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Chas,

On FlyAnglersOnline's bulletin board, there has been an extensive discussion
pro and con about the Common Cents System. I looked yesterday and it
attracted about 61 responses in a couple of days.

You may want to check that out.

-John

"Chas Wade" wrote in message
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"Mike Connor" wrote:
You can find all the relevant data here;

http://www.rodbuilding.org/search.ph...&globalsearch=
0&match=1&date=0&fldsubject=1

A nice collection of info here, thanks for your help.

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"Mike Connor" wrote:

"Chas Wade" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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The long rod I used to have, a 10 foot rod, was
a bit harder to deal wiuth without over bending the rod while landing
the fish. I was thinking the shorter rod would be easier at that
point. You've got me rethinking that part too.

Chas

If you are standing, then the rod length is not a problem as far as
casting
goes, but it is then even more advantageous to have a longer rod for
boating
the fish.

Mind you, in such a case, I would not normally go over 9´6" as longer
rods
are much harder to wield. ( its not the weight, but the leverage!).
Indeed,
I would normally stick with a nine footer.

The shorter the rod, the more problems you get with "over bending" etc,
although this is not at all obvious until you actually try it. I have
seen
people with short rods having to lie down on the boat to land a fish.
Also
the shorter the rod, the shorter the line to the fish in the final
stages.
Pike especially will often lunge away, or under the boat with a final
surge.
With a short rod you have no chance!

At one time I tried short ( bait tackle) rods for boat fishing for
pike,
thinking mainly that it would be an advantage for various reasons. I
gave
up very quickly indeed! :) But not before I lost a few fish!

What I would definitely advise, whatever else you do, is a long
handled and
generously sized landing net!


Well, Mike, I'm glad I posted this one. I think you're a few years
ahead of me, I was about to try the same experiment you did, and I
imagine I'd get the same disapointing result.

Thanks again for your help,

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Charlie Choc wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2004 04:20:25 GMT, Chas Wade
wrote:

Anybody know a manufacturer that makes short strong rods?

Scott used to make 8'8" HeliPly rods for sal****er. I have an 8wt and
really like it. Here's some ad copy describing them:
http://www.avidangler.com/Goods/Rods...liply_rods.htm
--
Charlie...

Those look like good rods, but 8'8" isn't all that short. A friend was
telling me about Lee Wulff catching Atlantic Salmon on 6 foot rods with
midges. He also said Wulff claimed to be able to cast a very long line
with these short rods.

I've decided I'm going to hand fit internal ferules to the broken
pieces of my trusty Sage RPLX 8wt and come up with something under 7
feet long to play with. Don't misunderstand, I had bought a blank, and
Sage returns the broken pieses with the new blank when I send it back
to them. They are great about service, it's just that I think I now
have a use for the scraps.

I'll post the results after I try the rod.

Thanks

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:30:52 GMT, Chas Wade
wrote:

A friend was
telling me about Lee Wulff catching Atlantic Salmon on 6 foot rods with
midges. He also said Wulff claimed to be able to cast a very long line
with these short rods.

I've seen Lefty Kreh cast an entire line with just the tip section of
a 4 pc rod, so I can believe that. I have a 5'6" 2wt and it is fun to
fish as long as you don't have to do much mending or pick up much line
off the water quickly.
--
Charlie...

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"Chas Wade" wrote...
Charlie Choc wrote:
Chas Wade wrote:

Anybody know a manufacturer that makes short strong rods?

Scott used to make 8'8" HeliPly rods for sal****er. I have an 8wt and
really like it. Here's some ad copy describing them:
http://www.avidangler.com/Goods/Rods...liply_rods.htm
--
Charlie...

Those look like good rods, but 8'8" isn't all that short. A friend was
telling me about Lee Wulff catching Atlantic Salmon on 6 foot rods with
midges. He also said Wulff claimed to be able to cast a very long line
with these short rods.

