How would you esplain it?
 

"Tim J." wrote in message
...
For those reading this who have not been to a ROFF clave, have no fear and
attend one at your earliest convenience. These boys and girl(s) are like
big cuddly teddy bears when they don't have their computer monitors to
shield them. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Brings up a good point for me... When I first started reading ROFF eleven
plus years ago, I really wanted to attend a clave to meet some of the folks
that I have virtually met on ROFF. Over the years, I have met a couple on
fishing outings and would like to meet others such as yourself. Over the
last few years, I have lost interest in attending a clave for fear that I
would meet up with one or more of the people that conduct themselves poorly
on this newsgroup. I seriously doubt I could bite my tongue or hold back
from kicking someone's sorry rear.

It is unfortunate that many of the regulars have left or been run off.

I do however enjoy ROFF, not for the mud slinging, childish behavior or play
ground fights, but the few and far between fly-fishing tips/tricks, TR's and
sometimes a good laugh.

Save a worm, tie a fly!
JT

How would you esplain it?
 

Uh-oh. Replying to Ken in a top-post. No good can come from this. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Tom Nakashima typed:
Try to stay on the topic of fly-fishing.
If there is a post not related to fly-fishing it could be addressed as
"OT:" I feel as people cruise through the newsgroups and are
interested in fly-fishing, if they see the in-fighting & name calling,
it just turns anglers away. Some of these anglers might have some
good advice to bring to ROFF.
Eliminate the name calling and finger pointing. Everyone has the right
to an opinion. The name calling and finger pointing is useless,
doesn't solve anything. I feel if everyone could make an effort
here, become a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start
to
restoring this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of
fly-fishing.
Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?
If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?
fwiw,
-tom


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Tom Nakashima wrote:
I was wondering,
why not restore ROFF?
Get it back on track to being a good group for fly-fishing.
I believe if everyone makes an effort it can be done.

Just what, exactly, do you propose everyone should do ? I mean,
make an effort to do what, exactly ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

How would you esplain it?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

Try to stay on the topic of fly-fishing.
If there is a post not related to fly-fishing it could be addressed as
"OT:" I feel as people cruise through the newsgroups and are
interested in fly-fishing, if they see the in-fighting & name calling,
it just turns anglers away. Some of these anglers might have some
good advice to bring to ROFF.
Eliminate the name calling and finger pointing. Everyone has the right
to an opinion. The name calling and finger pointing is useless, doesn't
solve anything. I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

I wouldn't dare to speak for Ken, but I can't resist fun questions
like these:

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But that pretty much holds true for
all of Usenet ... and life in general.

If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?

More discussion about flyfishing in Texas. Especially anglers'
secret hot spots.

If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

It depends on which posts you're referring to. If it was a mix of
flyfishing, bickering, politics, sports and drinking, I'd think, "Wow,
this is just like going on a fishing trip with friends".


Chuck Vance (let me guess, you're fairly new to Usenet, no?)

How would you esplain it?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

... I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Just an FYI, "courteous" and top-posting are mutually exclusive in a
Usenet newsgroup where the convention is the normal bottom posting.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?

Sure why not, it's not all that much different than from any
other time in its history. Polite, on-topic queries are always
responded to with good info from knowledgable fly fishermen.

If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

I'd think "Damn, these guys are contentious, I'd better read this
group for awhile before I wander in and do something stupid like
top-posting."

--
Ken Fortenberry

How would you esplain it?
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
et...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

... I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Just an FYI, "courteous" and top-posting are mutually exclusive in a
Usenet newsgroup where the convention is the normal bottom posting.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?

Sure why not, it's not all that much different than from any
other time in its history. Polite, on-topic queries are always
responded to with good info from knowledgable fly fishermen.

If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

I'd think "Damn, these guys are contentious, I'd better read this
group for awhile before I wander in and do something stupid like
top-posting."

--
Ken Fortenberry

Here's your bottom post Ken and glad you responded back.
If you're happy with the newsgroup, then there is nothing more I
need to say to you on this matter, other than; "Good luck and
enjoy fly-fishing."
fwiw,
-tom

How would you esplain it?
 

