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Dave LaCourse November 18th, 2005 05:06 AM

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On 17 Nov 2005 16:05:51 -0800, wrote:

though a missing parent might mean death for for baby fish.


You have to either be a moron or a troll.

The "parents" of baby fish will EAT them, given the chance. And if
the baby fish grow bigger and stronger they some day may eat their
"parents". It is one helluva cruel world underneath that water.

wayno said it best: Soup Sandwich

Dave (who has yet to devour one of his offspring)






Daniel-San November 18th, 2005 05:36 AM

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barry wrote...

All I know about fly fishing is that you need little hairy things
called flies. I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.



Hairy things? WTF? What's wrong with being a little more hairy than the next
guy? Jeez. Now I'm gonna be used to catch a fish....

Berry, you're a nutjob. Coming close to world-class level. Maybe you mean
well. Hell, I dunno. If you want to have some real fun, find a hunting NG
and start telling everyone how Bambi hates the arrow that suddenly got
shoved where the sun don't shine.

As an aside -- it's nuts like yourself, Berry (I'll call you 'Boysen' -- one
of my faves) that give the far right political wing all the leverage they
need.

"Damned liberals want to outlaw fishing. That ain't right!"
"Better vote for GOPCO's nominee. They'll let us fish in peace And hunt,
too. Nevermind the insidious intrusion of religion into our private lives."

Learn to pick your battles. And, while I'm a layman, I'd really suggest that
you get some therapy.

Dan
Yes, the spelling was intentional.



Cyli November 18th, 2005 05:42 AM

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On 17 Nov 2005 16:05:51 -0800, wrote:


(Snipped)

you don't have to throw out every other important detail from me
and from the woman I quoted.


There were no important details, Sally / Barry. Take my word for it.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli November 18th, 2005 05:52 AM

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On 17 Nov 2005 18:23:36 -0800, wrote:

Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish. That's all I'm
saying. Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked. I was just mentioning that someone said it works.



Sally / Barry, here in Minnesota we have a fly fishing season that's
open January through about the first of April in the few trout streams
that don't ice _completely_ over.

THE FISH COME OUT OF WATER THAT"S GOT ICE IN IT, DOLT. Since it's a
catch and release season, they go right back in the water. And swim
happily away. You can't kill a trout by dumping it in ice water. You
can do a mercy kill on the fish from your aquarium that way, as
they're mostly tropicals, but not sturdy, hardy northern fish.

The reason you're getting answers that lack respect is that you
deserve them. You're neither respectable in your views of fish and
fishing nor respectful of others. Go now.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Cyli November 18th, 2005 05:54 AM

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On 17 Nov 2005 18:11:51 -0800, "riverman" wrote:

(Snipped)

I'll ensure the gas in my car that I use to get
to the stream was from US fuel reserves


Isn't it going to cost you extra to have that imported to your
locality? Whichever foreign one you happen to be in at any given
moment?

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

[email protected] November 18th, 2005 05:58 AM

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Daniel-San wrote:
barry wrote...

All I know about fly fishing is that you need little hairy things
called flies. I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.



Hairy things? WTF? What's wrong with being a little more hairy than the next
guy? Jeez. Now I'm gonna be used to catch a fish....

Berry, you're a nutjob....And, while I'm a layman, I'd really suggest that
you get some therapy.


What are you talking about? I think I've seen "flies" sold for fishing,
and I thought they were hairy. Yeah, like these:
http://www.sea-ex.com/simkan/gallery.htm


[email protected] November 18th, 2005 06:10 AM

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Cyli wrote:

THE FISH COME OUT OF WATER THAT"S GOT ICE IN IT, DOLT. Since it's a
catch and release season, they go right back in the water. And swim
happily away. You can't kill a trout by dumping it in ice water. You
can do a mercy kill on the fish from your aquarium that way, as
they're mostly tropicals, but not sturdy, hardy northern fish.


The reason you're getting answers that lack respect is that you
deserve them. You're neither respectable in your views of fish and
fishing nor respectful of others. Go now.


Again, I need an example of my disrespect. Remember to consider what
I'm replying to.

Catch and release isn't what I had in mind, so maybe this doesn't
apply. For other fishing, the ice is meant to anesthetize the fish, as
it says in the original post. If a fish won't stay in the icy container
you put it in, then it won't work, though I'm thinking you can cover it
or use a deep container. If it doesn't work, that doesn't make me a
dolt. It make me someone who wants to prevent thousands of cases of
suffering per day, and the lack of support here, and lack of complaints
about people like you makes this newsgroup suck.


[email protected] November 18th, 2005 06:14 AM

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On 17 Nov 2005 16:05:51 -0800, wrote:

though a missing parent might mean death for for baby fish.


You have to either be a moron or a troll.

The "parents" of baby fish will EAT them, given the chance. And if
the baby fish grow bigger and stronger they some day may eat their
"parents". It is one helluva cruel world underneath that water.


It's a helluva big world underneath that water too, and I doubt what
you say is true for all fish, but after the sentence you quoted I said
I don't really know enough about fish to know. I'm a moron or troll for
that?


riverman November 18th, 2005 07:22 AM

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Not knowing and not caring are different things. Do you care if the
grass hurts when you walk on it? Do you care if a housefly suffers
needlessly when its plastered up against the sunny window in your
kitchen? Do you care how the WORM feels when its being dangled in front
of the fish?

Pain and suffering are a reality of life for every single species of
animal life on the planet. Humans may be unique in their ability to
reduce pain for humankind; that makes our particular trait rather
unnatural. To grant this to pets and other animals we have made a
personal bond to is touching, but a bit specie-centric. To extend this
to fish you are catching with the intent to kill and eat would be way
outside the rules of nature, it seems to me. They wouldn't do it for
us.

--riverman


riverman November 18th, 2005 07:23 AM

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On 17 Nov 2005 18:11:51 -0800, "riverman" wrote:


(Snipped)



I'll ensure the gas in my car that I use to get
to the stream was from US fuel reserves



Isn't it going to cost you extra to have that imported to your
locality? Whichever foreign one you happen to be in at any given
moment?


Not really. In the World According To Bush, its ALL ours. :-)

--riverman


riverman November 18th, 2005 07:28 AM

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"It make me someone who wants to prevent thousands of cases of
suffering per day..."

Thousands?? I bet the number is closer to the tens of millions, if you
consider all those deep see trawlers. Hmmm, where are they going to get
all that ice...

"...and the lack of support here, and lack of complaints
about people like you makes this newsgroup suck."

Soupsandwich, I suggest you don't let the swinging door hit you on the
ass on the way out. There may be a bug on it that would suffer
needlessly.

--riverman


Cyli November 18th, 2005 08:22 AM

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On 17 Nov 2005 21:51:29 -0800, wrote:

Cyli wrote:

There were no important details, Sally / Barry. Take my word for it.


Sorry, you'll actually have to point out something I said and argue
against it.


Not if I regard what you said as unworthy of discussion and you as an
unworthy person to discuss things.

Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

riverman November 18th, 2005 10:02 AM

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So whats the game? It didn't sell over at talk.politics.animal, so you
posted it here to see if you could get a rise?

http://tinyurl.com/cp2zw

--riverman


Thomas Littleton November 18th, 2005 10:38 AM

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wrote in message
Sorry, you'll actually have to point out something I said and argue
against it. Don't you think it's good to know that ice could
anesthetize fish? Do you think that fish suffer when they're dying
after being caught?


dude, you've spent the better part of a day making it perfectly clear that
you have no clue what we do, and how. Perhaps an ice bucket to anesthetize
you before you babble more might be an idea....no, wait,
this thread is too much fun, and the weekend reading might be priceless!g
Tom



[email protected] November 18th, 2005 10:39 AM

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riverman wrote:
So whats the game? It didn't sell over at talk.politics.animal, so you
posted it here to see if you could get a rise?


I'm not looking for a rise. I'm just posting it in appropriate
newsgroups. I think there might be one more, but cross-posting is
frowned upon, and I've been rethinking the ideas about what's least
painful. Maybe I'd ice the fish, then cut of it's head while it's
alive, but I don't think that's what Sarah Fox suggested (I wish Google
Groups would let me review the thread as I'm replying). Too bad there's
no official word on what's best.

And yes, I give insects at least a little thought too. If I squish
them, I squish them extra hard, and I still wonder if I'm doing the
right thing. I wish that was seen as too cruel rather than too
bug-loving. I won't worry about plants until I hear that they might
suffer.


Wolfgang November 18th, 2005 11:09 AM

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wrote in message
ups.com...
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.


Or much of anything else, for that matter.


I doubt that ANYONE here believes that. Certainly nobody who matters.


Well, that raises an interesting question. Who among us really does matter?
I mean, I'm perfectly willing to concede your point......nobody who believes
what I say matters. But then we find ourselves in the rather peculiar
position of having to admit that there are particular people who are worth
less than ANY fish, ALL of which we KNOW matter, else why would we be
concerned about easing their path into that good night, right? But wait!
Common sense dictates that agreeing with me on one minor issue (after all,
the nature, volume, condition, or psig of what resides between your ears is
not likely to be regarded as an issue of great import by any thinking
person) can hardly be the only test by which an individual's worth can be
determined. There must be someone....somewhere....who isn't even aware of
what I think about all of this. So, what test shall we apply in these
cases? I sure wish you would help me out here.

Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.


Maybe you should re-read the replies in this thread. There's nothing
remotely formal about it.


Exactly! That's my point! In all of these casual encounters, nobody pays
much attention to the time honored niceties of the ettiquette of killing
precisely because they ARE casual. It's just another example of the
pervasive erosion of civility that follows inevitably from the blithe
acceptance of an increasingly permissive society. I swear to you that if
you would simply bend your considerable intellect and energies to the formal
introduction of fishermen (and women, let us not forget) to their partners
in this dance of death (the fish, in case you've lost track) you would see
an immediate difference. Implausible it may seem, but I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if, once they got to know one another as individuals, they didn't
soon cease these senseless hostilities and, recognizing one another's worth,
decided to have crumpets together instead.

If my posts don't apply to the fisherman
here,


We'll ask him......as soon as he arrives. You see, he isn't actually here
right now. As a matter of fact, we haven't heard much from him at all
lately. We're starting to get a little worried. :(

they're still fishing related.


Who could doubt it? Has anyone said they are not? If so, name the bounder
and I will personally see to it that he is severely chastized and/or
rebuked.

Maybe people should pass on the
information instead of calling me sandwich names.


Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but I think just about everyone
here has already passed on the information. That's sort of what they've
been trying to tell you. Oh, and a rube is not a sandwich......you're
probably confusing it with a Reuben.

As for riverman's comments below (if you're reading this by date),


I'm actually reading this by candlelight, but I don't think that should make
a great deal of difference. Please, do go on.

you'd think I was asking people to actually go out of their way for
something. Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish.


Actually, you ARE asking people to go out of their way. Streamside ice
machines may be a common feature where you live, but here in the upper Great
Lakes region they just haven't caught on.......yet. As things stand (by
date) a fisherman (or woman) here would have to walk all the way out of the
stream, climb up an often slippery bank (the stairs are typically in a
terrible state of repair due to budget cuts), and stumble around in the
woods for miles and hours searching for the nearest ice. Well, actually,
it's not all that bad in the winter......but in July or August scaling the
fish would be moot by the time a sufficent quantity of ice could be found.
And THEN there's still the problem of carrying sufficient loose change to
plug into the machine.....IF it's even working!

That's all I'm saying.


It's enough.....believe me. Um......oh yeah, I guess that puts us right
back where we started, huh?

Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked.


Attacked? Oh, dear Sparky, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. :)

I was just mentioning that someone said it works.


Oh.....well.....if that's all......

Wolfgang



Wolfgang November 18th, 2005 11:17 AM

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wrote in message
oups.com...
...I won't worry about plants until I hear that they might
suffer.


I can hear broccoli scream when I drop it in boiling water. This is why I
always put it in ice cold water and then heat it very slowly over a low
flame. It takes an hour or so for it to come to a boil. The broccoli never
knows what hits it. :)

Baby lima beans cry when I eat their parents. :(

Wolfgang



Wolfgang November 18th, 2005 11:49 AM

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...

Dave (who has yet to devour one of his offspring)


Neptune......being ironic. :)

Wolfgang
goya knew.



rw November 18th, 2005 11:57 AM

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Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Wolfgang wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...


I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.

Or much of anything else, for that matter.


I doubt that ANYONE here believes that. Certainly nobody who matters.



Well, that raises an interesting question. Who among us really does matter?
I mean, I'm perfectly willing to concede your point......nobody who believes
what I say matters. But then we find ourselves in the rather peculiar
position of having to admit that there are particular people who are worth
less than ANY fish, ALL of which we KNOW matter, else why would we be
concerned about easing their path into that good night, right? But wait!
Common sense dictates that agreeing with me on one minor issue (after all,
the nature, volume, condition, or psig of what resides between your ears is
not likely to be regarded as an issue of great import by any thinking
person) can hardly be the only test by which an individual's worth can be
determined. There must be someone....somewhere....who isn't even aware of
what I think about all of this. So, what test shall we apply in these
cases? I sure wish you would help me out here.


Maybe you could make formal introductions. That's always helped a lot in
social encounters in my experience.


Maybe you should re-read the replies in this thread. There's nothing
remotely formal about it.



Exactly! That's my point! In all of these casual encounters, nobody pays
much attention to the time honored niceties of the ettiquette of killing
precisely because they ARE casual. It's just another example of the
pervasive erosion of civility that follows inevitably from the blithe
acceptance of an increasingly permissive society. I swear to you that if
you would simply bend your considerable intellect and energies to the formal
introduction of fishermen (and women, let us not forget) to their partners
in this dance of death (the fish, in case you've lost track) you would see
an immediate difference. Implausible it may seem, but I wouldn't be a bit
surprised if, once they got to know one another as individuals, they didn't
soon cease these senseless hostilities and, recognizing one another's worth,
decided to have crumpets together instead.


If my posts don't apply to the fisherman
here,



We'll ask him......as soon as he arrives. You see, he isn't actually here
right now. As a matter of fact, we haven't heard much from him at all
lately. We're starting to get a little worried. :(


they're still fishing related.



Who could doubt it? Has anyone said they are not? If so, name the bounder
and I will personally see to it that he is severely chastized and/or
rebuked.


Maybe people should pass on the
information instead of calling me sandwich names.



Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but I think just about everyone
here has already passed on the information. That's sort of what they've
been trying to tell you. Oh, and a rube is not a sandwich......you're
probably confusing it with a Reuben.


As for riverman's comments below (if you're reading this by date),



I'm actually reading this by candlelight, but I don't think that should make
a great deal of difference. Please, do go on.


you'd think I was asking people to actually go out of their way for
something. Just put some freaking ice in the water and you could
prevent the pain of suffocation, or club the fish.



Actually, you ARE asking people to go out of their way. Streamside ice
machines may be a common feature where you live, but here in the upper Great
Lakes region they just haven't caught on.......yet. As things stand (by
date) a fisherman (or woman) here would have to walk all the way out of the
stream, climb up an often slippery bank (the stairs are typically in a
terrible state of repair due to budget cuts), and stumble around in the
woods for miles and hours searching for the nearest ice. Well, actually,
it's not all that bad in the winter......but in July or August scaling the
fish would be moot by the time a sufficent quantity of ice could be found.
And THEN there's still the problem of carrying sufficient loose change to
plug into the machine.....IF it's even working!


That's all I'm saying.



It's enough.....believe me. Um......oh yeah, I guess that puts us right
back where we started, huh?


Actually, I wasn't even saying anyone should do that until I
was attacked.



Attacked? Oh, dear Sparky, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. :)


I was just mentioning that someone said it works.



Oh.....well.....if that's all......

Wolfgang



Never argue with a fool. Others might not be able to tell the difference.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang November 18th, 2005 12:01 PM

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"rw" wrote in message
k.net...

