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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:
snip
yes, we all know ...

There you go again.

Laugh and the world laughs with you, but jacking off in
public, that's just sick.

O.k., ya got me on the ropes.......now how ya gonna finish it?

Wolfgang
see? is the boy easy to steer or what? watch this. hey kennie! wanna
know what maclean said in "a river runs through it"? i double dog dare
you not to ask! :)

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Laugh and the world laughs with you, but jacking off in
public, that's just sick.

O.k., ya got me on the ropes.......now how ya gonna finish it?

You're not only finished, you've been flamed to a black,
crispy cinder. Not that you're aware enough to know it.

And your sotto voce pseudo sigs ? They speak volumes, but
once again, you're not aware enough to know it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Laugh and the world laughs with you, but jacking off in
public, that's just sick.

O.k., ya got me on the ropes.......now how ya gonna finish it?

You're not only finished, you've been flamed to a black,
crispy cinder. Not that you're aware enough to know it.

And your sotto voce pseudo sigs ? They speak volumes, but
once again, you're not aware enough to know it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Laugh and the world laughs with you, but jacking off in
public, that's just sick.

O.k., ya got me on the ropes.......now how ya gonna finish it?

You're not only finished, you've been flamed to a black,
crispy cinder. Not that you're aware enough to know it.

Flamed? You call THAT flaming? Write much, kid? :)

And your sotto voce pseudo sigs ? They speak volumes, but
once again, you're not aware enough to know it.

Took the dare. Who's surprised?

Wolfgang
o.k., shall we continue? anyone care to vote?

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
...
Laugh and the world laughs with you, but jacking off in
public, that's just sick.

O.k., ya got me on the ropes.......now how ya gonna finish it?

You're not only finished, you've been flamed to a black,
crispy cinder. Not that you're aware enough to know it.

Flamed? You call THAT flaming? Write much, kid? :)

And your sotto voce pseudo sigs ? They speak volumes, but
once again, you're not aware enough to know it.

Took the dare. Who's surprised?

Wolfgang
o.k., shall we continue? anyone care to vote?

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
Respecting the fish by honoring the sport of fly fishing,

You lost me on that one. . .

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, but I still fail to understand how getting the fish onto
the reel has anything to do with "respecting the fish." Hell, you can honor the
sport any way you want, but I think the fish would feel better respected if you
didn't fish at all.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
Respecting the fish by honoring the sport of fly fishing,

You lost me on that one. . .

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, but I still fail to understand how getting the fish onto
the reel has anything to do with "respecting the fish." Hell, you can honor the
sport any way you want, but I think the fish would feel better respected if you
didn't fish at all.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. What was I thinking? NOBODY READ THIS, OKAY? ;-)

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Yes, but I didn't, except for the context.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.

I didn't say they were, ...

Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. What was I thinking? NOBODY READ THIS, OKAY? ;-)

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Yes, but I didn't, except for the context.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

... you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. ...

It wasn't a private conversation, but if you want to join in
you should do so in context.

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Yes, but I didn't, except for the context.

See above.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

... you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. ...

It wasn't a private conversation, but if you want to join in
you should do so in context.

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Yes, but I didn't, except for the context.

See above.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

... you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. ...

It wasn't a private conversation, but if you want to join in
you should do so in context.

It *was* in context with Willi's comments. He was saying your use of the words
as they referred to "honoring the fish" was strange. At least that's how I read
his statement. Willi?

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Okay, I'll rephrase. Your entire statements as they refer to respecting and
honoring fish is strange. If you want to honor them, don't put a freakin' hook
in their mouth.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

... you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi

I'm so sorry - I didn't realise you guys were using Usenet for a private
conversation. ...

It wasn't a private conversation, but if you want to join in
you should do so in context.

It *was* in context with Willi's comments. He was saying your use of the words
as they referred to "honoring the fish" was strange. At least that's how I read
his statement. Willi?

and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."

Okay, I'll rephrase. Your entire statements as they refer to respecting and
honoring fish is strange. If you want to honor them, don't put a freakin' hook
in their mouth.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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Tim J. wrote:
...
Okay, I'll rephrase. Your entire statements as they refer to respecting and
honoring fish is strange. If you want to honor them, don't put a freakin' hook
in their mouth.

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Tim J. wrote:
...
Okay, I'll rephrase. Your entire statements as they refer to respecting and
honoring fish is strange. If you want to honor them, don't put a freakin' hook
in their mouth.

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:28:04 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Tim J. wrote:
...
Okay, I'll rephrase. Your entire statements as they refer to respecting and
honoring fish is strange. If you want to honor them, don't put a freakin' hook
in their mouth.

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.


Coup sticks often have fur and feathers, if I'm not mistaken.


g.c.

Which I'm not.

http://www.grandrivermuseum.org/Coup%20Stick.htm

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:28:04 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Tim J. wrote:
...
Okay, I'll rephrase. Your entire statements as they refer to respecting and
honoring fish is strange. If you want to honor them, don't put a freakin' hook
in their mouth.

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.


Coup sticks often have fur and feathers, if I'm not mistaken.


g.c.

Which I'm not.

http://www.grandrivermuseum.org/Coup%20Stick.htm

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.


I didn't say they were, ...


Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."


No I didn't find your vocabulary particularly strange when applied to
fly fishing. I think fly fishing can be done with respect for the
resource, not so sure about "properly" and I have trouble with seeing it
as "honorable." But that aside, what I find strange is that you apply
those words to the way YOU do it.

