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why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... whoa- are you saying you can use 8 and 10 pound line on a baitcasting reel ? I disagree- not very reliably !! Set the hook hard with 8 pound test on a baitcaster, and it's going to bury the line into the spool ! Those baitcasting rigs don't even get near reliable unless used with 14-15 pound test. This from an expert who's been using one for about a week. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... problem I had with line 12 lb. and less size, it would get behind the spool on the sides on the baitcasting reel- there's just enough space there for a piece of link to jam its way through- with the 15 lb. test that can't happen, as the line is physically too large to get stuck back there. That's a reel problem, not a line problem. Get a better reel, or one designed to use with smaller diameter line. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message ups.com... WARREN WOLK wrote: Amazing you had time to haul in 12 fish, considering all the backlashes & tangles you picked out. I fished for 9 hours over those 2 days. Spent 6 hours in the boat yesterday. Not only did I untangle the reel a zillion times- I'm now on my 3rd respool of line. Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills with all sorts of people. there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting reels- are they not just quite good at it ? your argument does not hold any water. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... You'll never have a backlash problem with a spinning reel. You may pull a few tangles out on a newly filled reel, but that will be it. You will have much more tangles with a baitcaster than a spinning rod. No, YOU will. I've seen people have horrendous problems with spinning reels. And all of a sudden, the "farther" argument for casting with baitcasters has disappeared. No, just for light lures, as I said. The way the line comes off a spinning reel means less friction, which is good for very light lures. When the lures get heavier, it really doesn't matter because a bait caster can't cast as far as he needs to, so it's moot. are you saying spinning reels are more prone to backlashes than baitcasters now ? that's a hoot... |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... If you think about it, it's actually common sense. A baitcaster reel has more internal friction than a spinning reel. Why don't you use your head man? There's a reason all the pros use casting reels, and it ain't because the manufacturers are twisting their arms. They could whatever kind of reel was the most popular. Figure out the reason instead of stating all the time what you "know" about casting reels and how to fish them. where the heck you've been hiding ?? wake up and smell the coffee- quite a few of those "pros" you speak of, are showing up with spinning and spincasting reels, more and more often. You need to get out more. I posted a valid question- why use a baitcaster- and a few calm, knowledgeable people posted very valid info. You posted the literal equivalent of a backlash. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message ups.com... question- considering the incessant amount of tangles and backlashes with ANY bait casting reel, and the fact your thumb must ride the spool at all times to (try to) prevent it- why would anyone bother even using a bait casting reel for fresh water fishing ? I can see the cranking advantage to a bait caster, for hauling in huge fish, and dragging lures through weeds, etc.. But in my actual experience, the bait casters can't cast as far, and not as accurately, as a cheap open face spinning reel or even a spincasting reel. Being able to thumb the reel GIVES you control, it doesn't take it away. Think about it. You fling a spincasting reel, and you're done. There's nothing you can do about it. Anyway, once you get over how to keep control of the reel, it's kind of like using a manual car instead of an automatic one. And there's a feeling of being in "direct drive" rather than going through an inefficient system - the line is "directly" attached to the reel, not going through some system of pulleys and gears to get there (exaggerating slightly :-) I'm getting the notion the reel industry is doing a lot of bs-ing to sell bait casters. Don't be ridiculous. For what possible reason? thumbing the reel adds friction, and will give control- at the cost of distance. you need to realize that baitcasters are slowly being superceded by spincasting and spinning reels, for bass especially read about it here http://www.fieldandstream.com/fields...456529,00.html Do A Little Jig Think small when largemouths get picky. by Mark Hicks Downsizing may have dire consequences when it comes to corporate America, but in bass fishing the concept can be a day saver. When bass grow temperamental, as they often do in response to cold fronts, fishing pressure, and other myriad factors, they curb their appetites for standard-size lures. Experienced anglers keep on getting bites by switching to small plastic baits, such as 4-inch finesse worms, but when bass are holding in thick cover, these are close to useless because they can't penetrate the brush. In this situation, Ron Yurko, who has won