Never argue with a fool. Others might not be able to tell the difference.


Hee, hee, hee.

Wolfgang
wondering what descriptive label one might profitably apply to one who WILL
NOT learn. :)



Jeff Miller November 18th, 2005 12:10 PM

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jeffc wrote:

... The fish went
from stringer to cleaning table and immediately into the bucket, still alive
but without their flesh.



jeez...you haven't been married long enough to be writing stuff like
that. wait a few more years and you'll be in the "still alive but
without their soul" stage.

jeff (who'd be amazed to see a fleshless fish swimmin in a bucket...but
who has seen numerous mindless humans who shoulda been "skinned".)

Wolfgang November 18th, 2005 12:17 PM

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:Fwjff.25141$0l5.14998@dukeread06...
jeffc wrote:

... The fish went from stringer to cleaning table and immediately into
the bucket, still alive but without their flesh.


jeez...you haven't been married long enough to be writing stuff like that.
wait a few more years and you'll be in the "still alive but without their
soul" stage.

jeff (who'd be amazed to see a fleshless fish swimmin in a bucket...but
who has seen numerous mindless humans who shoulda been "skinned".)


I once saw a gutless fish swimming.....well, finning and holding it's
position in a stream.

Wolfgang
who will forego commenting on the too too obvious human parallels. :)



asadi November 18th, 2005 12:49 PM

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wrote in message
oups.com...
Cyli wrote:

THE FISH COME OUT OF WATER THAT"S GOT ICE IN IT, DOLT. Since it's a
catch and release season, they go right back in the water. And swim
happily away. You can't kill a trout by dumping it in ice water. You
can do a mercy kill on the fish from your aquarium that way, as
they're mostly tropicals, but not sturdy, hardy northern fish.


The reason you're getting answers that lack respect is that you
deserve them. You're neither respectable in your views of fish and
fishing nor respectful of others. Go now.


Again, I need an example of my disrespect. Remember to consider what
I'm replying to.

Catch and release isn't what I had in mind, so maybe this doesn't
apply. For other fishing, the ice is meant to anesthetize the fish, as
it says in the original post. If a fish won't stay in the icy container
you put it in, then it won't work, though I'm thinking you can cover it
or use a deep container. If it doesn't work, that doesn't make me a
dolt. It make me someone who wants to prevent thousands of cases of
suffering per day, and the lack of support here, and lack of complaints
about people like you makes this newsgroup suck.


Thousands of cases of suffering....? This group sucks - for you , because
this is the wrong group to talk about killing fish.

john



Stan Gula November 18th, 2005 01:19 PM

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jeffc wrote:
... The fish went
from stringer to cleaning table and immediately into the bucket, still

alive
but without their flesh.


Jeff Miller wrote:
jeez...you haven't been married long enough to be writing stuff like
that. wait a few more years and you'll be in the "still alive but
without their soul" stage.


Cold, cold, cold. Good thing my coffee cooled down because that would have
been a painful splork.

Still wondering why people are messing with this troll.

--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps
(hairy little flies, and some big ones too, but no soup sandwiches for you!)



Frank Reid November 18th, 2005 01:26 PM

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I think its because either he is either the most clueless person we've
ever encountered on this newsgroup or we are being toyed with by
greatness. If its the former, its kinda like poking an anthill with a
stick (black ants, not red). If its the latter, I want to be his
agent.
Frank Reid


Conan The Librarian November 18th, 2005 01:32 PM

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wrote:

I'm not looking for a rise. I'm just posting it in appropriate
newsgroups. I think there might be one more, but cross-posting is
frowned upon, and I've been rethinking the ideas about what's least
painful.


Trust me, there are plenty of other groups that would just love to
read your original troll.

Well, lookee here, I found a thread that might interest you. Too
bad it's old:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?U22B42E2C

Maybe I'd ice the fish, then cut of it's head while it's
alive, but I don't think that's what Sarah Fox suggested (I wish Google
Groups would let me review the thread as I'm replying). Too bad there's
no official word on what's best.


