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fish.iddx.net wrote:
The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook.


--
Bill Kiene


What do you mean by dull?

Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad for
example?


I believe that chemically sharpened hooks are sharper than mechanically
sharpened ones. Although Mustad's more expensive hooks are chemically
sharpened, the Mustad 34007 is mechanically sharpened.

Willi

mustad 34007
 

"THOMAS SCHREIBER" wrote in
:

The thing is, Tiemco 811S(12 hooks a pack) cost about 1.50$ MORE(!!!)
than the Mustad 34007(25 hooks a pack), and in the only difference is
the color. They're both stainless. If i can get more for less, im
gonne do it. :o)




The 34007s often require a touch up with a hook hone out of the pack.
The Signature series, Karmagutsu, Targus and the odd Tiemco I've used,
don't.

The 34007 has its place, I still use it a lot, just be aware of the
shortcomings.


Steve

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"fish.iddx.net" wrote in message
...

What do you mean by dull?

Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad
for
example?


Every Tiemco hook I've bought, was by far sharper than any Mustad hook. Buy
a pack and compare for yourself. You'll be surprised at what you've been
missing.

mustad 34007
 

Willi,
What is the source for your information that the 34007 is mechanically
sharpened?

thanks, JFK.

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fish.iddx.net wrote:
The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook.


--
Bill Kiene


What do you mean by dull?

Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad
for
example?


I believe that chemically sharpened hooks are sharper than mechanically
sharpened ones. Although Mustad's more expensive hooks are chemically
sharpened, the Mustad 34007 is mechanically sharpened.

Willi

mustad 34007
 

I mistated my question above.
Apparently "chemically sharpening" is a plating process, perhaps similar to
electoplating. I cannot find out much about it on the internet. All hooks
are rasonable sharp when originally ground, but "chemically sharpening"
defines the edges better, and makes it sharper. This extra sharpening is
rapidly lost in salt water, perhaps as the salt dissolves the plating.
Neither the Teimco nor the Mustad stainless steels hooks are "chemically
sharpened". Both are unplated stainless steel. Tiemco on their web page
states that the process of making stainless hooks precludes chemical
sharpening.

My question was "what evidence do you have to state tht Tiemco stainless
steel hooks are sharpened differntly than the 34007?

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fish.iddx.net wrote:
The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook.


--
Bill Kiene


What do you mean by dull?

Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad
for
example?


I believe that chemically sharpened hooks are sharper than mechanically
sharpened ones. Although Mustad's more expensive hooks are chemically
sharpened, the Mustad 34007 is mechanically sharpened.

Willi

mustad 34007
 

Sierra fisher wrote:

Willi,
What is the source for your information that the 34007 is mechanically
sharpened?

thanks, JFK.


I'm not sure. Just something I "know." In the late 80's or 90's Mustad
introduced their line of chemically sharpened hooks, I think they were
the 8000 series. They didn't change the way they sharpened their
standard fly hooks.

You taught me something about stainless hooks. I didn't realize
they couldn't be chemically sharpened.

Willi

mustad 34007
 

I know just enough about hooks to be dangerous. However I also "know" some
things that I picked up over the years that I think are worth throwing out
to see if someone can punch holes in them
All hooks are sharp when they are first ground. It doesn't take any great
equipment, techniques or expense to grind a sharp hook.
Many hooks are dulled by the old "dip and dry" method of plating hooks. To
sharpen these hooks, all you had to do was remove the plating material and
get back to the ground surface..
The new "chemical sharpening" method plates the hook, and not only doesn't
dull it, it increases its sharpness.
This increase in sharpness is only temporary. It wears off with use. It
wears off very quickly in sal****er.
Some beleive that if re-sharpen these hooks after use, the hook that was not
chemicallly sharpened, will sharpen better.



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Sierra fisher wrote:

Willi,
What is the source for your information that the 34007 is mechanically
sharpened?

thanks, JFK.


I'm not sure. Just something I "know." In the late 80's or 90's Mustad
introduced their line of chemically sharpened hooks, I think they were
the 8000 series. They didn't change the way they sharpened their
standard fly hooks.

You taught me something about stainless hooks. I didn't realize
they couldn't be chemically sharpened.

Willi

mustad 34007
 

I though chemical sharping was an acid dip, It used to be common to
"sharpen" files by dipping them in sulphuric acid. Now it's cheaper to
buy a new file and throw away the old one.
"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
...
I mistated my question above.
Apparently "chemically sharpening" is a plating process, perhaps similar
to
electoplating. I cannot find out much about it on the internet. All
hooks
are rasonable sharp when originally ground, but "chemically sharpening"
defines the edges better, and makes it sharper. This extra sharpening is
rapidly lost in salt water, perhaps as the salt dissolves the plating.
Neither the Teimco nor the Mustad stainless steels hooks are "chemically
sharpened". Both are unplated stainless steel. Tiemco on their web page
states that the process of making stainless hooks precludes chemical
sharpening.

My question was "what evidence do you have to state tht Tiemco stainless
steel hooks are sharpened differntly than the 34007?

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fish.iddx.net wrote:
The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull
hook.


--
Bill Kiene


What do you mean by dull?

Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than
Mustad
for
example?


I believe that chemically sharpened hooks are sharper than mechanically
sharpened ones. Although Mustad's more expensive hooks are chemically
sharpened, the Mustad 34007 is mechanically sharpened.

Willi

mustad 34007
 

Hooked:
Every Tiemco hook I've bought, was by far sharper than any Mustad hook. Buy
a pack and compare for yourself. You'll be surprised at what you've been
missing.

I'm sure that your post is based upon careful observation. I have noted
that Tiemco hooks appear to be sharper, too. However, I can afford to tie
more flies if I buy Mustad hooks and sharpen them than if I buy Tiemco or
the other Japanese lines.

I've had no bad experience with Mustad but have had a several Japanese hooks
break in use. That, combined with their higher cost per hook keeps me
firmly in the Mustad camp despite their limitations.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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"slenon" wrote in message
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I'm sure that your post is based upon careful observation. I have noted
that Tiemco hooks appear to be sharper, too. However, I can afford to tie
more flies if I buy Mustad hooks and sharpen them than if I buy Tiemco or
the other Japanese lines.

I've had no bad experience with Mustad but have had a several Japanese
hooks
break in use. That, combined with their higher cost per hook keeps me
firmly in the Mustad camp despite their limitations.


I've had a couple Tiemco's break in the vise after applying way too much
pressure using Kevlar thread, and a couple break while mashing down the
barb. Now I rarely use Kevlar, and I've learned the proper way to mash a
barb. For my money, I prefer the Tiemco's over Mustad because I know a
Tiemco will be sharp and I can't see well enough to sharpen every Mustad I
take out of the package.