hundreds of thousands of dollars in tournaments held on small, overfished impoundments in his home state of Ohio, reaches for jigs that weigh only 1/8 ounce or so. While lightweight jigs have long been a mainstay for smallmouth and spotted bass anglers, Yurko is happy to admit that those who target largemouths have little regard for these diminutive lures. When other anglers can't buy a strike, Yurko consistently hooks bass by flipping, pitching, and casting his bantam jig to shallow cover. Aquatic vegetation, submerged wood, rocks, and boat docks all yield largemouths, including some heavyweights. Most hookups come from water 3 feet deep or less. Bantam Weights Yurko's go-to jig is a homemade 1/8-ounce model he dresses sparsely with either bucktail or squirrel hair. A few strands of thin rubber over the hair add the final touch. A subtle wire weedguard protrudes from the pointed jighead and shields the hook. Without a trailer, his creation looks more like a streamer fly than a bass jig. On the line, Yurko's bitty jig sinks slowly, settles lightly, and sneaks through cover. It lures bass close and coaxes a feeding response. The commercial model that most resembles Yurko's homemade one is the Big Buck Hair Jig from Venom Lures. Bass Pro Shops' Smallmouth Jig, which features a bucktail-and-silicone skirt, makes an excellent substitute when you fish rocky bottoms and sparse cover. Also available are a number of small-profile rubber-skirted jigs, such as Stanley's Smallmouth Bass Jig. Don't let these smallmouth tags throw you-tip these little jigs with tiny trailers, and they'll do a number on those fickle largemouths. Of course, every bass lure has drawbacks. Due to its lack of weight, a bitty jig is much more difficult to flip and pitch into teacup-size openings than a heavy one. Yurko employs Abu Garcia's discontinued model 507, an underslung spincasting reel that easily manages 20-pound line with a featherweight jig. Since it can be difficult to locate one of these vintage reels, your best option is a spinning outfit loaded with 12- to 14-pound-test. In superdense cover, try a thin superbraid coupled with Rippler's Lo-Pro Jig designed by Frank Scalish, the former Citgo BASS Master Tour Rookie of the Year. The slightly heavier Lo-Pro jigs come in 1/4- and 3/8-ounce sizes, yet maintain the small profile of a 1/8-ounce model. The wisp of added weight will help you probe the thick stuff, where a finicky bass is bound to be waiting for an appetizer. When you get back to the dock with a load of fish, do Yurko a favor: Don't tell anyone about your itty-bitty secret. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... If you think about it, it's actually common sense. A baitcaster reel has more internal friction than a spinning reel. Why don't you use your head man? There's a reason all the pros use casting reels, and it ain't because the manufacturers are twisting their arms. They could whatever kind of reel was the most popular. Figure out the reason instead of stating all the time what you "know" about casting reels and how to fish them. you really think all the pros use casting reels ? man, are you wrong. Some of those "pros" are stuffing 20 lb. test in Zebco spincasters, and tightening the drag all the way, and whipping the guys who have baitcasting reels http://www.fieldandstream.com/fields...456529,00.html "Of course, every bass lure has drawbacks. Due to its lack of weight, a bitty jig is much more difficult to flip and pitch into teacup-size openings than a heavy one. Yurko employs Abu Garcia's discontinued model 507, an underslung spincasting reel that easily manages 20-pound line with a featherweight jig. Since it can be difficult to locate one of these vintage reels, your best option is a spinning outfit loaded with 12- to 14-pound-test. " |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message ups.com... I've been fishing for 37 years now, and to say a baitcaster is more accurate, is very misleading- and downright incorrect. Wrong. You've been fishing a long time, which is not the same thing as saying you're experienced, or good, yet. And I've fished small streams and creeks with open faced spinning reels, that require far more precision than any baitcaster can give- No, they don't offer more precision. You just aren't good at it. But spinning gear does offer an advantage over casting gear with very light weight lures, and that's why you use spinning gear with very light lures. and would leave a baitcasting reel in a birdsnest tangle. For those who can't cast, yes. The only useful purpose I can see for a baitcaster, is fishing from a boat on large lakes and ocean, where the bait it tossed a few feet from the boat, and then trolled- and the fish are huge over 15 pounds. Ha ha ha ha ha. Calling that 1800's technology a "baitcaster" is somewhat of an oxymoron- it's a winch designed to haul up heavy fish- and a winch gets tangled when it spins backwards fast. The makers of those reals need to improve them a bit, to eliminate backlash. Virtually all of them do. They don't cast bait for crap ! YOU don't cast bait for crap. posted like a true bass pro ! |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
RichZ wrote: duty-honor-country wrote: question- considering the incessant amount of tangles and backlashes with ANY bait casting reel, You are blaming your own shortcomings on the hardware. Sad. My thoughts exactly... I grew up fishing the dug out coal mines in Illinois, where I fished nothing but spinning reels. Once we moved to Florida, I was introduced to baitcasters... I USED to HATE baitcasters, but soon found out from a local semi-pro fisherman that I was using it wrong... Duty-country-honor... sounds to me like you are angry at baitcasters for something which is your own fault: not learning the ins/outs... of the equipment you need to either: A) get lessons B) shut yer cake-hole baitcasters can be flipped much easier than a spinning real if they have a flipping release, and are much easier to control larger fish, maybe you should read your owners manual or download one? |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
On 8 Aug 2006 07:20:24 -0700, duty-honor-country wrote:
Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills with all sorts of people. there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting reels- are they not just quite good at it ? your argument does not hold any water. Yours makes no sense. Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster based on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a reel. The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many, many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them. There is a simple solution, just use your spinning gear and be happy and recognize that others use and enjoy baitcasters. Anything less makes you nothing more than a troll. -- -Gary |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
On 7 Aug 2006 19:12:08 -0700, duty-honor-country wrote:
I'll put 2 pound test on my Shimano spinning reel, with an ounce weight- and you'll be waiting for minutes for it to land- and using binoculars to see where it landed. I know that the first thing I reach for when fishing a one ounce lure is my ultra-light with two pound test. -- -Gary |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
But is that the appropriate bass fishing bait where you live? Guarentee that
I can do the same thing with a baitcaster... all the while switching hands and no thumb. Why would I want to put 2 pound test on my baitcaster though. It's not about distance, it's about putting my bait where I need it, using the right bait at the right time. Nothing else matters... Putting two pound test on anything and expecting to catch any sizable fish is just plain crazy... float-n-fly excluded. "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... Thundercat wrote: On 7 Aug 2006 14:22:26 -0700, "duty-honor-country" wrote: Who are you trying to kid ? Now all of a sudden, a spinning rod can't cast 200 feet ? Wake up and smell the coffee. Put a full spool light line on a good long spinning rod, with a heavy bottom weight- and try it one time. 200 feet casts no problem. Want to go that far heavier line, you say ?? just add weight and keep the spool topped off. Lets battle! I'll grab my Scorpion spooled w/ 20lb PowerPro, you get your contraption and I'll trip trap to whatever bridge you live under and we can go at it with nice simple 5" Senkos for distance. Accuracy count yes or no? . Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com I'll put 2 pound test on my Shimano spinning reel, with an ounce weight- and you'll be waiting for minutes for it to land- and using binoculars to see where it landed. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
casting is getting better and further. For comparison I brought along my spinning rig with a wooden plug- still able to cast much further with the spinning reel and more accurately. You never said what type of casting reel you are using or what type rod it's mounted on. That would make a difference in your ability to cast acurately as well as for distance.. It might be that your using a cheaper or older baitcaster. Technology has come a long way, but it's not cheap. My next reel will most likey be a Diawa ventro? I saw this reel the other day and it has a sweet little jigging button right over the spool, just tap it with your thumb and it reels up a bit of line, looks great for pulling in slack and working worms and jigs, roughly around 200.00 |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
lol, this troll is eating well. 2# test would snap if you tried to heave a
1 oz lure a mile with it. WW "Charles B. Summers" wrote in message ... But is that the appropriate bass fishing bait where you live? Guarentee that I can do the same thing with a baitcaster... all the while switching hands and no thumb. Why would I want to put 2 pound test on my baitcaster though. It's not about distance, it's about putting my bait where I need it, using the right bait at the right time. Nothing else matters... Putting two pound test on anything and expecting to catch any sizable fish is just plain crazy... float-n-fly excluded. "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... Thundercat wrote: On 7 Aug 2006 14:22:26 -0700, "duty-honor-country" wrote: Who are you trying to kid ? Now all of a sudden, a spinning rod can't cast 200 feet ? Wake up and smell the coffee. Put a full spool light line on a good long spinning rod, with a heavy bottom weight- and try it one time. 200 feet casts no problem. Want to go that far heavier line, you say ?? just add weight and keep the spool topped off. Lets battle! I'll grab my Scorpion spooled w/ 20lb PowerPro, you get your contraption and I'll trip trap to whatever bridge you live under and we can go at it with nice simple 5" Senkos for distance. Accuracy count yes or no? . Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com I'll put 2 pound test on my Shimano spinning reel, with an ounce weight- and you'll be waiting for minutes for it to land- and using binoculars to see where it landed. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message ups.com... WARREN WOLK wrote: Amazing you had time to haul in 12 fish, considering all the backlashes & tangles you picked out. I fished for 9 hours over those 2 days. Spent 6 hours in the boat yesterday. Not only did I untangle the reel a zillion times- I'm now on my 3rd respool of line. Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills with all sorts of people. there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting reels- are they not just quite good at it ? your argument does not hold any water. Really? Because bass pros use spinning equipment my argument that you're no good at casting doesn't hold water? Hilarious. How about the fact that as well as occasional spinning use, pro bass fishermen use casting gear by FAR more often? |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... You'll never have a backlash problem with a spinning reel. You may pull a few tangles out on a newly filled reel, but that will be it. You will have much more tangles with a baitcaster than a spinning rod. No, YOU will. I've seen people have horrendous problems with spinning reels. And all of a sudden, the "farther" argument for casting with baitcasters has disappeared. No, just for light lures, as I said. The way the line comes off a spinning reel means less friction, which is good for very light lures. When the lures get heavier, it really doesn't matter because a bait caster can't cast as far as he needs to, so it's moot. are you saying spinning reels are more prone to backlashes than baitcasters now ? What the HELL are you talking about? Go look up "non sequitur" and see what you think |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... If you think about it, it's actually common sense. A baitcaster reel has more internal friction than a spinning reel. Why don't you use your head man? There's a reason all the pros use casting reels, and it ain't because the manufacturers are twisting their arms. They could whatever kind of reel was the most popular. Figure out the reason instead of stating all the time what you "know" about casting reels and how to fish them. where the heck you've been hiding ?? wake up and smell the coffee- quite a few of those "pros" you speak of, are showing up with spinning and spincasting reels, more and more often. You need to get out more. So? They still use casting gear most often. And according to you, it can't be done without hopelessly tangling their gear and wasting fishing time. I wonder why they would do that all day long? Did you hear anyone here say there is no place for spinning gear among serious bass fishermen? I posted a valid question- why use a baitcaster No you didn't. You keep trolling and you're getting plenty of what you deserve. You came to argue and trash something you don't understand because you have very little experience with it. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... If you think about it, it's actually common sense. A baitcaster reel has more internal friction than a spinning reel. Why don't you use your head man? There's a reason all the pros use casting reels, and it ain't because the manufacturers are twisting their arms. They could whatever kind of reel was the most popular. Figure out the reason instead of stating all the time what you "know" about casting reels and how to fish them. you really think all the pros use casting reels ? Yes. Most use it most of the time. Most use other gear sometimes. Some use other gear maybe even more often. You really have trouble with logic and debate, about as much as you have trouble bait casting. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... I'm getting the notion the reel industry is doing a lot of bs-ing to sell bait casters. Don't be ridiculous. For what possible reason? thumbing the reel adds friction, and will give control- at the cost of distance. The reel industry is bs-ing to sell bait casters because the reel adds friction? Can you read or are you just being as annoying as possible? |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message ups.com... WARREN WOLK wrote: Amazing you had time to haul in 12 fish, considering all the backlashes & tangles you picked out. I fished for 9 hours over those 2 days. Spent 6 hours in the boat yesterday. Not only did I untangle the reel a zillion times- I'm now on my 3rd respool of line. Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills with all sorts of people. there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting reels- are they not just quite good at it ? your argument does not hold any water. Really? Because bass pros use spinning equipment my argument that you're no good at casting doesn't hold water? Hilarious. How about the fact that as well as occasional spinning use, pro bass fishermen use casting gear by FAR more often? yes, your argument doesn't hold any water- because you attack people you don't even know, over fishing tackle preferences. We're talking fishing tackle here, not people. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... jeffc wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... You'll never have a backlash problem with a spinning reel. You may pull a few tangles out on a newly filled reel, but that will be it. You will have much more tangles with a baitcaster than a spinning rod. No, YOU will. I've seen people have horrendous problems with spinning reels. And all of a sudden, the "farther" argument for casting with baitcasters has disappeared. No, just for light lures, as I said. The way the line comes off a spinning reel means less friction, which is good for very light lures. When the lures get heavier, it really doesn't matter because a bait caster can't cast as far as he needs to, so it's moot. are you saying spinning reels are more prone to backlashes than baitcasters now ? What the HELL are you talking about? Go look up "non sequitur" and see what you think semantics |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
Gary Udstrand wrote: On 8 Aug 2006 07:20:24 -0700, duty-honor-country wrote: Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills with all sorts of people. there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting reels- are they not just quite good at it ? your argument does not hold any water. Yours makes no sense. Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster based on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a reel. The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many, many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them. There is a simple solution, just use your spinning gear and be happy and recognize that others use and enjoy baitcasters. Anything less makes you nothing more than a troll. -- -Gary I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for, is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance issues- i.e. backlash tangles. You're forgetting, I bought one. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
Alwaysfishking wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message casting is getting better and further. For comparison I brought along my spinning rig with a wooden plug- still able to cast much further with the spinning reel and more accurately. You never said what type of casting reel you are using or what type rod it's mounted on. That would make a difference in your ability to cast acurately as well as for distance.. It might be that your using a cheaper or older baitcaster. Technology has come a long way, but it's not cheap. My next reel will most likey be a Diawa ventro? I saw this reel the other day and it has a sweet little jigging button right over the spool, just tap it with your thumb and it reels up a bit of line, looks great for pulling in slack and working worms and jigs, roughly around 200.00 Yes, earlier in the thread I stated it's a Shimano open faced spinning reel with fighting drag- and now that you ask, it is an Abu Garcia graphite rod. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
Gary Udstrand wrote: On 7 Aug 2006 19:12:08 -0700, duty-honor-country wrote: I'll put 2 pound test on my Shimano spinning reel, with an ounce weight- and you'll be waiting for minutes for it to land- and using binoculars to see where it landed. I know that the first thing I reach for when fishing a one ounce lure is my ultra-light with two pound test. -- -Gary hey, it's a casting contest. It's not a fishing contest. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
Charles B. Summers wrote: But is that the appropriate bass fishing bait where you live? Guarentee that I can do the same thing with a baitcaster... all the while switching hands and no thumb. Why would I want to put 2 pound test on my baitcaster though. It's not about distance, it's about putting my bait where I need it, using the right bait at the right time. Nothing else matters... Putting two pound test on anything and expecting to catch any sizable fish is just plain crazy... float-n-fly excluded. "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... Thundercat wrote: On 7 Aug 2006 14:22:26 -0700, "duty-honor-country" wrote: Who are you trying to kid ? Now all of a sudden, a spinning rod can't cast 200 feet ? Wake up and smell the coffee. Put a full spool light line on a good long spinning rod, with a heavy bottom weight- and try it one time. 200 feet casts no problem. Want to go that far heavier line, you say ?? just add weight and keep the spool topped off. Lets battle! I'll grab my Scorpion spooled w/ 20lb PowerPro, you get your contraption and I'll trip trap to whatever bridge you live under and we can go at it with nice simple 5" Senkos for distance. Accuracy count yes or no? . Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com I'll put 2 pound test on my Shimano spinning reel, with an ounce weight- and you'll be waiting for minutes for it to land- and using binoculars to see where it landed. The man thinks he can outcast a spinning rod, while he uses 20 pound test. He's mistaken. Even if there was 8 lb. test on the spinning rig, it would cast further. And you could still haul in a 6 pound bass. So this is a matter of semantics and a moot point. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
