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Wayne Knight January 12th, 2010 12:21 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
On Jan 11, 1:28*am, DaveS wrote:
Notice: In the interests of fighting that dreaded killer, cabin fever,
we make this post as a public service.

What would be your recommendations for say a 9', 5-6 weight general
purpose Western combination with a budget of about $1000?

What would be your recommendations for say a 9', 5-6 weight general
purpose Eastern combination with a budget of about $1000?


I am going to change your rod length to 8'6". For both waters it would
be the Winston WT series 5wt. Line would be a Wulff TT 5WF out west or
the RIO Selective Trout 5DT east of the Rockies. Reel Choice would
also be different, Western waters would use the Hatch #5 while east of
the Rockies it would be the Abel TR2, Abel Creek LA II, or a good old
Hardy JLH if I could find one.

Frank Reid © 2008 January 12th, 2010 01:02 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
On Jan 12, 6:16*am, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Jan 11, 9:27*pm, Giles wrote:

Seriously, how many of you think that you could accurately identify
even your favorite component or combination consistently by feel and/
or results alone when interspersed among others?


Given that same challenge last May, I did.


Interesting enough, a study at the University of Montana in
biomechanics found that only 12 to 20 percent of your casting stroke
acuracy and distance comes from the rod. The rest is form and, for a
very minor part, streghth. Its a study that most rod manufacturers
don't want out for obvious reasons.
Frank Reid
(who thinks that the best outfit for under 1K could be found by
slippin' into a certain gear whore's garage late at night)

jeff January 12th, 2010 02:20 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
Giles wrote:
On Jan 11, 5:30 pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:28 am, DaveS wrote:

Notice: In the interests of fighting that dreaded killer, cabin fever,
we make this post as a public service.
What would be your recommendations for say a 9', 5-6 weight general
purpose Western combination with a budget of about $1000?
What would be your recommendations for say a 9', 5-6 weight general
purpose Eastern combination with a budget of about $1000?

Am I the only plebian in ROFF?

I wouldn't dream of spending $1K on rod-reel-line [ except, perhaps,
if I were one of those dilettantes pursuing billfish offshore ].

Once I get above ......... 150 or so, I can't tell the difference in
good vs. bad. Differences in types, flex, stiff,
etc.......yeah........but, other than externals, such as trim, it is
beyond my capability of detection.

For reels, if it has a smooth, reliable drag......what else counts?

Lines: floats, shoots, and lasts......what else?

Same for wine, for me.....

Now.......single malt.....AHA, I can taste that OK.

But then, my daily driver is a '79 MGB.......and I sneer at Miata
pussies.

cheers

oz, rapidly becoming hillbilly-ized


All of which makes a boy wonder.....

I've fished with a goodly number of the regular contributors here (as
well as with many other folks) and have often been impressed by the
level of mastery displayed by a high percentage of them. And I think
that most of them would grant me (however grudgingly in some cases) a
run of the mill competence as well. What I know for sure (and I
suspect that most would agree) is that there is no way in hell I could
identify any particular brand (let alone model or size) of fly rod,
reel, line, leader, tippet or connector in a blind test (not as absurd
a proposition as it might sound to those who have never fished the hex
hatch here in the upper Great Lakes region).

Seriously, how many of you think that you could accurately identify
even your favorite component or combination consistently by feel and/
or results alone when interspersed among others?

giles
who has, over the course of half a century or so, owned copies of well
over a dozen editions of huckleberry finn and can attest that between
the covers the differences don't amount to half a small hill of ****.


the only rods i can identify by feel are the broken ones...

jeff

MajorOz January 12th, 2010 04:40 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
On Jan 12, 8:20*am, jeff wrote:
Giles wrote:
On Jan 11, 5:30 pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 11, 12:28 am, DaveS wrote:


Notice: In the interests of fighting that dreaded killer, cabin fever,
we make this post as a public service.
What would be your recommendations for say a 9', 5-6 weight general
purpose Western combination with a budget of about $1000?
What would be your recommendations for say a 9', 5-6 weight general
purpose Eastern combination with a budget of about $1000?
Am I the only plebian in ROFF?


I wouldn't dream of spending $1K on rod-reel-line [ except, perhaps,
if I were one of those dilettantes pursuing billfish offshore ].


Once I get above ......... 150 or so, I can't tell the difference in
good vs. bad. *Differences in types, flex, stiff,
etc.......yeah........but, other than externals, such as trim, it is
beyond my capability of detection.


For reels, if it has a smooth, reliable drag......what else counts?


Lines: *floats, shoots, and lasts......what else?


Same for wine, for me.....


