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Dave LaCourse June 13th, 2008 06:33 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:12:01 -0400, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:

"back there" is mainly the luckiest sonofabitch in the us of a. :)


you sweet talkin', see-through drinkin', lawyer sonofabitch, using
flattery, which ain't gonna get you anywhere. d;o)

You need to come North, you cracker, and catch some of these big brook
trout and salmon. Power company upped the flow to 4700 cfs, but I
found a little eddy where some nice salmon and a couple of brookies
were holding. Caught them after breakfast. Just before lunch, they
lowered the river to 2700 cfs. Lots of places now to fish. You're
missin' out.

My sweet little Russian cabin girl, Elana, says HI!

Dave



salmobytes[_5_] June 13th, 2008 06:47 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:55:13 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

There was no such thing as pc when I learned to respect a man
regardless his color or religion. You do not *need* pc to be
respectful. It is taught to you by your parents, and if it takes
root, you pass it on to your offspring. I have done that - no pc
involved.


My definition of pc is to show respect--when deserved--with
both your actions and your speech. Do you have a different
definition? And if not, how is that different than what
your parents taught you?

Dave LaCourse June 13th, 2008 09:05 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:47:03 -0600, salmobytes
wrote:

My definition of pc is to show respect--when deserved--with
both your actions and your speech. Do you have a different
definition? And if not, how is that different than what
your parents taught you?


Your definition doesn't go far enough. It is now PC not to hug at
some schools. PC not to even hold hands. Some schools are getting so
ridiculous with it that they are thinking of different schools for the
boys and girls. I could name a few more that I have encountered, but
what's the use? You still wouldn't agree. d;o)



Dave LaCourse June 13th, 2008 09:26 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
http://www.languagemonitor.com/wst_page20.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...al+correctness

My favorite is "holiday tree". Right up there with "Happy Holidays"
instead of the real reason we celebrate the season, "Christmas". It's
a bit early, Sandy, but, Merry Christmas to you. Do you cut your own
Christmas Tree? We do.

Dave



[email protected] June 13th, 2008 09:32 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:26:50 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

http://www.languagemonitor.com/wst_page20.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...al+correctness

My favorite is "holiday tree". Right up there with "Happy Holidays"
instead of the real reason we celebrate the season, "Christmas". It's
a bit early, Sandy, but, Merry Christmas to you. Do you cut your own
Christmas Tree? We do.


Um...the reason "we" celebrate "the season"...and go logging....can "we"
take it that your "we" doesn't include any Jews...well, except for Jesus
Christ hisownself...?

HTH,
R

Dave


salmobytes[_5_] June 13th, 2008 11:24 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Do you cut your own
Christmas Tree? We do.


Nah, I'm sick of Christmas. Kids are grown and gone.
What's the good of it. I'd rather be bonefishing
in December. Dave, this is getting really tedious.
Can't we fight about something else now?

I'll see if I can come up with something better for
the both of us.

salmobytes[_5_] June 14th, 2008 12:05 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 
salmobytes wrote:

I'll see if I can come up with something better for
the both of us (to fight about). Political Correctness
is just too lame


....what about draft card burning?
I did that once. On the steps of the Pentagon,
with McNamara watching from a second story window.
I saw the jackass there, looking out from a window.

....if you look closely at the following 40 year old black
and white photo of the Pentagon steps, October 1967,
you'll see a white-helmeted US Marshal &^%$sucker mother ^%$%#er
about to wack me with a night stick. I'm the guy in the middle
of that mess, wearing the white and black checked jacket.

Took four of those pricks to get the cuffs on me.
The now defunct Washington Star ran two large-format tight-torso shots
of two crowd figures the next day. One shot was the now famous
photo of the guy (from the NY jug band the Fugs) stuffing flowers
down the rifle barrel. The other photo, like Dr Jeckel and Mr Hyde,
was of me smacking the teeth out of a US Marshal, on the Pentagon
steps.

I couldn't find that photo online. But I did find this one:
http://72.167.122.147/Robopages/Sixt...n/Thats_me.jpg

I had an old Honeywell Pentax with threaded, screw-in 105mm lense that
day. I took 3-4 rolls of film of the rifle-barrel flower-child seen alone.

