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In article Yjb3g.18570$HC3.17484@trnddc07, says...

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
Have you ever been to Brazil, cowboy? It ain't all it's cracked up to
be. They use alchohol for fuel, yes, but you can't breathe the air.
Rio and San Paulo both have so much foul air that it makes your throat
hurt and your eyes water and sting. Besides, there ain't enough corn
in all of the earth to keep us going.


first, how recent is your information on Brazil?? If not in the past decade,
it is completely impertinent to the discussion. Second, all ethanol need not
come from corn
(and, yes, there is a hell of a lot of it,but maybe not enough), sugar cane
comes to mind at the top of a list of a few hundred products which can be
distilled to produce it.

You are correct, but Dave is correct also. It might work for Brazil,
but at the current efficiency there isn't enough corn/sugar cane/etc
to supply a country like the US.
- Ken

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

If you continue to run bozos like Kerry and Gore, you will *never* win
the WH. And if by chance they *do* win, God help us.

Dave




Boy, I was thinking the opposite when GW won for the first time ("won" in
quotes). I thought "Well, how much damage can he do?"

Live and learn


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Scott Seidman wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote in
:


If you continue to run bozos like Kerry and Gore, you will *never* win
the WH. And if by chance they *do* win, God help us.

Dave





Boy, I was thinking the opposite when GW won for the first time ("won" in
quotes). I thought "Well, how much damage can he do?"

Live and learn

What worries me is that this arrogant, incompetent, ignorant,
increasingly desperate bozo has another 33 months in office.

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rw wrote in
m:

Scott Seidman wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote in
:


If you continue to run bozos like Kerry and Gore, you will *never*
win the WH. And if by chance they *do* win, God help us.

Dave





Boy, I was thinking the opposite when GW won for the first time
("won" in quotes). I thought "Well, how much damage can he do?"

Live and learn

What worries me is that this arrogant, incompetent, ignorant,
increasingly desperate bozo has another 33 months in office.



The guys approval rating just fell to 32%, so he's officially lower than
Carter now. My bet is that the environment is too partisan now for him to
get much closer to Nixon's record -- but I think he's going to make a go
for it!


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Dave LaCourse wrote:

I remember the Carter years
(made a helluva lot of money in the money market btw)

You just can't resist this stuff, can you? No one but you gives a ****
how much money you made.

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Danl typed:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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[snip]

Gas prices are high, but they are high worldwide. Get the Dems to
allow drilling off of California and Alaska and the price of gas
would go down. Take away the last fed gas tax ($.50/gallon) voted
in by Al Gore when the Senate was dead-locked at 50/50, and your gas
would be alot cheaper. I don't know about your math, but that would
be $12 less a tank where I buy gas. Ya think those folks at WM you
are so concerned about could find something to do with that $12?


Hmmmm....if you're paying .50/gallon or more Federal gas tax, you
must be special. The latest figures I can find have the fed gas tax
at .184/gallon. What did I miss, Dave? When did Al Gore increase the
Fed gas tax by fifty cents a gallon?

I don't know about your math and ....errr...I don't think you do
either BSEG

http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1054.html

Yeah, I didn't quite understand that math either. In most states, the
state tax exceeds the fed.

http://tinyurl.com/r4pce

Add the two together and you get close to that $.50 figure.
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TL,
Tim
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Oh, BTW, the federal tax on gasoline more than tripled (that means "times
3", Dave) from 4 cents per gallon in 1982 to 14.1 cents per gallon in 1991.
I believe that Mr. Reagan and Mr. Bush (the smart one) held the veto power
during this period of time. Mr. Gore was too busy inventing the internet to
cast any deciding votes in a 50/50 split congress at the time.

Danl
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/Hi...01918-2002.pdf

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:18:38 +0800, "riverman"
wrote:

Hopefully.

Hopefully it is funny, or hopefully you wish Bush was dead? You can't
*possibly* hate *anyone* that much, can you?

I could/can! It hasn't seemed to bothered him a bit that tens of thousands
of Afghan and Iraqi civilians have died to satisfy his lust for the almighty
dollar.

Op

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

I remember the Carter years
(made a helluva lot of money in the money market btw), and I don't
want to return to those days.


I guess stagflation doesn't scare you.


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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:29:38 -0700, wrote:

You are correct, but Dave is correct also. It might work for Brazil,
but at the current efficiency there isn't enough corn/sugar cane/etc
to supply a country like the US.