Now.......single malt.....AHA, I can taste that OK.


But then, my daily driver is a '79 MGB.......and I sneer at Miata
pussies.


cheers


oz, rapidly becoming hillbilly-ized


All of which makes a boy wonder.....


I've fished with a goodly number of the regular contributors here (as
well as with many other folks) and have often been impressed by the
level of mastery displayed by a high percentage of them. * And I think
that most of them would grant me (however grudgingly in some cases) a
run of the mill competence as well. *What I know for sure (and I
suspect that most would agree) is that there is no way in hell I could
identify any particular brand (let alone model or size) of fly rod,
reel, line, leader, tippet or connector in a blind test (not as absurd
a proposition as it might sound to those who have never fished the hex
hatch here in the upper Great Lakes region).


Seriously, how many of you think that you could accurately identify
even your favorite component or combination consistently by feel and/
or results alone when interspersed among others?


giles
who has, over the course of half a century or so, owned copies of well
over a dozen editions of huckleberry finn and can attest that between
the covers the differences don't amount to half a small hill of ****.


the only rods i can identify by feel are the broken ones...

jeff


....had a girlfriend once who made a similar statement.

cheers

oz, luckily not about me...at the time

Wayne Harrison January 12th, 2010 04:52 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 

"MajorOz" wrote

My best rod was a 6 1/2 ft. glass Phillipson -- soft as silk, and
could cast amazing distances with 1970's lines. [ useless for
steelhead, of course, and scared the **** out of me when I got into a
big dolly on the upper Selway ]

Glad we have choices.

wow. i had a little 6 foot or so phillipson in the late seventies,
which i used (like an idiot) on hazel creek, a fairly good sized piece of
water in the smokies. but it was a smooth little thing, indeed. small
world, eh?

yfitons
wayno

cheers

oz



Wayne Harrison January 12th, 2010 05:00 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 

"Giles" wrote

Seriously, how
many of you think that you could accurately identify
even your favorite component or combination consistently by feel and/
or results alone when interspersed among others?

i am 100% sure that i could identify my scott 9' when compared with a
sage of the same length and line size.
telling the difference between a willow branch and a telephone pole is
not very demanding...

otoh, picking the same scott from a collection of, say, thomas & thomas,
orvis from the img days. llbean, winston--now that might get dicey.

yfitons
wayno



Ken Fortenberry January 12th, 2010 05:13 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Giles" wrote
Seriously, how
many of you think that you could accurately identify
even your favorite component or combination consistently by feel and/
or results alone when interspersed among others?

i am 100% sure that i could identify my scott 9' when compared with a
sage of the same length and line size.


I could identify my Winston 7'6" 3wt instantly compared to anything
else you wanted to put in my hand. Well, except perhaps another 7'6"
3wt Winston of the same era. And identifying a Hardy reel requires
nothing more than stripping off a little fly line. *Nothing* sounds
like a vintage Hardy.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Larry L[_2_] January 12th, 2010 09:46 PM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
On Jan 12, 5:02*am, Frank Reid © 2008 wrote:


Interesting enough, a study at the University of Montana in
biomechanics found that only 12 to 20 percent of your casting stroke
acuracy and distance comes from the rod. *The rest is form and, for a
very minor part, streghth. *Its a study that most rod manufacturers
don't want out for obvious reasons.
Frank Reid



I've found that MY accuracy and distance tend to top out at just about
the same level regardless of what stick I'm using ( within a size ), a
fact that supports the study. It takes a bit of practice after
changing rods to reach MY limits, but they don't vary all that much
once reached. I've posted before that I own too many rods and the
guilt produced 'need' to switch around actually decreases my catch,
I'm sure, because of the adjustment time lost to lowered limits
( especially accuracy )


The older I get the faster action I'm liking ... I think this is
mainly a 'fishing' thing as opposed to a casting one ... I no longer
care to wax poetic about the graceful flow of line, just get the damn
fly back out there G

Giles January 13th, 2010 03:06 AM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
On Jan 12, 6:16*am, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Jan 11, 9:27*pm, Giles wrote:

Seriously, how many of you think that you could accurately identify
even your favorite component or combination consistently by feel and/
or results alone when interspersed among others?


Given that same challenge last May, I did.


Interesting. How was the test conducted?

giles

Giles January 13th, 2010 03:14 AM

Best Rod/Reel/Line for $1000 ?
 
On Jan 11, 9:21*pm, sgr wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:43:31 -0800 (PST), Giles
wrote:

How little and how much east of Hawaii?


West Coast through the Rockies.


Oh. That's pretty far west of Viroqua. Wouldn't know much about
that.

g.


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