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Mike Connor December 20th, 2003 06:26 PM

Reels
 

"Greg Pavlov" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
I don't know exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but
maybe you can reduce the overall effort by using a ready-
made spool for one of the commercial reels.


I am not sure what you mean.

Assuming you mistyped something or other; There are no commercial spools
available in titanium, most are magnesium alloy. The carbon fibre spools
are not modifiable to my liking. The commercial cages available are
expensive, and also not easily modifiable.

My ideas for the cage etc, would preclude the use of such a spool or cage,
even if they were available.

I could simply buy some expensive reel or other, and it would doubtless be
adequate for the job, but that is not what I want to do. I want to try out
some ideas, and still have a usable reel at the end.

TL
MC




rw December 20th, 2003 07:55 PM

Reels
 
Mike Connor wrote:

I could simply buy some expensive reel or other, and it would doubtless be
adequate for the job, but that is not what I want to do. I want to try out
some ideas, and still have a usable reel at the end.


On paper, titanium should be the ideal material for a fly reel. For the
same stength as steel, a titanium reel would be much lighter (and
corrosion resistant). It's an amazing metal. If you have the means to
fabricate such a reel, it could be a fascinating exercise.

Just don't use it on a bamboo rod. :-)

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Dave December 22nd, 2003 10:54 AM

Reels
 
Mike Connor wrote:

"rw" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
link.net...

http://www.supraalloys.com/Machining_titanium.htm

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First class! Thanks!

Unfortunately, the alloy I have is an airframe grade alloy, and I do not
know its specific properties, but this site will be of great help
nevertheless. Perhaps I can find out the properties of the stuff somewhere.


If its airframe grade, its probably a 6Al/4V (aluminum/vanadium) mix, which I
would think would be better than the "normal" 3/2.5 mix. BTW, I don't really
know what I'm talking about... my knowledge of titanium comes from the bicycle
industry.

- Dave


Mike Connor December 22nd, 2003 12:14 PM

Reels
 

"Dave" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
SNIP.

If its airframe grade, its probably a 6Al/4V (aluminum/vanadium) mix,

which I
would think would be better than the "normal" 3/2.5 mix. BTW, I don't

really
know what I'm talking about... my knowledge of titanium comes from the

bicycle
industry.

- Dave


It is airframe grade. But there are various specs here, and I am not sure
about the stuff I have. In actual fact, the pieces I have are waste bits
from Airbus fuselage construction etc. It is extremely tough, I already
ruined one WC ( Tungsten carbide), and two ceramic sineter cutters on it.
Need tools with a different cutting angle etc. I will get back to it after
Christmas. Too busy with other things right now.

Thanks for the input though, any and all info is welcome.

TL
MC



Wolfgang December 22nd, 2003 12:47 PM

Reels
 

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Dave" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
SNIP.

If its airframe grade, its probably a 6Al/4V (aluminum/vanadium) mix,

which I
would think would be better than the "normal" 3/2.5 mix. BTW, I don't

really
know what I'm talking about... my knowledge of titanium comes from the

bicycle
industry.

- Dave


It is airframe grade. But there are various specs here, and I am not sure
about the stuff I have. In actual fact, the pieces I have are waste bits
from Airbus fuselage construction etc. It is extremely tough, I already
ruined one WC ( Tungsten carbide), and two ceramic sineter cutters on it.
Need tools with a different cutting angle etc. I will get back to it

after
Christmas. Too busy with other things right now.

Thanks for the input though, any and all info is welcome.


"Machinery's Handbook" used to be an excellent source of information on
machining as well as virtually all other matters mechanical. It's been
twenty years since I used it, and I had no reason to be interested in
titanium at the time, so I have no idea if it will be of any help.....but
it's probably worth a look. Last time I glanced at a copy though, it was
selling for about $80. At any rate, you can find it at:

http://www.industrialpress.com/default.asp

Scanning the Industrial Press catalog, it looks like they have some other
titles that may be of interest.

Good luck.

Wolfgang



Sandy December 22nd, 2003 01:13 PM

Reels
 
Mike Connor wrote:
"Dave" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
SNIP.

If its airframe grade, its probably a 6Al/4V (aluminum/vanadium)
mix, which I would think would be better than the "normal" 3/2.5
mix. BTW, I don't really know what I'm talking about... my
knowledge of titanium comes from the bicycle industry.

- Dave


It is airframe grade. But there are various specs here, and I am not
sure about the stuff I have. In actual fact, the pieces I have are
waste bits from Airbus fuselage construction etc. It is extremely
tough, I already ruined one WC ( Tungsten carbide), and two ceramic
sineter cutters on it. Need tools with a different cutting angle etc.
I will get back to it after Christmas. Too busy with other things
right now.

Thanks for the input though, any and all info is welcome.

TL
MC


If you scroll down to Electron Beam Welding (EBW) there is a bit about
titanium used in the aircraft industry there and it mentions the Airbus.

http://lyre.mit.edu/~pat/Publication.../2000spain.pdf


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Mike Connor December 22nd, 2003 04:11 PM

Reels
 

"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
SNIP
http://www.industrialpress.com/default.asp

Scanning the Industrial Press catalog, it looks like they have some other
titles that may be of interest.

Good luck.

Wolfgang



Thanks, I will have a look. I do have quite a bit of stuff on machining
etc. I earned my living at it for quite a long time. Unfortunately, there is
very little about titanium in there, and what there is, is too general for
my specific purposes.

Although I have nothing in principle against extending my small library, I
donīt want to spend a fortune on books, just to be able to build a couple of
one-off projects. I was hoping to find something specific on the net. I can
still resort to trial and error, coupled with a little knowledge, but past
experience suggests that this is not usually the best way to go.

TL
MC



Mike Connor December 22nd, 2003 04:14 PM

Reels
 

"Sandy" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

If you scroll down to Electron Beam Welding (EBW) there is a bit about
titanium used in the aircraft industry there and it mentions the Airbus.

http://lyre.mit.edu/~pat/Publication.../2000spain.pdf


Actually, I worked on the airbus for quite a while, and I worked quite a bit
with titanium. Unfortunately not machining it in the fashion I envisage
necessary for building fishing reels!

Thanks for the info though.

TL
MC




Sandy December 22nd, 2003 04:56 PM

Reels
 
Mike Connor wrote:
"Sandy" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

If you scroll down to Electron Beam Welding (EBW) there is a bit
about titanium used in the aircraft industry there and it mentions
the Airbus.

http://lyre.mit.edu/~pat/Publication.../2000spain.pdf


Actually, I worked on the airbus for quite a while, and I worked
quite a bit with titanium. Unfortunately not machining it in the
fashion I envisage necessary for building fishing reels!

Thanks for the info though.

TL
MC


I haven't done any machining for a long time and even at that it was only as
when needed and the engineers were too busy.

I found these sites if you haven't already got them.

http://www.supraalloys.com/Machining_titanium.htm

http://www.titanium.com/tech_manual/tech2.cfm

http://astro.umsystem.edu/atm/ARCHIV.../msg00881.html

http://www.rti-intl.com/tag/machine.htm



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Mike Connor December 22nd, 2003 04:56 PM

Reels
 

"Sandy" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
SNIP
I haven't done any machining for a long time and even at that it was only

as
when needed and the engineers were too busy.

I found these sites if you haven't already got them.

http://www.supraalloys.com/Machining_titanium.htm

http://www.titanium.com/tech_manual/tech2.cfm

http://astro.umsystem.edu/atm/ARCHIV.../msg00881.html

http://www.rti-intl.com/tag/machine.htm





Thanks! All grist for the mill!

TL
MC




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