WARREN WOLK wrote: lol, this troll is eating well. 2# test would snap if you tried to heave a 1 oz lure a mile with it. WW "Charles B. Summers" wrote in message ... But is that the appropriate bass fishing bait where you live? Guarentee that I can do the same thing with a baitcaster... all the while switching hands and no thumb. Why would I want to put 2 pound test on my baitcaster though. It's not about distance, it's about putting my bait where I need it, using the right bait at the right time. Nothing else matters... Putting two pound test on anything and expecting to catch any sizable fish is just plain crazy... float-n-fly excluded. "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... Thundercat wrote: On 7 Aug 2006 14:22:26 -0700, "duty-honor-country" wrote: Who are you trying to kid ? Now all of a sudden, a spinning rod can't cast 200 feet ? Wake up and smell the coffee. Put a full spool light line on a good long spinning rod, with a heavy bottom weight- and try it one time. 200 feet casts no problem. Want to go that far heavier line, you say ?? just add weight and keep the spool topped off. Lets battle! I'll grab my Scorpion spooled w/ 20lb PowerPro, you get your contraption and I'll trip trap to whatever bridge you live under and we can go at it with nice simple 5" Senkos for distance. Accuracy count yes or no? . Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com I'll put 2 pound test on my Shimano spinning reel, with an ounce weight- and you'll be waiting for minutes for it to land- and using binoculars to see where it landed. maybe on the 3rd cast it may break. But it would still outcast a baitcaster for distance, the baitcaster using 20 lb. test- that's a laughable challenge on the baitcaster's part ! He would not have a chance. heck, one could outcast him with 6 pound test on a spinning rod just as easily. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message SNIP I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for, is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance issues- i.e. backlash tangles. You're forgetting, I bought one. Yeah fine, you bought one. But what kind? There is a world of difference in quality and castability of baitcast reels. That's like saying, I think all cars suck because I bought and drove a Pinto! I use primarily Shimano Curado, Chronarch and Cardiff reels. I reliably, accurately and as far as I want to cast lures as light as 1/4 oz. with my baitcasting tackle. One thing you haven't mentioned is what kind of reel you're using, what brand/kind of line and what rod you're using. The rod you use is an important part of the casting equation. Years ago, I worked in a bait/tackle shop. I had a middle-aged guy come in, asking for assistance with some fishing tackle he had purchased elsewhere. He explained that he was having trouble casting his new baitcaster without bird's nests. Since we were slow at the time, I went out into the parking lot with him. He had an Ambassaduer 5500 reel (a decent enough reel), mated with a 9 foot fly rod (and a cheap one at that)!!! Well duh, no wonder why he was having trouble casting!!! So, tell me exactly what reel you're using, what rod you have (brand, power rating and line/lure rating). I also need to know the line you're using and is the rod rated moderate, fast, extra-fast, what is the total package you're attempting to use with so much difficulty. To carry the car analogy further, it's hard to get Indy Car performance when the car is riding on Wal-Mart tires. The reel might be the problem, it might be the rod too. So, before you start slamming baitcasting tackle as obsolete technology, only good for winching fish out, or the tackle companies out to pull a fast one, enlighten us with your complete setup. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... Alwaysfishking wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message casting is getting better and further. For comparison I brought along my spinning rig with a wooden plug- still able to cast much further with the spinning reel and more accurately. You never said what type of casting reel you are using or what type rod it's mounted on. That would make a difference in your ability to cast acurately as well as for distance.. It might be that your using a cheaper or older baitcaster. Technology has come a long way, but it's not cheap. My next reel will most likey be a Diawa ventro? I saw this reel the other day and it has a sweet little jigging button right over the spool, just tap it with your thumb and it reels up a bit of line, looks great for pulling in slack and working worms and jigs, roughly around 200.00 Yes, earlier in the thread I stated it's a Shimano open faced spinning reel with fighting drag- and now that you ask, it is an Abu Garcia graphite rod. But, what kind of Abu Garcia graphite rod? What is the power rating, what is the line rating, what is the lure weight range and is it a moderate, fast or extra-fast taper? All that information should be on the label of the rod. Now, what brand and model of baitcast reel? -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater?
