Connetquot
 

On Sep 19, 10:25*am, wrote:


Yep. And more is at stake here. This is one of the Holy sites of the
founding of American sport fishing. It was the first sporting river
specifically managed as such by Obidiah Snedicor. This river and the
"Carmans" were also the location of the earliest attempts at trout
culture and stream enhancement. Socially it was an important meeting
place for National figures such as Daniel Webster, John Stephens
(Americas Cup), etc.. as New York emerged as the country's financial
capitol, post Civil War. Early depictions in Currier and Ives prints
document its significance, and Genio Scott speaks fondly of it in his
1888 book, Fishing in American Waters. That this habitat has survived
into modern times, within the heart of the Eastern megalopolis is a
wonder. It is important that the river be cleaned.

Dave

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On Sep 19, 1:00*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:

The hatchery is Park-run, not DEC run, and this has been an ongoing open
sore for two years. *I'll probably see the Director of Hatcheries at the
DEC tomorrow, and I'll try to get the lowdown. *I know that this has been
a pain for him for some time. *He's even gotten tons of nasty calls and
letters from sportsmen in neighboring states concerned that the effluent
from the hatchery goes out to the Atlantic. *Parks just wouldn't do what
they needed to do to clean things up, and it seems as if they've lost
their stocking permit because of it-- which push comes to shove, is the
DEC's only regulatory move in their playbook for a hatchery they don't
run.

--
Scott
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Since you are on the scene and have access to some of the players,
your suggestions on how, when and if, some of us far away might weigh
in, or not, will be much appreciated.

Dave

Connetquot
 

On Sep 19, 10:13*pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 1:00*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:





The hatchery is Park-run, not DEC run, and this has been an ongoing open
sore for two years. *I'll probably see the Director of Hatcheries at the
DEC tomorrow, and I'll try to get the lowdown. *I know that this has been
a pain for him for some time. *He's even gotten tons of nasty calls and
letters from sportsmen in neighboring states concerned that the effluent
from the hatchery goes out to the Atlantic. *Parks just wouldn't do what
they needed to do to clean things up, and it seems as if they've lost
their stocking permit because of it-- which push comes to shove, is the
DEC's only regulatory move in their playbook for a hatchery they don't
run.

--
Scott
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Since you are on the scene and have access to some of the players,
your suggestions on how, when and if, some of us far away might weigh
in, or not, will be much appreciated.

Dave

Don´t paint anybody with monkeys or diseased sheep.

HTH

Connetquot
 

On Sep 19, 5:04*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Scott Seidman quoted:

...
Richard Steinberger of Oakdale criticized "this ill-advised and Draconian
management 'solution.' Anglers will cease to pay $20 for four hours of
unproductive fishing, revenues to the park will diminish to a trickle,
and somebody in Albany is going to suggest the unthinkable: Change the
law which established the park preserve in order to address the revenue
shortfall by enhancing 'mixed use' recreation: picnic tables, barbecue
pits, ballfields or even, God forbid, yet another golf course."

Sounds like Tim Walker. ;-)

Fore !

--
Ken Fortenberry

Forty! ( Take cover, here comes a shower of ****e!).

Connetquot
 

On Sep 19, 5:19*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:04:11 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
Scott Seidman quoted:
...
Richard Steinberger of Oakdale criticized "this ill-advised and Draconian
management 'solution.' Anglers will cease to pay $20 for four hours of
unproductive fishing, revenues to the park will diminish to a trickle,
and somebody in Albany is going to suggest the unthinkable: Change the
law which established the park preserve in order to address the revenue
shortfall by enhancing 'mixed use' recreation: picnic tables, barbecue
pits, ballfields or even, God forbid, yet another golf course."

Sounds like Tim Walker. ;-)

Fore !

Assuming this is "public" land...

Yeah, who do those "public" *******s think they are, wanting to use
"their" land for what they want instead of fishing...