JT typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message
...
For those reading this who have not been to a ROFF clave, have no
fear and attend one at your earliest convenience. These boys and
girl(s) are like big cuddly teddy bears when they don't have their
computer monitors to shield them. ;-)

Brings up a good point for me... When I first started reading ROFF
eleven plus years ago, I really wanted to attend a clave to meet some
of the folks that I have virtually met on ROFF. Over the years, I
have met a couple on fishing outings and would like to meet others
such as yourself. Over the last few years, I have lost interest in
attending a clave for fear that I would meet up with one or more of
the people that conduct themselves poorly on this newsgroup. I
seriously doubt I could bite my tongue or hold back from kicking
someone's sorry rear.

I'll bet you could. ;-)

It is unfortunate that many of the regulars have left or been run off.

Nobody can get "run off."

I do however enjoy ROFF, not for the mud slinging, childish behavior
or play ground fights, but the few and far between fly-fishing
tips/tricks, TR's and sometimes a good laugh.

I think some of the disagreements you mention are necessary for several
reasons. Readers need to know the writer's reference. Many writers can
appear to give expert advice and unless someone else calls their bluff,
which usually ****es off the writer, people new to the sport will be left
floundering with bad information. Unfortunately, there are some who
absolutely cannot take any form of criticism or cannot realize another point
of view and come unglued when a challenge is issued.

This place just needs a good enema from time to time. I miss Peter Charles,
Willi, Waldo, etc. and I miss wayno's wit and more regular posting habits,
but things change and people move on depending on their fancies at the
moment.

.. . . and, yes, laughing is good, and is sometimes richer when it's at your
own expense. IMHO, people need to lighten up, let some stuff slide by, and
not be so defensive. But, hey, what do I know?
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Mar 22, 9:58 pm, "RalphH" wrote:

Hey Ralph,

Good to see you pop in. Thanks for the pics, it reminds me of what
living near water is like ;-)

Jon.

How would you esplain it?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

Try to stay on the topic of fly-fishing.
If there is a post not related to fly-fishing it could be addressed as
"OT:" I feel as people cruise through the newsgroups and are
interested in fly-fishing, if they see the in-fighting & name calling,
it just turns anglers away. Some of these anglers might have some
good advice to bring to ROFF.
Eliminate the name calling and finger pointing. Everyone has the right
to an opinion. The name calling and finger pointing is useless, doesn't
solve anything. I feel if everyone could make an effort here, become
a little more courteous to one another, it could be a start to restoring
this newsgroup, after all, we all have the same interest of fly-fishing.

Ken, a few questions to you, since you're one of the originals of
this newsgroup.

Are you happy with the current ROFF newsgroup?
If not, what changes would you like to see in this newsgroup?
If you were a new angler and cruised into ROFF, what would be
your first reaction after reading some of the post?

FYI, here's a little something you might find interesting. It's
from a group I spent a lot of time in. Notice the date:

http://tinyurl.com/2xz9ep


Chuck Vance (welcome to Usenet, hope you enjoy your stay)

How would you esplain it?
 

"Tim J." wrote in message
...

It is unfortunate that many of the regulars have left or been run off.

Nobody can get "run off."

I agree, however I think you know what I mean...? It's internet bully's I
tell ya! ;)

I do however enjoy ROFF, not for the mud slinging, childish behavior
or play ground fights, but the few and far between fly-fishing
tips/tricks, TR's and sometimes a good laugh.

I think some of the disagreements you mention are necessary for several
reasons. Readers need to know the writer's reference. Many writers can
appear to give expert advice and unless someone else calls their bluff,
which usually ****es off the writer, people new to the sport will be left
floundering with bad information. Unfortunately, there are some who
absolutely cannot take any form of criticism or cannot realize another
point of view and come unglued when a challenge is issued.

Very true, however when it comes to the name calling, personal insults and
bringing family into the mix, I don't think it has a place on ROFF.


