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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:02:43 GMT, rw
wrote:

Daniel-San wrote:
"riverman" wrote ...


But I think if someone wanted to supplement their food with freshly-caught
fish, the weight of the rod tube would be worth the savings in food
weight.

--riverman


The food weight savings are quickly off-set by the additional gear
required -- some sort of skillet, a heavier stove (hard to cook fish over an
alcohol stove -- flame just doesn't last long enough), fuel for the stove,
condiments, etc.

If you're camping where fires are allowed all you need is some aluminum
foil.

If you're camping where fires are allowed, all you _need_ is some
outdoor sense, such as to use a green stick...

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Dave LaCourse wrote:

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i broke mine that day as well. mine was definitely the work of a klutz.
brand new diamondback. i recall it as a windy, rainy, cold day. good
day for bad things to happen. terrible fishing too. froze my nuts,
broke my rod, didn't catch a thing...i don't remember anything funny
about that day.

jeff

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Jeff Miller wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:

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i broke mine that day as well. mine was definitely the work of a klutz.
brand new diamondback. i recall it as a windy, rainy, cold day. good
day for bad things to happen. terrible fishing too. froze my nuts,
broke my rod, didn't catch a thing...i don't remember anything funny
about that day.

jeff

As I recall, you were wet wading. :-)

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rw wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

snip

i broke mine that day as well. mine was definitely the work of a
klutz. brand new diamondback. i recall it as a windy, rainy, cold
day. good day for bad things to happen. terrible fishing too. froze
my nuts, broke my rod, didn't catch a thing...i don't remember
anything funny about that day.

jeff


As I recall, you were wet wading. :-)


i wet waded only when warren anchored the drift boat. as i remember,
the water felt like the warmest place during that float, second only to
john's motorhome at float's end. but, yeah, i guess that probably
caused a number of folks to chuckle. damn schadenfreudians! that and
watching me try to figure out how to fling and float the fly without
tangling/hooking in oars, ears, eyes, arses, or rocks. broke my rod
while bending over the bow of the ginkboat trying to untangle the leader
from someplace. i dislike driftboat float fishing. i like boatfloating
somewhere you can't get to by hiking/wading, then anchoring and wading.

jeff

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Jeff Miller wrote:

i dislike driftboat float fishing. i like boatfloating
somewhere you can't get to by hiking/wading, then anchoring and wading.

I agree, Jeff. That's the best way to look at driftboat fishing:
transportation to otherwise inaccessible spots. I'll also add the
ability to cover lots of water.

I think many people underestimate how much a noisy boat, or even a
nearly silent boat, puts down the fish. It may not happen on virgin
rivers, if any still exist (which I doubt). I'm sure it happens on busy
rivers. Can anyone seriously believe that trout can't sense a raft or a
drift boat passing overhead?

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Jeff Miller wrote:

i wet waded only when warren anchored the drift boat.

Waders do a pretty good job of keeping you warn in the boat, too,
especially with a pair of fleece and a pair of thermal underwear.

Also, after the first time you wet waded, you continued to wet wade
until you dried out, which was probably about the time you started wet
wading again.

as i remember,
the water felt like the warmest place during that float,

You were probably suffering from hypothermia due to evaporative cooling.
The water WOULD feel warmer in that case, but you'd still be losing lots
of calories when you're in it. I hope you brought snacks. :-)

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rw wrote:
Jeff Miller wrote:

i dislike driftboat float fishing. i like boatfloating somewhere you
can't get to by hiking/wading, then anchoring and wading.


I agree, Jeff. That's the best way to look at driftboat fishing:
transportation to otherwise inaccessible spots. I'll also add the
ability to cover lots of water.

I think many people underestimate how much a noisy boat, or even a
nearly silent boat, puts down the fish. It may not happen on virgin
rivers, if any still exist (which I doubt). I'm sure it happens on busy
rivers. Can anyone seriously believe that trout can't sense a raft or a
drift boat passing overhead?



I think it depends on how often those boats pass over. On the Madison
during peak times, if the fish were put down by drift boats passing by,
no one would catch fish. Fish acclimate to the presence of boats just
like they do to the presence of people when they live in a heavily
fished stream or river.

