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Opus wrote: "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial. Wolfgang who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation is at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this audience. Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS? Op Why not? As long as they're a natural born U.S. citizen. |
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"xorbit" wrote in message ... Opus wrote: "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial. Wolfgang who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation is at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this audience. Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS? Op Why not? As long as they're a natural born U.S. citizen. "Persons born in Puerto Rico acquire U.S. citizenship under 8 U.S.C. 1402, which is part of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act. This is statutory citizenship rather than citizenship arising from birth or naturalization in a state of the union under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution." This would seem to exclude Puerto Ricans from the status of "natural born U.S. citizen." Unless, of course, you mean to suggest that "natural born" only excludes those delivered by caesarian section. Wolfgang who makes no claim to specialized knowledge of obstetrical practices in samoa. |
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"xorbit" wrote in message ... Opus wrote: "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial. Wolfgang who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation is at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this audience. Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS? Op Why not? As long as they're a natural born U.S. citizen. But are they? Persons born in Puerto Rico acquire U.S. citizenship under 8 U.S.C. 1402, which is part of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act. ***This is statutory citizenship rather than citizenship arising from birth or naturalization in a state of the union under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. http://www.puertorico-herald.org/iss...nship-en.shtml Op |
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"rb608" wrote in message ups.com... Opus wrote: Besides, I would vote for a child molester or Satan before I'd vote for a Dem. or Repub.! Lest it need be said, those are not mutually exclusive. :-) Joe F. Well, yeah. Op |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:39:29 -0600, Conan The Librarian
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:29:13 -0600, Conan The Librarian wrote: Not that I disagree with you, but evidently at least one big name on the right has a different take. "Big name on the right?" Please. I'd say someone who held the position of House Majority leader is a big name. Thus neatly explaining the CONSTANT Democratic invocation of "WWJD?"...you know, "what would John (McCormack) do?" ...why, heck, that was probably the REAL reason the Dems got control of Congress... HTH, R ....hell, I'd bet big that if you asked 1000 US citizens "who is/was Tom DeLay," 90% of the answers would be split about equally among something like "Whuden he that guy Paris Hilton was bangin' in that video?" and "The guy on TV who sells that stuff that stops guys from shootin' their load too fast...no, honey, that guy was the guy who owned the banana company...naw, you're crazy - THAT guy sells them pills that get limp dicks hard. That Delay fella sells the **** that stops ya from comin' too fast...besides, it's a pineapple factory, not a banana company..." And of course, Jim was Dudley Do's brother... Chuck Vance |
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On 13 Dec 2006 18:33:37 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: wrote in news:3q40o2t03jvo5ku5cohimmh8lp4m3kuodi@ 4ax.com: If he joins up with McCain, they could both ignore whoever the opponents wind up being. McCain is a has-been before he even starts. He was bitch-slapped by the Bush campaign during his run for candidacy, and did nothing about it. Schoolyard rules say this takes him out of contention, and probably should. You take a guy who the world knows won't stand up for what's right, and he'll just be jacked up all over the world, kind of like the Sauds are jacking up GW today by threatening to support the Sunnis in Iraq. Unless all Sunni, Shi'a, and Saudis suddenly show up at a LA nightclub with Lindsay Lohan and without panties, and flash some shaved snapper while climbing out of a Bentley, the average American voter won't know or care about what they do... |
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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Using that kind of logic, the fact that your average Joe on the street can't find Japan on the map means Japan is not an economic force. Chuck Vance (that's lame, even for you, Richard) No, in Rah's case, Japan simply ceases to exist. It's really quite simple, and that's best for Rah's level of reasoning. Op |
