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"bones" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:35:27 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in
message om...


In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
are saying? :)

Wolfgang


Your right, there is a certain disconnect here ,

The interesting thing is that what he THINKS he's saying is just plain
stupid, while what he SAYS makes perfect sense.

must be the Meds :-)

Exactly! :)

Wolfgang
well......partly......there's also what he's medicating FOR.

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"bones" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:35:27 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in
message om...


In the US there is no permanent cure for idiots, fools and
morons but a healthy dose of herb and a good belly laugh can
help alleviate the symptoms for a brief while.

Amazing. Have you ever wondered how life might be different if there
were some correspondence between what you say and what you THINK you
are saying? :)

Wolfgang


Your right, there is a certain disconnect here ,

The interesting thing is that what he THINKS he's saying is just plain
stupid, while what he SAYS makes perfect sense.

must be the Meds :-)

Exactly! :)

Wolfgang
well......partly......there's also what he's medicating FOR.

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daytripper writes:
The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.

scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
Tom

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daytripper writes:
The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.

scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
Tom

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On 02 Sep 2004 23:36:05 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

daytripper writes:
The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.

scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
Tom


And that Tom is exactly what I was asking. When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself? Is evil a relative or an absolute term?


g.c.

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On 02 Sep 2004 23:36:05 GMT, (Tom Littleton) wrote:

daytripper writes:
The bloated pus bag puppeteer is evil incarnate. Why WAY more than half the
country doesn't see it is beyond my comprehension.

scarier to me is the level of alienation and divisive discourse we are getting
to view as routine. I heard one commentator note that the US was as divided as
it had been since the Civil War. Chilling to hear this week was an interview on
NPR with Norman Podhoretz, a founding neocon. When asked what discourse he
maintained with liberal friends, he calmly noted that, not only did he have NO
liberal friends anymore, he felt that it was impossible for a true conservative
to maintain friendship with liberals. Is this what we are coming to, and if so,
where does that leave our national security? As noted by a prominent Republican
past, "a house divided against itself cannot stand". Both sides of the divide
might note this issue, as I see neither addressing it......
Tom


And that Tom is exactly what I was asking. When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself? Is evil a relative or an absolute term?


g.c.

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George asks:
When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports, George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent would be
that you cannot.

Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like, and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

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George asks:
When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports, George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent would be
that you cannot.

Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like, and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

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George asks:
When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports, George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent would be
that you cannot.

Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like, and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

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On 3 Sep 2004 00:25:38 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave


Now that is interesting. Of course I knew that Podhertz was a red
diaper baby ( As am I, sort of. Shirt tail relatives fought with the
Abe Lincoln Brigade in Spain in the 30s. Even closer ones were black
listed because they were self admitted Reds.). But I didn't know that
Krystol was one too. While I don't think they are still interested in
fomenting a world wide Proletarian revolution, certainly their view of
how the world works would be influenced by their up bringing.

g.c.

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On 3 Sep 2004 00:25:38 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave


Now that is interesting. Of course I knew that Podhertz was a red
diaper baby ( As am I, sort of. Shirt tail relatives fought with the
Abe Lincoln Brigade in Spain in the 30s. Even closer ones were black
listed because they were self admitted Reds.). But I didn't know that
Krystol was one too. While I don't think they are still interested in
fomenting a world wide Proletarian revolution, certainly their view of
how the world works would be influenced by their up bringing.

g.c.

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On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

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On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...
George asks:
When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports,
George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent
would be
that you cannot.

Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction
Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are
the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments
where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does
win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like,
and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

As interesting and important as George's question is, I'm afraid that, like
the upcoming election here in the U.S., it is largely moot. Forces have
been set in motion that are sending and will continue to send shock waves
around the world for decades. What's going on today isn't like that
silliness that nobody much gave a **** about over in southeast Asia thirty
years ago. THIS **** is serious.....and it's only going to get more so.
Those of us who don't already feel like Cole Sear soon will. Get used to
it.

Wolfgang
who, childless, is blessed.

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...
George asks:
When you label someone as
evil how can you co-operate with them at any level without feeling you
are aiding evil itself?

Geez, you ask tough questions....willya stick to the trip reports,
George!!
Seriously, your point is well taken, and the answer, to be consistent
would be
that you cannot.

Is evil a relative or an absolute term?

it would seem pretty absolute. And yes, I do worry about the direction
Cheney
and his neocon buddies are taking this nation down. I do think they are
the
ones, both politically and in the media, who have fueled the divisive
atmosphere(although neither side is blameless). I actually have moments
where I
worry how this entire regime will handle it when Kerry wins, if he does
win. I
really fear some hokey suspension of law, state of emergency or the like,
and
hope I am wrong about the lack of character of these folks.
Tom

As interesting and important as George's question is, I'm afraid that, like
the upcoming election here in the U.S., it is largely moot. Forces have
been set in motion that are sending and will continue to send shock waves
around the world for decades. What's going on today isn't like that
silliness that nobody much gave a **** about over in southeast Asia thirty
years ago. THIS **** is serious.....and it's only going to get more so.
Those of us who don't already feel like Cole Sear soon will. Get used to
it.