I told this one before (Ken J. doesn't believe it).

On my home river there's a bike path, jogging track, hiking path etc.
that runs along the river. On one stretch it gets close to the river and
is on a bluff that's about 20 feet above the river. It's an excellent
spot to look for feeding fish that have moved into the shallow run that
flows next to the bluff. If you walk along, you can find the feeding
fish and come back on the other side of the river and catch them.
However, if you stop and look, the fish that can see you will spook. The
fish there not only learned to become accustomed to people but formed
enough of a discrimination that they accepted the presence of people
moving by but still spooked when a person would stop.

Willi

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Jeff Miller wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:

snip

i broke mine that day as well. mine was definitely the work of a klutz.
brand new diamondback. i recall it as a windy, rainy, cold day. good
day for bad things to happen. terrible fishing too. froze my nuts,
broke my rod, didn't catch a thing...i don't remember anything funny
about that day.

jeff


Bruce and I had a good time. We did some of Bruce's favorite......
bridge fishing. Although he is fond of all types of fishing, Bruce
seems to REALLY like bridge fishing. We'd go up on the bridge and spot
fish and then come down and fish for them or one of us would spot for
the other while he was fishing. Here's a sequence of Bruce hooking and
landing a fish and an overhead of him landing a fish I had spotted for
him from the top of the bridge.

http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/Bridge.htm


We spent most of the day right at the bridge and would go under it and
fish whenever the rain and wind blew. The bridge was right where the
boats put into the river and most people row right by it to get to
"better" water. It held alot of fish, both trout and BIG whitefish.

We were both VERY glad we weren't floating that day and commented on how
much fun you guys must have been having.

Willi

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That morning I was kind of wishing that I was going on the group float,
but by about 9:30 we figured out that we had the best spot, with a
bridge to hide under. My favorite well known bridges: Ora Bridge
(pictured), Raynalds Pass Bridge, the high bridge right by Clark Canyon
reservoir (Beaverhead), and the bridge at Big Spring on the Henry's
fork. I didn't get to fish at that last one ; -)

bh

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Willi wrote:

I think it depends on how often those boats pass over. On the Madison
during peak times, if the fish were put down by drift boats passing by,
no one would catch fish. Fish acclimate to the presence of boats just
like they do to the presence of people when they live in a heavily
fished stream or river.

Sure, if driftboats and rafts are continually passing over the fish will
adapt, just like they do to waders in the San Juan. They still have to
feed. I would be surprised, though, if they didn't become more wary when
they sensed a boat. It's a simple association: boat = hooked = watch
out. Even a fish can figure that out.

I often fish on the Middle Fork of the Salmon about 1/4 mile below where
the raft trips put in at Boundary Creek. The earliest rafters can be
expected to pass between around 10:30am and 11:00am, or even later,
depending on how much the guides drank in town the night before. There
are always a couple of sports with fly rods. The fishing will typically
be hot until the first rafts pass, and then it shuts down for maybe 20
minutes, and then it's good until the next rafts pass. At that point,
I'm out of there, heading upstream of the put-in.

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"Willi" wrote in message
...

I apologize for the erroneous assumption.


No need to apologize, Most folks would look at me and doubt I could do that
particular hike, I even doubted myself. The year before I couldn't even get
to Opie's cable hole, and that was without the weight of a backpack on a two
track, not a switchback'd trail.

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In article ,
says...
rw wrote:
Jeff Miller wrote:

i dislike driftboat float fishing. i like boatfloating somewhere you
can't get to by hiking/wading, then anchoring and wading.


I agree, Jeff. That's the best way to look at driftboat fishing:
transportation to otherwise inaccessible spots. I'll also add the
ability to cover lots of water.

I think many people underestimate how much a noisy boat, or even a
nearly silent boat, puts down the fish. It may not happen on virgin
rivers, if any still exist (which I doubt). I'm sure it happens on busy
rivers. Can anyone seriously believe that trout can't sense a raft or a
drift boat passing overhead?