Maybe had a dozen 35mm rolls all together. I had a good shot of
the US Marshals putting the cuffs on Norman Mailer.

But the Pentagon stole the film. When I got out of jail (Occaquan) two
days later I got my wallet and camera back. But film and what little
cash I had was long gone. Those were the good old days--in a way. Real
bad rednecks-gone-wild days in a lot of others. 50,000 or more good
young men lost their lives for nothing, back then--because of stupid,
brain damaged rednecks like you, rednecks who like to say:
"we could have won that war."

Which isn't true. But even if it was, the outcome would still have been
the same in the long run. Vietnam is rapidly abandoning communism now,
because they've discovered it just doesn't work. So we could have
arrived at the same destination without the war, if it hadn't been for
Johnson, Nixon, John Foster Dulles and the John Birch Society. And brain
dead redneck morons, of which we still have an abundance.

And now, 40 years later, the country is still split down the middle
because of this mess.



Bob Weinberger[_2_] June 14th, 2008 12:26 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 

"salmobytes" wrote in message
. ..
salmobytes wrote:


snip

50,000 or more good
young men lost their lives for nothing, back then--because of stupid,
brain damaged rednecks like you, rednecks who like to say:
"we could have won that war."

Which isn't true. But even if it was, the outcome would still have been
the same in the long run. Vietnam is rapidly abandoning communism now,
because they've discovered it just doesn't work. So we could have
arrived at the same destination without the war, if it hadn't been for
Johnson, Nixon, John Foster Dulles and the John Birch Society. And brain
dead redneck morons, of which we still have an abundance.

And now, 40 years later, the country is still split down the middle
because of this mess.


It would be really interesting to see what course you take if Obama chooses
Jim Webb - a distinct possibility - as a running mate.

Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR


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Ken Fortenberry[_2_] June 14th, 2008 12:58 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 
salmobytes wrote:
...
Those were the good old days--in a way. Real
bad rednecks-gone-wild days in a lot of others. 50,000 or more good
young men lost their lives for nothing, back then--because of stupid,
brain damaged rednecks like you, rednecks who like to say:
"we could have won that war."

Which isn't true. ...


You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Tom Littleton June 14th, 2008 01:40 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.

--
Ken Fortenberry



as a liberal-leaning type, this sort of hyperbole makes me cringe. Way to
go, Ken, you've actually made me start to feel sorry for McCain. One cannot
decry over-the-top bull**** about Obama and spout the above. People in
general, and I suspect McCain personally, are far more subtle, more nuanced
than that description. Enough rhetoric like the above and I'll throw my
hands up and vote for Barr.....
Tom



Ken Fortenberry[_2_] June 14th, 2008 03:06 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 
Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.


as a liberal-leaning type, this sort of hyperbole makes me cringe. Way to
go, Ken, you've actually made me start to feel sorry for McCain. One cannot
decry over-the-top bull**** about Obama and spout the above. People in
general, and I suspect McCain personally, are far more subtle, more nuanced
than that description. Enough rhetoric like the above and I'll throw my
hands up and vote for Barr.....


Well, I kinda doubt my Insane McCain rhetoric will be given
a lot of coverage in the mainstream media. You have to admit
though that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing
over and over and expecting a different outcome, and that is a
concise summary of Insane McCain's foreign policy.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Bob Weinberger[_2_] June 14th, 2008 04:03 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.

--
Ken Fortenberry


Ken,
I happen to be a great admirer of Jim Webb and totally agree that he is
certainly no wackjob and definately not a war monger. He is a man of
principal and firm sense of honor. However, you probably should read some of
his writings the conduct of theViet Nam War and his opinion of some of
the things he believes we could have should have done to win that conflict
before you use him as an illustration on this particular point.

Bob Weinberger


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

[email protected] June 14th, 2008 04:33 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 

On 13-Jun-2008, salmobytes wrote:

isn't true. But even if it was, the outcome would still have been
the same in the long run. Vietnam is rapidly abandoning communism now,
because they've discovered it just doesn't work. So we could have
arrived at the same destination without the war, if it hadn't been for
Johnson, Nixon, John Foster Dulles and the John Birch Society. And brain
dead redneck morons, of which we still have an abundance.

