hooks -mostly serious
 

Bill,

As far as I'm concerned Mustads work fine for me. The money spent for the
Japs hooks are way too much. All this high tech stuff really doesn't do
much, but put money in your pocket.

In my opinion. Like they say "You can fool some of the people some of the
time."


"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
. ..
Hi Gary,

Not to be disrespectful, but first, what is the year on your calendar? or
what state are you in? seriously now..................

I know that California is about 20 years ahead of some other states, but
my
customers quite buying the old Mustad hooks about 10 years
ago??????????????

I think the last year we had them, we sold 11 boxes totally. I sold Mustad
hooks sense 1965 and they died for us in the 1990s.

Ever hear of Japanese hooks? Hell, out here we can't even sell a fly if it
is not on a Japanese hook? Hell, all them tobacco chewen' bass guys use
Japanese hooks. The guys driften' roe on the coastal rivers have been
using
Japanese hooks for years too. I thought fly fisherman were suppose to be
more educated and real smart? Why would you use a hook that is produced
with
100 year old technology?

Sadly I watched those Japanese kick Mustad's and Eagle Claw's butts
because
they thought they had the US fly hook market. Now they are trying to play
catch up and I think it is too late.

Now this is the fly fishing customers in CA doing this if you are planning
on a big frontal attack.

I just am try to stay up with were it is going so I can be in business for
4
more years.

(this ought to be good)

duck, incoming..............

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"gary gilman" wrote in message
nk.net...

Is it just personal preferance between the 3906b and the 9671 mustads?
I'd
use them for nymphs.

Most I see are on the 9671's , but I like the looks of the bend on the
3906b's.

hooks -mostly serious
 

rw,

He is probably right......you don't need those hooks to catch fish or to be
a great fly fisher.

I actually did not refer to anything about the reality of catching fish with
these hooks, I was talking about the very serious matter of surviving in
today's market place in CA, not in the Ozarks or Stanley, ID.

Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...

Bill Kiene wrote:

Why would you use a hook that is produced with
100 year old technology?

Or a fly rod, for that matter. :-)

Fortenberry says that someone he knows, who is easily the best
flyfishman in Montana and New Zealand combined, only uses Mustad hooks
because the cheesy Japanese hooks are so weak that they bend and cause
pullouts. So that settles that. Please pay attention, Bill. :-)

hooks -mostly serious
 

Wow, BJ,

Sounds like something they would try at NASA? Did you wear a catcher's cup
and a crash helmet for that test?

I carry what people buy in CA. It happens to be mostly Japanese hooks for
the past ~20 years.

I guess you can blame Randall Kaufmann and Umpqua for promoting those dam
TMC hooks?
--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"B J Conner" wrote in message
...

The last time the hook subject came up here I took a dozen each of Timeco,
Mustad, Eagle Claw and some old Herters hooks and tested them. They were
all # 12 dry fly hooks. The test used a two lb cannon ball weigh, 2'0" of
30 lb steel leader material, I set the hook points in a piece of nylon
clamped to the edge of a table. The eyeys were pointed down over the edge
of
the table. Dropping the weight would make for a lound ping, a thud when
it
hit the floor and a straghtened out hook. Did not break one hook , they
all straightened out. I had pictures of all of them but there lost in the
harddrive at the moment.
I could try it again with a slow pull and develope a stress -strain type
diagram , but I sure the answere to hook pricing is that some people like
to pay more for some things
"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
. ..
Hi Gary,

Not to be disrespectful, but first, what is the year on your calendar?
or
what state are you in? seriously now..................

I know that California is about 20 years ahead of some other states, but
my
customers quite buying the old Mustad hooks about 10 years
ago??????????????

I think the last year we had them, we sold 11 boxes totally. I sold
Mustad
hooks sense 1965 and they died for us in the 1990s.

Ever hear of Japanese hooks? Hell, out here we can't even sell a fly if
it
is not on a Japanese hook? Hell, all them tobacco chewen' bass guys use
Japanese hooks. The guys driften' roe on the coastal rivers have been
using
Japanese hooks for years too. I thought fly fisherman were suppose to be
more educated and real smart? Why would you use a hook that is produced
with
100 year old technology?

Sadly I watched those Japanese kick Mustad's and Eagle Claw's butts
because
they thought they had the US fly hook market. Now they are trying to
play
catch up and I think it is too late.

Now this is the fly fishing customers in CA doing this if you are
planning
on a big frontal attack.

I just am try to stay up with were it is going so I can be in business
for
4
more years.

(this ought to be good)

duck, incoming..............

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"gary gilman" wrote in message
nk.net...

Is it just personal preferance between the 3906b and the 9671 mustads?
I'd
use them for nymphs.

Most I see are on the 9671's , but I like the looks of the bend on the
3906b's.