When to drive?
 

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:47:38 -0400, artist
wrote:

Thought you were registered users and sincere....

Jeff isn't a user. He's a lawyer. Too much to lose, dontchaknow.
But he is always sincere, even when he's joshin'.

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"jeff miller" wrote in message
OK...my vote is drive all night, fish all the next day, then sleep. hell,
you ain't gonna live that much longer, and the kid can handle it! g

As of 6:00 tonight, that was my plan; but fate took a turn. Both of our
dogs have escaped the yard and are now missing. I'm not sure I'll be going
at all at this point. On the one hand, I feel like I need to be here to
look for them, but OTOH, there really isn't **** I can do about it. It's
too dark to look for them now, & they'll have a 12-hour head start by
morning.. I'll see how #1 Son feels when he returns from DIP class.

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"Frank Reid" wrote in message
Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now.

Best wishes Frank. Here's hoping for a good outcome.

Joe F.

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:06:45 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

As of 6:00 tonight, that was my plan; but fate took a turn. Both of our
dogs have escaped the yard and are now missing. I'm not sure I'll be going
at all at this point. On the one hand, I feel like I need to be here to
look for them, but OTOH, there really isn't **** I can do about it. It's
too dark to look for them now, & they'll have a 12-hour head start by
morning.. I'll see how #1 Son feels when he returns from DIP class.

And don't play the lottery, Joe.

Dave

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:33:02 -0000, Frank Reid
wrote:

Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now.

Sorry to hear that, Frank. My thoughts are with you and yours.

Dave

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:33:02 -0000, Frank Reid
wrote:

Most important ... have fun... he will be not as close to you soon
having other responsibilities.... and these minor speed bumps will be
just that.... enjoy the days.
artist

That was a good response.
Who could be a better role model than their own father.
It's great to spend time with your kids and watch them grow. It won't be
long before the kids are out of the nest and become adults making their own
decisions in life.

Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now. The first thing she wanted was Mom and Dad. Yes, we had some
great "discussions" whilst she was growing up, we weren't always her
best friends, but we were always and continue to be there for her and
her sister. Hug 'em and love 'em every chance you can get.
Frank Reid

Damn, Frank - very sorry to hear such. Here's hoping she, like her
father, bends but doesn't break....

Our thoughts are with y'all.

TC,
R

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:46:42 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
snip
Hey, maybe some punishments do "hurt" the parent more than it "hurts"
the child, but it seems that at the end of the day, it's what _helps_
the child that matters...

. . . and I'm contending that the fishing trip is more helpful for the
"child" than the punitive measures you're suggesting.

and notice I didn't say he shouldn't be
allowed to go, only that his going (as originally planned) be
conditioned on his straightening out the situation he created...

Okay. . . should he call the traffic school and tell them to reschedule?
Something tells me the state probably isn't going to go for that.

you know, sorta like responsible adult-type people have to do...

. . . which is what is happening - the "child" is waiting until after the
class before he goes. It just so happens his dad is waiting, too.

. . . and, FWIW, Harry Chapin had a point. Not a particularly good song, but
a point, nonetheless. Now, Coconut - *there* is a good song.

Well, IMO, the song made a point, but I don't think it was the point for
which Chapin was going. Parents and minor children aren't supposed to
be "friends" (which is not say the parent shouldn't enjoy being around
the child or vice-versa, but it isn't "friendship" in the peer-to-peer
sense because they aren't peers). The time for them to be friends in
the traditional sense is when the child becomes a responsible adult, and
part of a parent's job is to teach the child to become a responsible
adult. All I can say is, for myself and a fairly wide circle of
friends, that the majority of those who would have been left at home,
myself included, are now friends with and close to their parents, with
generally on-track lives. Those that got mollycoddled...well, let's
just say that group's results aren't (or in some cases, weren't) as
positive.

My father is gone now and I'd shove Harry Chapin into an elevator shaft
and send a Conex box of Nilsson's coconuts and limes down on top for
another day with my dad, but I have no regrets of us not having spent
time together because when it was age-appropriate, we were friends and
spent time together as such. He would have left my unlicensed ass at
home and once I hit my mid-twenties, I would have been damned glad he
had cared enough to teach me something (as I was in many similar cases).
You can't be true friends with someone you don't respect, and a child
can never truly respect a parent who, well, didn't act like one.

TC,
R

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"Frank Reid" wrote

Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now. The first thing she wanted was Mom and Dad. Yes, we had some
great "discussions" whilst she was growing up, we weren't always her
best friends, but we were always and continue to be there for her and
her sister. Hug 'em and love 'em every chance you can get.
Frank Reid

good advice, frank. my most earnest wish is that she makes a rapid and
full recovery.

yfitons
wayno

When to drive? - Post mortem
 

"rb608" wrote in message
So here's the question.

In the end, we went with option one. Luckily, one of our two dogs found his
way back and was barking at the fence at 10:15, so Son & I decided to hit
the road around 10:30 p.m. I drove two hours, then napped while he took us
to the NY state line. I took over again & he slept almost as far as Fat
Nancy's. We arrived around 4:30, hauled the stuff up to the room, rigged
the rods, woke up BFB, & went fishing all day. Okay, we weren't hitting on
all 8 all day, but we had a good day; and when I clicked off the ALCS game
later, I think I was asleep before the screen went dark.

Home now; TR to follow.

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Long story short, my 27-year-old daughter is in intensive care right
now.

By the way, thanks to all for the words of encouragement, private
emails and phone calls. She's out of danger (relatively speaking) and
out of the ICU. Hopefully, we can get her out of the hospital
sometime this week but she has a long recovery ahead of her.
Frank Reid