Why that sonofabitch...
 

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:09:16 -0800, "asadi"
wrote:


"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

Major reason for the huge healthcare costs

Look dude, opinions are like assholes so you and BJ are entitled to yours
but as someone once posted, you guys are not entitled to your own facts.

There's a myriad number of reasons that compound the issues regarding the
costs and access to health care services in this country but HMO's,
defensive medicine, and lawsuits are not a major player in the total
costs. And the average ER visit in my healthcare system and state is
signifcantly less than a grand and the effing quality is pretty damn good,
not perfect everywhere but much higher than being "ranked" #37.

Now back to your regulary scheduled whatever y'all want to call this.





Back when I was working...well, let's just say that when you see that
ambulance roll down the city street, it's a 90% sure thing somebody who has
never worked or paid taxes is going to the ER....

Uh-oh...

This has the potential not to end well...maybe an ambulance is needed...

R

john

Why that sonofabitch...
 

On Apr 2, 10:12*pm, wrote:

So, anyways, care to attempt to shoot down

No, not really, at least not here. I think you're being a little over
the top on Mrs. Edwards' quote at the same time I don't have much
faith in Mrs. Clinton's approach which Mrs. Edwards claims to endorse
nor have I much faith in Mr. McCain's "market" approach.

Those that despise the thought of government funded healthcare
conviently forget that the government pretty much drives the direction
and costs of health services in this country as the largest purchaser
of services already while those that want it often have don't
understand the adverse effect that they pay because the government is
the largest purchaser of healthcare.

The "market force" side ignores the reality that the traditional
market transaction does not occur in healthcare. There is a reason we
can't walk up to the local Walgren's counter and buy demerol.

This storm has been brewing since before Truman's universal health
coverage attempt was defeated in Congress and will continue to brew
just like social security and energy usage/supply. There's no reason
for the leaders, whoever and whatever party they belong to, to
actually lead.

Why that sonofabitch...
 

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:48:17 -0700 (PDT), Wayne Knight
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:12*pm, wrote:

So, anyways, care to attempt to shoot down

No, not really, at least not here. I think you're being a little over
the top on Mrs. Edwards' quote at the same time I don't have much
faith in Mrs. Clinton's approach which Mrs. Edwards claims to endorse
nor have I much faith in Mr. McCain's "market" approach.

Those that despise the thought of government funded healthcare
conviently forget that the government pretty much drives the direction
and costs of health services in this country as the largest purchaser
of services already while those that want it often have don't
understand the adverse effect that they pay because the government is
the largest purchaser of healthcare.

The "market force" side ignores the reality that the traditional
market transaction does not occur in healthcare. There is a reason we
can't walk up to the local Walgren's counter and buy demerol.

This storm has been brewing since before Truman's universal health
coverage attempt was defeated in Congress and will continue to brew
just like social security and energy usage/supply. There's no reason
for the leaders, whoever and whatever party they belong to, to
actually lead.

Um, well, since you didn't want to get into it...

TC,
R
....I mean, everything was all perfect when Bill was in the WH...

Why that sonofabitch...
 

On Apr 2, 10:56*pm, wrote:

...I mean, everything was all perfect when Bill was in the WH...

When did you become a Clinton supporter? ;)

Why that sonofabitch...
 

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT), Wayne Knight
wrote:

On Apr 2, 10:56*pm, wrote:

...I mean, everything was all perfect when Bill was in the WH...

When did you become a Clinton supporter? ;)

You insult me, sir! I think Hillary would make a fan-damned-tastic
prez...of Iran...

HTH,
R
....as I said, how much worse could it be...?

Why that sonofabitch...
 

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
. ..

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

Major reason for the huge healthcare costs

Look dude, opinions are like assholes so you and BJ are entitled to yours
but as someone once posted, you guys are not entitled to your own facts.

There's a myriad number of reasons that compound the issues regarding the
costs and access to health care services in this country but HMO's,
defensive medicine, and lawsuits are not a major player in the total
costs. And the average ER visit in my healthcare system and state is
signifcantly less than a grand and the effing quality is pretty damn good,
not perfect everywhere but much higher than being "ranked" #37.

Now back to your regulary scheduled whatever y'all want to call this.





Back when I was working...well, let's just say that when you see that
ambulance roll down the city street, it's a 90% sure thing somebody who has
never worked or paid taxes is going to the ER....

john

Why that sonofabitch...
 

On Apr 2, 8:15*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT), Wayne Knight

wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:56*pm, wrote:

...I mean, everything was all perfect when Bill was in the WH...

When did you become a Clinton supporter? ;)

You insult me, sir! *I think Hillary would make a fan-damned-tastic
prez...of Iran...

HTH,
R
...as I said, how much worse could it be...?