duty-honor-country wrote:
whoa- are you saying you can use 8 and 10 pound line on a baitcasting reel ? I disagree- not very reliably !! You have no business telling me or anyone else what is or isn't possible with tackle that you don't use and haven't bothered to master. I used 8 on casting tackle all through the spring for throwing jerkbaits. I use 10 on casting tackle for virtually all light jigging. Hell, I won a Ranger in a tourney more than 20 years ago and every single fish I caught in that tourney was caught on 10 pound test line on a casting rod, throwing a 1/4 oz jig & pig. You really need to refrain from spouting off about something you know nothing whatsoever about. |
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"duty-honor-country" wrote in message SNIP The man thinks he can outcast a spinning rod, while he uses 20 pound test. He's mistaken. Even if there was 8 lb. test on the spinning rig, it would cast further. And you could still haul in a 6 pound bass. So this is a matter of semantics and a moot point. LOL, don't discount Harry. I've seen him cast and I wouldn't put it past him to outcast a spinning rod while using 20 pound line on a baitcast rod. And, come on up to the Northwoods Classic next month. You can fish with me using 8 pound test and a spinning rod. I'll fish nothing but my baitcast equipment. At the end of two days of fishing, we'll see who has more fish weight landed! It's not semantics, it's reasonable and responsible angling. Fishing isn't about who can cast the furthest, it's about hooking and LANDING fish! -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... Thundercat wrote: On 7 Aug 2006 14:22:26 -0700, "duty-honor-country" wrote: Who are you trying to kid ? Now all of a sudden, a spinning rod can't cast 200 feet ? Wake up and smell the coffee. Put a full spool light line on a good long spinning rod, with a heavy bottom weight- and try it one time. 200 feet casts no problem. Want to go that far heavier line, you say ?? just add weight and keep the spool topped off. Lets battle! I'll grab my Scorpion spooled w/ 20lb PowerPro, you get your contraption and I'll trip trap to whatever bridge you live under and we can go at it with nice simple 5" Senkos for distance. Accuracy count yes or no? . Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com I'll put 2 pound test on my Shimano spinning reel, with an ounce weight- and you'll be waiting for minutes for it to land- and using binoculars to see where it landed. "Charles B. Summers" wrote in message ... But is that the appropriate bass fishing bait where you live? Guarentee that I can do the same thing with a baitcaster... all the while switching hands and no thumb. Why would I want to put 2 pound test on my baitcaster though. It's not about distance, it's about putting my bait where I need it, using the right bait at the right time. Nothing else matters... Putting two pound test on anything and expecting to catch any sizable fish is just plain crazy... float-n-fly excluded. lol, this troll is eating well. 2# test would snap if you tried to heave a 1 oz lure a mile with it. WW It would make for an interesting sight. His 1oz weight sitting 3 feet behind him after snapping his 2 lb test line while trying to create enough velocity to heave the thing farther than I can with my curmudgeonly old bait caster. Simple things amuse me. For the record, it appears that many of my posts are not showing up here so I am forced to use this Google stuff. My (joke of an) ISP is well, a joke. :) .. Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com |
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duty-honor-country wrote:
man, are you wrong. Some of those "pros" are stuffing 20 lb. test in Zebco spincasters, and tightening the drag all the way, and whipping the guys who have baitcasting reels Name them. Don't quote the article referenced below. It's about ONE guy doing something totally different, who is forced to use an oddball discontinued reel (not a common zebco spincast reel as you intimated) to use very light lures in very heavy cover. And guess what -- there are hundreds of pros out there using casting and flipping gear to present similar lures. Further, as soon as he switches to heavier lures, you can be Mr Yurko switches to casting gear. http://www.fieldandstream.com/fields...456529,00.html You keep mentioning distance, but casting distance is very close to being irrelevant in bass fishing. I probably fish farther from my quarry than most bass anglers, and have no problems reaching them with casting tackle -- and I'm not even close to the most skilled caster I know. I'm done. I do not suffer fools gladly, and have grown quite weary of arguing with one. It's apparent by the amount of time you have invested in this thread that you are in serious need of a life. I, on the other hand have one, and the time I'm willing to take from it for this matter has expired. |
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"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
