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On 28-Jan-2008, "asadi" wrote:

ave you are absolutely right!

Take this morning for instance...I read my ROFF, my newspaper, did the
crossword and fooled around as long as I could. Brought out a doobie and
fired that mother up! Dusted, vacuumed, took the vacuum apart and cleaned

it good. Folded laundry, did the dishes and cleaned the kitchen floor.

It seemed like I was forever just picking up after people but I finally
got
the house squared away. So I'll take a break and take the dog outside
while
I pick up limbs and run the street litter route.

...now if I'd cracked a bottle or a couple of beers, I'd a sat on my but,
escaped all day and not got a damned thing done!
\
john

I could -
You are a no good escapist pot smoking fiend
Youneed it e beacuse you need to escape
the reality of your chores and and the realty of Bush and Cheney

Do like Dave
Bury your head in Single malt w a beer chaser and fishing.
Deny the political and epic monstrosities and casualties performed by the
above reprobate swine
Escape!

Let me know when and where and Ill meet you.

Fred

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:25:45 GMT, wrote:

Do like Dave
Bury your head in Single malt w a beer chaser and fishing.

Fred, you are an asshole. John isn't. He may drink Lagavulin and
Leapfrog, but the asshole remark was meant for roff's, up until that
time, one and only asshole. Now we have two, you and Ken.

Bury my head in single malt. Not hardly. Where'd you ever get that
idea. You don't get drunk on single malt - ya sip it and a couple of
fingers last a long time. And I've never chased any whisky with a
beer.

hth

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In article , rw
wrote:

Big Kahuna wrote:
Here's just one of the links of tax dealings with the state of CT,
Cabela's gets a 7-year tax break worth approximately $6.7 million,

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...2&PAG=461&dept
_id=10299&rfi=6

It's happended everywhere that they open a store.

What kind of tax break does the guy who has run the fly shop across the
street for 30 years get? He'll have to compete with his son for a
minimum-wage job at Walmart after Cabelas drives him out of business.

BTW, it's an ironic fact that George W. Bush made his money due to a tax
increase. He and his backers (Bush was only the political front man)
arranged for a special election to raise the sales tax to finance a new
stadium for the Texas Rangers. The county used eminent domain to buy
private land at below-market prices, built the stadium, and then sold it
to Bush and his buddies for much less than it was worth.

So true and now he wants to keep permanent the tax cuts that give most
to the people who make over $1million. Of course they pay more taxes at
that bracket, they make more. But look at the percentage of their pay
to taxes and you'll see they keep far more than the average american.

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On 28-Jan-2008, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Fred, you are an asshole.

I am certain some may agree w you but at least I have the sensitivity and
awareness to understand what goes on around me
Luckily along w several others -some on this list and lots elsewhere.

I think that the queue on your stated opinion is somewhat shorter - I would
at least hope so.
And I am even dtill in the businbess world which is full of assholes

But Again I have to refer to the " legally " elected government of the
United States
do you have any clue what these guys do in your name?
- do you even care? -

Me I am ****in outraged!

Can you offer any defense of the administration or do you think that we are
in Iraq fior Iraqi freedom or is it really money and oil
and the rich getting richer and the Bush and Cheney's stuffing their pockets
Do you give a rats ass about the Iraqis and even the Filipinos much less the
American people
Does it concern you?

Does the deterioration of our environment and the threat to our common
unterest on this list - fishing and clean places and healthy rivers
and lakes and glaciers - does it bother you
It drives me ****in nuts
I have 2 grandchildren
They deserve to have something left of this planet when they are as old as
we are.


Do you pass on all thisl w a sip of a good single malt - I do?
I am sorry about the beer chasers

Not single malts - foe me somtimes a club soda or mineral water chaser is
perfect

Do you fish and hang out in unpopulated places like the Rangely system of
lakes to escape - I sure do?

It seems that with the realty of wha'ts going on with and to this planet
that any man w common sense would have to choose an alternate reality at
times as an escape - why not
or he would go mad!

BTW

Its funny to be called an asshole by a guy that posts vicious, bitter &
sarcastic responses to another fisherman on this list who does the same and
then others join in.
Posts Full of vitriol and spittle and spite
What the **** for??
Get angry at politicans who have sold off our planet' resources for a
pocketful of $$ and promises

You are probably a nice pirate.
But you are a pirate badly real badly in need of a BIG spliff - all for
yourself

My 2 cents

Fred

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:03:28 GMT, wrote:

It drives me ****in nuts

Apparently so.

If Bush/Cheney are as bad and corrupt as you say, impeach them.