Many years ago we (the US) gave up on nuclear power. It can be safe
(France gets much of their power from nuclear), yet politicians say
no. These same pols say no to wind power when it's in their state
near their summer palaces. There are numerous ways we can use nature
to suplement our use of fossil fuels, but we will get nowhere with the
Dems/Repubs in both houses. Use of the tides, wind, corn for fuel,
and other alternatives will never happen until it is too late. We
should be building hydro power dams, nuclear reactors, and drilling
for oil where we have yet to drill. Then, and only then, can we be
energy independent. The US is too large a country to expect
conservation to work to any degree. Food has to move from Cal and Fla
to the east and mid-west, people do not live near their employment and
must drive their cars to work. Mass transit is a joke in most places.
Plus, consider all the pick-up trucks/vans, delivery trucks, etc.
doing business in your town. They can't do it on corn.

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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:00:40 -0600, rw
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

I remember the Carter years
(made a helluva lot of money in the money market btw)

You just can't resist this stuff, can you? No one but you gives a ****
how much money you made.

I know. But if it ****es you off.......... d;o)

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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:44:41 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:

Hmmmm....if you're paying .50/gallon or more Federal gas tax, you must be
special. The latest figures I can find have the fed gas tax at .184/gallon.
What did I miss, Dave? When did Al Gore increase the Fed gas tax by fifty
cents a gallon?

You're right, I'm wrong. Gore's vote raised it another 4.3 cents in
1993.

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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:09:34 -0600, rw
wrote:

Dave isn't part of the reality-based community. He believes whatever he
hears from Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and O'Reilly.

Better than believing some Brokeback Mountain Faux Cowboy.

I seldom listen to Limbaugh, never to Hannity and Colms, don't know
even if Coulter has a radio/tv show, and O'Reilly is on during prime
time, so I don't watch him, not that it's any of your business, putz.

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In article ,
says...
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:29:38 -0700, wrote:

You are correct, but Dave is correct also. It might work for Brazil,
but at the current efficiency there isn't enough corn/sugar cane/etc
to supply a country like the US.

Many years ago we (the US) gave up on nuclear power. It can be safe
(France gets much of their power from nuclear), yet politicians say
no. These same pols say no to wind power when it's in their state
near their summer palaces. There are numerous ways we can use nature
to suplement our use of fossil fuels, but we will get nowhere with the
Dems/Repubs in both houses. Use of the tides, wind, corn for fuel,
and other alternatives will never happen until it is too late. We
should be building hydro power dams, nuclear reactors, and drilling
for oil where we have yet to drill. Then, and only then, can we be
energy independent. The US is too large a country to expect
conservation to work to any degree. Food has to move from Cal and Fla
to the east and mid-west, people do not live near their employment and
must drive their cars to work. Mass transit is a joke in most places.
Plus, consider all the pick-up trucks/vans, delivery trucks, etc.
doing business in your town. They can't do it on corn.

Conservation would actually work incredibly well in a country like the
US. If Brazil saves 5% of it's energy use, it's peanuts. If the US
saves 5%, it's huge. Agree on nuclear and wind power, but NIMBY is a
tough thing for politicians to fight against.

If we got the people who never drive off paved roads to not drive huge
SUVs, vans and pickup trucks we could save 5% easily. We are lazy.
We bitch about $3/gallon gas while filling up 20+ gallon gas tanks on
oversized cars that get 15 mpg while carrying a lone person to/from
work.

I may not like $3/gallon gas, but it does look like it's making a dent
in people's purchasing choices. Fewer mini-vans that do 0-60 in
racecar speeds. GM and Ford in shock because all their cars suck in
MPG....and people are actually paying attention.

- Ken

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message


Kerry had no new ideas. Period. He said he would remain in Iraq and
Afghanistan. The only difference is that we would now have more
taxes. It would be worse today if Kerry was in office.

Unless you are amazingly psychic, there is no way on Earth that you could
possibly know you last statement is factual.

The economy is going along great with no unemployment, low interest
rates, and low inflation. The market is doing well. No one has
invaded us since 9/11.

No unemployment, at all?

The market is doing well for those with lots of money, but not for a
majority of the working stiffs.

There's not been a major hurricane to hit the U.S. since Rita, but that
doesn't mean there won't be another one in the future. Eight and one half
years separated the first and second WWTC attacks. We are only into the 5th
year after the last. Give'em time Dave, the ports are wide open!

I don't know about you, but I am far better off today than I was eight
years ago, and much safer too.

You may be better-off finacially, but you aren't any safer, unless you know
something that the rest of the world doesn't know about international
terrorism.

