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"Larry L" wrote ...


much snippage

We have an entire culture that has been raised on TV and subjected to
constant bombardment from the ADman ...

Speaking (reading?) of admen, I just picked up a book one of my former profs
wrote: _The Man Everybody Knew_, a bio of Bruce Barton, considered by many
to be the "father" of modern advertising. As an undergrad, in Prof. Fried's
class, we read _The Man Noboby Knows_, by Barton, wherein Jesus is cast as a
salesman. Great read. This book ought to be interesting as well.

...so tippet leads to Jesus as salesman....

Dan

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"Wolfgang" wrote

You insult them to their faces,

g

Yeah, but my face is pretty much the only one I have.

I find that I'm capable of silly maudlin sentiment about "the concept of
humanity"

And I know a FEW individuals I would defend at any cost, so dear are they to
me.

Yet truth told, I find very little to like in most "people" and that may
well be reciprocal.

..............................................

But, within that small group of my family and few friends that actually
know me, I'm willing to bet that the appraisal of my character would be
significantly more positive than, "Not really that bad of an asshole ... in
person." G

Larry ( who don't send no fricken x-mas cards to nobody )

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote

You insult them to their faces,

g

Yeah, but my face is pretty much the only one I have.

Non-sequiturs-R-Us had a big sale recently?

I find that I'm capable of silly maudlin sentiment about "the concept of
humanity"

Hm.....two for the price of one.

And I know a FEW individuals I would defend at any cost, so dear are they
to me.

Yeah, you're a real Mensch.

Yet truth told, I find very little to like in most "people"

Ah! Well, if we're going to deal in truth........you don't really work all
that hard at finding it, do you?

and that may well be reciprocal.

Ya think?

.............................................

But, within that small group of my family and few friends that actually
know me, I'm willing to bet that the appraisal of my character would be
significantly more positive than, "Not really that bad of an asshole ...
in person." G

Yeah, and let me guess.....your dog likes you too.....right?

Larry ( who don't send no fricken x-mas cards to nobody )

and has watched too many cowboy movies.

Wolfgang

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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

"Larry L" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote

You insult them to their faces,

If what Larry said was an insult, then they take life (or
at least that aspect of life) _way_ too seriously, and they
bought the place for all the wrong reasons. Sheesh. If they
want to see insults, they should just read ROFF for a month :-)

Presumably, we know that they got their copy of the rules of life because
you have the signed receipt right there in your hot little hand.....right?
And, besides, Larry has made it abundantly clear that he would never be so
irresponsible as to fail to deliver them. But there STILL isn't any way we
can make them actually read the damned things, is there?

Anyway, this matter of insult is always a difficult topic. One currently
popular school of thought holds that intent is an important. But, knowing
Larry as we do.....and especially taking into account his herculean efforts
at spreading sunshine here in the last few days.....this is a difficult
theory to reconcile with the facts. One can hardly help but be dubious,
ainna?

As for buying the place for all the wrong reasons, well, this is quite a
stunning accomplishment. I mean, there are a LOT of wrong reasons! I don't
have the complete list myself.....and I'm not sure I know anyone who does.
How can we be absolutely certain that they didn't miss one or two?

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote

And, besides, Larry has made it abundantly clear that he would never be so
irresponsible as to fail to deliver them.


Actually impressively clever, but was it as much fun as just calling me a
nasty name?



As for buying the place for all the wrong reasons, well, this is quite a
stunning accomplishment.


I find it impossible to think of a 'right' reason for a aging couple with no
children at home to build and occupy a several million dollar, sprawling but
cheerless, "trophy" that feels more like a government office building,
including a 3 story high 'dome' than a home. Maybe if I was a
Republican I'd "get it" ?

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote

And, besides, Larry has made it abundantly clear that he would never be
so irresponsible as to fail to deliver them.


Actually impressively clever, but was it as much fun as just calling me a
nasty name?