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Actually I think they may elect Bush as the next Prez of Iram. He has
earned it. After all he is responsible for vastly increasing the power
and influence of Iran in the World. He attacked and weakened the
Taliban, a sworn enemy of Iran. Bush then knocked out Saddam, another
major enemy of Iran, and then put a Sheite government friendly to Iran
in charge in Iraq for the first time in Iraq's history. Bush and his
Neo-clowns have done more to make things comfy for the Iranian right-
wingers and religous zelots than any Iranian politician could have.

Dave

Why that sonofabitch...
 

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 01:28:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 2, 8:15*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:01:38 -0700 (PDT), Wayne Knight

wrote:
On Apr 2, 10:56*pm, wrote:

...I mean, everything was all perfect when Bill was in the WH...

When did you become a Clinton supporter? ;)

You insult me, sir! *I think Hillary would make a fan-damned-tastic
prez...of Iran...

HTH,
R
...as I said, how much worse could it be...?



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Actually I think they may elect Bush as the next Prez of Iram. He has
earned it. After all he is responsible for vastly increasing the power
and influence of Iran in the World. He attacked and weakened the
Taliban, a sworn enemy of Iran. Bush then knocked out Saddam, another
major enemy of Iran, and then put a Sheite government friendly to Iran
in charge in Iraq for the first time in Iraq's history. Bush and his
Neo-clowns have done more to make things comfy for the Iranian right-
wingers and religous zelots than any Iranian politician could have.

OK, how? Provide some actual data, as opposed to unsupported
statements, that show that Iranian kooks, such as Ahmadinejad, have more
power "in the World" (or even in Iran) or are "comfy." I'm not talking
about press clippings that simply offer rhetoric about it, I'm talking
about actual data.

HTH,
R

Dave

Why that sonofabitch...
 

wrote in message
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...Provide some actual data....

Considering the source, these may be the funniest words ever posted to ROFF.

Wolfgang
or anywhere else, for that matter. :)

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Actually I think they may elect Bush as the next Prez of Iram. He has
earned it. After all he is responsible for vastly increasing the power
and influence of Iran in the World. He attacked and weakened the
Taliban, a sworn enemy of Iran. Bush then knocked out Saddam, another
major enemy of Iran, and then put a Sheite government friendly to Iran
in charge in Iraq for the first time in Iraq's history. Bush and his
Neo-clowns have done more to make things comfy for the Iranian right-
wingers and religous zelots than any Iranian politician could have.

OK, how? *Provide some actual data, as opposed to unsupported
statements, that show that Iranian kooks, such as Ahmadinejad, have more
power "in the World" (or even in Iran) or are "comfy." *I'm not talking
about press clippings that simply offer rhetoric about it, I'm talking
about actual data.

HTH,
R

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Assuming for a moment that you concede that the wars in Iraq,
deposition of Saddam, and the Taliban 1.) occurered, and 2.) that
these events helped Iran . . . . it is possible that you havn't
noticed the increased significance of Iran, so. . . . .

Well, let's see, Amadinejad did just recently make an invited State
visit to Bahgdad, or so the media would have us believe, and damn if
it didn't look like the Iraqis were cheering him. Seems the Sheite
Prez of Iraq (Our allies?) invited him, and he came, went thru the
streets with a minimal guard and said among other things that the US
should get out. Compared to Bush's scared pussy behaviour on his
recent visit I'd say the comparision was embarrassing. Of course the
video that the whole world saw might not be real.

Oh, and I'm probably naive to believe that the drubbing the Iranian
backed Hezbellah administered to the Israeli IDF in Lebonon, despite
all the cluster bomblets Bush rush shipped so the IDF could cover its
tail-between-the-legs retreat with explosives specifically designed to
be attractive to children. . . well I guess that whole fiasco was
designed to show how weak Iran is, and the Israeli inquiry is probably
a fake too. But to me it suggested that maybe our approaches in the
Middle East need some reconsideration. And that Hamas thingy in Gaza,
meaningless right?

Then there are the various deployments of US forces around Iran, Oh
and that ABM defence thingy. . . but these could just be pretending to
be there to counter growing Iranian power, right?

No Richard, your team has done much to remove Iran's enemies, enhance
Iran's friends, and weaken the opposition reformers and liberals
inside Iran. The ignorant American right-wing are Amadinejad's and the
right-wing mullahs best (and witless) supporters.

Face it Richard, the team you supported, actually the team the
electoral majority supported, has run our country right into the ditch
with its hatred of and incompetence in government, ignorance of the
World, arrogance, venality, and disrespect for the Constitution. It is
clear that one large cluster f--- has occurred and the Bush/Neo-clown
team is best put behind us asap. My guess is that most Americans want
to get on with the work of cleaning up the mess, and prosecuting the
theives and the criminals in the administration and their contractors.
(There is after all, $16 billion still missing.)

I think the best we can do now is to avoid the petty slanders of the
three candidates for what will be one of the toughest first terms ever
faced by an American President.

Dave
Ideology still sucks