Gas prices are high, but they are high worldwide.

They have always been high in many other parts of the world, but low in the
U.S. What's that tell us?

Get the Dems to
allow drilling off of California and Alaska and the price of gas would
go down. Take away the last fed gas tax ($.50/gallon) voted in by Al
Gore when the Senate was dead-locked at 50/50, and your gas would be
alot cheaper.

Exactly how much did 'ol Al raise the tax--it's 18.4 cpg currently. That
amount is neglegible compared to my state's tax of 26.6 cpg
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

I don't know about your math, but that would be $12
less a tank where I buy gas.

You either have a 65 gal. gas tank, or your gas station is rippin' you off
big time. I pay $1.84 per fill-up for my 10 gal. tank.

Ya think those folks at WM you are so
concerned about could find something to do with that $12?

Yeah, but fuzzy math gets'wm every time.

If the Dems win in 08, and I hope they do, you will see the tax cuts
cancelled and new taxes across the board. Inflation will go up (and
that is the worse tax for someone on a fixed income - read poor folks)
and the economy will crumble. But fear not. You'll blame that on
Bush.

Well the Dems ain't been in office for the past 6 years and you're still
blamin' them?

If you continue to run bozos like Kerry and Gore, you will *never* win
the WH. And if by chance they *do* win, God help us.

Don't ask him for help, he ain't done anything decent in over 2000 years!

Op

Dave

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riverman wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message
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Stan Gula typed:

riverman wrote:

I'd take NIXON over Bush.

I'd take 6 feet of dirt over Bush.

Now THAT'S funny!

Hopefully.

Oh, come on. The NSA is *known* for its sense of humor.... ;)

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Dave LaCourse wrote:

The US is too large a country to expect
conservation to work to any degree.

That's the craziest thing you've said today. Conservation would help
enormously in the US precisely BECAUSE we are such large consumers and
we're wasteful.

You conservatives who hate the idea of conservation crack me up.

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Dave LaCourse wrote:

I seldom listen to Limbaugh, never to Hannity and Colms, don't know
even if Coulter has a radio/tv show, and O'Reilly is on during prime
time, so I don't watch him, not that it's any of your business, putz.

Well just where did you hear the fictitious meme about Gore's fifty-cent
gas tax? The same place you heard the lies about Cleland's and Kerry's
war records?

Regardless of whomever you're getting these factoids from, I recommend
that you check them out before you expose your ass in public. It will
save you embarrassment.

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On 24 Apr 2006 22:04:07 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

I guess stagflation doesn't scare you.

Huh? I said I would not like to return to the Carter years.
Stagflation ( a word made-up for that era) meant high inflation,
unemployment, and interest rates. It was unheard of until the Carter
years. No, stagflation DOES scare me, Scott.

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
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On 24 Apr 2006 22:04:07 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

I guess stagflation doesn't scare you.

Huh? I said I would not like to return to the Carter years.
Stagflation ( a word made-up for that era) meant high inflation,
unemployment, and interest rates. It was unheard of until the Carter
years. No, stagflation DOES scare me, Scott.




I missed that line about not wanting those years back-- oops!


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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:18:38 +0800, "riverman"
wrote:

Hopefully.

Hopefully it is funny, or hopefully you wish Bush was dead? You can't
*possibly* hate *anyone* that much, can you?



Hummmmmmmmm. Ill have to think about that, Lets see, would I hate him enough
to even make up stories about him faking medals for the wounds if he had had
his legs blown off from falling on a grenade to protect his platoon?
Hummmmmmmm? Would I hate him for letting Ben Ladin go free? Would I hate
him for making my country a State sponsor of torture? Boy, Its a real
quandary. Not.

Dave

Dave

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:56:12 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:

Bush voters would have been
twice as likely to have voted Democratic if Kerry had dressed up as a
pirate, been coached to speak a little NASCAR, or hosted a campaign
summit
meeting with a snake handler church.

That is plain bull****, David. Do you remember when he said, "Can I
get me a huntin' license here?" The entire nation laughed at him for
dumbing down and acting like some kind of hillbilly hick. He is what
he is and most folks saw that. Do you think Al Gore hiring someone to
make him look more "macho" and changed his wardrobe to earth tones
helped? He is what he is.

Dave


Im sorry Dave, but its true. In fact, a computer simulation using an
artificial demographic avatar profile of a male, retired military CPO or
equivalent, in the upper income category, living in the lower New England
area tested voting proclivities for both Kerry and Gore. The percentage of
Bush voters favoring Kerry rose to 47% when Kerry was dressed as a teenage
girl with little pointy tits, while the pirate dress-up outfit yielded less
that 39.7%.