Tough call. Hm.....probably not as much fun as citizen's arrests, lawsuits,
bludgeons, shootings, beatings, etc. Does that help at all?

As for buying the place for all the wrong reasons, well, this is quite a
stunning accomplishment.


I find it impossible to think of a 'right' reason for a aging couple with
no children at home to build and occupy a several million dollar,
sprawling but cheerless, "trophy" that feels more like a government
office building, including a 3 story high 'dome' than a home.

Still, one can hardly help but admit the possibility that something you
can't imagine might nevertheless exist. Furthermore, it also seems possible
that the people who had it built and who live in it might have a different
conception of what it feels like than you do. But then, that would just
make them wrong.....right?

Maybe if I was a Republican I'd "get it" ?

Maybe.

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote


Tough call. Hm.....probably not as much fun as citizen's arrests,
lawsuits, bludgeons, shootings, beatings, etc. Does that help at all?


Apples and Oranges. One can't possibly expect words and cyber substitution
to match action in the real world. To make a meaningful comparison you
would need to compare substitution to substitution ... i.e. is it as
satisfying to post cleverly pointed barbs that make you seem intellectually
impressive ( to me ) or the far more common pre-teen-like name calling that
make you seem, ah ... pre-teen ( to me)

Of course, your posts must satisfy you, regardless of how they seem to me
.... but I really am curious ... mildly






Maybe if I was a Republican I'd "get it" ?

Maybe.



The degradation by association that would come from figuratively "hanging"
with the Roves, Cheneys and BushPuppets would make joining Der Party just to
find this out far too costly. I'll just have to continue to live clueless
on this subject ( there is a big opening there, ... I'm sure you can see it
;-)

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote


Tough call. Hm.....probably not as much fun as citizen's arrests,
lawsuits, bludgeons, shootings, beatings, etc. Does that help at all?


Apples and Oranges.

Fruits, if I'm not mistaken.

One can't possibly expect words and cyber substitution to match action in
the real world.

Quite the contrary.....one can expect anything one wishes to. Moreover, a
lot of the "action in the real world" IS words. Or are you telling us that
you somehow managed to convey the notion of "it's not too cozy is it?"
without using actual words despite reporting that you said it? Some sort of
ultra-sophisticated mime, perhaps? And then there's that citizen's arrest
thingy. Without words, something like this could easily be mistaken for a
common kidnapping.

To make a meaningful comparison you would need to compare substitution to
substitution ... i.e. is it as satisfying to post cleverly pointed barbs
that make you seem intellectually impressive ( to me ) or the far more
common pre-teen-like name calling that make you seem, ah ... pre-teen ( to
me)

Abject nonsense. One can make all sorts of meaningful comparisons among any
number of similar or disaparate items. No matter how you slice it, an
elephant is bigger than a Brussels sprout. Grayer, too. Substitute a
tennis ball for the Brussels sprout and a Buick for the elephant and it
quickly becomes clear (well, to some of us anyway) that the latter is larger
than the former while it may or may not be any yellower. How meanigful any
of these comaprisons may be has nothing whatsoever to do with what was
substituted for which. What matters is whether or not the comparison makes
internal sense. In the instant case, you've indicated that you find your
antics with the neighbors highly amusing. So far, this hasn't been a source
of much hilarity for me. Score it however you please.

As for how I seem to you......well, you're a liar. :)

Wolfgang

Of course, your posts must satisfy you, regardless of how they seem to me
... but I really am curious ... mildly






Maybe if I was a Republican I'd "get it" ?

Maybe.



The degradation by association that would come from figuratively "hanging"
with the Roves, Cheneys and BushPuppets would make joining Der Party just
to find this out far too costly. I'll just have to continue to live
clueless on this subject ( there is a big opening there, ... I'm sure you
can see it ;-)

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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Maybe if I was a Republican I'd "get it" ?

Maybe.

Missed the rest of this on the first viewing.

