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"riverman" wrote in message ...

Well yeah, that's obvious.

No worries -- if you can't make jokes and laugh about life,
you're doomed...in our house, gimp is a PC word...

So Jonathon: were the 'logistical difficulties'
managable?

Yeah, we'll be doing it again. My major concern was if our
donkey could carry enough, and if the load would ride ok.
I loaded my mule with as much as I could -- I'm small so he
can easily carry 60lbs along with me. Going in I didn't have
the wheels tied down as good...so I took them off the donkey
and hung them on my saddle strings...my six-year-old mule
had me, two sets of saddlebags (in front of me and behind),
a bunch of stuff tied behind the saddle, and two 24" wheels
hanging off his hips. He did great -- never spooked once.

There was some discussion awhile back about pack
animals being in Wilderness areas, and your TR puts excellent
color on the importance of it.

Obviously I'm in favor of it :-)

Although the ATV and off-roader industry uses disabled people
as a "reason" that motorized access should be maintained (and
expanded!), my wife is a counter-datapoint. She'd _love_ to see
the wilderness and roadless areas expanded, as would I.

Jon.

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Jonathan Cook wrote:


Although the ATV and off-roader industry uses disabled people
as a "reason" that motorized access should be maintained (and
expanded!), my wife is a counter-datapoint. She'd _love_ to see
the wilderness and roadless areas expanded,

A sign of some true character.

Willi

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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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How comes it to be known the "Aldo Leopold Wilderness Area"?


If I understand the history correctly, he started his career in the
southwest and had something to do with getting the Gila national forest
designated a wilderness area in the 1920's.

O.k., that sounds vaguely familiar. Makes me think that I read some
biographical material or maybe something else of his in which he made
mention of it.

Must have been cool to meet his students.

It was an extraordinary expereience......actually more than a single
experience; I got to spend an entire day in the Hamerstrom's company at
their home in Plainfield, and a couple more days with Frances a few years
after Frederick died.

I finally got a copy of the Sand
County Alamanac and throughly enjoyed the read. I'm going to be keeping an
eye out for other writings of his.

Good plan.

Thanks.

Wolfgang

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"William Claspy" wrote in message
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Wolfgang and Wayne-

Indeed, Leopold spent a fair amount of time out in Jon's neck of the
woods,
as an employee of the U.S. Forest Service. The edition of Sand County
Alamanac that I own also has some of his writings about the desert
southwest
in it. It also has a long treatise on what "wilderness" means. Good
stuff.
Time to migrate that one up in your reading pile, Wolfgang. Perhaps we
can
discuss over a steaming mug o' joe up north.

I just checked Project Gutenberg. No luck; they don't have anything by
Leopold listed. I was hoping that his stuff would be public domain by
now......seems like it should be old enough.

Anyway, between you, you've managed to jog my memory. I think I must once
have had an edition similar to yours. Time to reread. I know a place where
I can almost certainly find a copy.

If we're going to discuss books in the UP, Voelker will have to be on the
list as well. Then, when we get back, we can write up a trip report and
tell Jeffie that we fished Voelker's holy waters........and he didn't.
:)

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:

I just checked Project Gutenberg. No luck; they don't have anything by
Leopold listed. I was hoping that his stuff would be public domain by
now......seems like it should be old enough.

He played a small part in extirpating the wolves in New Mexico, for
which, to his credit, he was sincerely regretfull. The essay is readily
available on the Web. For example:

http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/chri...otes.html#wolf

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:

I just checked Project Gutenberg. No luck; they don't have anything by
Leopold listed. I was hoping that his stuff would be public domain by
now......seems like it should be old enough.

He played a small part in extirpating the wolves in New Mexico, for
which, to his credit, he was sincerely regretfull. The essay is readily
available on the Web. For example:

http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/chri...otes.html#wolf

Ah! I remember it now......after rereading. It was a long time ago.
Thanks for the pointer.

Incidentally, I see that the publication date for "A Sand County Almanac"
and "Sketches Here and There" is listed as 1948 or 1949 (there seems to be a
difference of opinion)......later than I thought. This explains why I
couldn't find them on any of the public domain e-text sites.

And, for those with a penchant for literary arcana........

I should have remembered "Sketches Here and There". I recall, now that I've
been reminded, that on first encountering it I was struck by the similarity
between Leopold's title and Twain's "Sketches Old and New". Leopold was
highly literate. The similarity could hardly have been lost on him and, if
it were, his publishers would surely have made him aware of it. A clever
borrowing for the sake of reflected glory? Doesn't seem likely. Homage?
Hm.......

Bill?

Wolfgang
who knows there ain't nothing quite like having a reference librarian on
tap. :)

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Anyway, between you, you've managed to jog my memory. I think I must once
have had an edition similar to yours. Time to reread. I know a place
where
I can almost certainly find a copy.


Send snail, I'll loan you my copy if you can not get your hands on it

If we're going to discuss books in the UP, Voelker will have to be on the
list as well. Then, when we get back, we can write up a trip report and
tell Jeffie that we fished Voelker's holy waters........and he didn't.


Sometime around June 24th next year I have a date on his pond, wanna join
me?

Wayne

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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Anyway, between you, you've managed to jog my memory. I think I must
once
have had an edition similar to yours. Time to reread. I know a place
where
I can almost certainly find a copy.


Send snail, I'll loan you my copy if you can not get your hands on it

Thanks. If I have any trouble finding it, I'll let you know.

If we're going to discuss books in the UP, Voelker will have to be on
the
list as well. Then, when we get back, we can write up a trip report and
tell Jeffie that we fished Voelker's holy waters........and he didn't.


Sometime around June 24th next year I have a date on his pond, wanna join
me?

June 24th....got it. Where do we meet.....and what time?

Wolfgang

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On 7/1/04 10:27 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:

I just checked Project Gutenberg. No luck; they don't have anything by
Leopold listed. I was hoping that his stuff would be public domain by
now......seems like it should be old enough.

He played a small part in extirpating the wolves in New Mexico, for
which, to his credit, he was sincerely regretfull. The essay is readily
available on the Web. For example:

http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/chri...otes.html#wolf

Ah! I remember it now......after rereading. It was a long time ago.
Thanks for the pointer.

Incidentally, I see that the publication date for "A Sand County Almanac"
and "Sketches Here and There" is listed as 1948 or 1949 (there seems to be a
difference of opinion)......later than I thought. This explains why I
couldn't find them on any of the public domain e-text sites.

And, for those with a penchant for literary arcana........

I should have remembered "Sketches Here and There". I recall, now that I've
been reminded, that on first encountering it I was struck by the similarity
between Leopold's title and Twain's "Sketches Old and New". Leopold was
highly literate. The similarity could hardly have been lost on him and, if
it were, his publishers would surely have made him aware of it. A clever
borrowing for the sake of reflected glory? Doesn't seem likely. Homage?
Hm.......

Bill?

It's like giving dope to a junky. DAMN YOU!

OK. Started off with a hop, skip and a jump through Rod Nash's "Wilderness
and the American Mind" (which, if you haven't read it, DO NOT PASS GO. Go
get a copy and get busy), no mention of Clemens vis a vis Leopold. Having
read his chapter on Leopold (entitled "Aldo Leopold: Prophet"), I don't
recall any such linking, but could be mistaken.

Next a quick tippity tap through the MLA and Digital Dissertations doesn't
readily show any articles or dissertations linking the two.

A quick trot upstairs leads me through Susan Fleder's "Thinking like a
mountain..." which discusses Leopold more from an ecologists/conservationist
point of view. A quick perusal has put the book on my list, but doesn't
seem to address the question at hand.

Next is Curt Meine's biography. Damn you. This sucker got moved to the top
of my list. I've looked through it before, but it demands a full read.
Just the few passages I read through (those on his education and early life)
make Leopold all the more fascinating in my eyes. An example: included in
the portion I read was description of his first years at Yale. Many
students at the time served as "big brother" to indigent boys and young men
of New Haven. Leopold's charge was a destitute Jewish boy, who quickly
became L's tramping and fishing partner. A letter is reproduced in the
book, from Bennie to Aldo, which shows just what sort of a mensch Leopold
was, even as a young man.

More to the point, it is obvious to me that while Meine makes no overt link
between the title Leopold uses for that essay (group of essays) and Clemens,
such a connection would not have been lost on Leopold, and could quite
certainly have been made purposefully. Leopold was thoroughly steeped in
literature at Yale- one of his Sunday letters home begins "this evening
finds rain outside and Byron inside..."

My edition of SCA lives on my nightstand. I flipped it open to the "June"
essay, a vivid description of hooking a brook trout on a warm summer day
amidst the tag alders. Excellent, excellent stuff.

Bill

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"riverman" wrote in message ...

Ahh, I did notice that the wheels were arranged differently in the two
pictures. I was wondering if the terrain had done something to your wife's
chair. How is it for mobility on the forest floor: do they make any sort of

Actually, those pictures are taken 30 seconds apart. The reason the
back picture shows them not to be "even" is that they are stuffed down
into the panniers (actually just army duffel bags), and the one side
didn't have a nice "vertical" slot to stuff it down in to.

We only used the wheelchair around camp, and it's generally not too
bad. On regular rides (not overnight), we just bring a standard cloth
fold up chair (tied behind the cantle) with us for breaks.

Jon.