Gore tested best among this demographic avatar when he wore a Nautica brand
flight jacket, cowboy hat and sneered at the computer screen. Similar
results were noted at informal trials performed at post-election Log Cabin
Republican Dress-up Night Gatherings. Of course there is no guarantee that
you will get the same results in home trials, but some of the same affects
can be observed by dressing up in front of a mirror and slurring your
speech. Its probably not necessary to put on a bra, but the panties are
essential. I think that you will agree that you would be much more likely to
vote for Kerry or any other Democrat, the day you look into the mirror and
see yourself wearing a pair of pretty pink panties.

Dave

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
David Snedeker wrote:

... Focus groups tested
post election showed that nearly 40% of male Bush voters would have been
twice as likely to have voted Democratic if Kerry had dressed up as a
pirate, been coached to speak a little NASCAR, or hosted a campaign
summit
meeting with a snake handler church.

SPLORK

Too funny.

I must be feeling better, I can laugh again.

Got a letter in the mail today from the state of Illinois
that said my daughter is deceased but I can appeal the
decision. I had to laugh.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Good. Some people say it doesn't get easier, but I believe that time can
help form scabs and scars that lets life proceed.

Dave

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
David Snedeker wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message
. ..

rw wrote:

What could have persuaded people to vote for this transparently
loathsome creep?

The other two even more transparently loathsome creeps? Just a guess. .
.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------


No. Near as I can figure many of the Bush voters like to play dress-up.
So
when Bush staged the landing on the carrier, after having the carrier
turn
so the camera shots were seaward, and did the costume change to the
leather
jacket, it spoke directly to that part of the pocket-poolsters that
prefer
dress-up to real life people with real life experiences like Kerry and
Max
Cleland.

I have to believe that the people who still approve of Bush, despite the
abundant evidence of his bumbling incompetence and mendacity, are the
people who wouldn't mind if he ate their children.

--

Or . . . who are people who suck at math. or maybe both: $500 Billion is the
price of Iraq so far, with another $500 billion estimated to come. And whose
children will pay for it?

Seriously, I am amazed at how many people are basically illnumerate, for
whom real basics like long division are more than a stretch. If they can't
count, how can they possibly understand much of the disaster that the
Bushies have created? It would be interesting to compare basic math levels
by voting preference. Maybe a basic test like a long division problem,
placement of a decimal, writing of a billion and a million. Real
simplestuff.

Dave

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You're a sad sack piece of ****, Snedeker, if you can hate someone bad
enough to wish them dead. Man, that is a hate I have never faced or
hope to.

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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:17:40 -0700, "David Snedeker"
wrote:


"rw" wrote in message
om...
David Snedeker wrote:
"Tim J." wrote in message
. ..

rw wrote:

What could have persuaded people to vote for this transparently
loathsome creep?

The other two even more transparently loathsome creeps? Just a guess. .
.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------


No. Near as I can figure many of the Bush voters like to play dress-up.
So
when Bush staged the landing on the carrier, after having the carrier
turn
so the camera shots were seaward, and did the costume change to the
leather
jacket, it spoke directly to that part of the pocket-poolsters that
prefer
dress-up to real life people with real life experiences like Kerry and
Max
Cleland.

I have to believe that the people who still approve of Bush, despite the
abundant evidence of his bumbling incompetence and mendacity, are the
people who wouldn't mind if he ate their children.

--

Or . . . who are people who suck at math. or maybe both: $500 Billion is the
price of Iraq so far, with another $500 billion estimated to come. And whose
children will pay for it?

Seriously, I am amazed at how many people are basically illnumerate, for
whom real basics like long division are more than a stretch. If they can't
count, how can they possibly understand much of the disaster that the
Bushies have created? It would be interesting to compare basic math levels
by voting preference. Maybe a basic test like a long division problem,
placement of a decimal, writing of a billion and a million. Real
simplestuff.

Dave


As has already been amply demonstrated, counting how much money they have is
all the math ability some folks require - or even care to think about...

/daytripper ()

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
You're a sad sack piece of ****, Snedeker, if you can hate someone bad
enough to wish them dead. Man, that is a hate I have never faced or
hope to.



Oh the melodrama of it all. Hold the presses, I think perhaps Mother Teresa
has not died: She has been re-incarnated as (wait for it), "The Pirate."

