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"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming. You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.

You have accepted that CO2 is the
culprit at this time and your mind is now closed.

Rather, the truth has filtered in. Until someone can provide some reasonable
alternative hypothesis, or find a flaw in the science, the facts are not in
debate, though they may be challenged by children such as yourself who know
nothing and cannot understand the flaws in their own 'arguments'.

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"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.

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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:
It is all so simple. That is why there is total agreement on the causes of
Global Warming.


As much as on, say, evolution.

"Eric Swanson" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


"Coby Beck" wrote ...
"Bill McKee" wrote ...

[cut]

CO2 a adjunct. If it was so simple, then all the scientists, or at
least a supra majority could agree on the causes.

It is not simple, but it is reasonably well understood. And lets see,
NOAA,
GISS, IPCC, BAS, EPA, NAS, RS of UK, and every other major scientific
institution and 95+% of atmospheric, oceanic and climate scientists do
believe that anthropogenic CO2 is driving the current global warming, so
the
agreement you seek is already here.

Maybe it is the fact that we are overdue for a magnetic poll shift and
more UV is reaching the earth. You only want to believe in your preset
ideas. You are not open to real science.

Present some.


You present proof that CO2 is the culprit. Not someone's opinion. And
since we have had global warming and global cooling cycles longer than
homo-sapiens has been here, prove that the CO2 is the cause, and not the
sun
cycles, etc. You give a lot more power to man than we have. One large
volcanic eruption dumps more chemicals into the atmosphere than man has
done
in the last 100 years. Krakatoa caused freezing temps in July in the
mid-west. There is nothing that I could say or post to change your mind.
You have accepted junk science and your mind is locked.

Yes there are long term cycles, but they have been shown to correlate with
changes in the Earth's orbit and the Earth's tilt axis, etc. The results
of
these changes in the overall forcing is thought to have produced the Ice
Ages.

Changes in atmospheric CO2 levels in preindustrial times were not the
cause
but the result of the orbital cycles, amplifying the effects of the
orbital
changes. It's been sugested that man's changes to the Earth's surface by
clearing forests and planting rice crops may have influenced climate over
the Holocene, but these have no where near the impact of our present
activities.

That comment about CO2 emissions from volcanos has been shown to be wrong
numerous times. The SO2 which is blasted into the stratosphere does tend
to
cool things for a few years, with the Tambora eruption in 1815 being
blamed
for the "Year without Summer" in 1816. Were you thinking of that blast
when you
claimed that Krakatoa produced summer freezing? BTW, the Little Ice Age
may
have been partly the result of an increase in the frequency of large
volcanic
events, such as in 1459 and 1601, etc. For what it's worth, I think the
Vikings in Greenland may have died out from the effects of the 1459 event.

--
Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------

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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's as
settled as anything gets in science.


You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.


I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

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In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
. ..
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.


Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

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"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.


Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering, and
bioengineering. If you are a scientist, you are incompetent. The Kyoto
group were all "scientists" The sciences of Psychology, etc.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering, and
bioengineering.

What scientific evidence of anthropogenic global warming would you consider
convincing?

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")

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Bill McKee wrote

Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering,

You must have skipped over the thermodynamics
and infrared spectroscopy of poyatomic molecules part.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net

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Bill McKee wrote:
"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have
presented references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the
causes.


Wrong, big time.

The "did not" response is typical of children who cannot give arguments or
rational explanations for their fantasies. The facts under discussion would
require actually referencing the science or at least an authoritative
condensation such as http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm.

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"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have
presented references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the
causes.


Wrong, big time.

The "did not" response is typical of children who cannot give arguments or
rational explanations for their fantasies. The facts under discussion
would
require actually referencing the science or at least an authoritative
condensation such as http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm.



And the first part of the summary negates the complete paper!

"Projects scenarios of future climate change using a wide range of models of
future emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols"

The total focus is on greenhouse gases and aerosols. Not what is the actual
global warming and what are the causes. There is no mention of sun
activity, or ocean temp cycles (El Ninos, La Ninas), Magnetic field affects.
Is a biased report. If you did that in university, you would not receive an
A.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
The "did not" response is typical of children who cannot give arguments
or
rational explanations for their fantasies. The facts under discussion
would
require actually referencing the science or at least an authoritative
condensation such as http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm.