Or, can not you find *anything* to impeach them with? Eh?

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:03:28 GMT, wrote:


It drives me ****in nuts


Apparently so.

If Bush/Cheney are as bad and corrupt as you say, impeach them.

Or, can not you find *anything* to impeach them with? Eh?



um...please explain how a single citizen can impeach those two *******s.
if you have the instructions readily available, i'll be happy to take
the pressure off both you and fred. hell, i'll even advance the cost of
the blowjob ... that seems to be what it takes to get republicans motivated.

jeff BSEG

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:23:25 -0500, jeff miller
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:03:28 GMT, wrote:


It drives me ****in nuts


Apparently so.

If Bush/Cheney are as bad and corrupt as you say, impeach them.

Or, can not you find *anything* to impeach them with? Eh?



um...please explain how a single citizen can impeach those two *******s.
if you have the instructions readily available, i'll be happy to take
the pressure off both you and fred. hell, i'll even advance the cost of
the blowjob ... that seems to be what it takes to get republicans motivated.

Um, well, in all fairness, that seems to get men of all political views
motivated...or even all orientations...not that there's anything wrong
with that...no, really - there's nothing wrong with that...

TC,
R


jeff BSEG

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On Jan 28, 2:18*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:28:44 -0500, "Tim J."





wrote:
BJ Conner typed:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. *Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, *Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

Without comment, from that same article: "Last week, Cabela's Vice President
Mike Callahan, a former Montanan, showed up at the Montana Fish, Wildlife
and Parks Commission meeting with a $50,000 check and a pledge for another
$60,000 over five years to support the state's land-access programs.
Callahan said the company will change how it markets Montana. Under new
policies, Cabela's will not advertise the prospect of subdividing land in
Montana and will avoid undermining existing Block Management contracts, he
said. The sportsmen apparently were heard."

Yep, loud and clear - they don't want anyone interfering with their
taxpayer-funded hunting "rights"...

IMO, screw 'em - if they want hunting rights on private lands, let them
lease it and pay for it out of their own pockets.

TC,
R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dumbass.
It's roads there closing. Roads that have been open for years that
access public land.

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On 29-Jan-2008, Dave LaCourse wrote:

It drives me ****in nuts

Apparently so.

If Bush/Cheney are as bad and corrupt as you say, impeach them.

Or, can not you find *anything* to impeach them with? Eh?

I am hoping that the American and world public will see them for what they
truly are and try them for war crimes & war profieering
I also hope that we bring the troops home out of harms way

It seems that you have the political and moral sensitiivity of a dead trout
SO the spliff would be wasted on you.

Fred

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:23:25 -0500, jeff miller
wrote:

um...please explain how a single citizen can impeach those two *******s.
if you have the instructions readily available, i'll be happy to take
the pressure off both you and fred. hell, i'll even advance the cost of
the blowjob ... that seems to be what it takes to get republicans motivated.

If no one is impeaching Bush/Cheney, I would guess that there is
nothing to impeach them for. THAT is the message I was trying to give
to Fred. Neither has lied under oath like Clinton, neither has
obstructed justice like Clinton, so unless Fred and all the Dems in
both Houses can find an impeachable offense, I guess they will NOT be
like Clinton.

Now, I am gonna vote for Hillary in the Mass primary, hoping she goes
all the way. I think it would be great to have a mom and pop
impeachment ceremony. The only TWO family impeachments in history.
Ya gotta love it. And, it will happen.

hth, counselor

Dave

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:44:21 GMT, wrote:

I am hoping that the American and world public will see them for what they
truly are and try them for war crimes & war profieering

Do you have ANY evidence of that off-the-wall calim. How, pray tell
can they gain from war profieering sic

I also hope that we bring the troops home out of harms way

I talked to many of the troops that have been to the sand box, and all
that I have spoken with were happy to be there. My nephew was on his
second voluntary tour when he was killed last year. I just talked
with an Audi salesman who spent two tours over there - volunteer.
Spoke with a Lt. Col in the Chaplain Corps a week ago, brother of a
dear friend. First thing I asked him was "How is morale?" He said
not to believe what the newspapers are saying - bad news is always
good news to the liberals. He said morale is high and many of the
troops are on their second and even third tours in either Iraq or
Afghanistan.

Hillary ain't gonna bring home the troops, and neither is Obama.



It seems that you have the political and moral sensitiivity of a dead trout
SO the spliff would be wasted on you.

How, pray tell, please, you idiot, can you tell the political and
moral sensitivity of ANYONE or ANYTHING if you have never met them or
shared a moment with them. You do not know me, Fred, so you can not
judge me.