Sheesh,
R

Just like the mother****ers on public newsgroups who want to misuse
the groups for other things, like politics, general ****e, denigrating
and insulting others, behaving like an asswipe, and generally being a
****.

Connetquot
 

On Sep 19, 5:28*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Scott Seidman quoted:
...
Richard Steinberger of Oakdale criticized "this ill-advised and Draconian
management 'solution.' Anglers will cease to pay $20 for four hours of
unproductive fishing, revenues to the park will diminish to a trickle,
and somebody in Albany is going to suggest the unthinkable: Change the
law which established the park preserve in order to address the revenue
shortfall by enhancing 'mixed use' recreation: picnic tables, barbecue
pits, ballfields or even, God forbid, yet another golf course."
Sounds like Tim Walker. ;-)

Fore !

Assuming this is "public" land...

Yeah, who do those "public" *******s think they are, wanting to use
"their" land for what they want instead of fishing...

Damn straight, if it's "public land" the public oughta be able
to build whatever the hell they want on it. Golf courses, condos,
strip malls, massage parlors, hell, why not a nuclear waste dump ?
The dump would bring in some much needed cash and when the trout
return they'll glow in the dark ! It's a win-win baby !

--
Ken Fortenberry

Railway stations where you can meet your homo friends?

Connetquot
 

On Sep 19, 6:43*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Scott Seidman quoted:
...
Richard Steinberger of Oakdale criticized "this ill-advised and Draconian
management 'solution.' Anglers will cease to pay $20 for four hours of
unproductive fishing, revenues to the park will diminish to a trickle,
and somebody in Albany is going to suggest the unthinkable: Change the
law which established the park preserve in order to address the revenue
shortfall by enhancing 'mixed use' recreation: picnic tables, barbecue
pits, ballfields or even, God forbid, yet another golf course."
Sounds like Tim Walker. ;-)

Fore !
Assuming this is "public" land...

Yeah, who do those "public" *******s think they are, wanting to use
"their" land for what they want instead of fishing...
Damn straight, if it's "public land" the public oughta be able
to build whatever the hell they want on it. Golf courses, condos,
strip malls, massage parlors, hell, why not a nuclear waste dump ?

I wasn't suggesting commercial use, but yeah, if the public wants to
sell their land, or develop it and take the risks with the rewards, why
should they not have the same right as any, you know, normal ol'
landowner...?

That's silly. Followed to its logical conclusion there would be
no public land.

There's nothing wrong with designating public land fly fishing
only, or XC skiing only, or ATVs only, or god forbid, snowmobile
trails. There are many uses of public lands and not all of them
are compatible with each other. I don't want some motorhead maniac
driving his ATV through a stream I'm fishing and I'm sure the
motorhead maniacs don't want a bunch of mountain bikers clogging
up their trails.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Nobody wants nasty ****s like you clogging up their newsgroup, but it
doesn´t stop you doing so you lying sack of poisonous ****e.

Connetquot
 

On Sep 19, 8:38*pm, wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:25*am, wrote:

Yep. And more is at stake here. This is one of the Holy sites of the
founding of American sport fishing. It was the first sporting river
specifically managed as such by Obidiah Snedicor. This river and the
"Carmans" were also the location of the earliest attempts at trout
culture and stream enhancement. Socially it was an important meeting
place for National figures such as Daniel Webster, John Stephens
(Americas Cup), etc.. as New York emerged as the country's financial
capitol, post Civil War. Early depictions in Currier and Ives prints
document its significance, and Genio Scott speaks fondly of it in his
1888 book, Fishing in American Waters. That this habitat has survived
into modern times, within the heart of the Eastern megalopolis is a
wonder. It is important that the river be cleaned.

Dave

Now what would you know about sport fishing? Aren´t you the resident
monkey and sheep shagging expert?

ON TOPIC: Connetquot River Cleanup , New York
 

On Sep 19, 1:00*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Scott
What ever did you find out?
Dave