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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:41:30 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message link.net... ok...george is indeed a good enough reason to choose those dates. the 9th it is... (um, will george wear the bear costume?) Will you respect him in the morning? Wolfgang bring flowers.....and candy.....um.....and beer. Lots and lots of beer. George C. Who just realized that he'll be off the 13th, 14th and 15th also. |
"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:41:30 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message hlink.net... ok...george is indeed a good enough reason to choose those dates. the 9th it is... (um, will george wear the bear costume?) Will you respect him in the morning? Wolfgang bring flowers.....and candy.....um.....and beer. Lots and lots of beer. George C. Who just realized that he'll be off the 13th, 14th and 15th also. Uh oh. O.k., we're gonna need drywall tape, a typewriter, ziplock bags......and LOTS more beer! Wolfgang who, having seen it before, knows that this could get real ugly......real fast. :( |
Wolfgang wrote:
Well, since George has said he might get away for a day or two around the 9th, and no one else appears willing to make a decision, I say it's the 9th-17th. Vote early......vote often. Wolfgang voting is over... so, just made my reservations...arrive around 2 pm in marquette, via deetroyt, on friday sept 9. leave sat, sept 17, around 2:30 pm. yoopee! jeff |
Wolfgang wrote:
Currently, a sixteen year old minivan with about 200k miles on it. By September......who knows? But (and trust me on this one), whatever it is, Wayne's is likely to be the better offering. :) Wolfgang no doubt...but, i hear alamo rents a chevy suv cheap. g. so, ya wanna share a rental? you can get it in milwaukee, drop me off in marquette on the 16th or early 17th. jeff |
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:19:42 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote: Wolfgang wrote: Well, since George has said he might get away for a day or two around the 9th, and no one else appears willing to make a decision, I say it's the 9th-17th. Vote early......vote often. Wolfgang voting is over... so, just made my reservations...arrive around 2 pm in marquette, via deetroyt, on friday sept 9. leave sat, sept 17, around 2:30 pm. yoopee! jeff Yoopee indeed. I think I'll try to hook up with you all mid week rather than on the 9th. George C. |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:aLh6e.36622$AL.5954@lakeread08... no doubt...but, i hear alamo rents a chevy suv cheap. g. so, ya wanna share a rental? you can get it in milwaukee, drop me off in marquette on the 16th or early 17th. What, my car not good enough for you? |
Wayne Knight wrote:
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:aLh6e.36622$AL.5954@lakeread08... no doubt...but, i hear alamo rents a chevy suv cheap. g. so, ya wanna share a rental? you can get it in milwaukee, drop me off in marquette on the 16th or early 17th. What, my car not good enough for you? your car will be most excellent! i assume you followed makela's alamo adventure...it was sort of a joke, but also a thought that might accommodate everyone's needs. of course, unless you are picking up wolfie in milwaukee it's gonna be a long walk for him. i got the impression he would be looking for alternate transportation too. btw...are you in all week? i guess i misunderstood or missed a post. since i'm flying into marquette... thought i/we needed a car. anyway, i'm easy baggage to transport... ....and bill, the fox sounds like a great start. jeff |
On 4/11/05 7:37 AM, in article Hjt6e.46735$AL.34562@lakeread08, "Jeff
Miller" wrote: ...and bill, the fox sounds like a great start. :-) I'm already looking forward to it. I think you are going to like that river. I'll scout for pasty shops, Jeff. ;-) B (and now I gotta pack Chaucer *and* Joyce *and* the spare tent....) |
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:Hjt6e.46735$AL.34562@lakeread08... Wayne Knight wrote: "Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:aLh6e.36622$AL.5954@lakeread08... no doubt...but, i hear alamo rents a chevy suv cheap. g. so, ya wanna share a rental? you can get it in milwaukee, drop me off in marquette on the 16th or early 17th. What, my car not good enough for you? your car will be most excellent! i assume you followed makela's alamo adventure...it was sort of a joke, but also a thought that might accommodate everyone's needs. of course, unless you are picking up wolfie in milwaukee it's gonna be a long walk for him. i got the impression he would be looking for alternate transportation too. I was actually thinking about paddling my way up. :) btw...are you in all week? i guess i misunderstood or missed a post. He did say he was going to do the whole week with us.......and I think we should hold him to it (he knows lots of good restaurants and carries good wiskey). since i'm flying into marquette... thought i/we needed a car. anyway, i'm easy baggage to transport... One way or another, we'll have transportation covered.......hell, Marquette is a metroplois.....they're bound to have some kind of rent a Sherpa or something. ...and bill, the fox sounds like a great start. Amen. Wolfgang |
William Claspy wrote:
On 4/11/05 7:37 AM, in article Hjt6e.46735$AL.34562@lakeread08, "Jeff Miller" wrote: ...and bill, the fox sounds like a great start. :-) I'm already looking forward to it. I think you are going to like that river. well...i liked hemingway's little story... and, i've not yet seen a yooper river i didn't like. I'll scout for pasty shops, Jeff. ;-) hmmm... so that's the game, eh? well, i'll bring you a sampling of chitlins... then, we'll talk. jeez, i suppose the olives are soon to be mentioned? pastys, olives, chaucer, and joyce...all we need is a rat-gutting demonstration. um...uh oh.... B (and now I gotta pack Chaucer *and* Joyce *and* the spare tent....) reading that death **** in "portrait..." while airborne on a northwestern flight was about all the joyce i'd ever want to handle without good prescription medication...but the molly bloom last chapter has me a bit interested... jeff |
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:shF6e.47922$AL.46948@lakeread08... ...all we need is a rat-gutting demonstration... Heh, heh, heh. :) The sad truth is that there isn't really any gutting going on these days.......that was back in transplant. Um......that doesn't mean that guts aren't visible, though. Anyway, what with the miracles of digital photography, it's easy enough to get shots of the various stages of decapitation, removal of the brain, harvesting of temporal bones, microdissection, etc. Now, if only we had a willing host with a website........ Wolfgang |
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:07:34 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:Hjt6e.46735$AL.34562@lakeread08... Wayne Knight wrote: "Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:aLh6e.36622$AL.5954@lakeread08... no doubt...but, i hear alamo rents a chevy suv cheap. g. so, ya wanna share a rental? you can get it in milwaukee, drop me off in marquette on the 16th or early 17th. What, my car not good enough for you? your car will be most excellent! i assume you followed makela's alamo adventure...it was sort of a joke, but also a thought that might accommodate everyone's needs. of course, unless you are picking up wolfie in milwaukee it's gonna be a long walk for him. i got the impression he would be looking for alternate transportation too. I was actually thinking about paddling my way up. :) btw...are you in all week? i guess i misunderstood or missed a post. He did say he was going to do the whole week with us.......and I think we should hold him to it (he knows lots of good restaurants and carries good wiskey). since i'm flying into marquette... thought i/we needed a car. anyway, i'm easy baggage to transport... One way or another, we'll have transportation covered.......hell, Marquette is a metroplois.....they're bound to have some kind of rent a Sherpa or something. ...and bill, the fox sounds like a great start. Amen. Wolfgang http://www.greyhound.com/scripts/ticketcenter/Step3.asp hth George C. |
Wolfgang wrote:
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:shF6e.47922$AL.46948@lakeread08... ...all we need is a rat-gutting demonstration... Heh, heh, heh. :) Um......that doesn't mean that guts aren't visible, though. Anyway, what with the miracles of digital photography, it's easy enough to get shots of the various stages of decapitation, removal of the brain, harvesting of temporal bones, microdissection, etc. ah, now i understand where the ingredients for pastys originate. jeff (who's much the wiser, though no smarter) |
"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... http://www.greyhound.com/scripts/ticketcenter/Step3.asp hth George C. Interesting idea. I haven't gone anywhere on a bus in 20 years or more. Just over 7 hours travel time.......sounds pretty good. Wolfgang |
Jeff Miller wrote: your car will be most excellent! i assume you followed makela's alamo adventure...it was sort of a joke, but also a thought that might accommodate everyone's needs. of course, unless you are picking up wolfie in milwaukee it's gonna be a long walk for him. I could pick up Wolfgang in Cheeseland ifin he needs the ride. btw...are you in all week? i guess i misunderstood or missed a post. since i'm flying into marquette... As it stands now, I am in all week, The Friday night start creates a small logistic problem and means I'm going to have to work some fat off of my ass to get office stuff down, but I will be there. ...and bill, the fox sounds like a great start. Got to start somewhere. We need to start gathering the list of needed supplies, including beer. It's less expensive in Indiana. Like Bill, I have extra tent and sleeping bags. How do you feel about golden retrievers? Wayne |
On 4/12/05 10:16 AM, in article
, "Wayne Knight" wrote: How do you feel about golden retrievers? Who's bringing the spaetzle? Bill |
William Claspy wrote: Who's bringing the spaetzle? I know I'm going to regret not looking it up instead of asking but wtf is spaetzle? |
On 4/12/05 11:43 AM, in article
, "Wayne Knight" wrote: William Claspy wrote: Who's bringing the spaetzle? I know I'm going to regret not looking it up instead of asking but wtf is spaetzle? German noodle. Boiled, served with butter, alongside Schnitzel, Hasenpfeffer, or... (see the "Toby" thread). :-) Bill |
German noodle. Boiled, served with butter, alongside Schnitzel,
Hasenpfeffer, or... (see the "Toby" thread). Or golden retriever. -- Frank Reid Euthenize to respond |
On 4/12/05 11:58 AM, in article , "Frank
Reid" wrote: German noodle. Boiled, served with butter, alongside Schnitzel, Hasenpfeffer, or... (see the "Toby" thread). Or golden retriever. Hundepfeffer. B |
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:50:56 -0400, William Claspy
wrote: On 4/12/05 11:43 AM, in article .com, "Wayne Knight" wrote: William Claspy wrote: Who's bringing the spaetzle? I know I'm going to regret not looking it up instead of asking but wtf is spaetzle? German noodle. Boiled, served with butter, alongside Schnitzel, Hasenpfeffe But you make it while the rest of dinner is cooking, right? I've never seen spatzle in the supermarket next to the egg noodles. If the former, that means you have to have the flour and the eggs and the noodle squisher (would a potato ricer do?). Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
Who's bringing the spaetzle?
I know I'm going to regret not looking it up instead of asking but wtf is spaetzle? But you make it while the rest of dinner is cooking, right? I've never seen spatzle in the supermarket next to the egg noodles. If the former, that means you have to have the flour and the eggs and the noodle squisher (would a potato ricer do?). This is close to the recipe that I use with German food (minus the nutmeg). Notice that there is no flour. http://sheknows.com/about/look/3074.htm A potato ricer will work, though I have a good spaetzle press similiar to "360-01 Potato Ricer and Spaetzle press" on this page: http://www.kasbahouse.com/villawareo...kersricers.asp I am, however, intrigued by the rotary models, as the press is really hard to work if the dough sets up any. It is one of my favorite side dishes. If you want a main course to go with it, you can't beat schwenkbraten: http://www.jambra.net/6911/recipes.htm Jeff is an old coworker of mine from my Air Force days and one hell of a chef. -- Frank Reid Euthenize to respond |
William Claspy wrote:
Well, I don't know what the latter would be in this statement (grocery bought rather than prepared fresh?), and I've not made spaetzle from scratch (though plenty of batches of pasta), but yes, an egg or two, flour and water and salt would do it, and then the potato ricer. I think the traditional method uses some kind of mandolin apparatus, but don't quote me on that. I've seen spaetzle makers that look almost like a cheese grater, where the spaetzle are made by extruding the dough through the holes and into boiling water. You could even use a colander for making them as well, as long as the holes are appropriately sized. Here in Cleveland, the grocery usually has several different brands of spaetzle to choose from :-) Fresh ones in the cooler, boxed/dried ones in the pasta aisle, etc. I've taken to cooking the fresh ones, which simply require a quick toss in a hot pan with butter just to brown them up a tad. The dried ones require boiling for 15 to 20 minutes. Both are tasty. Yah, even down here in the vast cultural wasteland that is Texas, we can find the boxes of dried spaetzle at better supermarkets. And they taste just fine. But they are a bit high-priced when you consider how basic the ingredients are, and how simple they are to make. Chuck Vance (now pierogies are a different story; I once spent a whole afternoon making a batch of them and now happily pay to get the frozen kind) |
On 4/13/05 9:33 AM, in article , "Conan The
Librarian" wrote: Chuck Vance (now pierogies are a different story; I once spent a whole afternoon making a batch of them and now happily pay to get the frozen kind) We've got more than a dozen varieties of pierogies to chose from here as well. Just for the fresh ones, there are at least four or five fillings to choose from, then there are the frozen ones... and that's just at the grocery. If I stop at the West Side Market on the way home from work, I can chose from a much larger selection, all fresh: http://www.piepal.com If you want central European food, we've got it! Bill |
Frank Reid wrote:
This is close to the recipe that I use with German food (minus the nutmeg). Notice that there is no flour. http://sheknows.com/about/look/3074.htm Really? No flour? ----- Ingredients: 4 large eggs, room temperature, lightly beaten 2 cups whole milk Pinch of nutmeg 1 teaspoon salt Pinch of ground pepper 4 cups all-purpose flour 1/2 cup (1 stick) butter ----- That 4 cups of flour looks like flour to me! Spaetzle is somewhat similar to kluski - a Polish dumpling/noodle thing (modern recipes calling for kluski usually use a commercial egg noodle). The dough recipe is the same. The use of nutmeg in this recipe is odd - I've never seen that. In Polish style, you scoop up dough on a wooden spoon and use your thumb to push the dough into the boiling water. In practice, you get enough onto the spoon to push off several pieces from one scoop. The result can be thin like a noodle, or thick, or even a ball depending on what shape you want. The German technique is to spead the dough out on a wooden cutting board and cut and roll ribbons into the water using a knife or other straight edge. The tools (like a ricer) make a more uniform product. You can also just push the dough through a colander. (Never tried either of those but saw the colander method on an old cooking show - maybe Julia Child?) -- Stan Gula http://gula.org/roffswaps |
"Stan Gula" wrote in
news:Hia7e.19261$1p4.8100@trndny06: (Never tried either of those but saw the colander method on an old cooking show - maybe Julia Child?) Was that the one where she bled out cutting a chicken?? Scott |
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William Claspy wrote:
We've got more than a dozen varieties of pierogies to chose from here as well. Just for the fresh ones, there are at least four or five fillings to choose from, then there are the frozen ones... and that's just at the grocery. If I stop at the West Side Market on the way home from work, I can chose from a much larger selection, all fresh: http://www.piepal.com B*st*rd. And I've got a couple hours to go until lunchtime. As someone who has only eaten potato and cheese or potato, bacon and cheese, I didn't realize there were so many flavors. Though I must admit, I'm not too keen on the idea of prune or peanut butter and banana pierogies. Chuck Vance (nor the saurkraut ones, either) |
Kevin Vang wrote:
If you take out about half of the flour and replace it with cooked and riced potatoes, and cook it in 1-2 inch dumplings, then you have Norwegian potato klub (or make it slightly smaller, and you have Italian gnocchi.) My Norske grandparents used to make klub and serve it with melted bacon fat which had been saved from breakfast. I remember thinking it was delicious when I was a kid, though I cringe at the thought of all that fat now. It was just the thing for a farmer, though -- you get a belly full of potato klub and bacon fat, and you have enough fuel to do chores for, well, several hours before coming in for another big meal. That sounds like a dish that came down through SWMBO's dad's family. They were farmers of German/Russian descent living in Canuckistan, and this meal supposedly consisted of salt pork, potatoes, noodles and cream. They pronounce it "eskimachilchee" (I've never seen it written, so that's a phonetic approximation), which I believe translates to "heart-attack on a plate". :-) Chuck Vance |
In Kevin Vang wrote:
In article Hia7e.19261$1p4.8100@trndny06, lid says... Spaetzle is somewhat similar to kluski - a Polish dumpling/noodle thing If you take out about half of the flour and replace it with cooked and riced potatoes, and cook it in 1-2 inch dumplings, then you have Norwegian potato klub (or make it slightly smaller, and you have Italian gnocchi.) My Norske grandparents used to make klub and serve it with melted bacon fat which had been saved from breakfast. Mmmmm! Mom made something similar, with gnocchi-sized dumplings, plus potatoes, onion, and pieces of bacon, thrown in a dutch oven, doused with bacon drippings, and baked off. Too good for words! :-) Todd (remove hook to reply) |
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:14:13 -0500, Kevin Vang wrote:
In article Hia7e.19261$1p4.8100@trndny06, lid says... Spaetzle is somewhat similar to kluski - a Polish dumpling/noodle thing If you take out about half of the flour and replace it with cooked and riced potatoes, and cook it in 1-2 inch dumplings, then you have Norwegian potato klub (or make it slightly smaller, and you have Italian gnocchi.) My Norske grandparents used to make klub and serve it with melted bacon fat which had been saved from breakfast. I remember thinking it was delicious when I was a kid, though I cringe at the thought of all that fat now. It was just the thing for a farmer, though -- you get a belly full of potato klub and bacon fat, and you have enough fuel to do chores for, well, several hours before coming in for another big meal. Kevin Being of a rather reserved nature, my folks weren't very demonstrative of their affection in front of us kids. But I knew that my mom had to love my Norwegian dad since she made him klub, which she personally abhorred. g.c. |
"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:14:13 -0500, Kevin Vang wrote: In article Hia7e.19261$1p4.8100@trndny06, lid says... Spaetzle is somewhat similar to kluski - a Polish dumpling/noodle thing If you take out about half of the flour and replace it with cooked and riced potatoes, and cook it in 1-2 inch dumplings, then you have Norwegian potato klub (or make it slightly smaller, and you have Italian gnocchi.) My Norske grandparents used to make klub and serve it with melted bacon fat which had been saved from breakfast. I remember thinking it was delicious when I was a kid, though I cringe at the thought of all that fat now. It was just the thing for a farmer, though -- you get a belly full of potato klub and bacon fat, and you have enough fuel to do chores for, well, several hours before coming in for another big meal. Kevin Being of a rather reserved nature, my folks weren't very demonstrative of their affection in front of us kids. But I knew that my mom had to love my Norwegian dad since she made him klub, which she personally abhorred. I've been watching this exchange with particular interest......not least because of a deep and abiding love for all things pastaish (the making as well as the eating). Does anyone else find it odd that so many excellent variations on a marvelous theme have such ugly names? :) Wolfgang euphony-r-us |
Scott Seidman wrote:
Was that the one where she bled out cutting a chicken?? Scott Gonna miss you at Penns, Scooter. Is that the week your TU group goes to Roscoe? -- Stan Gula http://gula.org/roffswaps |
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:22:21 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: Does anyone else find it odd that so many excellent variations on a marvelous theme have such ugly names? :) Wolfgang euphony-r-us Or silly names. Booya comes to mind. Hmmm. Been a while. It's been a few months. Hard to make booya for just two people, but it freezes pretty well. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:51:39 -0400, William Claspy
wrote: (snipped) Here in Cleveland, the grocery usually has several different brands of spaetzle to choose from :-) Fresh ones in the cooler, boxed/dried ones in the pasta aisle, etc. I've taken to cooking the fresh ones, which simply require a quick toss in a hot pan with butter just to brown them up a tad. The dried ones require boiling for 15 to 20 minutes. Both are tasty. Weird. I've never noticed it. And I rather like spaetzle. Maybe they put the dry stuff on higher shelves and short people like me don't notice it. Or it's close to something I generally pick up and then ignore that section of shelving, as I have what I was looking for. If big groceries have it, ours should, too, as we have a lot of German and Middle European ancestry here. We're not all Swenska. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
"Cyli" wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:22:21 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote: Does anyone else find it odd that so many excellent variations on a marvelous theme have such ugly names? :) Wolfgang euphony-r-us Or silly names. Booya comes to mind. Hmmm. Been a while. It's been a few months. Hard to make booya for just two people, but it freezes pretty well. Cyli Never heard of booya. Had to look it up. Found this: http://www.startribune.com/stories/804/34890.html Wolfgang mmmmmmmm......boiled stuff! |
"Stan Gula" wrote in news:73k7e.7982$ff4.6595
@trndny08: Scott Seidman wrote: Was that the one where she bled out cutting a chicken?? Scott Gonna miss you at Penns, Scooter. Is that the week your TU group goes to Roscoe? Not quite-- we go to Roscoe the first weekend in June, but it's just too close for me to do both. Eventually the timing will be right for both trips again. Also, frankly, I'm waiting to hear a better report about the campground management than the one that came back last year. The guy could have learned the ropes, or it could be worse. This Roscoe thing is getting pretty regular, tied to the NY State Council meeting. Maybe some year you'll join us, or I could pop up to you guys for a weekend. I've put together a short slideshow about trout vision and lateral line if you guys need a program. Scott |
On 4/14/05 8:23 AM, in article
, "Scott Seidman" wrote: I've put together a short slideshow about trout vision and lateral line if you guys need a program. Would you be interested in a trip to the Pierogi Capital to give it? I'm guessing our group has some available slots for our fall meetings. Bill |
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