Wolfgang
who, childless, is blessed.

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave

I hope your wrong too, but never underestimate the power of stupid people in
large groups ( especialy if they have money).

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...

As a sidenote . . .
As one of the NGs Silverbacks, I find it incredible that the conservatives
in the Republican Party have been bambozzled by the "NEOCONS" like Norman
Podhoretz. Norman Podhoretz is from a notorious Trotskyite Communist
backround, as is William Krystol and several other prominant "NEOCONS."

The doctrine of pre-emptive war, the drive to control the energy producing
areas and supress Arab Nationalism, the doctrine of continuous war, the
attack on personal freedoms, etc are all direct borrowings from the
Trotskyite playbook, and were policies that split the Communist
International in the 1940's. Even penetration of democratic political
parties, like the Republicans (and the Democrats) was a widely discussed
tactic of the Trotskyites. That this group should have its sucess in the
penetration of the Republicans is an amazing irony of history. John Birch
must be turning in his grave!

The scary thing is if history continues this replay. Because . . . in the
run-up to the Fascist/National Socialist takeover of Germany, the business
classes and the conservative social and religous parties, felt THEY (like
Bush and the "R"s) were using Hitler and the Brownshirts (substitute
"NEOCONS) to bolster the nation. However, the Fascists (like the NEOCONS)
had ideas of their own.

Lord I hope Im wrong.

Dave

I hope your wrong too, but never underestimate the power of stupid people in
large groups ( especialy if they have money).

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On 3 Sep 2004 02:01:10 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"bones" wrote in message
.. .
On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and
real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

I'll tell you Bones, you are just one sharp cookie. Can't put anything over
on you. (Besides I may need some classy flies one of these days.) But you
got to admit you were all wet on whether or not the Enronites were cheating
on the energy "crisis" in California. Not now that they got them on tape
yuking it up on how they were screwing you folk. Come-on, even a dyed in the
woolly, rock rib such as yourself cannot like being robbed? Told ya.
:-)

Dave

Yeah right, whatever :-)
Not to worry,I sell to all style of Marxist's. The Red Butted Skunk
is a top mover :-)
I'm working on a cripple ... that one should be a good one as well :-)

I don't remember defending Enron and I pity the poor SOB that is
assigned that task... I did, however say to take a look at LA Water
and Power... they "stole" as much, if not more...and the CEO then
became Davis's energy Tsar. That got glossed over (read omitted) by
the LA Times, yet another bastion of Red Butted Skunk buyers :-)


Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

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On 3 Sep 2004 02:01:10 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"bones" wrote in message
.. .
On 2 Sep 2004 23:55:07 GMT, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"Bones" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:10:45 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Bones wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
... I highly recommend the herbs when watching the Republicans
strut their stuff on the TV. Laughter is the best medicine.

You seem to do a lot of self medicating Ken.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

not really, just wondering what aliment you are trying to treat.......
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

Who knows? Is it true that Rush was taking 50-100 oxycontins for some
"ailment"("hillbilly Heroin)? Or was it Hydrocodone 50s? Anal warts I
understand. But then meth is the drug of choice in the "R" belt, and
real
heroin is flowing again massively out of Afganistan now that they are
"free." So I guess its time to crack down on pot again.

Dave


went by you like a shot Dave... hearing that constant whistling sound
must be a great distraction for you
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

I'll tell you Bones, you are just one sharp cookie. Can't put anything over
on you. (Besides I may need some classy flies one of these days.) But you
got to admit you were all wet on whether or not the Enronites were cheating
on the energy "crisis" in California. Not now that they got them on tape
yuking it up on how they were screwing you folk. Come-on, even a dyed in the
woolly, rock rib such as yourself cannot like being robbed? Told ya.
:-)

Dave

Yeah right, whatever :-)
Not to worry,I sell to all style of Marxist's. The Red Butted Skunk
is a top mover :-)
I'm working on a cripple ... that one should be a good one as well :-)

I don't remember defending Enron and I pity the poor SOB that is
assigned that task... I did, however say to take a look at LA Water
and Power... they "stole" as much, if not more...and the CEO then
became Davis's energy Tsar. That got glossed over (read omitted) by
the LA Times, yet another bastion of Red Butted Skunk buyers :-)


Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

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Lat705 wrote:
If you can't resonably argue the message, attack the messenger.

The message was a pack of lies.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Lat705 wrote:
If you can't resonably argue the message, attack the messenger.

The message was a pack of lies.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Larry L wrote:

After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
most powerful military.

But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
many times in history, as we all know.

............

ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?

Bush is sometimes referred to as "the Smirk", and I think that's
what you were witnessing. If you watch any of his speeches, you'll see
that little twisted expression several times per speech. Personally, I
think that what's running through his mind at those moments is something
like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm the f*ck*ng prez! All I ever wanted to
be was the baseball commish, but look at me now!!".

As for your point about using a war for popularity -- I imagine
Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign enemy
to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first, you
know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave him a
chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland ...
er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to label
dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him if he
doesn't have time for domestic issues.

Yep, war is good for bidness.


Chuck Vance

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Larry L wrote:

After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
most powerful military.