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wrote in message ... Unless all Sunni, Shi'a, and Saudis suddenly show up at a LA nightclub with Lindsay Lohan and without panties, and flash some shaved snapper while climbing out of a Bentley, the average American voter won't know or care about what they do... Funny how they noticed that the Congress was in need of a house and senate cleaning? Oh well, we can just sit back and watch the Republicans take advantage of their reduced numbers. I'm sure it was all part of a grand intelligent design. Op |
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wrote in message ... On 13 Dec 2006 18:33:37 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: wrote in news:3q40o2t03jvo5ku5cohimmh8lp4m3kuodi@ 4ax.com: If he joins up with McCain, they could both ignore whoever the opponents wind up being. McCain is a has-been before he even starts. He was bitch-slapped by the Bush campaign during his run for candidacy, and did nothing about it. Schoolyard rules say this takes him out of contention, and probably should. You take a guy who the world knows won't stand up for what's right, and he'll just be jacked up all over the world, kind of like the Sauds are jacking up GW today by threatening to support the Sunnis in Iraq. Unless all Sunni, Shi'a, and Saudis suddenly show up at a LA nightclub with Lindsay Lohan and without panties, and flash some shaved snapper while climbing out of a Bentley, the average American voter won't know or care about what they do... You ever notice how you get ever more pathetic as you get slapped around in each and every thread you participate in? You know why that is. Wolfgang and, yes, the rest of us do too. :) |
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On 13 Dec 2006 18:36:19 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: wrote in news:3q40o2t03jvo5ku5cohimmh8lp4m3kuodi@ 4ax.com: And anyone wanna bet that Hillary (or her campaign) will bring up his skin color at least once? Yeah, just watch Hillary make a play for the blind, the only constituency in the country who might not already know that Barak Obama is a black man. Er, no. It'll likely be some backhand "compliment(s)" encompassing all or some of the following: To remind the white racists that he might look darned near like actual people...you know, white...but there's still a lot of coon in the woodpile, to remind the black racists that he might look damned near like actual people...you know, black...but there's still a lot of milk in the coffee, and perhaps most importantly, to remind the guilty white liberals that while he's just as equal as they are, it really isn't fair to subject a poor, downtrodden black man to the sacrifices she's prepared to make...and in any case, reminding all that you just can't trust those of possible conflicting racial loyalties to wink, wink "do the _right_ thing"...with any luck, given all the directions she'll be wink-winking in, there'll be some amusing videotape of her looking like she's sending Morse code... |
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McCain is a has-been before he even starts. He was bitch-slapped by the Bush campaign during his run for candidacy, and did nothing about it. Schoolyard rules say this takes him out of contention, and probably should. You take a guy who the world knows won't stand up for what's right, and he'll just be jacked up all over the world, kind of like the Sauds are jacking up GW today by threatening to support the Sunnis in Iraq. McCain lost me when he said he thought Intelligent Design should be taught alongside Evolution. I know he was pandering and they all have to do some of that, but I don't believe he needed to do it then, on that particular issue. My opinion opinion of him was further diminished when he folded under pressure on Military Commissions Act 2006. Giuliano is polling better then McCain right now. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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wrote in message ... On 13 Dec 2006 18:36:19 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: wrote in news:3q40o2t03jvo5ku5cohimmh8lp4m3kuodi@ 4ax.com: And anyone wanna bet that Hillary (or her campaign) will bring up his skin color at least once? Yeah, just watch Hillary make a play for the blind, the only constituency in the country who might not already know that Barak Obama is a black man. Er, no. It'll likely be some backhand "compliment(s)" encompassing all or some of the following: To remind the white racists that he might look darned near like actual people...you know, white...but there's still a lot of coon in the woodpile, to remind the black racists that he might look damned near like actual people...you know, black...but there's still a lot of milk in the coffee, and perhaps most importantly, to remind the guilty white liberals that while he's just as equal as they are, it really isn't fair to subject a poor, downtrodden black man to the sacrifices she's prepared to make...and in any case, reminding all that you just can't trust those of possible conflicting racial loyalties to wink, wink "do the _right_ thing"...with any luck, given all the directions she'll be wink-winking in, there'll be some amusing videotape of her looking like she's sending Morse code... Hopefully, most minds in America don't work like that gob of **** between your ears. Op --who's aware that white supremacist and racists do exist, but is thankful they don't exist in the numbers that Rah fantasizes about.-- |
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No, in Rah's case, Japan simply ceases to exist. Maybe Japan ought to start hanging around with Lindsey Lohan. :-) Joe F. |
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On 13 Dec 2006 10:35:24 -0800, "rb608" wrote:
wrote: ...hell, I'd bet big that if you asked 1000 US citizens "who is/was Tom DeLay," 90% of the answers would be split about equally among something like "Whuden he that guy ... If you limit that sample to people who are registered voters and who actually show up at the polls, I'll take that bet. Out-of-nowhere netroots candidate Ciro Rodriguez (D) just kicked incumbent Henry Bonilla's ass (R) in one of the Texas districts Delay gerrymandered. To which I can only say, ahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't blame you for disingenuously trying to pretend Delay isn't an R powerbroker, but anybody who watches the news, even Fox news, knows otherwise. If you think DeLay was _ever_ a (real) "powerbroker," you don't know much about powerbrokers. He was little more than a hired hatchet, useful while he was useful, who got a little too big for his britches. His power was on loan, and the loan was called. Do you honestly think a real powerbroker, Dem or GOP, would be peddling $52USD subs to his ****ant little hateblog AND only getting 100 suckers to sign up? R |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:03:03 -0600, Conan The Librarian
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:39:29 -0600, Conan The Librarian wrote: I'd say someone who held the position of House Majority leader is a big name. ...hell, I'd bet big that if you asked 1000 US citizens "who is/was Tom DeLay," 90% of the answers would be split about equally among something like "Whuden he that guy Paris Hilton was bangin' in that video?" and Ah, so because some hypothetical Joe Sixpack doesn't know who DeLay is, he magically is no longer a major player in American politics? See my reply to Joe - he was never a real player, at least not on his own. R |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:47:39 -0500, GM wrote:
Scott Seidman wrote: McCain is a has-been before he even starts. He was bitch-slapped by the Bush campaign during his run for candidacy, and did nothing about it. Schoolyard rules say this takes him out of contention, and probably should. You take a guy who the world knows won't stand up for what's right, and he'll just be jacked up all over the world, kind of like the Sauds are jacking up GW today by threatening to support the Sunnis in Iraq. McCain lost me when he said he thought Intelligent Design should be taught alongside Evolution. I know he was pandering and they all have to do some of that, but I don't believe he needed to do it then, on that particular issue. My opinion opinion of him was further diminished when he folded under pressure on Military Commissions Act 2006. First, people cannot be "taught evolution" or "intelligent design," they can only be informed about them (or "taught _about_ them, if you prefer). That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both, as well as about religion. I don't think "intelligent design" is the way life came about and evolution is the more-reasonable explanation, but I'm certainly aware of both, and I'd make sure my children were as well. And I think you'll find that most voters would want their kids as well-educated as possible, and many of those would truly believe that intelligent design is the more-reasonable explanation. Giuliano is polling better then McCain right now. "Giuliano"...was that the guy in the porno with Paris Hilton, or the guy Tony, Bruce Springsteen's guitar player, and the guy with the Fraankenschteen's Bride hairdo whacked in the season finale of the Sopranos? HTH, R |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... wrote in news:qum0o2975niv3nl54pu7e5gbraqs7d6e8d@ 4ax.com: That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both, as well as about religion. Exactly. Children should learn about evolution in science class, and about intelligent design in whichever class they learn about Apollo dragging the sun across the sky with his chariot. -- Scott I'm not sure I agree with ya here Scott. I believe the courts said that "intelligent design" belonged on the shelves of comic book stores. Op |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:47:39 -0500, GM wrote: First, people cannot be "taught evolution" or "intelligent design," they can only be informed about them (or "taught _about_ them, if you prefer). That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both, as well as about religion. I don't think "intelligent design" is the way life came about and evolution is the more-reasonable explanation, but I'm certainly aware of both, and I'd make sure my children were as well. And I think you'll find that most voters would want their kids as well-educated as possible, and many of those would truly believe that intelligent design is the more-reasonable explanation. R If you allow your children--heaven forbid that you actually have any--to be taught "intelligent design," it's no wonder that you say the **** that you do! And yes, people can be "taught" evolution and they can be taught about it too. Op |