Dave

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David Snedeker wrote:
It would be interesting to compare basic math levels
by voting preference. Maybe a basic test like a long division problem,
placement of a decimal, writing of a billion and a million. Real
simplestuff.

You would be greatly disappointed. Although it is far from
deterministic, an engineering organization (I think it was NSPE, but
don't remember for sure) found that engineers voted for GWB somewhere
in the high 60% area -- more in '04 than in 2000.
And no, I am sorry: I don't know where to look to find it -- so, since
I can't PPOR, you may disregard.

cheers

oz, who maintains HS math teachers don't count -- they went to schools
of education and thereby suffered neural atrophy

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That would be the NSPE but they don't typically represent engineers.
Their membership is mostly owners of small firms. Been there done
that. I quit because their agenda is not really engineering but
business and more pointedly makeing the owners more money. I don't
have a problem with that but they didn't seem to have many scruples
about it. They talked a good talk , lots about professionalism etc.
but not much action. I am not supprised they would go for bush,
probably smelling the crumbs that fall off the Haliburton plate.

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BJ Conner wrote:
That would be the NSPE but they don't typically represent engineers.
Their membership is mostly owners of small firms. Been there done
that. I quit because their agenda is not really engineering but
business and more pointedly makeing the owners more money. I don't
have a problem with that but they didn't seem to have many scruples
about it. They talked a good talk , lots about professionalism etc.
but not much action. I am not supprised they would go for bush,
probably smelling the crumbs that fall off the Haliburton plate.

That wasn't my experience. Although a disproportinate number were
CE's, I found their first priority was education and its improvement.
I served as state educational committee chair and MathCounts
coordinator and received tremendous support.

Aside: in one of his non-fiction pieces, Robert A. Heinlein wrote
(mistakes are from wetware inconsistency):
"Voting booths should require some test before a vote could be
recorded. For instance: the prospective voter is presented with a
quadratic equation. If he can solve it, the ballot is offered. If he
cannot, the booth opens and is empty."
He then went on to speculate that knowing the consequences, the dummies
would probably stay home.

cheers

oz, feeling sympathy for your experience

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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:18:28 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

As has already been amply demonstrated, counting how much money they have is
all the math ability some folks require - or even care to think about...

Yeah, and braggin' about how your screwin' your present employer and
moving to another when you return to work, and how much more money
you'll be makin' in your new job doesn't require a helluva lot of math
knowledge. CC + CC= CC

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:39:36 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:18:28 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

As has already been amply demonstrated, counting how much money they have is
all the math ability some folks require - or even care to think about...

Yeah, and braggin' about how your screwin' your present employer and
moving to another when you return to work, and how much more money
you'll be makin' in your new job doesn't require a helluva lot of math
knowledge. CC + CC= CC

Pray tell, what delusions are you going on about now?

/daytripper (who senses a stunning conclusion in the offing ;-)

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"MajorOz" wrote in message
oups.com...

BJ Conner wrote:
That would be the NSPE but they don't typically represent engineers.
Their membership is mostly owners of small firms. Been there done
that. I quit because their agenda is not really engineering but
business and more pointedly makeing the owners more money. I don't
have a problem with that but they didn't seem to have many scruples
about it. They talked a good talk , lots about professionalism etc.
but not much action. I am not supprised they would go for bush,
probably smelling the crumbs that fall off the Haliburton plate.

That wasn't my experience. Although a disproportinate number were
CE's, I found their first priority was education and its improvement.
I served as state educational committee chair and MathCounts
coordinator and received tremendous support.

Aside: in one of his non-fiction pieces, Robert A. Heinlein wrote
(mistakes are from wetware inconsistency):
"Voting booths should require some test before a vote could be
recorded. For instance: the prospective voter is presented with a
quadratic equation. If he can solve it, the ballot is offered. If he
cannot, the booth opens and is empty."
He then went on to speculate that knowing the consequences, the dummies
would probably stay home.

cheers

oz, feeling sympathy for your experience

Sometimes, in idle moments, I try to think of things that are intrinsically
more amusing than an adult taking Robert Heinlein seriously as anything more
than a journeyman writer of hackneyed cowboy stories for barely
post-pubescent boys with more hope than they have any right to. So far, the
only thing I've come up with is serious discussions in Usenet.

Wolfgang

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
You're a sad sack piece of ****, Snedeker, if you can hate someone bad
enough to wish them dead. Man, that is a hate I have never faced or
hope to.

Well, there's your problem. You SHOULD face it.

Wolfgang