But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
many times in history, as we all know.

............

ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?

Bush is sometimes referred to as "the Smirk", and I think that's
what you were witnessing. If you watch any of his speeches, you'll see
that little twisted expression several times per speech. Personally, I
think that what's running through his mind at those moments is something
like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm the f*ck*ng prez! All I ever wanted to
be was the baseball commish, but look at me now!!".

As for your point about using a war for popularity -- I imagine
Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign enemy
to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first, you
know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave him a
chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland ...
er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to label
dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him if he
doesn't have time for domestic issues.

Yep, war is good for bidness.


Chuck Vance

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Larry L wrote:

After 9/11 in one of his very first public statements (after he came out of
hiding) Bush said something very close to, "I knew right then we were at
war" At that thought he got a clear, but quickly suppressed, little ****
eating grin on his frickin face. That was the first second that I knew we
were in big trouble in this country. Anyone that has to fight back a grin
at the thought of war is unfit to own a gun, let alone command the world's
most powerful military.

But daddy had proved a war is great for popularity ratings. So, Jr.
gladly became a "war president" and used a pile of dead
bodies as the foundation for greatly increased "popularity" in a country
reeling in fear and uncertainty. It's a strategy that has worked far too
many times in history, as we all know.

............

ANYway, I have been unsuccessfully trying to find a video clip of that
speech and his grin on the Net. Happen to know where it can be found?

Bush is sometimes referred to as "the Smirk", and I think that's
what you were witnessing. If you watch any of his speeches, you'll see
that little twisted expression several times per speech. Personally, I
think that what's running through his mind at those moments is something
like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm the f*ck*ng prez! All I ever wanted to
be was the baseball commish, but look at me now!!".

As for your point about using a war for popularity -- I imagine
Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign enemy
to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first, you
know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave him a
chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland ...
er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to label
dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him if he
doesn't have time for domestic issues.

Yep, war is good for bidness.


Chuck Vance

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"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
...
...I imagine
Dubya caught on pretty quickly to how good it is to have a foreign
enemy
to unite folks behind him. (And if he didn't realize it at first,
you
know that Cheney and Rumsfeld were quick to point it out.) It gave
him a
chance to do some macho posturing; it gave him the whole Fatherland
....
er ... Homeland security trump card to fall back on; he gets to
label
dissenters with the "unpatriotic" tag; plus folks will forgive him
if he
doesn't have time for domestic issues.

Yep, war is good for bidness.

Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

Wolfgang
c'mon seven.....baby needs a new pai......um......well, baby needs a
new shoe.

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
didn't you?

Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
seem to be making much of an impression, given
that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
didn't you?

Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
seem to be making much of an impression, given
that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:34:01 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:


You *did* say I hadn't been posting here enough lately Greg and Cyli,
didn't you?

Noooo, I didn't say that. I said that your posts didn't
seem to be making much of an impression, given
that Cyli said you hadn't been around in a while :-)

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Wolfgang wrote:

Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.


Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
above?)

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Wolfgang wrote:

Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.


Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
above?)

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Wolfgang wrote:

Not only for business. War is also immensely popular as
entertainment. We owe our survival as a species to the fact that
historically war has been second only to sex as a leisure time
activity. For the moment, making babies is still more popular than
incinerating and exploding them. But, it's a precarious balance that
could, especially in this day of weapons of mass destruction in the
hands of immoral and irresponsible idiots, tip at any moment.

I think you're being a little hard on Dubya.


Chuck Vance (or is that Cheney ... or Rumsfeld ... or all of the
above?)

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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
selective service did away with deferments for married men without
children.

Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)


You weren't around then to know people who
did exactly that ? He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
selective service did away with deferments for married men without
children.

Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)


You weren't around then to know people who
did exactly that ? He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

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GregP wrote:
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
selective service did away with deferments for married men without
children.

Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)

You weren't around then to know people who
did exactly that ?

Yes.

He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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GregP wrote:
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:53:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Check out the birth date of his first daughter verses the date the
selective service did away with deferments for married men without
children.

Hoo boy. I always read these threads with interest so I can keep
informed of the far left thought process, but, BJ my friend, I think
it's time to put away the tin foil party hats. Obviously, you've left
yours on through a few lightning storms too many. ;-)

You weren't around then to know people who
did exactly that ?

Yes.

He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:13:26 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:


He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)


A "conspiracy ?" I guess that's what the RNC
does to the faithful.

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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:13:26 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:


He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)


A "conspiracy ?" I guess that's what the RNC
does to the faithful.

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GregP wrote:
Tim J. wrote:

He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)


A "conspiracy ?"

Yup - I'm assuming there was a female involved.

I guess that's what the RNC does to the faithful.

I wouldn't know. You'll have to to find out from one of them.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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GregP wrote:
Tim J. wrote:

He did acquire 2, 3(?) deferments
before then and this was simply a way to get
another one when the path to others failed.

Hoo boy.... conspiracies EVERYWHERE! ;-)


A "conspiracy ?"

Yup - I'm assuming there was a female involved.

I guess that's what the RNC does to the faithful.

I wouldn't know. You'll have to to find out from one of them.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj