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Jeff Miller wrote: will he be fishing with us? maybe on Sat and Sun, depends on where the travel plans take us. btw, isn't it the truth that most salaried folks - esp. teachers - get a refund because they know they haven't the ability or discipline to save, don't make enough to save and pay expenses of living, and won't have the funds to pay the tax due on april 15, so they select all the withholding possible...? I think there's some merit to your thoughts along with an unrational fear of the IRS. Back when I used to prepare tax returns for the masses, I had several folks who thought that paying the taxman on 4/15 increased their chances for an audit. The IRS doesn't help with their increased audit scrutiny on low income households getting the earned income credit. Most folks do not get bonuses and stock options, getting a big refund is their chance to make a big purchase and pay cash for it, or to pay off bills accumulated from Christmas and other area lead to it. Even if they received no interest on the money. They can not fanthom the difference between letting ones employer over with hold income tax payments vis a vis having the employer send the money to a savings account on a periodic basis. If you're a share holder of H&R Block, it's a good deal for you. |
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message ups.com... ...Most folks do not get bonuses and stock options, getting a big refund is their chance to make a big purchase and pay cash for it, or to pay off bills accumulated from Christmas and other area lead to it. Even if they received no interest on the money. They can not fanthom the difference between letting ones employer over with hold income tax payments vis a vis having the employer send the money to a savings account on a periodic basis... For many of us the difference between letting the feds hold it versus a bank is inconseqential. At 1.25% or so, the yield on $500 is small enough that even those of us with a connection to educational institutions can afford to be blasé. :) Wolfgang who, nevertheless, balks at letting the *******s touch anything that isn't due them. |
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:54:06 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "Wayne Knight" wrote in message oups.com... ...Most folks do not get bonuses and stock options, getting a big refund is their chance to make a big purchase and pay cash for it, or to pay off bills accumulated from Christmas and other area lead to it. Even if they received no interest on the money. They can not fanthom the difference between letting ones employer over with hold income tax payments vis a vis having the employer send the money to a savings account on a periodic basis... For many of us the difference between letting the feds hold it versus a bank is inconseqential. At 1.25% or so, the yield on $500 is small enough that even those of us with a connection to educational institutions can afford to be blasé. :) Wolfgang who, nevertheless, balks at letting the *******s touch anything that isn't due them. I like my withholding to be on the high side. We get about 2K back from the feds. If I had the money put into a savings acount it would probably earning a whopping $20 or so over the year. By getting the money back in February I can cover the higher costs that go with winter here in the Lower Great White North i.e. heating and property taxes. g.c. |
Jonathan Cook wrote:
Kevin Vang wrote: A great many of the students have shockingly poor math skills Hear, hear. I recently read a news article that said far fewer foreign students from places like India and China are coming to study in the US, evidently because of the severe restrictions imposed after 9/11, among other things. So, it's only going to get worse. BTW, when a foreign student applies for a visa, he/she is required to sign a form stating that he/she has no intention of staying in the US after his/her education. How stupid is that? -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Jonathan Cook wrote: Kevin Vang wrote: A great many of the students have shockingly poor math skills Hear, hear. I recently read a news article that said far fewer foreign students from places like India and China are coming to study in the US, evidently because of the severe restrictions imposed after 9/11, among other things. So, it's only going to get worse. You say that like it's a bad thing. Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate education of foreign students ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
rw wrote: Jonathan Cook wrote: Kevin Vang wrote: A great many of the students have shockingly poor math skills Hear, hear. I recently read a news article that said far fewer foreign students from places like India and China are coming to study in the US, evidently because of the severe restrictions imposed after 9/11, among other things. So, it's only going to get worse. You say that like it's a bad thing. Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate education of foreign students ? What makes you think that US taxpayers are paying for post-graduate education of foreign students? -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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lid says... Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate education of foreign students ? 1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates. None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences" here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all. They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that actually pay *them* a small pittance. Now if those foreign students from India and China are coming here to get graduate degrees in English Literature they may actually have to *pay* something, but the vast majority of them are sucking on Uncle Sugar's tit. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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lid says... wrote: lid says... Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate education of foreign students ? 1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates. None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences" here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all. They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that actually pay *them* a small pittance. "None" is a little too all enclusive. I've known plenty of grad students not receiving the small pittance. Neglecting that: The work done for Tuition waiver + small pittance is always a net win for the university. Unless you want to be arguing from the standpoint of university athletics net win, but research/teaching assistantships net loss? - Ken |
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wrote: lid says... Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate education of foreign students ? 1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates. None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences" here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all. They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that actually pay *them* a small pittance. Now if those foreign students from India and China are coming here to get graduate degrees in English Literature they may actually have to *pay* something, but the vast majority of them are sucking on Uncle Sugar's tit. Even if you have a fellowship or an assistantship (working for slave wages), you still pay tuition. The typical foreign graduate student I knew when I was in grad school was subsidized by either his government or his family or both. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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lid says... wrote: says... Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate education of foreign students ? 1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates. None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences" here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all. They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that actually pay *them* a small pittance. "None" is a little too all enclusive. I've known plenty of grad students not receiving the small pittance. Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted. Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the minority and they still have a tuition waiver. Neglecting that: The work done for Tuition waiver + small pittance is always a net win for the university. You're absolutely correct, it is always a net win for Big U, but it's almost entirely funded by the US taxpayer and I think the US taxpayer would be better served by funding only American grad students and making foreign grad students pay their own way. Unless you want to be arguing from the standpoint of university athletics net win, but research/teaching assistantships net loss? Oh, **** you #1. When has a bunch of computer geeks ever won the Rose Bowl ? ;-) GO ILLINI !!! -- Ken Fortenberry |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted. Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the minority and they still have a tuition waiver. I guarantee you that the US taxpayers are not paying for foreign grad students at Stanford and MIT. What the idiots in Illinois are doing is their own business. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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lid says... wrote: lid says... wrote: says... Why on earth should the US taxpayer pay for the post-graduate education of foreign students ? 1- They don't. Foreign students pay out of state rates. None of the grad students in engineering and the "hard sciences" here at Illinois, foreign or domestic, *pay* anything at all. They all have fellowships and subsidized "assistantships" that actually pay *them* a small pittance. "None" is a little too all enclusive. I've known plenty of grad students not receiving the small pittance. Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted. Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the minority and they still have a tuition waiver. While I can't directly call b#*$@#it on this statement, it runs counter to every other grad school I know of. The only way to get a tuition waiver is to be either a teaching or research assistant. According to you, no grad student at Illinois is paying tuition. Neglecting that: The work done for Tuition waiver + small pittance is always a net win for the university. You're absolutely correct, it is always a net win for Big U, but it's almost entirely funded by the US taxpayer and I think the US taxpayer would be better served by funding only American grad students and making foreign grad students pay their own way. I'd have to see concrete data that while this is a money win for the university it somehow costs the US taxpayer. Unless you want to be arguing from the standpoint of university athletics net win, but research/teaching assistantships net loss? Oh, **** you #1. When has a bunch of computer geeks ever won the Rose Bowl ? ;-) When has it ever made a difference. Better to let a bunch of geeks NOT win the Rose Bowl than pay a bunch of pretend students to play football and basketball. - Ken |
George Cleveland wrote: I like my withholding to be on the high side. We get about 2K back from the feds. If I had the money put into a savings acount it would probably earning a whopping $20 or so over the year. By getting the money back in February I can cover the higher costs that go with winter here in the Lower Great White North i.e. heating and property taxes. I know people with 3 kids and typical middle class expenses who go the entire year with holding at single and zero just to get big refunds. In the meantime charge card balances go up and maybe they have to use the overdraft protection when things get tight, all of this adds up to fees they would not have to pay if they adjusted the with holding. If someone told you the power company was taking extra money each month and they would pay you back once a year with no interest, I don't think you would like it. In your particular example the interest on a regular savings account assuming 26 pay periods per year is a little under $20. But take it to the next level. If you are giving the Uncle an interest free loan for 26 pay periods, that's a decent lunch with the missus if nothing else. However if you adjusted withholding get that $76 into your mutual fund with a 6% annual yield, after five years you would have $11,666, a 17% return on your 10K, you would have saved enough to take that once in alifetime trip to fish browns in New Zealand and hit up Alaska. Just something to stew on. |
Wolfgang wrote: For many of us the difference between letting the feds hold it versus a bank is inconseqential. At 1.25% or so, the yield on $500 is small enough that even those of us with a connection to educational institutions can afford to be blas=E9. :) who, nevertheless, balks at letting the *******s touch anything that isn't=20 due them. Except they get the 1.25% instead of you. :( |
Wayne Knight wrote:
I know people with 3 kids and typical middle class expenses who go the entire year with holding at single and zero just to get big refunds. In the meantime charge card balances go up and maybe they have to use the overdraft protection when things get tight, all of this adds up to fees they would not have to pay if they adjusted the with holding. Those are people who don't have the discipline to control their spending, and they know it. That's why they lend money the US Treasury interest-free -- as an enforced savings program. Then when they get the refund they probably blow it on something they don't need because they're suddenly flush. If they just had their bank transfer the money into an IRA every pay period they'd do a lot better. The best strategy is to owe as much of your taxes as possible on April 15, as long as you avoid penalties. Then you're getting a float from the Treasury. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
"rw" wrote in message hlink.net... The typical foreign graduate student I knew when I was in grad school was subsidized by either his government or his family or both. Steve, things have changed considerably since the Civil War Era. Mark |
"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "David Snedeker" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Wolfgang, all I really needed to cite was your demonstrated whininess, and the overwhelming weight of that by gender would alone tip the balance to the male population. You have all the displaced cynicism of one of those who lives far too close to the 5% significant difference rule. Kissy Kissy All you had to do was cite my demonstrated whininess. Well......dang......that sure does sound like it means something. O.k., with your demonstrated expertise in teaching, it should be very simple for you to explain, even to one with my limited capacity to comprehend, exactly what that means. Dave Who confesses he gets far too much fun from poking dis cheesehead monkey. Keep on enjoying! :) Wolfgang Hummmmmm. Lets see . . . no gill damage, hook out, swirl em around a bit (cuts down the lactic acid Im told,), and off you go big fellow. Not much of a fight in him and these old ones get pretty thin by the end of the Winter, but, hey its fun and shows once again that sometimes a simple old attractor pattern works after ice-out for the slow ones. Recipe for the "Whiny Cheesehead" attractor pattern courtesy "Secret Hole. Com," Wardrobe by Poke D. Monkey. Dave |
bearsbuddy wrote:
"rw" wrote in message hlink.net... The typical foreign graduate student I knew when I was in grad school was subsidized by either his government or his family or both. Steve, things have changed considerably since the Civil War Era. Funny you should mention that. (History, I mean.) I'm reading a fascinating book about the last years of the Roman Republic. It's title is Rubicon by Tom Holland. The scary thing is that the parallels between the Roman Republic and the present-day United States are chilling. Rome in the century before Christ was a bloody, amoral, cutthroat political circus, the only superpower on Earth, enraptured with foreign adventures, cynicism, political hegemony, breath-taking greed and corruption, and all-stops-out quests for personal glory. Like the US today, the Romans failed to see themselves as they really were, and truly believed that they were the most moral civilization in history, that they only acted militarily in self defense, and that the bloody trail they left across Europe and east Asia was to the benefit of the people they conquered and enslaved. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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east Asia west Asia -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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link.net: Then when they get the refund they probably blow it on something they don't need because they're suddenly flush. Or worse ... take advances on their refund at (annualized) triple digit interest rates. |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted. Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the minority and they still have a tuition waiver. Depends on the school. I was a foreign graduate student in the US from about 1980 - 1984. The school where I did my Master's provided me with a research assistantship, and my tuition costs were 1/3 of the resident rate. I did my Doctorate at NCSU, was provided with an assistanship there, but I paid the full resident rate for tuition (at least it wasn't the non-resident rate). The amount I received during those years wasn't a great deal. It was hard to make ends meet. I still worked hard for my assistantship, and made my contribution. Sure didn't feel like I was feeding at the trough. Tim Lysyk |
"David Snedeker" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "David Snedeker" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Wolfgang, all I really needed to cite was your demonstrated whininess, and the overwhelming weight of that by gender would alone tip the balance to the male population. You have all the displaced cynicism of one of those who lives far too close to the 5% significant difference rule. Kissy Kissy All you had to do was cite my demonstrated whininess. Well......dang......that sure does sound like it means something. O.k., with your demonstrated expertise in teaching, it should be very simple for you to explain, even to one with my limited capacity to comprehend, exactly what that means. Dave Who confesses he gets far too much fun from poking dis cheesehead monkey. Keep on enjoying! :) Wolfgang Hummmmmm. Lets see . . . no gill damage, hook out, swirl em around a bit (cuts down the lactic acid Im told,), and off you go big fellow. Not much of a fight in him and these old ones get pretty thin by the end of the Winter, but, hey its fun and shows once again that sometimes a simple old attractor pattern works after ice-out for the slow ones. Recipe for the "Whiny Cheesehead" attractor pattern courtesy "Secret Hole. Com," Wardrobe by Poke D. Monkey. Dave :) |
"rw" wrote in message link.net... Those are people who don't have the discipline to control their spending, and they know it.... Say.....I'll bet you did a calculation! :) Ah, Stevie, Stevie, Stevie.......if only we could all love ourselves as much as you and Davie and Kennie do......sigh...... Wolfgang move to idaho, buy a shotgun......move to idaho, buy a shotgun......move......... |
"Wayne Knight" wrote in message oups.com... Wolfgang wrote: For many of us the difference between letting the feds hold it versus a bank is inconseqential. At 1.25% or so, the yield on $500 is small enough that even those of us with a connection to educational institutions can afford to be blasé. :) who, nevertheless, balks at letting the *******s touch anything that isn't due them. Except they get the 1.25% instead of you. :( I ain't like the rest of you guys........I got more money than God. :) Wolfgang |
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:31:52 -0400, GaryM
wrote: rw wrote in hlink.net: Then when they get the refund they probably blow it on something they don't need because they're suddenly flush. Or worse ... take advances on their refund at (annualized) triple digit interest rates. Yep, I just blow it on heat and school taxes. I'll just tell the power company and county treasurer that my money is a better investment if I stick it in an IRA rather than paying it to them. ;^) g.c. Who wonders if Wolfgang has any room in his refridgerator box under the bridge. |
"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message news:WwX8e.42295$VF5.434@edtnps89... Ken Fortenberry wrote: Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted. Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the minority and they still have a tuition waiver. Depends on the school. I was a foreign graduate student in the US from about 1980 - 1984. The school where I did my Master's provided me with a research assistantship, and my tuition costs were 1/3 of the resident rate. I did my Doctorate at NCSU, was provided with an assistanship there, but I paid the full resident rate for tuition (at least it wasn't the non-resident rate). The amount I received during those years wasn't a great deal. It was hard to make ends meet. I still worked hard for my assistantship, and made my contribution. Sure didn't feel like I was feeding at the trough. Grubs. Grubs are chock full of protein.......and they're free! :) Wolfgang and don't forget about them larvae........mmmmmmmm........larvae! |
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:31:52 -0400, GaryM wrote: rw wrote in thlink.net: Then when they get the refund they probably blow it on something they don't need because they're suddenly flush. Or worse ... take advances on their refund at (annualized) triple digit interest rates. Yep, I just blow it on heat and school taxes. I'll just tell the power company and county treasurer that my money is a better investment if I stick it in an IRA rather than paying it to them. ;^) g.c. Who wonders if Wolfgang has any room in his refridgerator box under the bridge. Gotta move fast. It's filling up quick. :) Wolfgang |
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message link.net... Those are people who don't have the discipline to control their spending, and they know it.... Say.....I'll bet you did a calculation! :) I always calculate my taxes ahead of time and prepay whatever I have to prepay to avoid penalties. I recommend that practice. If you owe more tax in one year than you owed in the previous year, there are NO PENALTIES for underwithholding. That is very, very useful if you have a good year. It saved me about $1200 this year, using your very low estimate of 1.25% return. That $1200 will just about pay for my Belize fishing trip, which I'm leaving for tomorrow morning. BTW, I've always paid every dime of taxes I owe and I've never been audited. And I support higher tax rates to reduce our ruinous Federal deficit. Ah, Stevie, Stevie, Stevie.......if only we could all love ourselves as much as you and Davie and Kennie do......sigh...... I own a shotgun, and a 30-06 rifle, and a 357 Magnum revolver. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
"rw" wrote in message link.net... ...I've always paid every dime of taxes I owe and I've never been audited. And I support higher tax rates to reduce our ruinous Federal deficit. Sigh.......our hero.......sigh. Ah, Stevie, Stevie, Stevie.......if only we could all love ourselves as much as you and Davie and Kennie do......sigh...... I own a shotgun, and a 30-06 rifle, and a 357 Magnum revolver. Use them (or one of them, anyway) wisely. Wolfgang |
"rw" wrote in message ink.net... bearsbuddy wrote: "rw" wrote in message hlink.net... The typical foreign graduate student I knew when I was in grad school was subsidized by either his government or his family or both. Steve, things have changed considerably since the Civil War Era. Funny you should mention that. (History, I mean.) I'm reading a fascinating book about the last years of the Roman Republic. It's title is Rubicon by Tom Holland. The scary thing is that the parallels between the Roman Republic and the present-day United States are chilling. Rome in the century before Christ was a bloody, amoral, cutthroat political circus, the only superpower on Earth, enraptured with foreign adventures, cynicism, political hegemony, breath-taking greed and corruption, and all-stops-out quests for personal glory. Like the US today, the Romans failed to see themselves as they really were, and truly believed that they were the most moral civilization in history, that they only acted militarily in self defense, and that the bloody trail they left across Europe and east Asia was to the benefit of the people they conquered and enslaved. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. i am in complete agreement with your assessment of this parallel. our only chance for survival, on a long term basis, is to convince minds such as timmaaay to understand the problem. wayno |
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message . com... "rw" wrote in message ink.net... bearsbuddy wrote: "rw" wrote in message hlink.net... The typical foreign graduate student I knew when I was in grad school was subsidized by either his government or his family or both. Steve, things have changed considerably since the Civil War Era. Funny you should mention that. (History, I mean.) I'm reading a fascinating book about the last years of the Roman Republic. It's title is Rubicon by Tom Holland. The scary thing is that the parallels between the Roman Republic and the present-day United States are chilling. Rome in the century before Christ was a bloody, amoral, cutthroat political circus, the only superpower on Earth, enraptured with foreign adventures, cynicism, political hegemony, breath-taking greed and corruption, and all-stops-out quests for personal glory. Like the US today, the Romans failed to see themselves as they really were, and truly believed that they were the most moral civilization in history, that they only acted militarily in self defense, and that the bloody trail they left across Europe and east Asia was to the benefit of the people they conquered and enslaved. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. i am in complete agreement with your assessment of this parallel. our only chance for survival, on a long term basis, is to convince minds such as timmaaay to understand the problem. And then kill him. :) Wolfgang um.......humanely, of course. |
"Wolfgang" wrote our only chance for survival, on a long term basis, is to convince minds such as timmaaay to understand the problem. And then kill him. :) Wolfgang um.......humanely, of course. yes, but i don't think i could bear the sounds of his screams... yfitons wayno |
Wolfgang wrote:
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message . com... "rw" wrote in message ink.net... bearsbuddy wrote: "rw" wrote in message hlink.net... The typical foreign graduate student I knew when I was in grad school was subsidized by either his government or his family or both. Steve, things have changed considerably since the Civil War Era. Funny you should mention that. (History, I mean.) I'm reading a fascinating book about the last years of the Roman Republic. It's title is Rubicon by Tom Holland. The scary thing is that the parallels between the Roman Republic and the present-day United States are chilling. Rome in the century before Christ was a bloody, amoral, cutthroat political circus, the only superpower on Earth, enraptured with foreign adventures, cynicism, political hegemony, breath-taking greed and corruption, and all-stops-out quests for personal glory. Like the US today, the Romans failed to see themselves as they really were, and truly believed that they were the most moral civilization in history, that they only acted militarily in self defense, and that the bloody trail they left across Europe and east Asia was to the benefit of the people they conquered and enslaved. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. i am in complete agreement with your assessment of this parallel. our only chance for survival, on a long term basis, is to convince minds such as timmaaay to understand the problem. Oh, I understand the problem. I just doubt we would agree on what brought us to this point, how best to remedy the situation, or what brought down the Roman Empire for that matter. We'll just have to wait until we share a stoli or two to find out. Even then I don't much care for heavy discussion, so maybe three stolis. . . And then kill him. :) Well, I'm gonna die eventually anyway. If Wolfgang (or his toadies) kills me and ofitons defends him, at least two of us will get something out of it, eh? -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote our only chance for survival, on a long term basis, is to convince minds such as timmaaay to understand the problem. And then kill him. :) Wolfgang um.......humanely, of course. yes, but i don't think i could bear the sounds of his screams... Little girls screaming bothers me, too. -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
Tim Lysyk wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Well, here at Illinois exactly zero pay anything out of their own pockets upon admission. Every single grad student in every single lab (in engineering and the hard sciences) has both a tuition waiver *AND* an assistantship of some sort that pays them a pittance upon admission or they wouldn't be admitted. Some elect to drop their assistantships after awhile if they can afford the luxury of just taking classes but they are the minority and they still have a tuition waiver. Depends on the school. I was a foreign graduate student in the US from about 1980 - 1984. The school where I did my Master's provided me with a research assistantship, and my tuition costs were 1/3 of the resident rate. I did my Doctorate at NCSU, was provided with an assistanship there, but I paid the full resident rate for tuition (at least it wasn't the non-resident rate). The amount I received during those years wasn't a great deal. It was hard to make ends meet. I still worked hard for my assistantship, and made my contribution. Sure didn't feel like I was feeding at the trough. I was talking about Asians and Indians and engineering and computer science, not Canadians and entomology. If you had pursued a doctorate in entomology here at UI your education would have been subsidized by the manufacturers of pesticides more so than the US taxpayer. But you'd have still been feeding at somebodies trough. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Tim J. wrote:
Oh, I understand the problem. I just doubt we would agree on what brought us to this point, how best to remedy the situation, or what brought down the Roman Empire for that matter. I don't think you do understand the problem. The Roman Empire carried on for several centuries after the collapse of the Roman Republic. Imperial Rome was not the same thing as republican Rome. We have a republic, at the moment. The problem is (following the historical parallel), will we want or need or be forced to accept a Caesar? -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote in message ink.net... Funny you should mention that. (History, I mean.) I'm reading a fascinating book about the last years of the Roman Republic. It's title is Rubicon by Tom Holland. The scary thing is that the parallels between the Roman Republic and the present-day United States are chilling. Rome in the century before Christ was a bloody, amoral, cutthroat political circus, the only superpower on Earth, enraptured with foreign adventures, cynicism, political hegemony, breath-taking greed and corruption, and all-stops-out quests for personal glory. Like the US today, the Romans failed to see themselves as they really were, and truly believed that they were the most moral civilization in history, that they only acted militarily in self defense, and that the bloody trail they left across Europe and east Asia was to the benefit of the people they conquered and enslaved. I'll look for it. Presently, I'm reading Ghost Wars by Steve Coll. I just finished Sorrows of the Empire, by Chalmers Johnson; The End of the American Era, by Charles A. Kupchan; and Hegemony or Survival, by Noam Chomsky. "Frontline" has run several excellent documentaries of late. All empires seem to end in a very similar fashion--DEFEATED! Mark |
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