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Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
Mike Connor wrote:
All these numbers just confuse people anyway. Unlike the various bits of advise offered on ROFF. g Dan, a lot of what has been written is true and good. But for your particular case (as I understand it, a JLH Golden #7 that you'd like to fish on a five wt rod), whether "balance" is or isn't important is largely moot, which is what Bill Kiene was getting at. Consider this: If you fish the JLH on your seven weight rod, using a weight-forward seven weight line, you can put more or less 160 yards of backing on the reel--about right for the kinds of fish you might most likely fish for with a seven weight. If you replace the WF7 line with a double taper 5 (many people, including myself, fish WFs in heavier line weights and DTs in lighter weights), you will still have a good "fit" to the reel, i.e., not "too much" space between the outer wraps of the line and the edge of the reel spool. Even this consideration, though, is largely unimportant in practice. More importantly, in terms of weight, the JLH 7 weighs (at 3 7/8 oz) LESS than many top-of-the-line modern "5 wt" reels considered the bee's knees by those who get off on such stuff. Heck, it weighs considerably less than the Abel "Super 2" reel (at 4.4 oz)! So relax. You can easily fish your JLH 7 on a 7 weight rod, a 5 weight rod, and (eventually) a 3 wt rod, and be way ahead of the game. Good lookin' reel, too. JR (BTW, if you want simply to switch 7 and 5 weight lines, rather than buying a second reel spool, put a small loop-to-loop connector on the backing end of the fly line and a big (7-9 inch) loop in the end of your backing). This will allow you to attach the loops with the line you're putting on still in a coil or on a storage spool. Doesn't make all that much difference if you're making the switch in your living room, but if you switch rods (and reels) in the field, it's much easier. |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"JR" wrote in message ... Mike Connor wrote: All these numbers just confuse people anyway. Unlike the various bits of advise offered on ROFF. g Dan, a lot of what has been written is true and good. But for your particular case (as I understand it, a JLH Golden #7 that you'd like to fish on a five wt rod), whether "balance" is or isn't important is largely moot, which is what Bill Kiene was getting at. Consider this: If you fish the JLH on your seven weight rod, using a weight-forward seven weight line, you can put more or less 160 yards of backing on the reel--about right for the kinds of fish you might most likely fish for with a seven weight. If you replace the WF7 line with a double taper 5 (many people, including myself, fish WFs in heavier line weights and DTs in lighter weights), you will still have a good "fit" to the reel, i.e., not "too much" space between the outer wraps of the line and the edge of the reel spool. Even this consideration, though, is largely unimportant in practice. More importantly, in terms of weight, the JLH 7 weighs (at 3 7/8 oz) LESS than many top-of-the-line modern "5 wt" reels considered the bee's knees by those who get off on such stuff. Heck, it weighs considerably less than the Abel "Super 2" reel (at 4.4 oz)! So relax. You can easily fish your JLH 7 on a 7 weight rod, a 5 weight rod, and (eventually) a 3 wt rod, and be way ahead of the game. Good lookin' reel, too. JR (BTW, if you want simply to switch 7 and 5 weight lines, rather than buying a second reel spool, put a small loop-to-loop connector on the backing end of the fly line and a big (7-9 inch) loop in the end of your backing). This will allow you to attach the loops with the line you're putting on still in a coil or on a storage spool. Doesn't make all that much difference if you're making the switch in your living room, but if you switch rods (and reels) in the field, it's much easier. Well, there!......THAT simplifies matters considerably. Wolfgang |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
JR wrote:
...... Doesn't make all that much difference if you're making the switch in your living room, but if you switch rods (and reels) in the field, it's much easier. Dan, that last bit should read (perhaps obviously) "....but if you switch rods (and lines) in the field, it's much easier." JR --often confused |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
Mike Connor wrote: Most problems with reels, at least in regard to the perceived weight, arise because they are incorrectly attached to the rod, and thus farther away from the rod hand than they should be. This struck home to me when I replaced the handle and an uplocking reel seat on a rod with a new handle and a down locking reel seat. The rod just didn't feel "right" after this. I reshaped the new grip so it was the same as the old one. This helped a little but it just didn't feel the way it should. Well, recently I drove off with this rod laying on the roof of my truck resulting in a lost rod. So I built another one on the same blank, this time with an up locking seat. Much more comfortable. In the majority of cases, the lightest reel suitable for the task at hand is the best choice. At least for a trout outfit, I agree. Willi |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:45:05 GMT, (Greg Pavlov)
wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:56:07 -0500, Peter Charles wrote: Here's a thought experiment for the both of you. Gather a group of anglers with varying degrees of experience and ask them to participate in a blindfold test of five 9' - 4 wt. rods of different brands. All rods will be cast with 30' of the same line. However, we actually give them the same rod and line only equipped with reels of different weights and sizes. Do you think that would be sufficient difference to make at least some of them believe they are actually casting different rods? I do. I see your point, but given the substantial weight differences among reels marketed for the same wt lines, it's just as easy to find a 4 wt and a 6 wt reel that are close in actual weight as you are to find two 4 wt reels that do so. What may be a bigger weight factor in many cases is the amount of backing that each reel will hold. Ya, I'm just throwing this stuff around as there were a few absolute statements floating about in this thread on balance and such, that are simply not true once you push the envelope a bit and try to use mismatched rods and reels. So everyone has a tipping point where the mismatch goes from "it doesn't matter" to "it matters". Get a bunch of anglers together, such as we have on this thread, and the tipping point varies from person to person. That ain't exactly helpful to the one posing the question, especially when the answers are couched in absolute terms. The responders, of course, are excluding obvious bad mismatches when they present their absolute responses. Unfortunately, this exclusion and their tipping point isn't exactly evident to the neophyte, nor their rational for the comment. I understand that their comment isn't meant to be absolute, so do you and the rest of the regulars, but will the newcomer asking the question realize this? As a JLH owner, I know this reel is very light and from a weight perspective, a #7 could be used on rods as low as a 3 wt. before the weight became an issue. However, there is the matter of the amount of backing needed to fill it when using smaller diameter lines and the esthetics of using a big reel on a small rod (if that is important to our newcomer - we haven't ascertained this). By throwing out an obviously extreme example, I hoped it would generate some useful explanations for the prior absolute comments -- it apparently has. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... Ya, I'm just throwing this stuff around as there were a few absolute statements floating about in this thread on balance and such, that are simply not true once you push the envelope a bit and try to use mismatched rods and reels. So everyone has a tipping point where the mismatch goes from "it doesn't matter" to "it matters". Get a bunch of anglers together, such as we have on this thread, and the tipping point varies from person to person. That ain't exactly helpful to the one posing the question, especially when the answers are couched in absolute terms. The responders, of course, are excluding obvious bad mismatches when they present their absolute responses. Unfortunately, this exclusion and their tipping point isn't exactly evident to the neophyte, nor their rational for the comment. I understand that their comment isn't meant to be absolute, so do you and the rest of the regulars, but will the newcomer asking the question realize this? As a JLH owner, I know this reel is very light and from a weight perspective, a #7 could be used on rods as low as a 3 wt. before the weight became an issue. However, there is the matter of the amount of backing needed to fill it when using smaller diameter lines and the esthetics of using a big reel on a small rod (if that is important to our newcomer - we haven't ascertained this). By throwing out an obviously extreme example, I hoped it would generate some useful explanations for the prior absolute comments -- it apparently has. I count five uses of the word "absolute" in the above. I just went back and reviewed the entire thread....or at least such as appears on my server at the time I write this, 4:25 CST, excluding the above quoted material, and found these absolute statements: "Simple answer to a simple question -- it'll be suitable for a 9' - 6 wt. no problem" "Damn, I blew it again." "...this combination would have at least doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter." ...."but then you knew that already and was jus pulling my leg." If you can point me to some others, I'd appreciate it. Wolfgang |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Don't know who Babel is......little help? Wolfgang He built a very famous tower. HTH Op |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:24:02 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: Wolfgang the sun is settin' like molasses in the sky. You haven't been reading Babel lately, have you ? Not that he ever mentioned molasses. Nah, just finished a book about mosquitoes a couple of days ago and am currently plodding through one inspired by the travels of John Mandeville. Don't know who Babel is......little help? Wolfgang |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Guyz-N-Flyz" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Don't know who Babel is......little help? Wolfgang He built a very famous tower. HTH Op Ah, THAT Babel......the architect. Tried to read one of his works once......couldn't understand a word of it. Wolfgang sure, put 'em on campus for a couple of days and right away they go all ****in' classical on ya. :( |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:34 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "Peter Charles" wrote in message .. . Ya, I'm just throwing this stuff around as there were a few absolute statements floating about in this thread on balance and such, that are simply not true once you push the envelope a bit and try to use mismatched rods and reels. So everyone has a tipping point where the mismatch goes from "it doesn't matter" to "it matters". Get a bunch of anglers together, such as we have on this thread, and the tipping point varies from person to person. That ain't exactly helpful to the one posing the question, especially when the answers are couched in absolute terms. The responders, of course, are excluding obvious bad mismatches when they present their absolute responses. Unfortunately, this exclusion and their tipping point isn't exactly evident to the neophyte, nor their rational for the comment. I understand that their comment isn't meant to be absolute, so do you and the rest of the regulars, but will the newcomer asking the question realize this? As a JLH owner, I know this reel is very light and from a weight perspective, a #7 could be used on rods as low as a 3 wt. before the weight became an issue. However, there is the matter of the amount of backing needed to fill it when using smaller diameter lines and the esthetics of using a big reel on a small rod (if that is important to our newcomer - we haven't ascertained this). By throwing out an obviously extreme example, I hoped it would generate some useful explanations for the prior absolute comments -- it apparently has. I count five uses of the word "absolute" in the above. I just went back and reviewed the entire thread....or at least such as appears on my server at the time I write this, 4:25 CST, excluding the above quoted material, and found these absolute statements: "Simple answer to a simple question -- it'll be suitable for a 9' - 6 wt. no problem" "Damn, I blew it again." "...this combination would have at least doubled your net worth -- which, of course, would result in an automatic and emphatic "Yes" from your quarter." ..."but then you knew that already and was jus pulling my leg." If you can point me to some others, I'd appreciate it. Wolfgang Well, you're doing so well on your own, you don't really need my help, but in the spirit of helping things along, how's this . . . "Beyond providing a rough, and relative, guide to line holding capacity (bigger numbers mean larger size), the weight designations on reels mean absolutely nothing. A lot of people will prate about balancing a reel and rod, but this too is nonsense. This is easy to demonstrate. Choose any rod, reel, and line combination. Practice casting for a few minutes with say, ten feet of line out, paying close attention to how it feels. Then, do the same with thirty feet of line out. If the idiocy of notions about balance is not apparent at the end of half an hour, take up oil painting......it is much more amenable sagacious pronouncements based on specious "reasoning"." I just couldn't help thinking about an SPL 0 wt. and Tibor Gulfstream after reading this passage. :) Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
... Nah, just finished a book about mosquitoes a couple of days ago and am currently plodding through one inspired by the travels of John Mandeville. Don't know who Babel is......little help? Wolfgang Which book about mosquitoes?? Tim Lysyk timlysyk at telus dot net |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... If you can point me to some others, I'd appreciate it. Well, you're doing so well on your own, Thank you. you don't really need my help, Well yeah, that was sort of implicit, don't you think? but in the spirit of helping things along, how's this . . . "Beyond providing a rough, and relative, guide to line holding capacity (bigger numbers mean larger size), the weight designations on reels mean absolutely nothing. A lot of people will prate about balancing a reel and rod, but this too is nonsense. This is easy to demonstrate. Choose any rod, reel, and line combination. Practice casting for a few minutes with say, ten feet of line out, paying close attention to how it feels. Then, do the same with thirty feet of line out. If the idiocy of notions about balance is not apparent at the end of half an hour, take up oil painting......it is much more amenable sagacious pronouncements based on specious "reasoning"." Not very good. "...weight designation on reels mean absoutely nothing" probably LOOKS like an absolute.....to anyone unfamiliar with English, but the qualifier precedes it in the same sentence. "...but this too is nonsense" IS actually pretty absolute. I was sure you'd be able to ferret that out. Ah well. At any rate, I'm disappointed. It's not so much that you got caught with your pants down.....it's really a question of dropping them deliberately and then feigning surprise when someone notices. The point originally made by myself and Mike was that there are no absolutes with regard to the question Dan asked. Rather than accepting that people with experience and the ability to turn it into sound advice that differs from your own philosophy, you chose to treat it as a challenge and made up some unfounded bull**** about absolutism.....rather ironic, that..... and are now willing to continue the farce rather than deal with the situation as you've made it. It wouldn't bother me coming from Snedeker, Barnard, Findley, Choc, Le, Janik, or any of a few others, but I know that you know better. Ah well. I just couldn't help thinking about an SPL 0 wt. and Tibor Gulfstream after reading this passage. :) It really had nothing at all to do with that passage. It was simply an opportunity to wax loquacious. Good job. Wolfgang |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:34:17 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: Don't know who Babel is......little help? Isaac Babel, a Russian writer who disappeared in the Stalin purges. 'The song drifted like smoke. We rode toward the sunset, its boiling rivers pouring over the embroidered napkins of the peasants' fields. The silence turned rosy. The earth lay like a cat's back, covered with a thick, gleaming coat of grain. The mud hamlet of Kletokov crouched on a little hill. Beyond the pass, the vision of deadly, craggly Brody awaited us. But in Klekotov a loud shot exploded in our faces. Two Polish soldiers peered ffrom behind a hut. Their horses were tied to a post. A light enemy battery came riding up the hill. Bullets unfurled like string along the road. "Run for it !" Afonka yelled. And we fled.' The Road to Brody, Red Cavalry stories Very interesting. I'll have to take a look at Babel........might be a while though, I got a LONG list. SO, doesn't that sound like "the sun is settin' like molasses in the sky ?" :-) I does indeed.......but that ain't Babel :) "Black Velvet"--Alannah Myles Wolfgang |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:46:47 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "Peter Charles" wrote in message .. . If you can point me to some others, I'd appreciate it. Well, you're doing so well on your own, Thank you. you don't really need my help, Well yeah, that was sort of implicit, don't you think? but in the spirit of helping things along, how's this . . . "Beyond providing a rough, and relative, guide to line holding capacity (bigger numbers mean larger size), the weight designations on reels mean absolutely nothing. A lot of people will prate about balancing a reel and rod, but this too is nonsense. This is easy to demonstrate. Choose any rod, reel, and line combination. Practice casting for a few minutes with say, ten feet of line out, paying close attention to how it feels. Then, do the same with thirty feet of line out. If the idiocy of notions about balance is not apparent at the end of half an hour, take up oil painting......it is much more amenable sagacious pronouncements based on specious "reasoning"." Not very good. "...weight designation on reels mean absoutely nothing" probably LOOKS like an absolute.....to anyone unfamiliar with English, but the qualifier precedes it in the same sentence. "...but this too is nonsense" IS actually pretty absolute. I was sure you'd be able to ferret that out. Ah well. At any rate, I'm disappointed. It's not so much that you got caught with your pants down.....it's really a question of dropping them deliberately and then feigning surprise when someone notices. The point originally made by myself and Mike was that there are no absolutes with regard to the question Dan asked. Rather than accepting that people with experience and the ability to turn it into sound advice that differs from your own philosophy, you chose to treat it as a challenge and made up some unfounded bull**** about absolutism.....rather ironic, that..... and are now willing to continue the farce rather than deal with the situation as you've made it. It wouldn't bother me coming from Snedeker, Barnard, Findley, Choc, Le, Janik, or any of a few others, but I know that you know better. Come, come now, "Choose any rod, reel, and line combination." That was just too delicious a setup to let it slip by without comment -- ya gotta admit that one. Just one little admission -- it won't hurt that much -- I promise. Ah well. I just couldn't help thinking about an SPL 0 wt. and Tibor Gulfstream after reading this passage. :) It really had nothing at all to do with that passage. It was simply an opportunity to wax loquacious. Good job. Wolfgang Ta Peter |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message news:Ykazb.759$d35.229@edtnps84... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Nah, just finished a book about mosquitoes a couple of days ago and am currently plodding through one inspired by the travels of John Mandeville. Don't know who Babel is......little help? Wolfgang Which book about mosquitoes?? Bit of an abbreviation....it's actually about mosquitoes as disease vectors. "Mosquito; a Natural History of Our Most Persistent and Deadly Foe", Andrew Spielman and Michael D'Antonio, Faber and Faber, 2001. The book is definitely directed at the lay reader.....I'm guessing that epidemiologists and entomologists the world over will find it lacking. :) Wolfgang pretty good read, though. |
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"Peter Charles" wrote in message ... Come, come now, "Choose any rod, reel, and line combination." That was just too delicious a setup to let it slip by without comment -- ya gotta admit that one. Just one little admission -- it won't hurt that much -- I promise. If you saw that much then you doubtless saw both what preceded it and what followed. This is getting very sad. For the first time ever (I believe), EOT for me. Wolfgang |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Bit of an abbreviation....it's actually about mosquitoes as disease vectors. "Mosquito; a Natural History of Our Most Persistent and Deadly Foe", Andrew Spielman and Michael D'Antonio, Faber and Faber, 2001. The book is definitely directed at the lay reader.....I'm guessing that epidemiologists and entomologists the world over will find it lacking. :) Wolfgang pretty good read, though. I doubt they would find it lacking. Spielman does pretty good work, and is an interesting speaker. His material is always worth paying attention to. If have an interest in diseases, look up "Who Gave Pinta to the Santa Maria" by Robert Desowitz. Excellent book, and on sale at Amazon for about 11$ Tim Lysyk timlysyk at telus dot net |
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"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message news:1Nazb.852$d35.126@edtnps84... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Bit of an abbreviation....it's actually about mosquitoes as disease vectors. "Mosquito; a Natural History of Our Most Persistent and Deadly Foe", Andrew Spielman and Michael D'Antonio, Faber and Faber, 2001. The book is definitely directed at the lay reader.....I'm guessing that epidemiologists and entomologists the world over will find it lacking. :) Wolfgang pretty good read, though. I doubt they would find it lacking. Spielman does pretty good work, and is an interesting speaker. His material is always worth paying attention to. If have an interest in diseases, look up "Who Gave Pinta to the Santa Maria" by Robert Desowitz. Excellent book, and on sale at Amazon for about 11$ According to the sticker on the inside of the back cover, I got my copy at Border's for $3.99. I'll always know I liked this book. I habitually mark passages I want to remember (and never do) by folding down a corner of the page on which it appears....this one's got no less than 37 dog-eared pages. Ever read Zinsser's "Rats, Lice, and History"? If not, you should. Originally published back in the early thirties, if memory serves. Dated, but delightful. One of my favorite books of all time. Wolfgang |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
Wolfgang wrote: "Peter Charles" wrote in message ... Come, come now, "Choose any rod, reel, and line combination." That was just too delicious a setup to let it slip by without comment -- ya gotta admit that one. Just one little admission -- it won't hurt that much -- I promise. If you saw that much then you doubtless saw both what preceded it and what followed. This is getting very sad. For the first time ever (I believe), EOT for me. Why, overwhelmed by your own conceit? Willi |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:12:15 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "Peter Charles" wrote in message .. . Come, come now, "Choose any rod, reel, and line combination." That was just too delicious a setup to let it slip by without comment -- ya gotta admit that one. Just one little admission -- it won't hurt that much -- I promise. If you saw that much then you doubtless saw both what preceded it and what followed. This is getting very sad. For the first time ever (I believe), EOT for me. Wolfgang That's a shame, I wasn't taking this seriously at all, neither should you. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
... Ever read Zinsser's "Rats, Lice, and History"? If not, you should. Originally published back in the early thirties, if memory serves. Dated, but delightful. One of my favorite books of all time. Wolfgang Yes, I have. It is dated, but is excellent. I don't have my copy at home (for some stupid reason I left it in my office), but there is one passage that describes his fascination with insects and microbes. I used to read to my class it as part of my opening lecture when I taught med-vet entomology, sort of to explain my bizarre interest in this area. Tim Lysyk timlysyk at telus dot net |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
Wolfgang wrote:
Ever read Zinsser's "Rats, Lice, and History"? If not, you should. Originally published back in the early thirties, if memory serves. Dated, but delightful. One of my favorite books of all time. Wolfgang read minimal parts in high school. you're right wolf, a classic. i'll have to find a copy in the stacks and read in its entirety.... hopefully after i finish my latest read... r.w. mcfarlane's - a stillness in the pines: the ecology of the red-cockaded woodpecker wally |
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"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message news:P7bzb.927$d35.746@edtnps84... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Ever read Zinsser's "Rats, Lice, and History"? If not, you should. Originally published back in the early thirties, if memory serves. Dated, but delightful. One of my favorite books of all time. Wolfgang Yes, I have. It is dated, but is excellent. I don't have my copy at home (for some stupid reason I left it in my office), but there is one passage that describes his fascination with insects and microbes. I used to read to my class it as part of my opening lecture when I taught med-vet entomology, sort of to explain my bizarre interest in this area. Bizarre? Hm.....malaria, influenza, yellow fever, dengue, typhus, typhoid, the plagues, cholera.....pick any two from the (woefully incomplete) list....add up the numbers, and a LACK of interest is truly bizarre. Hell, the first two alone have killed more people in some individual decades than all of the patriots in the history of the world combined. Wolfgang |
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"walt winter" wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: Ever read Zinsser's "Rats, Lice, and History"? If not, you should. Originally published back in the early thirties, if memory serves. Dated, but delightful. One of my favorite books of all time. Wolfgang read minimal parts in high school. you're right wolf, a classic. i'll have to find a copy in the stacks and read in its entirety.... hopefully after i finish my latest read... r.w. mcfarlane's - a stillness in the pines: the ecology of the red-cockaded woodpecker Mmmmm.....birrrrds! "The Search for the Pink-Headed Duck"--Rory Nugent "65290" from "A Sand County Almanac"--Aldo Leopold "The Water Ouzel" chapter 13 of "The Mountains of California"--John Muir Wolfgang o.k., mcfarlane goes on the list......****! :( |
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"steve sullivan" wrote in message Are you sure about that? Really Really sure? I was sold a sth im c2 6-8 weight for stealhead and salmon fishing on the feather. A salmon took my glo bug, and went for a run. The cassette came off and fell into the water. I lost the fish, had to wait till all the line was out so I could pull up the cassette from the bottom of the river. I wouldn't necessarily chalk that up as a faulty reel. In my case, I used that same undersized STH on a 9 wt. for salmon for a few years, and it performed quite well. On the screaming runs, the drag was sometimes less than silky smooth, but the cheapo reel really did the job, even under what was extreme conditions for that reel. When I eventually upgraded, it wasn't because the old one didn't work. Joe F. |
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In article Ykazb.759$d35.229@edtnps84, Tim Lysyk
wrote: Which book about mosquitoes?? While we're on that, there's a terrific book I bought in Scotland : George Hendry, "Midges in Scotland" about the way these pesky no-see-ums have affected the entire history of the Highlands. Anyone who has ever fished there in the summer will realize how important they are. They are very, very sensitive to light levels. Above 260 W/m2 sunlight suppresses them. Biting activity peaks at 100 to 130 W/m2 (that two means squared) Of condiderable interest and use to fisherfolk. Published by the Mercat Press of Edinburgh. Lazarus -- Remover the rock from the email address |
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Greg Pavlov:
Isaac Babel, a Russian writer who disappeared in the Stalin purges. Thanks for the excerpt, Greg. I'll have to look around and see if I can find his work in the local library. That molasses sunset must be a high latitude event. Here it sort of looks like it begins to accelerate when it's about 10 degrees of arc above the horizon. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Darkstar http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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Bizarre? Hm.....malaria, influenza, yellow fever, dengue, typhus, typhoid,
the plagues, cholera.....pick any two from the (woefully incomplete) list....add up the numbers, and a LACK of interest is truly bizarre. Hell, the first two alone have killed more people in some individual decades than all of the patriots in the history of the world combined. Wolfgang So what do you suggest we do to arouse public interest? Having experienced malaria, I'm quite interested in preventing it. Having been vaccinated for Yellow Fever, Typhus, Plague, Cholera, and repeatedly for Typhoid and Influenza, I've subjected my body to preventative mechanisms. Yet public health funding and practice is not only a back burner item but often willfully resented as intrusive. Even physicians still resist filing the necessary communcable STD reports that local health departments need to accurately treat and track these and other diseases. Add to this the politics which erupted and delayed the treatment of HIV infection as a communicable disease, the failure of people everywhere to practice those actions which might lessen the impact of HIV, and suddenly a localized war, or two, becomes a minor reaper. I'm trying to recall who wrote a book called "Man, Microbes and Morality." I read it while still in high school. Would be interesting to see how it reads today. We'll see how many people this years influenzae outbreak harvests. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 |
Matching reel and line/rod weights. What can one get away with?
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Greg Pavlov:
Yes, the Great Communicator sure let his unthoughts be known about HIV, tho I notice that the right wing was very unhappy that that might be presented on TV: history is being rewritten as we speak :-) But otherwise you are grossly generalizing and in the process blaming the victim. Speaking for the US, large numbers of people most certainly did change their sexual practices, reducing the transmission rate among adults. Teens are another story, but I highly suspect that you were omnipotent in those days as well. Remember that HIV can be resident for a number of years before manifesting itself via AIDS, so by the time we understood what was going on, it was way too late for a large number of people. Among them were a good number of hemophiliacs and survivors of operations: their "practice" consisted of receiving blood transfusions. Do you have an idea of what percentage of the hemo- philiacs in this country died of AIDS ? And let's not forget that a lot of kids who have AIDS "practiced" nothing more than making the mistake of being born to someone with HIV. Reagan was not alone in condemning people to infectious disease. But, however much I dislike him it wasn't him I had in mind. Mind you I have no axes to grind in this matter. No one in my immediate family has yet contracted HIV. But while, as you correctly point out, there was a large change in the incidences of several STD's that was apparently linked to behavioral changes in this nation, those markers are sadly creeping upward again. And so is the incidence of HIV infection. This concerns me at more than a professional level. It concerns me as a parent. But there are other places where the disease has already decimated most of a generation. And one has to ask how many people were infected due to refusal to follow even the simplest of prevention guidelines by many people. I'm aware of the risk that hemophiliacs and others dependent upon blood products incurred. I was actively involved in transfusion medicine in the '80's and served as a county ARC information coordinator ( or some other officious title that gave me access to every bit of information ARC had at the time). I think we probably both know the amount of political and social infighting that was involved with changing and tightening donor screening and blood processing regulations. For every Reagan or bible thumper who was happy to see homosexuals die as a result of their activity, there was also a member of the gay community trying to prevent being exposed by someone doing epidemiologic follow-ups. There's sufficient blame to go around. I can't tell you how many hemophiliacs died of acquired HIV infection. If I took the time to do a search I could come up with an approximate number. The answer if too many, and that applies also to transfusion acquired patients. But I'm also aware of how much effort was put into finding and fixing the source of infections. No test for infection was perfect then and none is today. The fact that people then and now would donate blood, knowing that they were at risk of being infectious rather than answering the questionaire correctly astounds me. Teens are a real problem. I was not ommipotent but but since I was already involved in the clinical lab I had a better idea of VD incidence than most of my peers. That knowledge served me well. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Darkstar http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"slenon" wrote in message ... Bizarre? Hm.....malaria, influenza, yellow fever, dengue, typhus, typhoid, the plagues, cholera.....pick any two from the (woefully incomplete) list....add up the numbers, and a LACK of interest is truly bizarre. Hell, the first two alone have killed more people in some individual decades than all of the patriots in the history of the world combined. Wolfgang So what do you suggest we do to arouse public interest? I don't have any suggestions. Public interest waxes and wanes periodically for reasons having to do primarily with selfish interest. There was an extraoridary interest in influenza here in the U.S (among other places) back in aabout 1918-1919. Each year, about this time, interest spikes......but there is only one thing that will cause it to return to the levels of those days. Fortuantely, for those who feel a desire to raise the level of public awareness, that thing WILL come again. Having experienced malaria, I'm quite interested in preventing it. Good luck. The single best weapon against malaria, DDT, is somewhat out of favor these days for reasons that are understandable and mostly, but not quite all, valid. Various other means of controlling the vectors can be successful, in varying degrees and for finite (sometimes surprisingly short) periods, but even in the best case experience has shown that any and all measures dreamed up to date are insufficient for a number of reasons.....some of them surmountable, should the political will exist, and others completely intractable. For example, and this is only one of many (and not necessarily the toughtest), malaria carrying mosquitoes have been eliminated from many areas in which they were once endemic, but they can come back. And in the meantime, a population that once had a partial immunity to malaria due to long exposure becomes the biological equivalent of a dry hay field in the path of a brush fire on a very windy day in a very dry season. It doesn't take long.....a few years. Meanwhile, people in malaria free zones are complacent. Can't really blame them, complacency is what every person with a heart feels people deserve.....it's just that's it's a bit premature. Having been vaccinated for Yellow Fever, Typhus, Plague, Cholera, and repeatedly for Typhoid and Influenza, I've subjected my body to preventative mechanisms. You're rich. It's nice to be rich. Being poor, on the other hand, really sucks. Yet public health funding and practice is not only a back burner item It varies considerably from place to place and time to time. Public health funding here in the U.S., for instance, is actually very high. You just don't see a lot of it because of the purloined letter principle. The greatest boons to public health in history are an assured supply of clean drinking water, adequate sewage treatment, and wetland drainage. The first two, along with other "sanitary" waste disposal (which also ranks high on the public health list) are taken for granted here largely because they are ubiquitous, have been in place for generations and are dealt with by an entrenched, highly efficient, and largely invisible beaurocracy. But it doesn't come cheap. but often willfully resented as intrusive. Yep. It's a trade-off. Remember the fluoridation debates? You interested in having someone dressed in a moon suit walk into your house and spray everything.....and everybody....in sight with things whose names you can't pronounce? Even physicians still resist filing the necessary communcable STD reports that local health departments need to accurately treat and track these and other diseases. Some of them are busy. Some of them resent political intrusion into matters they think (and not necessarily without justification) they understand better themselves. some of them just don't give a ****....or are lazy....or ignorant....etc. Add to this the politics which erupted and delayed the treatment of HIV infection as a communicable disease, the failure of people everywhere to practice those actions which might lessen the impact of HIV, and suddenly a localized war, or two, becomes a minor reaper. I'm trying to recall who wrote a book called "Man, Microbes and Morality." I read it while still in high school. Would be interesting to see how it reads today. We'll see how many people this years influenzae outbreak harvests. Yes, we will........well, those of us who live through it. Wolfgang |
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:28:20 GMT, "slenon" wrote: Add to this the politics which erupted and delayed the treatment of HIV infection as a communicable disease, the failure of people everywhere to practice those actions which might lessen the impact of HIV, and suddenly a localized war, or two, becomes a minor reaper. Yes, the Great Communicator sure let his unthoughts be known about HIV, tho I notice that the right wing was very unhappy that that might be presented on TV: history is being rewritten as we speak :-) But otherwise you are grossly generalizing and in the process blaming the victim. God knows I am no fan of saints in general, and ROFF knows that this one in particular is not among my favorites, but even I didn't get the sense that he was blaming the victims. In light of your comments, I see the ambiguity that I missed when reading St.'s post, but his statement IS, after all, ambiguous. Myself, I passed over "...the failure of people everywhere to practice those actions which might lessen the impact of HIV" while pursuing what I deemed more interesting thoughts and connections. Looking at it now, I believe he could as well have been damning those with a responsibility for protecting the public as the hapless victims themselves. On the other hand.... FWIW, I agree with Wa........um......well, never mind....... :) Speaking for the US, large numbers of people most certainly did change their sexual practices, reducing the transmission rate among adults. Teens are another story, but I highly suspect that you were omnipotent in those days as well. Remember that HIV can be resident for a number of years before manifesting itself via AIDS, so by the time we understood what was going on, it was way too late for a large number of people. Among them were a good number of hemophiliacs and survivors of operations: their "practice" consisted of receiving blood transfusions. Do you have an idea of what percentage of the hemo- philiacs in this country died of AIDS ? And let's not forget that a lot of kids who have AIDS "practiced" nothing more than making the mistake of being born to someone with HIV. Hemophiliacs, as well as many others who required transfusions for one reason or another, were indeed hit hard, and most of them through no fault of their own. But, once again (and some of you can probably imagine how painful this is) I have to come to Ste's defense. From a broad public health perspective, what happened to hemophiliacs in the U.S. and, presumably, other parts of the developed world, pales to insignificance when compared to what is going on in Africa and parts of Asia and South America. I got the impression that the larger picture is what he was addressing. Wolfgang |
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We'll see how many people this years influenzae outbreak harvests. Yes, we will........well, those of us who live through it. Wolfgang No reason to quibble in any of the above. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Darkstar http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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I got the impression that the larger picture is what he was addressing.
Wolfgang In part. I am still unable to understand why someone with a lethal disease will knowingly engage in behavior guaranteed to transmit that disease to others. There's plenty of blame to share with regard to failure to prevent the further spread of HIV infection. Some of it belongs to officialdom and some rightly belongs to those people who willingly engage in high risk behaviors. The recent reports I've read in common press sources indicate that the accessibility of anti-retroviral agents in the developed countries have, in part, encouraged a return to higher prevalences of high risk behavior among gay males as they see infected individuals live longer than previously thought possible. This is of particular concern and worry to me. And reports I've read from third world sources seem to indicate that large segments of the male populace, once infected, have little concern for whom they subsequently infect. Not that this is particular to the third world. I've seen GI's in S.E. Asia try to infect prostitutes with gonorrhea in revenge for acquiring their own infection by ignoring even the most basic safety precautions. Stupidity knows no geographic boundaries. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Darkstar http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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Greg Pavlov:
I am awed by your sacrifice. Slenon is right re the gov't folks, if that is what he meant, US, South Africa, and China being prime examples, but there have also been major exceptions, such as Brazil and Thailand. Brazil took an interesting tack: the hell with patents, we are going to provide third-part manufacture drugs because they're cheap and the alternative is to sit and watch people die. And I would like to see other regions take the same action instead of waiting for someone else to provide the medications required for treating their populations. But we then touch upon how much those governments actually care for their populaces vs the leaders Swiss bank accounts. China is a unique problem in that they seem prone to deny any disease in their population. I don't think that a large number of people dying in one place pales to insignificance because a lot more people are dying somewhere else, but yes, what is going on elsewhere is on a very large scale, in some areas comparable to the scope of the Black Plague. Two hundred babies are born HIV positive in South Africa each day. The human toll is tremendous, as is the public health burden, when you consider how much effort and money is spent on a single AIDS case in the US each year. No death is insignificant to every one. But statistically, our transfusion related deaths, not really preventable by the technology and knowledge we had at the onset of the AIDS outbreak, are a drop in the bucket compared to the loss of entire generations in other nations. And despite the impact of AIDS, it is preventable by rather simple mechanisms if people really wish to do so. Influenzae is far more deadly, far quicker to kill, and far more difficult to prevent. While malaria and the other tropical diseases can be somewhat contained with outside international help and by treating every inter-continental flight and ship as a potential reservoir requiring disinfection, AIDS prevention requires only the most basic of behavior changes, available to even the poorest of nations. There is no excuse for not using insecticides on every inter-continental flight these days. The technology to do the same to shipping containers and hold cargoes is available. While we can't eliminate those reservoirs which have already been created by travel and trade, we can certainly decrease the impact of travel and trade on the future of infectious disease. And prevention still is usually cheaper than treatment. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Darkstar http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"slenon" wrote in message
. .. There is no excuse for not using insecticides on every inter-continental flight these days. There are several reasons not to: insect resistance, human health concerns, origin of the flight (don't need to treat if the flight comes from Europe), time of year (few tropical Anopheles will survive very long during the winter in the northern US and Canada), and infected mosquitos really aren't the way the disease moves around. Fact is, humans as reservoirs are probably more responsible for moving the disease around than infected mosquitos. It can happen with mosquitoes, but is far more likely to happen with people. Canada has several hundred introduced cases of malaria every year, compared to 0 locally transmitted cases. The US now shows the same pattern, with a a few locally transmitted cases of malaria in some areas, but most cases being imported through infected humans. Tim Lysyk timlysyk at telus dot net |
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "Tim Lysyk" wrote in message news:Ykazb.759$d35.229@edtnps84... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Nah, just finished a book about mosquitoes a couple of days ago and am currently plodding through one inspired by the travels of John Mandeville. Don't know who Babel is......little help? Wolfgang Which book about mosquitoes?? Bit of an abbreviation....it's actually about mosquitoes as disease vectors. "Mosquito; a Natural History of Our Most Persistent and Deadly Foe", Andrew Spielman and Michael D'Antonio, Faber and Faber, 2001. The book is definitely directed at the lay reader.....I'm guessing that epidemiologists and entomologists the world over will find it lacking. :) Hey, I just read that book myself!! I'm happy to say that I now can identify a C. Pipens from an Anopholes on sight, which in these parts is much more than just a party trick. In fact, after getting chomped while laying in bed the other night, my definitive ID that the mossie was not an Anopholes enabled me to get some sleep, and has left me with considerably less anxiety about my current flu. Great book, for the layman. --riverman (and yes, I did get tested, and no, its not malaria) |
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There are several reasons not to: insect resistance, human health concerns,
origin of the flight (don't need to treat if the flight comes from Europe), time of year (few tropical Anopheles will survive very long during the winter in the northern US and Canada), and infected mosquitos really aren't the way the disease moves around. Fact is, humans as reservoirs are probably more responsible for moving the disease around than infected mosquitos. It can happen with mosquitoes, but is far more likely to happen with people. Canada has several hundred introduced cases of malaria every year, compared to 0 locally transmitted cases. The US now shows the same pattern, with a a few locally transmitted cases of malaria in some areas, but most cases being imported through infected humans. Tim Lysyk Your arguments are worth consideration. However, a flight may originate in Africa or Asia, stop in Europe, and continue to the U.S. or Canada. There are some insecticides that are of relatively low impact upon humans and seem to maintain efficacy against insects. While humans are a reservoir for malaria and other insect vectored diseases, we may discover that they can be transmitted by other than the usual vector and hosted by unsuspected species. Malaria existed in the U.S. up into the 1930's in areas as far north as lat 37. Recent news in FL indicates that some of our local mosquito species are now transmitting malaria just as yours in Canada are doing. You are arguing based upon known factors and to some degree upon those factors being stable. I'm arguing based upon probabilities that new vectors and hosts will emerge as travel and trade allow. I hope you are correct. It would also be interesting to see the effects of running all aircraft recirculated air through UV treatment to see if that decreases transmission of viral disease during flights. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Darkstar http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"slenon" wrote in message m... Your arguments are worth consideration..... Well, ya beat me to it........I was thinking the same thing.......but I'm no authority......if we could just find an entomologist or something.....maybe he could help us......I dunno.....whattya think? Wolfgang |
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