And now, 40 years later, the country is still split down the middle
because of this mess.


Amen to the above
I was probably near you at the Pentagon
I also was a draft card burning pinko

**** Robert McNamara - I hope he's dead

Who woulda thunk it?
To be in a mess like Iraq 40 yrs later
People make money on wars
Its called war profiteering and they are responsible fot killing all kinds
of innocent people and our own American boys - for what?

J'accuse Bush Cheney and their ass hole buddy McCain of being war profiteers
and war criminals

If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least vote the
current ****bags out -

Gas already $4.00 a gallon - food price wars - a never ending morass in
Afghanistan and Iraq and
Serious US educational problems - the cracks are growing larger
What choice is there?\
My border collie would be better.
VBote for Boss Tweed for Prez

Hopefully the next administration will hang the ****ers just like they did
to Saddam and then we will be rid of some more of these reprobate swine -
but I think not!

Yet
I really care not to think about the political manure we are all wading in
esp on a fly fishing ng

Which is my reason for the OT post


Fred

Tim J. June 14th, 2008 10:17 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
wrote:
snip
If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least vote
the current ****bags out -


Fred, you ignorant slut (and I mean that in the most affectionate way. . .)
Do you think as you type, or do you find you kinda fade in and out? ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



W. D. Grey June 14th, 2008 01:28 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
In article , Dave LaCourse
writes
Dave, who still thinks PC is bull****. d;o)


A lot of it certainly /IS/

To ask for a Black Coffee is non PC...????
--
Bill Grey


Ken Fortenberry[_2_] June 14th, 2008 01:51 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
You've hit at the core of the Insane McCain problem. McCain is
one of those insane jingoes from the '60's who believes we could
have, should have, won the Vietnam War if only the politicians
had given the military free rein to do so. He is exactly the
kind of dangerous nutcase who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near
the White House.

There are lots of folks who survived Vietnam who are not whackjobs,
Kerry, Hagel, Webb, Cleland are or were Senate colleagues of McCain's
who were in Vietnam and none of them is a dangerous war monger like
McCain. Some have suggested that this is because the aforementioned
colleagues actually fought in the war while McCain was held captive
in the Hanoi Hilton. Whatever the reason McCain is nuts and unfit to
lead a Boy Scout troop much less the military of the United States.


Ken,
I happen to be a great admirer of Jim Webb and totally agree that he is
certainly no wackjob and definately not a war monger. He is a man of
principal and firm sense of honor. However, you probably should read some of
his writings the conduct of theViet Nam War and his opinion of some of
the things he believes we could have should have done to win that conflict
before you use him as an illustration on this particular point.


My point is no matter how misguided Webb may have been (or still is)
about Vietnam the experience didn't turn him into a doddering, senile,
old warmonger as apparently happened to Insane McCain.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] June 14th, 2008 02:55 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:05:10 -0600, salmobytes wrote:

salmobytes wrote:

I'll see if I can come up with something better for
the both of us (to fight about). Political Correctness
is just too lame


...what about draft card burning?
I did that once. On the steps of the Pentagon,
with McNamara watching from a second story window.
I saw the jackass there, looking out from a window.

...if you look closely at the following 40 year old black
and white photo of the Pentagon steps, October 1967,
you'll see a white-helmeted US Marshal &^%$sucker mother ^%$%#er
about to wack me with a night stick. I'm the guy in the middle
of that mess, wearing the white and black checked jacket.

Took four of those pricks to get the cuffs on me.
The now defunct Washington Star ran two large-format tight-torso shots
of two crowd figures the next day. One shot was the now famous
photo of the guy (from the NY jug band the Fugs) stuffing flowers
down the rifle barrel. The other photo, like Dr Jeckel and Mr Hyde,
was of me smacking the teeth out of a US Marshal, on the Pentagon
steps.

I couldn't find that photo online. But I did find this one:
http://72.167.122.147/Robopages/Sixt...n/Thats_me.jpg

I had an old Honeywell Pentax with threaded, screw-in 105mm lense that
day. I took 3-4 rolls of film of the rifle-barrel flower-child seen alone.

Maybe had a dozen 35mm rolls all together. I had a good shot of
the US Marshals putting the cuffs on Norman Mailer.