This place just needs a good enema from time to time. I miss Peter
Charles, Willi, Waldo, etc. and I miss wayno's wit and more regular
posting habits, but things change and people move on depending on their
fancies at the moment.

I miss those and others as well. A great deal of the expertise that was once
here has moved on to other forums. Many that are left probably have a great
deal to add, however it over shadowed by their spewing of name calling,
etc...

. . . and, yes, laughing is good, and is sometimes richer when it's at
your own expense. IMHO, people need to lighten up, let some stuff slide
by, and not be so defensive.

Yep...

Later,
JT

How would you esplain it?
 

Someone said:

First, as to rec.woodworking -- have you actually looked at the
content of those posts? On any given day you have tons of spam, repeat
questions about what's the best [insert power tool here] to buy, pleas
for links to free plans for everything under the sun, debates on whether
Norm Abrams is really the anti-christ or just another Jewish carpenter,
questions on what sort of stain should be used on cherry, etc., etc., ad
nauseum.

I just looked at rec.woodworking. It does have all of those things,
however:
1) there are fewer off topic posts than here (take a look)
2) far less bickering
3) *more* commercial spam, but not that much more

You seem to complain (about rec.woodworking) that questions about
what stain to use are a bad thing. I say that's what the newsgroup
is meant to deal with. Here we get so little on topic conversation
of any kind a little elementary stuff would be a welcome change.

Yes, all of usenet has been diminished by the allure of
interactive forums that allow icons, images, etc.

But many usenet groups are doing just fine, despite all that.
rec.woodworking was just one example. ROFF has lost so
much traffic it seems to be heading for oblivion .

Is that a troll or an observation worth talking about?

How would you esplain it?
 

salmobytes wrote:

Someone said:

First, as to rec.woodworking -- have you actually looked at the
content of those posts? On any given day you have tons of spam, repeat
questions about what's the best [insert power tool here] to buy, pleas
for links to free plans for everything under the sun, debates on whether
Norm Abrams is really the anti-christ or just another Jewish carpenter,
questions on what sort of stain should be used on cherry, etc., etc., ad
nauseum.


I just looked at rec.woodworking. It does have all of those things,
however:
1) there are fewer off topic posts than here (take a look)
2) far less bickering
3) *more* commercial spam, but not that much more

You seem to complain (about rec.woodworking) that questions about
what stain to use are a bad thing. I say that's what the newsgroup
is meant to deal with. Here we get so little on topic conversation
of any kind a little elementary stuff would be a welcome change.

Yes, all of usenet has been diminished by the allure of
interactive forums that allow icons, images, etc.

But many usenet groups are doing just fine, despite all that.
rec.woodworking was just one example. ROFF has lost so
much traffic it seems to be heading for oblivion .

Is that a troll or an observation worth talking about?

Interesting that you only chose to respond to one tiny portion of my
post. Did you miss the rest of my point (i.e., a newsgroup is what you
make of it; if you don't like the content you do something about it)?

Did you also miss where I discussed the likely reasons why there is
more volume on the wreck?

BTW, my name is Chuck Vance, not Someone. It was at the bottom of
my post, but I guess you just didn't make it that far.


Chuck Vance

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Conan The Librarian wrote:
snipped a bunch of stuff

Hey Chuck:

Are you planning on a trip up to the Pass this summer?

Tim Lysyk

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Tim Lysyk wrote:

Conan The Librarian wrote:
snipped a bunch of stuff

Hey Chuck:

Are you planning on a trip up to the Pass this summer?

Tim,

We're hoping to get there later this year. I've got a trip planned
to the Smokies in mid-May, but Carol was hoping we could make it back in
late August or early September. Now that she's a grandma, she feels the
need to get back every year. Which of course is OK with me as long as
we get to the Pass to see her dad (and for me to fish). :-)

I should know more a little later in the year. So you been doing
any fishing these days or is it still too cold? ;-)


Chuck Vance (and that, my friends is how you make a positive
contribution to the newsgroup ... good job, Tim :-)

How would you esplain it?
 

Chuck Vance wrote:


BTW, my name is Chuck Vance, not Someone. It was at the bottom of
my post, but I guess you just didn't make it that far.

Chuck Vance

Sorry about the "someone" reference to you in an earlier post.
I use Google Groups, to read usenet, and it's hard to use.
I lost *my* cool and yelled at Ken Fortenberry last week,
because of Google Groups confusion about who said what.
I use it because that's all I have.

I've allowed myself to get sucked into off-topic slug fests
in the past. And in this case I seem to have started one.
But in general my record is good. For the past 15 years
I've mostly asked or answered on-topic questions, and I did
(do) my best to ignore the cat fights. (my first post was
to rec.fishing in 1993.....preceded only by the halfordian
golfer, to my knowledge...among still breathing participants)

I think the newsgroup would be a healthier place if more
readers made the same effort.

How would you esplain it?
 

Conan The Librarian wrote:
I should know more a little later in the year. So you been doing any
fishing these days or is it still too cold? ;-)


Chuck Vance (and that, my friends is how you make a positive
contribution to the newsgroup ... good job, Tim :-)

Work, more than weather, has been keeping me off the water. Not healthy.
daily high temperatures are running 16 - 17 (Celcius...never could
figure out farenheit) over the weekend, so the Crow is open. I am
planning on getting out next week.

Tim Lysyk

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salmobytes wrote:

Chuck Vance wrote:

BTW, my name is Chuck Vance, not Someone. It was at the bottom of
my post, but I guess you just didn't make it that far.

Sorry about the "someone" reference to you in an earlier post.
I use Google Groups, to read usenet, and it's hard to use.
I lost *my* cool and yelled at Ken Fortenberry last week,
because of Google Groups confusion about who said what.
I use it because that's all I have.

I understand. In fact, I might not post at all if I had to rely on
Google groups for posting to ROFF. (Oh, shutup whoever said that might
be a good thing. :-) No offense taken. I think we've all been a bit
on edge with some of the madness going on around here.

I've allowed myself to get sucked into off-topic slug fests
in the past. And in this case I seem to have started one.
But in general my record is good. For the past 15 years
I've mostly asked or answered on-topic questions, and I did
(do) my best to ignore the cat fights. (my first post was
to rec.fishing in 1993.....preceded only by the halfordian
golfer, to my knowledge...among still breathing participants)

I'm a relative newbie here (2002?), but go back with rec.woodworking
to about 1996 and back with some political and music groups to BITNET
days (maybe 1991). I'll admit to getting involved in offtopic stuff and
some catfights, but my main reason for coming here is for information
and trip reports.

And frankly, I don't ever recall seeing you involved in offtopic
stuff ... well, maybe a political thread or two. :-)

I think the newsgroup would be a healthier place if more
readers made the same effort.

Sure, and that's really all you can ask. But it's tough to avoid
when some of the other stuff someone comes along wearing a "kick me"
sign and says "I dare you, you bunch of arrogant arseholes". :-}


Chuck Vance (who will make an honest effort to sprinkle in some
ontopic stuff amidst the other nonsense)

How would you esplain it?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

Here's your bottom post Ken and glad you responded back.

That's the convention around here, it's a courteousy to the
reader to post in the conventional manner.

If you're happy with the newsgroup, then there is nothing more I
need to say to you on this matter, other than; "Good luck and
enjoy fly-fishing."

Well, happy enough to know the futility of complaining about
it anyway. ;-)

And thanks Tom, and right back at ya. I hope to meet up with
you on a trout stream one of these days.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How would you esplain it?
 

I currently see ROFF as a lot like "Everyone Loves Raymond" re-runs. Like
that show, there aren't many characters you can actually like much,
basically it's a play with only antagonists, but the first time I saw any
given episode it was a little amusing. Sometimes I even chuckled the
second viewing. Now I just check to see what episode is showing and turn
off the TV.


Now, since the above is nearly certain to be taken for more than what it is,
simply an analogy for my view of this place, let me add

I HAVE received some good info here .... tippet rings from Mike, PreCip from
Ken, cheap "frogsbutt" from rw, and quite a bit more

There ARE some people here I think I'd like to meet .... wayno, willi ( was
here ), maybe YOU

I HAVE been treated well, on occasion .... Chuck made and sent me some
leaders I value time and homemade represents time...thanks Chuck, I
carry them every day I fish. rw e-mailed me info on a 'secret spot'
Warren ( was here ) offered to guide/row me on the Madison for the price of
a six pack. There were more.

I gave a Loomis 6 1/2 foot 3 wt rod to a fellow no longer here, and that I
never met. He expressed a love of small streams and I hope he enjoys it
in the type of places it was built for, my body can't do the crawls anymore.
( last I heard from him was a private mail about what a jerk Wolfie can be,
months ago.)

And, rather obviously, I'm still here, some .... hoping for an episode I've
missed.



Nice breeds nice, nasty breeds nasty .... this post can ( likely will ) be
taken as either and in either case that will be more of a projection of what
the reader wants to hear, ONTO me and my motives, than an accurate
assessment, I bet.

How would you esplain it?
 

On Mar 23, 4:55 pm, "Larry L" wrote:
I currently see ROFF as a lot like "Everyone Loves Raymond" re-runs.

I hadn't given it a thought until your Raymond reference; but the
first association that popped into my head was "MASH" reruns. There
are a lot of reasons why that works for me; but I'm eager to get the
hell out of here, so I'll defer further exposition.

Joe F.

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wrote in message
ups.com...
When this group
dies, you and Kenny will have nowhere to misbehave. People who run
them wont allow you on to any other fishing groups.

MC


you know what, Mike? I have been posting to this place for over a decade,
and have seen the imminent death of ROFF pronounced so many times now that
it is merely amusing of you to add(for the fifth time over the past 4 years,
that I recall) your latest prediction. I'll bet it will still be here for
you to make your next moribund pronouncement a year from this date.....
Tom

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On Mar 23, 9:10 am, "rb608" wrote:
...And the Balvenie bottle is half empty. :-)

Ok, I started this stupid useless thread.
So I now declare it dead and gone.
And also declare this 'Balvenie' post the winner.

How would you esplain it?
 

Tim J. wrote:

..... In one [ad] in particular, the guy
casts just like a bait caster, extending his arm straight out in front of
him.

Oh ****. Note to self......

On the topic at hand, I have always just attributed the tailing
off of activity on roff to the fact that a few years ago work
commitments led me to frequent roff less regularly, and that many
folks were understandably devastated by this and simply lost
interest.

.......perhaps even the will to live.

- JR

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:58:17 GMT, "RalphH" wrote:

web based discussion groups - most people have gone to web based forums
where they can post jpegs, have avatars and post cutesy little animated
emoticons. Text based news feed is for old farts


oo .oo*""*ooo..
o*" "*o.oo*" "*o.
o 'o" o
o o o
o o o
o o o.
o o o
o \o/ o
o --0-- o
o. /o\ o
o o o
oo o oo
oo. o oo
'ooo. .o . ooo
"o ""oo,, ,,oO-'Oo, ,,,,,,..oo"
o. """""" o """"" .o
'o oo o'


I got yer emoticonical avatar eight here, buddy...

TC,
R

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"salmobytes" wrote in message
oups.com...
...And the Balvenie bottle is half empty. :-)

Ok, I started this stupid useless thread.
So I now declare it dead and gone.
And also declare this 'Balvenie' post the winner.

Moo

How would you esplain it?
 

"JR" wrote in message
...

Oh ****. Note to self......

On the topic at hand, I have always just attributed the tailing
off of activity on roff to the fact that a few years ago work
commitments led me to frequent roff less regularly, and that many
folks were understandably devastated by this and simply lost
interest.

......perhaps even the will to live.

- JR

It's true. Sniff... But I'm trying to get past it.

How would you esplain it?
 

a marvelous self portrait - you should sell those door to door

--
Some of my angling snaps:

http://gallery.fishbc.com/gallery/vi...bumName=RalphH
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:58:17 GMT, "RalphH" wrote:

web based discussion groups - most people have gone to web based forums
where they can post jpegs, have avatars and post cutesy little animated
emoticons. Text based news feed is for old farts


oo .oo*""*ooo..
o*" "*o.oo*" "*o.
o 'o" o
o o o
o o o
o o o.
o o o
o \o/ o
o --0-- o
o. /o\ o
o o o
oo o oo
oo. o oo
'ooo. .o . ooo
"o ""oo,, ,,oO-'Oo, ,,,,,,..oo"
o. """""" o """"" .o
'o oo o'


I got yer emoticonical avatar eight here, buddy...

TC,
R

How would you esplain it?
 

thanks Jon - we've had about 200mm of rain the last 72 hours here - I could
do with a bit of Arizonia desert right now.

--
Some of my angling snaps:

http://gallery.fishbc.com/gallery/vi...bumName=RalphH
wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 22, 9:58 pm, "RalphH" wrote:

Hey Ralph,

Good to see you pop in. Thanks for the pics, it reminds me of what
living near water is like ;-)

Jon.

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On 23 Mar 2007 06:50:59 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 23, 3:44 pm, wrote:

BULL**** SNIPPED

This group is practically dead as a result.

Then why are you here, you pompous, full-of-**** windbag?

Dickie



MC

To see you pull the rug out from under your own feet. When this group
dies, you and Kenny will have nowhere to misbehave.

I can't speak for Ken, but I have all sorts of places to misbehave...

People who run them wont allow you on to any other fishing groups.

Then thing work out very well for them...I have no interest in any other
fishing groups, USENET or on the 'net...until the links posted in the
last week or so, I didn't even know the specifics on any of them. Yeah,
I knew they existed, but I'd never visited or signed up for one, and
have no intention of even occasionally lurking around one. I like being
able to at least have the choice of reading what I wish of totally
uncensored content, and I have enough self-control to read what I want,
ignore what doesn't interest me, and respond as I see fit. Besides, one
virtual bar/sandbox/fishing-hunting camp is enough for me. I don't care
about, much less feel the need to spend 12 hours a day, 7 days a week,
52 weeks a year posting stuff on every fishing NG, forum, and BB I can
Google up...

How would you esplain it?
 

Stan Gula wrote:
"salmobytes" wrote in message
oups.com...

...And the Balvenie bottle is half empty. :-)

Ok, I started this stupid useless thread.
So I now declare it dead and gone.
And also declare this 'Balvenie' post the winner.


Moo



mu

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"salmobytes" wrote in message
ups.com...
I noticed something interesting, I think.
Google has a lot of freely available statistics about
usenet traffic and usage patterns, on a group by group basis,
going back a long ways.

Some groups, like rec.woodworking, are statistically stable.
The average number of posts per day for rec.woodworking now
is roughly what it was seven years ago.

But traffic to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is roughly 80% less
than it used to be.

Do we have fewer fly fishermen?
Or are they.....well. What is it?
How what why.


Too much liberal politics, not enough flyfishing!

Gene

How would you esplain it?
 

Yep, that would splain most everything you have ever posted.

Have you tried posting something about fly fishing yourself?

Op

"Gene Cottrell" wrote in message
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"salmobytes" wrote in message
ups.com...
I noticed something interesting, I think.
Google has a lot of freely available statistics about
usenet traffic and usage patterns, on a group by group basis,
going back a long ways.

Some groups, like rec.woodworking, are statistically stable.
The average number of posts per day for rec.woodworking now
is roughly what it was seven years ago.

But traffic to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is roughly 80% less
than it used to be.

Do we have fewer fly fishermen?
Or are they.....well. What is it?
How what why.


Too much liberal politics, not enough flyfishing!

Gene