The degradation by association that would come from figuratively "hanging"
with the Roves, Cheneys and BushPuppets would make joining Der Party just
to find this out far too costly.

It was your idea.....not mine.

If mere figurative hanging with the likes of the above is both degrading and
costly, the mind boggles at what might happen if one should come face to
face with any of them.....and actual physical contact is almost to horrific
to contemplate. You suppose parts might begin to drop off
immediately.....or would it take a while for the poison to do its work? Are
ALL Republicans "BushPuppets"......or is it at least theoretically possible
that some of them are fully human and therefore capable....and even,
perhaps, worthy.....of redemption?

And "Der Party" is just ever so precious.

I'll just have to continue to live clueless on this subject ( there is a
big opening there, ... I'm sure you can see it ;-)

Huh?

Wolfgang

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And "Der Party" is just ever so precious.


Yeah, is was kinda sticky wasn't it



Well, I don't think I've ever followed a thread this far down the screen and
this one, too, is losing interest ... even on a rainy day with nothing else
to do ... think I'll fire up the tying vise and turn out some midge pupa ...
I had a lone baetis dun on the side of my travel trailer yesterday, might be
trying to tell me it's time to get ready.

Thanks for the fun ...

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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And "Der Party" is just ever so precious.


Yeah, is was kinda sticky wasn't it



Well, I don't think I've ever followed a thread this far down the screen
and this one, too, is losing interest ... even on a rainy day with
nothing else to do ...

Yeah, I thought it might.....soon.

think I'll fire up the tying vise and turn out some midge pupa ... I had
a lone baetis dun on the side of my travel trailer yesterday, might be
trying to tell me it's time to get ready.

Thanks for the fun ...

You're welcome.

Oh, hey, by the way, while your tying you might want to ponder a question
for me.....I mean, what with your obvious deep seated need to make the world
a better place and all.

Would you characterize testing yourself against pre-teens as just a
hobby?......or is it a long sought potential means of fulfilling some lofty
aspiration?.....or what? If the former, I'd like to suggest that most dogs,
having once bitten the burlap, will find another hobby. If the
latter.....well, good luck.

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote

Oh, hey, by the way, while your tying you might want to ponder a question
for me.....I mean, what with your obvious deep seated need to make the
world a better place and all.

Would you characterize testing yourself against pre-teens as just a
hobby?......or is it a long sought potential means of fulfilling some
lofty aspiration?.....or what? If the former, I'd like to suggest that
most dogs, having once bitten the burlap, will find another hobby. If the
latter.....well, good luck.



Well I honestly never thought of it as testing myself. I had some things
I kinda wanted to say, probably my over active desire to impose my values on
others as you, more or less accurately, point out. And I had a couple
things that I've been curious about, but I see that my questions are not
going to be answered.... not really a big deal.

I think your implication in the "testing" and "find another hobby" is that I
was tested and I've been defeated in that test. My impression was that we
were playing different games for different reasons. At your game I was
defeated, and I'm not likely to soon have enough interest to play again ...
at mine, the game simply faded away unplayed.

You seem like an interesting case, one I'd like to understand rather than
just guess about, but not interesting enough to pursue the knowledge uphill
against your will. So, yes, I have been defeated in that interest. The
words that did it were "......well, you're a liar." That basic phrase
seems to precede many of your changes from 'clever' to 'pre-teen' and I have
zero interest in more exposure to the latter.

Congratulations on your win.

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"Larry L" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote

Oh, hey, by the way, while your tying you might want to ponder a question
for me.....I mean, what with your obvious deep seated need to make the
world a better place and all.

Would you characterize testing yourself against pre-teens as just a
hobby?......or is it a long sought potential means of fulfilling some
lofty aspiration?.....or what? If the former, I'd like to suggest that
most dogs, having once bitten the burlap, will find another hobby. If
the latter.....well, good luck.