"I try to honor the fish by catching them properly, with respect, and
releasing them them same way. For me, catching them properly means
getting them on the reel."

Personally, I don't care how you fish as long as it's legal but saying
that a method of fishing that puts additional stress on a fish (in some
circumstances) has "honor", is "proper" and is treating the fish with
"respect" is VERY strange to me.



I wrote this before I saw the below post from you:

I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.


Glad you agree.

Willi

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Tim J. wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

For me fly fishing is a very important part of who I am and
how I make sense of the world around me. Norman Maclean had
it right when he said there is no clear line between religion
and fly fishing. For me, words like honorable, properly and
respect are not "strange" words to associate with fly fishing.


I didn't say they were, ...


Right, but you glommed on to a conversation between me and Willi
and Willi called my fly fishing vocabulary "strange."


No I didn't find your vocabulary particularly strange when applied to
fly fishing. I think fly fishing can be done with respect for the
resource, not so sure about "properly" and I have trouble with seeing it
as "honorable." But that aside, what I find strange is that you apply
those words to the way YOU do it.

"I try to honor the fish by catching them properly, with respect, and
releasing them them same way. For me, catching them properly means
getting them on the reel."

Personally, I don't care how you fish as long as it's legal but saying
that a method of fishing that puts additional stress on a fish (in some
circumstances) has "honor", is "proper" and is treating the fish with
"respect" is VERY strange to me.



I wrote this before I saw the below post from you:

I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.


Glad you agree.

Willi

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Willi wrote:
snip
I wrote this before I saw the below post from you:

I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Glad you agree.

That's almost clever, have you been taking Wolfgang lessons ? ;-)

But no, we don't agree at all. Read rw's response, he made your
argument for you and he made it more lucidly.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Willi wrote:
snip
I wrote this before I saw the below post from you:

I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Glad you agree.

That's almost clever, have you been taking Wolfgang lessons ? ;-)

But no, we don't agree at all. Read rw's response, he made your
argument for you and he made it more lucidly.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in message om...

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

Jon.

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in message om...

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

Jon.

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On 26 Aug 2004 09:24:43 -0700, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in message om...

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone and isn't clever enough to realize his
cable service has been cut off.
--
Charlie...

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On 26 Aug 2004 09:24:43 -0700, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in message om...

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone and isn't clever enough to realize his
cable service has been cut off.
--
Charlie...

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Jonathan Cook wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

I was thinking the same thing. The whole C&R "ethic", or as the
Halfordian Golfer would say, "treating trout like golf balls,"
is the subtext of this particular argument.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Jonathan Cook wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

I was thinking the same thing. The whole C&R "ethic", or as the
Halfordian Golfer would say, "treating trout like golf balls,"
is the subtext of this particular argument.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Charlie Choc wrote:

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone ...

**** you, Choc.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Charlie Choc wrote:

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone ...

**** you, Choc.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:37:01 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Charlie Choc wrote:

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone ...

**** you, Choc.

Only in your dreams. Talk about creepy...
--
Charlie...

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:37:01 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Charlie Choc wrote:

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone ...

**** you, Choc.

Only in your dreams. Talk about creepy...
--
Charlie...

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:35:36 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Jonathan Cook wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

I was thinking the same thing. The whole C&R "ethic", or as the
Halfordian Golfer would say, "treating trout like golf balls,"
is the subtext of this particular argument.

And putting a fish "on the reel" just because you think it looks cool is
treating trout like what?
--
Charlie...

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:35:36 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Jonathan Cook wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

I was thinking the same thing. The whole C&R "ethic", or as the
Halfordian Golfer would say, "treating trout like golf balls,"
is the subtext of this particular argument.

And putting a fish "on the reel" just because you think it looks cool is
treating trout like what?
--
Charlie...

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Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. The whole C&R "ethic", or as the
Halfordian Golfer would say, "treating trout like golf balls,"
is the subtext of this particular argument.

... just because you think it looks cool ...

**** you, Choc.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. The whole C&R "ethic", or as the
Halfordian Golfer would say, "treating trout like golf balls,"
is the subtext of this particular argument.

... just because you think it looks cool ...

**** you, Choc.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:37:01 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Charlie Choc wrote:

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone ...

**** you, Choc.

Only in your dreams. Talk about creepy...

There are so many of us so busy in Kennie's dreams it's a wonder we
get any rest at all. :(

Wolfgang

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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:37:01 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Charlie Choc wrote:

I think 40's trying to channel T-Bone ...

**** you, Choc.

Only in your dreams. Talk about creepy...

There are so many of us so busy in Kennie's dreams it's a wonder we
get any rest at all. :(

Wolfgang

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Charlie Choc wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:35:36 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Jonathan Cook wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:


It's one thing to honor fish in the abstract, as a fly fisherman
I'm talking about honoring fish as prey, which is somewhat strange
I suppose in that I don't actually plan to eat them, just fool
them with fur and feathers.

Moe Skeeter's hittin' about 3000 RPM in his virtual grave....

I was thinking the same thing. The whole C&R "ethic", or as the
Halfordian Golfer would say, "treating trout like golf balls,"
is the subtext of this particular argument.


And putting a fish "on the reel" just because you think it looks cool is
treating trout like what?

No he says he does it because it's "proper" and that somehow translates
into treating the trout with "honor" and "respect" even though he
himself said that it sometimes stresses the fish more.

Willi