So, you are saying that if I smoked dope I would have a better
political and moral sensitivity? What an assholish statement. I have
friends that smoke it, fishing buddies, and I could get all I want.
But I do not want it. I am 70, not 20. I do not NEED it. I get high
on life, helping others. I do not need an illegal substance to enjoy
life, and your life must be miserable if you need to escape from
reality. You escape with dope. I know more than a few on roff who
escape with beer or liquor.

hth

Dave

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:38:11 -0800 (PST), BJ Conner
wrote:

Dumbass.
It's roads there closing.

And you are calling *him* a dumbass.

TFF

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One interesting question--never yet answered by anybody--is why
are we over there? Another is "how does this enhance our national
security?"

The best anybody has done with "why are we over there" is:
1) Saddam was a bad guy.
...well yes, but so are lots of people. For some reason
we chose to invade Iraq. No one can tell us why.
Remember that Al Queda didn't get there until after
the invasion.

How does this enhance our security?
2)
You tell me. Al Queda has alienated enough Iraqis
the Sunnis are now fighting them. And for some reason
nobody really understands, the Al Sadr malicia is
taking an extended break. This is good news to US troops,
but there STILL is no likelyhood of any kind of a government
over there anytime soon. Why and how are we now more secure
than we were 5 years ago? The opposite is true. Things are
far worse. See item #3

3) the biggest single outcome so far has been the regional increase
in power and influence for Iran. That is not good news for us.
For that we can thank Bush/Cheney. We've spent trillions
of dollars to make the middle east less stable, and to enrich
Halliburton. Meanwhile we're going broke, and getting nothing for it.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Jan 27, 12:15 pm, BJ Conner wrote:
Thsi story appeared today in the Oregonia and here's the one in The
Olympian. Cabelas just opened a store near Olympia.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/339328.html

The story is Cableas is buying up land and hunting and fishing rights
from ranchers in Montana. The average fisherman will loose access to
places they have hunted and fished for years.
It doen't supprize me, Cabelas are were big supporters of Cheny and
the Bu****es and prbably their plan to privatize the national forest
and othere public lands.

The minute fishing became golf, this was inevitable.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.
It is impossible to catch and release a wild fish.
Guilt replaced the creel.

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On 29-Jan-2008, Dave LaCourse wrote:

I am hoping that the American and world public will see them for what
they
truly are and try them for war crimes & war profieering

Do you have ANY evidence of that off-the-wall calim. How, pray tell
can they gain from war profieering sic

I also hope that we bring the troops home out of harms way



I get high
on life, helping others. I do not need an illegal substance to enjoy
life, and your life must be miserable if you need to escape from
reality. You escape with dope. I know more than a few on roff who
escape with beer or liquor.

hth



Dave

Basically
You do not need dope
You are a ****ing dope!

You are really helping Mike and Roff when you post your vitriol on one of
your regulsar flame wars with Mike and Fortenberry
Useful **** is this post
Definitely my last on this topic

What a selfless fool you are!

I surely do NOT need to meet you.
I have unfortunately met too many like you!


Fred

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On 29-Jan-2008, Sal Monella wrote:

3) the biggest single outcome so far has been the regional increase
in power and influence for Iran. That is not good news for us.
For that we can thank Bush/Cheney. We've spent trillions
of dollars to make the middle east less stable, and to enrich
Halliburton. Meanwhile we're going broke, and getting nothing for it.

The war machine, and their profiteers like Haliburton , KBR, other defense
contractors, civilian militias??? What kind of bull**** is that?"
That why we are there - and of course oil!

You are definitely NOT a fool like LaCoure the old stupidl pirate!
Please Keep questioning why
Demand anwers !

Get ****ing outraged by what is happening in your name with your tax money
and the when all else fails escape and go fishing but at least please
continue to question this stuff - These reprobate swine - Bush Cheneyand
their cronies - have to be exposed
for what they are
Greedy scumbags

A perfect example would be the scumbag we just voted out in MT, Conrad
Burns,
He lined gis pockets selling off our mineral rights to mine companies that
only destroy our planet and pollute our rivers.
In the old western days they would have hung the cocksucker
At least we voted him out

At least lets expose the present corrupt *******s - It has never been more
out in the open
I know that Hillary is not the answer either but lets get rid of Bush and
Cheney.

I am niot a religious man by any sense of the world
- More of an agnostic who tries to live within an undefined morality
I also try to stay aware of humanity's footprint on this planet as much as
it saddens me
To see what greed can do to our planet.

These bums are flouting their power a, fgred and dishonest for all to see
They dio NOT care!
Lets show them that we do care!

Fred

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On 29-Jan-2008, Jim Edmondson wrote:

if there was any substance to the assertions that you and other have made,

I am sure that some one with the power to do something about it (eg: the
so-called Democratic leadership) would have

Jim

Ya really think so?
Is there really a difference - Republocrats support the monied interests
and control the media
We see what we want to see

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Hey Pirate?

What if Dick Cheney were to invite you fishing?

Would ya go?

Fred

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:13:09 GMT, wrote:

What if Dick Cheney were to invite you fishing?

Would ya go?

Hell, I'd go if YOU invited me fishing.

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:03:58 GMT, wrote:

Lets show them that we do care!

Write letters, Fred, to your reps in Congress. Call for impeachment.

Good luck.

Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:44:11 GMT, wrote:

Basically
You do not need dope
You are a ****ing dope!

And you are "normal"? Riiiiight. You're looney, Fred.

You are really helping Mike and Roff when you post your vitriol on one of
your regulsar flame wars with Mike and Fortenberry

Ain't it fun, though?

Useful **** is this post
Definitely my last on this topic

Riiiiiight.


What a selfless fool you are!

We all love ourselves, Fred. We wouldn't be here if we didn't. I
give more of myself every week than you give in a year.

I surely do NOT need to meet you.
I have unfortunately met too many like you!

Too bad, Fred. Most folks like me in person. It's my roff personna
they don't like. Hell, we could even share a needle or two, or pop
some pills, or smoke some dope. You know, get happy, if that's what
YOU need.

Dave

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:11:34 +0000 (UTC), Jim Edmondson
wrote:

wrote:


On 29-Jan-2008, Dave LaCourse wrote:

If Bush/Cheney are as bad and corrupt as you say, impeach them.

Or, can not you find *anything* to impeach them with? Eh?

I am hoping that the American and world public will see them for what
they
truly are and try them for war crimes & war profieering
I also hope that we bring the troops home out of harms way
It seems that you have the political and moral sensitiivity of a dead
trout SO the spliff would be wasted on you.

Fred


if there was any substance to the assertions that you and other have made,
I am sure that some one with the power to do something about it (eg: the
so-called Democratic leadership) would have

Jim


buzzer We have a winnnnner in the balcony, Doctor.

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:06:29 GMT, wrote:

Republocrats support the monied interests
and control the media

Oh, you mean like ABC, CBS, NBC, NY Times, Washington Post, et al?

You are living in a dream world, Fred. Wake up. Smell the coffee.
Take another pill, smoke another joint, inject some dope into your
bloodstream, and carry on. No wonder you need outside help to live.
You're a nut case of the worse order.

Dave

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:44:17 -0800 (PST), Halfordian Golfer
wrote:

The minute fishing became golf, this was inevitable.

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

OT- Cabelas Vs Montana
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:

hth, counselor

Dave



not really dave. but, you probably knew that. the fact he's not been
impeached may simply evidence the difference in the level of intellect,
mean-spirit, and moderate political tone in the current legislature.

voting for hillary is an interesting republican gambit. if she's the
nominee, we'll most likely have another repub prez.

impeachments are rare...except in dark days of political "fear and
loathing" and when lemmings are abundantly available. the republicans
have always been good at exploiting both.

these are weird days...a buffoon has been our prez for almost 8 years.
he has done more in those 8 years to destroy and divide our country than
any other prez or politician in the last 2 centuries, imo. incredibly,
he talks about tax and spend liberals with his record of taxing and
spending. we are getting ready to dig the economic hole even deeper with
his second boondoggle "stimulus".

impeach him? hell, that's simply not enough for what he's done. i think
he should be required to serve as the subject for waterboarding
illustrations performed on a daily basis in every school, courthouse,
church, temple, community center, and military base. he's simply
unworthy of the dignity afforded by impeachment proceedings.

btw...looking forward to hearing about your travel to chile. take lots
of photos. we have about a month before the shad run starts, and i'm
readying my new smaller sal****er boat for some offshore adventures.
not sure i'll do much else this year. say hi to jo... and pet henry's
replacement...for me.


jeff

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:23:25 -0500, jeff miller
wrote:

um...please explain how a single citizen can impeach those two *******s.
if you have the instructions readily available, i'll be happy to take
the pressure off both you and fred. hell, i'll even advance the cost of
the blowjob ... that seems to be what it takes to get republicans
motivated.

If no one is impeaching Bush/Cheney,

Millions of people are.