Well I honestly never thought of it as testing myself. I had some
things I kinda wanted to say, probably my over active desire to impose my
values on others as you, more or less accurately, point out. And I had
a couple things that I've been curious about, but I see that my questions
are not going to be answered.... not really a big deal.

Questions? You had questions?

I think your implication in the "testing" and "find another hobby" is that
I was tested and I've been defeated in that test.

I've heard that there may or may not be a high level of correspondence
between what's implied and what's inferred. It might be interesting to
speculate on what sort of fatuous self-inflated delusion leads you to
believe I'd be interested in testing you.......but I doubt it.

My impression was that we were playing different games for different
reasons.

Game? You think this is some sort of game? Let's see now......lawsuits,
beatings, shootings, citizens arrests, pepper spray, denigrating millions of
people solely on the basis of political party affiliation, and a professed
willingness to go further.......hm.....how does one keep score?

At your game I was defeated, and I'm not likely to soon have enough
interest to play again ... at mine, the game simply faded away unplayed.

And yet, here you are......again Things got a bit slow at the old tying
bench, did they? How many times does something need to bore you before
you'll leave it alone?

You seem like an interesting case,

Things aren't always what they seem.

one I'd like to understand rather than just guess about,

You'd be disappointed. Trust me.

but not interesting enough to pursue the knowledge uphill against your
will.

In that case, common sense would dictate another course.

So, yes, I have been defeated in that interest.

Well, if it's any comfort to you, I saw it coming. I mean, if you want to
play the piano, for instance, chopping off your fingers as a warmup exercise
may SEEM like a good idea at the time........

The words that did it were "......well, you're a liar." That basic
phrase seems to precede many of your changes from 'clever' to 'pre-teen'

Things are not always what they seem. That "basic phrase" is always
preceded by a transparent lie. I have never been able to
understand......nor do I suppose that I ever will.....why it is that people
who object to be labeled as liars make a habit of lying.

and I have zero interest in more exposure to the latter.

I read something quite similar to this just a few short hours ago. We'll
see.

Congratulations on your win.

Um......shouldn't there be a prize or something? :(

Wolfgang

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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:20:54 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:

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I find it impossible to think of a 'right' reason for a aging couple with no
children at home to build and occupy a several million dollar, sprawling but
cheerless, "trophy" that feels more like a government office building,
including a 3 story high 'dome' than a home.

I can't think of one, either, but obviously the owners could and did.
Maybe they'd had too small a space to live in comfortably for most of
their life, particularly when they were children. Maybe they thought
it was some sort of requirement of their social and / or economic
class. Maybe they just liked lots and lots of pure space in some sort
of exaggeration of the Scandinavian design principles.

If they had an architect design it to their specs, they'd be as proud
of it as you would of a good pup you'd bred and trained yourself. If
they picked it from a number of already made up designs, it'd still be
their personal choice and they'd have emotion invested in it as well
as money.

I think this would be all very much more important to the nouveau
riche than to old money types. They can finally have dreams they'd
never thought to achieve. And they want others to see and share them
or at least admire them.

I have trouble with the prairie palaces, too, but my own dreams of
living space would be more based on what a house would look / be like
if you took two to four double or triple wide trailers and joined them
in an L or quadrangle space as a model. I, too, would have more space
than anyone needs, but it'd be all on one level. Though given a
choice between land space and housing space, I'd go for more land
space around me every time. Personal choice / preference.

Stairways are my big gripe about the newer architecture. Steps should
be wide enough, even carpeted, that at least women (though I'd prefer
it for men, too) be able to put a foot straight on the step and have
the foot entirely on it without having to angle the foot or step just
on the balls of the feet. I've seen some so narrow that they're going
to be very hard for older folks (which all are apt to become with time
and luck) to walk down carefully. And that's without any carpeting.
Architects and builders want to show so much space in the rooms that
they aren't willing to use it up for stairways.

Ah, well, interior space is the fashion now. It'll change. It
always does.