And the first part of the summary negates the complete paper!

"Projects scenarios of future climate change using a wide range of models
of future emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols"

The total focus is on greenhouse gases and aerosols. Not what is the
actual global warming and what are the causes. There is no mention of sun
activity, or ocean temp cycles (El Ninos, La Ninas), Magnetic field
affects. Is a biased report. If you did that in university, you would not
receive an A.

I must say, Bill, that is remarkably lame.
Here's the TOC:

1 The Climate System: an Overview
2 Observed Climate Variability and Change
3 The Carbon Cycle and Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
4 Atmospheric Chemistry and Greenhouse Gases
5 Aerosols, their Direct and Indirect Effects
6 Radiative Forcing of Climate Change
7 Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks
8 Model Evaluation
9 Projections of Future Climate Change
10 Regional Climate Information – Evaluation and Projections
11 Changes in Sea Level
12 Detection of Climate Change and Attribution of Causes
13 Climate Scenario Development
14 Advancing Our Understanding


--
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(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")

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In article et,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"NobodyYouKnow" wrote in message
m...
Bill McKee wrote:
"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and
then tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple

Not simple, but definitive.

then there would be no argument on
the causes of Global Warming.

There aren't. Most of the debate in the sciences is in the effect on
climate, since there has been little doubt of the warming or the causes.


Wrong, big time.


Bill, you are not a scientist. A number of us here are, including myself.
Check out the scientific literature, check out the scientific agencies and
groups. There really is no debate about the cause.

Actually I am scientifically trained. My degrees are in engineering,

As I said, you're no scientist. Engineering is no more science than a car
mechanic is an automotive engineer.

and
bioengineering. If you are a scientist, you are incompetent. The Kyoto
group were all "scientists" The sciences of Psychology, etc.

You are lying. Look at the scientific literature. And are you claiming the
National Academy of Sciences is incompetent? NASA?

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"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that
deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to
have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at
what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's as
settled as anything gets in science.


You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.


I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

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Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net

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wrote in message
ups.com...

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net


I haven't burned any insulation... :-)

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Stinkweed wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that

deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to
have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at
what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's as
settled as anything gets in science.

You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

To give you another analogy, put your butt on the radiator and your
head out the window. You are freezing, but globally you are warming.

As in real estate, location is everything in local temperature.

josh halpern

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"Joshua Halpern" wrote in message
news:ZSXmf.16918$7r6.16389@trnddc07...
Stinkweed wrote:
"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Coby Beck" wrote in message I have presented
references to all the best scientific organizations that

deal with climate. You don't read it, call it "junk science" and then
tell *me* that *my* mind is locked?? Very rich...

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")



As I repeat, if it was so simple then there would be no argument on the
causes of Global Warming.

There are still some who argue for creationism. You're never going to
have
100% agreement. But if you read the scientific literature and look at
what
agencies like NAS, IPCC, NASA, NOAA, EPA, andf AGu say, you'll see it's
as
settled as anything gets in science.

You have accepted that CO2 is the culprit at this
time and your mind is now closed.

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate,
generally January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally
don't have the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global
Warming right now!
To give you another analogy, put your butt on the radiator and your
head out the window. You are freezing, but globally you are warming.

As in real estate, location is everything in local temperature.

josh halpern

But I don't have a radiator and there is no way I am putting my head out the
window, it is cold out there and besides, haven't you looked at the price of
gas lately. If you pay my gas bill I will do it though. ;-) I don't know
why I said that, I won't, it is cold out there.
OK I understand what you are saying, I am just being Stinkweed. I will
leave you all alone and let you continue your debate. Just thought I would
lighten it up a bit. Hope I didn't offend anyone. ;-)

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Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate, generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

I haven't burned any insulation...

Then you are a liar. Plastic insulation is made from oil.