I would guess that there is nothing to impeach them for.

You're a liar.

THAT is the message I was trying to give to Fred.

It's been years since anyone here has been unaware of what you are trying to
do.

Neither has lied under oath like Clinton,

Snore.

neither has obstructed justice like Clinton,

You're a liar.....and a fool.

so unless Fred and all the Dems in
both Houses can find an impeachable offense,

Impeachable offenses are not difficult to find.....or manufacture. Where
"Fred and all the Dems" differ from the neocons is in that they don't lack a
sense of common decency.

I guess they will NOT be like Clinton.

No, they most certainly never will.

Now, I am gonna vote for Hillary in the Mass primary, hoping she goes
all the way. I think it would be great to have a mom and pop
impeachment ceremony. The only TWO family impeachments in history.
Ya gotta love it.

Thus demonstrating once again that all of the lists of requirements for
sustaining human life are in error. Hate alone is enough.

And, it will happen.

Moron.

Wolfgang

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...

...I get high on life, helping others....

That's so monumentally sick it's hilarious. :)

Wolfgang

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"Jim Edmondson" wrote in message
global.net...

if there was any substance to the assertions that you and other have made,
I am sure that some one with the power to do something about it (eg: the
so-called Democratic leadership) would have

As convincing a demonstration of the principle that there is no discernible
connection between certainty and rectitude as any reasonable person could
possibly desire.

Wolfgang

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OT- Cabelas Vs Montana
 

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:55:58 -0500, jeff miller
wrote:

say hi to jo... and pet henry's
replacement...for me.

You'd love her..... Henry's replacement, Jenny, that is. d;o)

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On 30-Jan-2008, Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Why don't you quite whining about what other people post
and post something of your own that isn't a foul-mouthed
tirade.

You're becoming precisely what you're complaining about.

--
Ken Fortenberry

When you are right yiou are right!
In this case you are 100% correctamundo
No more

Back to fishing only

Fred

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wrote in message
...

On 30-Jan-2008, Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Why don't you quite whining about what other people post
and post something of your own that isn't a foul-mouthed
tirade.

You're becoming precisely what you're complaining about.

--
Ken Fortenberry

When you are right yiou are right!
In this case you are 100% correctamundo
No more

Back to fishing only

Well, that's a damned shame. It's always fun to watch davie go into rage
mode......and you had a good start on getting kennie wound up.

Wolfgang
ah well, there's always next time. :)

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On 30-Jan-2008, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Back to fishing only

Well, that's a damned shame. It's always fun to watch davie go into rage
mode......and you had a good start on getting kennie wound up.

Wolfgang
ah well, there's always next time. :)

Wolfie

Sorry to disappoint you
You are a funny dude
and an
imbecile

Sincerely
Fred

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wrote in message
...

On 30-Jan-2008, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Back to fishing only

Well, that's a damned shame. It's always fun to watch davie go into rage
mode......and you had a good start on getting kennie wound up.

Wolfgang
ah well, there's always next time. :)

Wolfie

Sorry to disappoint you

It's o.k., I'll get over it.

You are a funny dude

So I've been told.

and an imbecile

Doesn't seem likely.

Sincerely
Fred

Yeah, well, it really is a pleasure talking fishing only with you.

Wolfgang
one of these days one of these boys is going to have a synapse fire......i
just know it.

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Wolfgang typed:
snip
one of these days one of these boys is going to have a synapse
fire......i just know it.

Optimist.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...
Wolfgang typed:
snip
one of these days one of these boys is going to have a synapse
fire......i just know it.

Optimist.

It's true, I am a fervid believer in the fundamental goodness of human
beings. Now, if we could locate a few of those.....

Wolfgang

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On 30-Jan-2008, "Wolfgang" wrote:

It's true, I am a fervid believer in the fundamental goodness of human
beings. Now, if we could locate a few of those.....

Wolfgang

Do you think that Dick Cheney is a good and honest man?
A caring man for his country and this planet or

like me without the religious overtones
Do you believe - like Hugo Chavez says -
That he and Bush reek of evil or to stay on topic - reek like dead fish

Fred

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On Jan 30, 1:36*pm, wrote:
On 30-Jan-2008, "Wolfgang" wrote:

It's true, I am a fervid believer in the fundamental goodness of human
beings. *Now, if we could locate a few of those.....

Wolfgang

Do you think that Dick Cheney is a good and honest man?
A caring man for his country and this planet or

like me without the religious overtones
Do you believe *- like Hugo Chavez says -
That he and Bush reek of evil or to stay on topic - reek like dead fish

Fred

No!
Yes!