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wrote in message ... On 13 Dec 2006 10:35:24 -0800, "rb608" wrote: wrote: ...hell, I'd bet big that if you asked 1000 US citizens "who is/was Tom DeLay," 90% of the answers would be split about equally among something like "Whuden he that guy ... If you limit that sample to people who are registered voters and who actually show up at the polls, I'll take that bet. Out-of-nowhere netroots candidate Ciro Rodriguez (D) just kicked incumbent Henry Bonilla's ass (R) in one of the Texas districts Delay gerrymandered. To which I can only say, ahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't blame you for disingenuously trying to pretend Delay isn't an R powerbroker, but anybody who watches the news, even Fox news, knows otherwise. If you think DeLay was _ever_ a (real) "powerbroker," you don't know much about powerbrokers. He was little more than a hired hatchet, useful while he was useful, who got a little too big for his britches. His power was on loan, and the loan was called. Do you honestly think a real powerbroker, Dem or GOP, would be peddling $52USD subs to his ****ant little hateblog AND only getting 100 suckers to sign up? R What meds are you on. I need a re-fill. Op |
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wrote in message ... First, people cannot be "taught evolution" or "intelligent design," they can only be informed about them (or "taught _about_ them, if you prefer). At first glance that sounds about as stupid as the rest of the horse**** you spout. But when one stops to reflect on the evidence, one can hardly deny that YOU, at any rate, can't be taught anything. Then again, you can't be taught ABOUT anything either. Looks like you're still just a punching bag either way. That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both, as well as about religion. Sure, people should be taught "about" (hee, hee, hee) all kinds of things. Trouble is, they aren't interested in learning. Look at you, for instance. I don't think "intelligent design" is the way life came about Oh? Really? You don't think so? Hm.....yet another position I have to reconsider. and evolution is the more-reasonable explanation, Gosh......ya think? Seriously? but I'm certainly aware of both, Thus providing yet more ammunition to religious zealots......miracles DO happen. and I'd make sure my children were as well. You're a liar. You'd fill their heads with the same dithering and blithering angst as your own. And I think you'll find that most voters would want their kids as well-educated as possible, Horse****. They want their children to believe the same crap they do. and many of those would truly believe that intelligent design is the more-reasonable explanation. THAT is true......they noes it in ther hahrts. Giuliano is polling better then McCain right now. "Giuliano"...was that the guy in the porno with Paris Hilton, or the guy Tony, Bruce Springsteen's guitar player, and the guy with the Fraankenschteen's Bride hairdo whacked in the season finale of the Sopranos? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Wolfgang |
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"Opus" wrote in
: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... wrote in news:qum0o2975niv3nl54pu7e5gbraqs7d6e8d@ 4ax.com: That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both, as well as about religion. Exactly. Children should learn about evolution in science class, and about intelligent design in whichever class they learn about Apollo dragging the sun across the sky with his chariot. -- Scott I'm not sure I agree with ya here Scott. I believe the courts said that "intelligent design" belonged on the shelves of comic book stores. Op I'm particularly sensitive to this issue. History of Science is a hobby of mine, and I teach it whenever there's an opportunity. The Scientific Revolution (in the sense of the nickname of the 1450's- 1550's, not the Kuhnian sense) happened because scientists managed to shed the religious dogma that people like Aquinas managed to wrap around the Ptolemaic Universe, with its crystalline celestial spheres moving heavenly bodies in perfectly circular orbits around the earth. Even my scientific hero, Tycho Brahe (who I named my parrot after, cause his beak looks a little metallic), fell victim to this dogma, and supported a geocentric solar system. Read Brahe's wikipedia entry, if so inclined-- he was a real hoot). Inquisitors teach this kind of intelligent design crap and call it science. The enlightened do not. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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"rb608" wrote in news:1166043073.560987.269080@
73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com: Many of those might believe the earth is flat; but that doesn't mean we should squander resources teaching it in school. Turns out that this flat earth thing is a myth, tracable to Washington Irving's book about Columbus!! By about 50BC, everyone generally believed that the Earth was spherical. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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On 13 Dec 2006 20:46:43 GMT, Scott Seidman