When you burn oil, you are removing it from
the future reservoir of cheap plastic insulation.

It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, only worse.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net

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wrote in message
oups.com...

Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who
is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where
I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate,
generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't
have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming
right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

I haven't burned any insulation...

Then you are a liar. Plastic insulation is made from oil.

When you burn oil, you are removing it from
the future reservoir of cheap plastic insulation.

It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, only worse.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net


How do you suggest I heat my house? Bear in mind you are talking to a lady.

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Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know who
is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off where
I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate,
generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally don't
have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming
right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

I haven't burned any insulation...

Then you are a liar. Plastic insulation is made from oil.

When you burn oil, you are removing it from
the future reservoir of cheap plastic insulation.

It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, only worse.

How do you suggest I heat my house? Bear in mind you are talking to a lady.

Well, had you not so recklessly burned up all your
great grandchildren's plastic insulation, I would
have suggested you use the dissipating heat
from your electric appliances. However,
in the day you can use solar,
providing you have glass.

Google : Earth Sheltered Homes.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.org

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Capt John wrote:
Dave is correct, we do, and should, question the theory of global
warming.

To question facts, such as global warming, you need a body of evidence.
Otherwise, you should shut up. Ignorance conveys no rights.

"The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new respectability to
uninformed opinion." -- John Lawton

And their are many scientist who question global warming.

And many many many more that do not. Not eveyone is convinced of gravity
either.

Many of the climate models show warming due to so called greenhouse
gasses, while other models show the climate cooling.

The record of warming is in the instrument records related to weather
reporting. It has nothing to do with models. Nor does the record of warming
show cooling, though there is a period in the 40's to 70's where smog pretty
much countered the warming by the presence of sulphate aerosols in the upper
atmosphere. No models are used to show the warming trend. This shows how
clueless you are.

Models ARE used to ascribe the causes, which are Solar Intensity ( 0.2C ),
Aerosols ( -0.2C) and GHGs ( 0.6C) at the time of the Third IPCC report (
2001 ). These mechanisms were shown to be both necessary and sufficient to
explain the observed warming trends.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figspm-4.htm


We have proof of evolution,

Evolution is also a theory, or as we term it 'fact', though probably less
well established than global warming. The challenges to it are equally faith
based and irrational.

and of atomic particals,

We have hypothesis of atomic particles. Because we can only infer their
existence and nature from their interactions, we may never be able to
provide a true 'theory of everything' to explain them. At best, we have
working guidelines and some evidence. To explain the evidence we have more
than ONE theory, so far. Quantum Chromodynamics, String theory, etc, etc.
They are all either with flaws or inherently unprovable as yet. So there is
no 'theory of atoms'. You really should have gone farther in school. I put
you at mid high school level.

that's why they are accepted by
most people. I suspect the problem with the Irish Sea has more to do
with over fishing, something the EU knows about, but has chosen to
ignore.

Over fishing depends on the rate of replenishment of stocks. That is
controlled by their rate of reproductin and the conditions for growth, which
ultimately are controlled by climate. Climates we know are changing. It is
not a stretch to say that global warming is a factor in the demise of fish
stocks globally, not just over fishing. In Canada, where there has been a
decades long moratorium on cod fishing, the cod have NOT made a comeback.
Something is not right in the conditions now. Climate is likley to be a
major factor in the collapse as well.

Over fishing by EU members is widespread, but they would much
rather blame their problems on the US. They like to make us "the bad
guy" because their's no shortage of people gullable enought to beleave
them. If they blame the problem on someone else, and people buy into
it, they don't have to do anything, until the fish run out.

Trying to bypass the responsibility for global warming just puts you in the
'gullible' class who are trying to push people away from affirmative actions
to change the situation and thus you are the main problem. The fish and the
climate can be changed, but only after the ignorant die off, for certainly
they will not see their own stupidity even when it is obvious by their
mistakes as here.

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wrote in message
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Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know
who
is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off
where
I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It
generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate,
generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally
don't
have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming
right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

I haven't burned any insulation...