"Officials" have better things to do than sit around and wonder if
baby fishes are traumatized when mama and papa fish are taken away, or
if a fish would prefer to be thrown in a bucket of ice water.

A question for you: Did you know that big fish eat little fish?

And yes, I give insects at least a little thought too. If I squish
them, I squish them extra hard, and I still wonder if I'm doing the
right thing. I wish that was seen as too cruel rather than too
bug-loving. I won't worry about plants until I hear that they might
suffer.


I always put my tomatoes in an ice water bath as soon as I pull them
from the vine. You just can't be too careful these days.


Chuck Vance (supporting a kinder, gentler salad)

[email protected] November 18th, 2005 01:43 PM

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On 17 Nov 2005 22:10:31 -0800, wrote:

Again, I need an example of my disrespect.


Well, first, not so much as a "by your leave, your most serene Grace,"
and then, SOMEONE forgot to curtsy...and I don't mean one of those rude
little hardly noticeable knee-flex moves, I mean a real honest-to-God,
presented-to-the-Queen debutante-shaming curtsy....



Wolfgang November 18th, 2005 01:57 PM

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"Stan Gula" wrote in message
news:hxkff.15618$Sb.2306@trndny06...

...Still wondering why people are messing with this troll.


Mallory.....the mountain.....all that. :)

Wolfgang




Dave LaCourse November 18th, 2005 02:08 PM

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On 17 Nov 2005 22:14:05 -0800, wrote:

and I doubt what
you say is true for all fish


Ah, yes. I can see it now. Mama Trout watching her eggs turn into
iddy biddy fishes and she says to Dada Trout. "Oh, look. She has
your ears and my eyes and nose. We'll name her Henrietta after you
and me."

Once the eggs are hatched, the "parents" could shif a git what happens
to them, and when a baby trout (baby?) gets to be a little bigger, say
two inches, Mama or Dada would eat it in a NY second. *Now* we're
talking about pain.




[email protected] November 18th, 2005 02:39 PM

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On 18 Nov 2005 05:26:09 -0800, "Frank Reid"
wrote:

I think its because either he is either the most clueless person we've
ever encountered on this newsgroup or we are being toyed with by
greatness. If its the former, its kinda like poking an anthill with a
stick (black ants, not red). If its the latter, I want to be his
agent.


Um, assuming it to be only one or the other, what difference does it
make as far as all the conversation/arguing with and/or "explaining
things" to good ol' Barry the compassionate? "Barry" got what "he"
wanted the instant anything was taken (even the least bit)
seriously...and speaking of clueless, let's look back, shall we?

wiggly picture-wiggly picture-wiggly picture

"I found this on the web, but it's not there anymore for anyone to check
or anything. I don't really fish...well, except a couple times and
there was this high-dollar eel...anyway, so I thought I'd preserve this
venerable scre...er, treatise somehow, and so, TA-DA!!! HERE I IS!!!"
(picture a transsexual with an ice chest full of fish popping out of a
cake if it'll help - it probably won't...)

And thus, spaketh the Lord, the battle was joined -
Extra Consonants 12,945:1-3
"And amongeth them were brave ROFFian soldiers who stepped uppeth to
engageth, correct and otherwiseth educateth the interloper..."

Might I suggest yet a third possibility? Have you considered clueless
versus clueless? Not naming any names, mind you, merely suggesting the
concept for your consideration....

HTH (no, really),
R

Tom Nakashima November 18th, 2005 03:01 PM

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...

Ah, yes. I can see it now. Mama Trout watching her eggs turn into
iddy biddy fishes and she says to Dada Trout. "Oh, look. She has
your ears and my eyes and nose. We'll name her Henrietta after you
and me."


Tobiko!
http://www.origamirestaurant.com/sus...ned_tobiko.jpg
guys are making me hungry now.
-tom



Daniel-San November 18th, 2005 03:19 PM

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barry wrote ...
Daniel-San wrote:
barry wrote...

All I know about fly fishing is that you need little hairy things
called flies. I didn't have catch and release fisherman or wading in
mind.



Hairy things? WTF? What's wrong with being a little more hairy than the
next
guy? Jeez. Now I'm gonna be used to catch a fish....

Berry, you're a nutjob....And, while I'm a layman, I'd really suggest
that
you get some therapy.


What are you talking about? I think I've seen "flies" sold for fishing,
and I thought they were hairy. Yeah, like these:
http://www.sea-ex.com/simkan/gallery.htm



Boysen,

That's called sarcasm. Admittedly a rather weak version thereof, but sarcasm
nonetheless.

As far as trolls go, I have to give you some credit. Even the legendary
Vandetroll on RB usually only replies once or twice to his diatribes. Then
he calls everyone a liar and loses interest. You, OTOH, have some staying
power. You've replied to almost everyone. Impressive.

You either feign ignorance in order to promulgate this 'ice is nicer' line,
or you truly are ignorant. Either way, you're a nutjob. Go find a PETA
meeting and talk about fish families. Someone there will surely give you a
shoulder to cry on. Maybe more. Just be careful -- given the author of your
OP, you never know what you'll find.

Dan
"I know all I need to know about the Crying Game.... "




asadi November 18th, 2005 04:15 PM

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
...I won't worry about plants until I hear that they might
suffer.


I can hear broccoli scream when I drop it in boiling water. This is why I
always put it in ice cold water and then heat it very slowly over a low
flame. It takes an hour or so for it to come to a boil. The broccoli
never knows what hits it. :)

Baby lima beans cry when I eat their parents. :(

Wolfgang


I tried to hard boil an egg in the microwave. When it blew, grown chickens
were weeping....

john



Conan The Librarian November 18th, 2005 04:21 PM

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asadi wrote:

I tried to hard boil an egg in the microwave. When it blew, grown chickens
were weeping....


Babykiller!


Chuck Vance

Frank Reid November 18th, 2005 06:10 PM

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Well Tom, seems like you're just trying to stir the controversy pot.
There are some that enjoy tobiko and others, namely most of the catch
and release fishermen here in this group that thinks tobiko is
unethical and would rather just head out in the stream and go fish.
Its a Roe V. Wade kinda thing.

Frank Reid
(who's been waiting years for this opportunity)


Tom Nakashima November 18th, 2005 06:53 PM

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"Frank Reid" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well Tom, seems like you're just trying to stir the controversy pot.
There are some that enjoy tobiko and others, namely most of the catch
and release fishermen here in this group that thinks tobiko is
unethical and would rather just head out in the stream and go fish.
Its a Roe V. Wade kinda thing.

Frank Reid
(who's been waiting years for this opportunity)


Frank, I'm sending Senator D. Feinstein (D) to awake you in your deepest
sleep to discuss this matter on Roe vs. Wade. Make sure you have a good
fresh catch on hand, cause she loves raw fish.

btw, the spell check for tobiko is tobacco.
-tom



Wayne Knight November 18th, 2005 08:55 PM

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Frank Reid wrote:

Its a Roe V. Wade kinda thing.


What does evacuating New Orleans have to do with this?


Tom Nakashima November 18th, 2005 09:39 PM

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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
ups.com...

Frank Reid wrote:

Its a Roe V. Wade kinda thing.


What does evacuating New Orleans have to do with this?


It was Miss V. Roe who had to wade out to the rescue team when her house was
flooded in New Orleans.
-tom



[email protected] November 18th, 2005 10:51 PM

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I must thank you all for making my argument that the industry can't
effectively self-regulate or even be trusted to provide guidelines for
the least painful method of handling fish. I'll be using this in the
future.


Dave LaCourse November 18th, 2005 11:27 PM

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:01:08 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Tobiko!
http://www.origamirestaurant.com/sus...ned_tobiko.jpg
guys are making me hungry now.


While stationed 15 miles west of Yokohama in the 50s, I ate sushi
before it became a popular U.S. dish, and yes, that included the eggs.
But my favorite Japanese food was pizza from the Marko Polo Restaurant
in Chinatown, Yokohama, with its "mystery" meat on top. It was
supposed to be pepperoni, but it only *resembled* pepperoni. It was
the only pizza joint in Yokohama.




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