I can't vouch for the castability (?) of the rod, but the Wulff rod I inherited
was a 7.5' 8wt, which I thought to be a very odd length.
--
TL,
Tim
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Charlie Choc wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:30:52 GMT, Chas Wade
wrote:

A friend was
telling me about Lee Wulff catching Atlantic Salmon on 6 foot rods
with
midges. He also said Wulff claimed to be able to cast a very long
line
with these short rods.

I've seen Lefty Kreh cast an entire line with just the tip section of
a 4 pc rod, so I can believe that. I have a 5'6" 2wt and it is fun to
fish as long as you don't have to do much mending or pick up much line
off the water quickly.
--

Somehow your note reminded me of the shortest rod I've tried to fish
with. It was a trip past Holden Lake on the way to climbing Bonanza
Peak in the North Cascades. For some reason I left the rod behind in
the car, but brought the reel and flies. The fish were rising, and I
managed to cast to them without a rod, possibly as far as 20 feet, it
was years ago and I'm not sure. The problem was that I couldn't get
the hook set, and the one fish I managed to hook came off immediately
because I couldn't keep the line tight.

As I think about it now, casting is the function that least depends on
the length of the rod. Managing the line on the water, and managing
the fish once hooked are the parts that most need a rod.

Thanks,

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"Chas Wade" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Well, Mike, I'm glad I posted this one. I think you're a few years
ahead of me, I was about to try the same experiment you did, and I
imagine I'd get the same disapointing result.

Thanks again for your help,


My pleasure, glad to be of help if I can.

Much of the rod question is of course a matter of personal taste. For
spinning, ( throwing plugs, iron, etc) I actually usually preferred shorter
rods, but not in a boat. One simply does not have enough control. I now
rarely use rods less than nine feet long for anything much at all, although
I still have a couple.

When fishing in the ocean for things like Cod etc, in deep water ( no
casting!), then I still prefer very short rods. I have a couple of IGFA 12
and 20 lb class boat rods which are only six feet long. This is because one
spends most of one´s time pumping up heavy fish, and a long rod is then a
disadvantage. The fish have too much leverage, and this really puts
excessive pressure on one´s muscles. Even with a short rod, one still tends
to have aching muscles after a successful trip.

TL
MC

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 11:31:50 -0400, Greg Pavlov
wrote:

On Wed, 5 May 2004 10:16:55 +0200, "Mike Connor"
wrote:

Also,
when boating a fish, a longer rod has considerable advantages. Many people I
know use rods of 10 ft and longer from a boat, for this precise reason.


I don't know why this would be the case. I've spent
a lot of time spin fishing for salmonids from boats
and have used rods from 6.5 to 11 feet long. The most
all-around practical length, for me anyway, seems to
be around 7.5 feet. For flyfishing heavier flies I
think that around 9.5 is "ideal" in that it would be
the best compromise between trying to keep flies in
the air and other practical matters such as dealing
with a fish boat-side (then again, if I follow my
usual practice of catching as few fish on the fly as
possible to minimize hassles, I guess that aspect
doesn't matter as much...)


What was the total length of that Daiwa that you used to land that
nice pike at Byng?

http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/byng-3.jpg

Just in case you forgot that you do occasionally boat fish . . . .




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G.Loomis has made some 8' #9 weight rods for fishing in the mangroves.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Chas Wade" wrote in message
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I've been hearing about some advantages to short rods, and I'm
wondering if anyone has experience with 6 to 7 foot rods rated for 8 to
10 wt lines. I'm thinking about fishing from a boat for pike, bass,
snook, and the like. The flies will mostly be large, and the retrieve
will often be fast, and will seldom involve any kind of mending.

I'm considering buying a 4 piece blank and using the top three pieces
to build the short rod. What weight 9 foot rod would become an 8 wt 7
foot 3 piece rod? How would I go about calculating that sort of thing?

Anybody know a manufacturer that makes short strong rods?

Thanks in advance,

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"Bill Kiene" wrote:
G.Loomis has made some 8' #9 weight rods for fishing in the mangroves.

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Thanks Bill, I saw that on their website, and I need to cast one.

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