ps.com... Gary Udstrand wrote: Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster based on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a reel. The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many, many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them. I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for, is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance issues- i.e. backlash tangles. Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just yourself. No one can speak for why you would or would not use one. What people _are_ addressing is why they (and most people_ use baitcasters. If you don't agree, don't. But the fact is clear... most people use baitcasters because they _are_ more accurate. |
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"duty-honor-country" wrote in message s.com... yes, your argument doesn't hold any water- because you attack people you don't even know, over fishing tackle preferences. We're talking fishing tackle here, not people. Bwahahahahahaha. It's not your "preference". You've argued with every person here, and every person here has told you the exact same thing. You're dogmatic and argumentative and you wonder why someone gives you a hard time back. You fairly new to Usenet? |
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"duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... are you saying spinning reels are more prone to backlashes than baitcasters now ? What the HELL are you talking about? Go look up "non sequitur" and see what you think semantics You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? |
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"Todd Copeland" wrote in message ink.net... Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just yourself. No one can speak for why you would or would not use one. I'll give it a shot. He's incompetant with bait casting tackle. However, I'm getting the impression he's either pretty dumb, or pretty competant at trolling Usenet. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater?
I have a pimped (super-tuned) Pixy on a Megabass F0-60X Elese
(1/16-1/2oz, 2-12# line) with 4# Yozuri Soft spooled and it will cast a 1/8oz Rat-L-Trap well over 100'. I have an identical pimped Pixy (with a drag upgrade coming + the super-tuning done to it's twin) on the Megabass F7-711X Seven-Eleven (Fast, ¼-2 oz., 10-30lbs.) Telescopic with 20# PowerPro braid spooled. This thing is a pitchin' and flippin' monster. I find that some baitcasters cast light weights better than others but IMHO, distance isn't a big factor in the decision to go with a spinner until you get down to 1/16-1/32oz. My spinning gear is all UL and only gets used for panfish. OMT, I only tried shootin' docks one time with a baitcaster. :-) duty-honor-country wrote: I can cast hundreds of feet with my spinning reel- and hardly 100 feet with a bait caster with a lug nut attached for weight. I'm getting the notion the reel industry is doing a lot of bs-ing to sell bait casters. skeptic bordering on cynic... |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: ... But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ... Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way. I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip, fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a 15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just the right amount of pressure with the fly rod. -- Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-) I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-) |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
Todd Copeland wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote in message ps.com... Gary Udstrand wrote: Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster based on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a reel. The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many, many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them. I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for, is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance issues- i.e. backlash tangles. Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just yourself. No one can speak for why you would or would not use one. What people _are_ addressing is why they (and most people_ use baitcasters. If you don't agree, don't. But the fact is clear... most people use baitcasters because they _are_ more accurate. I have yet to see this accuracy advantage. I also shoot and own many guns. More accurate ones are obvious from the first 3 shots. This reel scatters the lure all over the place. My Shimano spinning reel is actually more accurate. |
why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?
jeffc wrote: "Todd Copeland" wrote in message ink.net... Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just yourself. No one can speak for why you would or would not use one. I'll give it a shot. He's incompetant with bait casting tackle. However, I'm getting the impression he's either pretty dumb, or pretty competant at trolling Usenet. I've got 2 shingles hanging on the wall here. How many do you have ?? Oh, that's right...none. |
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