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wrote in message ... On 13 Dec 2006 20:46:43 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: Inquisitors teach this kind of intelligent design crap and call it science. The enlightened do not. That's pretty bold, calling something "crap" when you don't know anything whatsoever about it. Teach us, oh solon. Um.....well, o.k., teach us "about", anyway. Seriously. Wolfgang |
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Scott Seidman wrote: "rb608" wrote in news:1166043073.560987.269080@ 73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com: Many of those might believe the earth is flat; but that doesn't mean we should squander resources teaching it in school. Turns out that this flat earth thing is a myth, tracable to Washington Irving's book about Columbus!! By about 50BC, everyone generally believed that the Earth was spherical. Swap it for sun orbiting the earth, the result is the same. - Ken |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... "rb608" wrote in news:1166043073.560987.269080@ 73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com: Many of those might believe the earth is flat; but that doesn't mean we should squander resources teaching it in school. Turns out that this flat earth thing is a myth, tracable to Washington Irving's book about Columbus!! By about 50BC, everyone generally believed that the Earth was spherical. Actually, the story isn't quite that simple. The flat versus spherical debate (not to mention infinite variations) raged for a long time. It certainly IS true that most educated people knew a long time ago that the question had been settled, but it was by no means a dead issue as late as the mid-15th century......any more than evolution versus intelligent design is today. Washington Irving may have popularized the myth about Columbus, but many of the sailors aboard his vessels undoubtedly had serious concerns about this spherical Earth "theory." Incidentally, while Columbus was obviously right about the shape of the Earth, he was WAY wrong about its size (thus leading him to believe that he'd arrived at the East Indies).......which had been pretty accurately estimated by a number of folks centuries earlier. Wolfgang |
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" wrote in message ps.com... Scott Seidman wrote: "rb608" wrote in news:1166043073.560987.269080@ 73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com: Many of those might believe the earth is flat; but that doesn't mean we should squander resources teaching it in school. Turns out that this flat earth thing is a myth, tracable to Washington Irving's book about Columbus!! By about 50BC, everyone generally believed that the Earth was spherical. Swap it for sun orbiting the earth, the result is the same. O.k., is it just me, or does anyone else have an uneasy suspicion that that sentence might mean something or other? :( Wolfgang |
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On 13 Dec 2006 12:51:13 -0800, "rb608" wrote:
wrote: That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both, as well as about religion. By the way you phrase the statement, I infer you do not consider ID as religion? I don't, no, but I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to (peacefully) do so...and don't think ID is a satisfactory explanation of how life came to be. But I am able to reach that conclusion for myself because I know at least a smattering about the thinking behind ID. IMO, general "science" class (in the non-collegial, preparatory education, such as in a US lower, middle, or upper school) is as good a place as any to inform about it under the premise that it is an alternative theory to what is accepted as "science," but I don't feel that such instruction _must_ occur there. It isn't what I'd call accepted modern science, but neither is much of early (erroneous) "science" which is taught about as precursor information in the chain leading to current, accepted thought. I don't think "intelligent design" is the way life came about and evolution is the more-reasonable explanation, but I'm certainly aware of both, and I'd make sure my children were as well. If you don't think ID is the way life came about, why would you want it taught to your kids? Because if they aren't well-informed, they can't possibly make well-informed choices. There are lots of ideas that I don't personally embrace that I don't wish to be hidden from anyone, children included. And I think you'll find that most voters would want their kids as well-educated as possible, and many of those would truly believe that intelligent design is the more-reasonable explanation. Many of those might believe the earth is flat; but that doesn't mean we should squander resources teaching it in school. Uh, yeah, "we" sure as heck wouldn't wanna squander resources teaching things in school...why, shoot, too much of that kinda nonsense, and before you know it, schools won't be able to afford new computers or something... IAC, just how do you "squander resources" by teaching about something in a school? In fact, how do you squander them teaching about anything, anywhere? |
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