Then you are a liar. Plastic insulation is made from oil.

When you burn oil, you are removing it from
the future reservoir of cheap plastic insulation.

It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, only worse.

How do you suggest I heat my house? Bear in mind you are talking to a
lady.

Well, had you not so recklessly burned up all your
great grandchildren's plastic insulation, I would
have suggested you use the dissipating heat
from your electric appliances. However,
in the day you can use solar,
providing you have glass.

Google : Earth Sheltered Homes.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.org


What makes you think that I don't do these things already? You call me a
liar and wasteful and you don't even know me or what I do to preserve
energy. I don't have solar unfortunately. But I do use the sun coming in
windows to add additional heat to the house. When I use the oven I leave
the door open till all the heat is gone to heat the house. We have the
thermostat that turns the heat down when we go to bed as we don't need the
heat when we are sleeping. We keep the house temp. in the day time at 68 no
matter how cold it gets. Not because we can't afford it, but because we are
trying to preserve the energy. If I get too chilly I have a little space
heater. I have only used it once. My stove is electric, my washer and
dryer are electric. We live in the country, we make lists, so when we go to
town we get the things on the lists, there are no unnecessary trips made and
sometimes neighbors go together. So don't always assume the worst of a
person when you don't know them. Maybe this isn't up to your standards, but
it is the best I can do to help. Oh and we recycle too. I could go over
and turn my heat up and be nice and toasty and warm, I could be all the
things you would like to think I am. But I'm not.

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If we don't deal with it now, our children will pay for it later. -
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compelling: changes in our climate are real and are already under way.
For example, global sea level is rising about three times faster over
the past 100 years compared with the previous 3,000 years, and the last
decade was the hottest on record. As Earth continues to warm, there is
a growing risk that the climate will change in ways that will seriously
disrupt our lives, as well as the landscapes and animals we cherish.

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Stinkweed wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

I've accepted that the earth goes around the sun too. Have you?

Just to bring a little levity into the conversation, I don't know
who
is
right and who is wrong, all I know is I am freezing my butt off
where
I
live. I don't know when it has been this cold before. It
generally
doesn't
get this way I understand until we are in a nice warm climate,
generally
January or Feb. My husband and I are snow birds. We normally
don't
have
the snow we have either. I would like some of that Global Warming
right
now!

That's what you get for burning all your plastic insulation.

It's your own damn problem. All that plastic, gone.

I haven't burned any insulation...

Then you are a liar. Plastic insulation is made from oil.

When you burn oil, you are removing it from
the future reservoir of cheap plastic insulation.

It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot, only worse.

How do you suggest I heat my house? Bear in mind you are talking to a
lady.

Well, had you not so recklessly burned up all your
great grandchildren's plastic insulation, I would
have suggested you use the dissipating heat
from your electric appliances. However,
in the day you can use solar,
providing you have glass.

Google : Earth Sheltered Homes.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.org


What makes you think that I don't do these things already? You call me a
liar and wasteful and you don't even know me or what I do to preserve
energy. I don't have solar unfortunately. But I do use the sun coming in
windows to add additional heat to the house. When I use the oven I leave
the door open till all the heat is gone to heat the house. We have the
thermostat that turns the heat down when we go to bed as we don't need the
heat when we are sleeping. We keep the house temp. in the day time at 68 no
matter how cold it gets. Not because we can't afford it, but because we are
trying to preserve the energy. If I get too chilly I have a little space
heater. I have only used it once. My stove is electric, my washer and
dryer are electric. We live in the country, we make lists, so when we go to
town we get the things on the lists, there are no unnecessary trips made and
sometimes neighbors go together. So don't always assume the worst of a
person when you don't know them. Maybe this isn't up to your standards, but
it is the best I can do to help. Oh and we recycle too. I could go over
and turn my heat up and be nice and toasty and warm, I could be all the
things you would like to think I am. But I'm not.

The laws of physics are tough, aren't they.

Methinks many are worse off than you.

I reiterate : Earth Sheltered Home.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org
http://cosmic.lifeform.net