I think it depends on how often those boats pass over. On the Madison
during peak times, if the fish were put down by drift boats passing by,
no one would catch fish. Fish acclimate to the presence of boats just
like they do to the presence of people when they live in a heavily
fished stream or river.

I told this one before (Ken J. doesn't believe it).

I once caught a steelhead less than 20 seconds after a kayaker went
through upside-down. IME, fish are very used to things floating by
on top of the water. If they got spooked by things floating on the
water, they'd never eat.
- Ken

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rw wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:


i wet waded only when warren anchored the drift boat.


Waders do a pretty good job of keeping you warn in the boat, too,
especially with a pair of fleece and a pair of thermal underwear.

Also, after the first time you wet waded, you continued to wet wade
until you dried out, which was probably about the time you started wet
wading again.

as i remember, the water felt like the warmest place during that float,


You were probably suffering from hypothermia due to evaporative cooling.
The water WOULD feel warmer in that case, but you'd still be losing lots
of calories when you're in it. I hope you brought snacks. :-)


um...c'mon now, you know i was fishing with warren...he did bring a chew
of something, but judging by the times he kept spitting it out, i chose
to diet that day. g even the cold beer was warm that day.

jeff

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Willi wrote:



We were both VERY glad we weren't floating that day and commented on how
much fun you guys must have been having.

Willi

spoken like a true schadenfreudian...g

jeff

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Dr. Pepper and an Upper (I'm not talking about amphetamines).
Breakfast of Champions. My last dip of Pukenhagen aka Copenheroin was
over ten years ago. Dang that stuff was harrrrrrd to quit! bh

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rw wrote:
Willi wrote:


I think it depends on how often those boats pass over. On the Madison
during peak times, if the fish were put down by drift boats passing
by, no one would catch fish. Fish acclimate to the presence of boats
just like they do to the presence of people when they live in a
heavily fished stream or river.


Sure, if driftboats and rafts are continually passing over the fish will
adapt, just like they do to waders in the San Juan. They still have to
feed. I would be surprised, though, if they didn't become more wary when
they sensed a boat. It's a simple association: boat = hooked = watch
out. Even a fish can figure that out.

I often fish on the Middle Fork of the Salmon about 1/4 mile below where
the raft trips put in at Boundary Creek. The earliest rafters can be
expected to pass between around 10:30am and 11:00am, or even later,
depending on how much the guides drank in town the night before. There
are always a couple of sports with fly rods. The fishing will typically
be hot until the first rafts pass, and then it shuts down for maybe 20
minutes, and then it's good until the next rafts pass. At that point,
I'm out of there, heading upstream of the put-in.



The lower river by me gets lots of tubers in the Summer (scantily clad
young women among them as well as an occasional topless or even nude
one). This distracts the fish (as well as this fisherman). For the fish,
the effects last about twenty minutes.

Willi

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Hi Allyn,

I will have to work on that for you.

For a short time we had woven carbon fiber rod tubes with aluminum ends but
they were real expensive.

We now have 1.5" and 2.0" standard aluminum tubes. I will have to weight
them.

In the '60s I worked in a really top outdoor store (sporting goods) in
Sacramento. We carried everything. We had really nice back packing equipment
so over time I purchased everything we had only buying the best. Cordura
pack on welded aluminum frame, Pivetta boots, goose down semi-mummy bag,
magnesium grill, books, Seva stove, nesting pans, ultra light one man tent,
Insolite pad, ground cloth, etc.............the big joke was that my pack
was full and weighed a 'ton' without food. I talked with many serious
backpackers during those years. Most said that for a 2 week trip they took
only dry food. Cameras and fishing tackle were not always on their list.
--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Old Grey" wrote in message
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Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:37:13 GMT, "Bill Kiene"
wrote:

Hi Allyn,

I will have to work on that for you.

snip

Thanks for the follow up. Had some good suggestions on this site with
one looking at the rocket tubes. Looks like may go with an older
aluminum tube to carry both my rod and my borthers to share the
weight. If it wasn't for the fishing down south on the trail, I
probably would even go rather than leave the rod!

Allyn