But the Pentagon stole the film. When I got out of jail (Occaquan) two
days later I got my wallet and camera back. But film and what little
cash I had was long gone. Those were the good old days--in a way. Real
bad rednecks-gone-wild days in a lot of others. 50,000 or more good
young men lost their lives for nothing, back then--because of stupid,
brain damaged rednecks like you, rednecks who like to say:
"we could have won that war."

Which isn't true. But even if it was, the outcome would still have been
the same in the long run. Vietnam is rapidly abandoning communism now,
because they've discovered it just doesn't work. So we could have
arrived at the same destination without the war, if it hadn't been for
Johnson, Nixon, John Foster Dulles and the John Birch Society. And brain
dead redneck morons, of which we still have an abundance.

And now, 40 years later, the country is still split down the middle
because of this mess.

Well, now, that explains a lot...what it doesn't explain is why you
seemingly think US involvement in "Vietnam"/SE Asia began with
Johnson...how did and do feel about JFK? And didya ever notice that
"How many kids did you kill today?" sounds about the same with either
"LBJ" or "JFK," but doesn't quite go with "RMN"...?

HTH,
R

[email protected] June 14th, 2008 05:51 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 

On 14-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:

snip
If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least vote
the current ****bags out -


Fred, you ignorant slut (and I mean that in the most affectionate way. .
.)
Do you think as you type, or do you find you kinda fade in and out? ;-)
--
TL,
Tim



Tim:

FYI - I can move my arms think, speak and amazingly even play my fiddle as
I type
In the current political climate It did not take a lot of thinking or
feeling with what to do w Bush and Cheney

Just some plain common sense!
Does the federal government care more for Americans ? or for global world
policy and $$$$ in their own pockets?

Fred

Tim J. June 14th, 2008 11:01 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
typed:
On 14-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:

snip
If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least
vote the current ****bags out -


Fred, you ignorant slut (and I mean that in the most affectionate
way. . .)
Do you think as you type, or do you find you kinda fade in and out?
;-)


Tim:

FYI - I can move my arms think, speak and amazingly even play my
fiddle as I type
In the current political climate It did not take a lot of thinking or
feeling with what to do w Bush and Cheney

Just some plain common sense!
Does the federal government care more for Americans ? or for global
world policy and $$$$ in their own pockets?


I'm not questioning your politics - hell, opinions are like assholes, right?
Let's look at what you wrote, shall we?

If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least
vote the current ****bags out -


1) If voting is useless, then it would be impossible for anyone's vote to
"vote the current ****bags out" simply because the vote is useless.
2) (For the tenth freakin' time) I don't recall a YES/NO checkbox next to
anyone's name on the ballot. You vote someone IN, not OUT.
3) Fred, you ignorant slut. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj




Tim J. June 14th, 2008 11:03 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
W. D. Grey typed:
In article , Dave LaCourse
writes
Dave, who still thinks PC is bull****. d;o)


A lot of it certainly /IS/

To ask for a Black Coffee is non PC...????


Yes. Especially is you ask for black coffee with brown sugar.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Tim J. June 14th, 2008 11:16 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
Tim J. typed:
typed:
On 14-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:

snip
If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least
vote the current ****bags out -

Fred, you ignorant slut (and I mean that in the most affectionate
way. . .)
Do you think as you type, or do you find you kinda fade in and out?
;-)


Tim:

FYI - I can move my arms think, speak and amazingly even play my
fiddle as I type
In the current political climate It did not take a lot of thinking or
feeling with what to do w Bush and Cheney

Just some plain common sense!
Does the federal government care more for Americans ? or for global
world policy and $$$$ in their own pockets?


I'm not questioning your politics - hell, opinions are like assholes,
right? Let's look at what you wrote, shall we?

If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least
vote the current ****bags out -


1) If voting is useless, then it would be impossible for anyone's
vote to "vote the current ****bags out" simply because the vote is
useless. 2) (For the tenth freakin' time) I don't recall a YES/NO
checkbox next to anyone's name on the ballot. You vote someone IN,
not OUT. 3) Fred, you ignorant slut. ;-)


oops. . .
4) The "current ****bags" can't be voted back in, so they're already on
their way out.
5) Fred, you ignorant slut.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Dave LaCourse June 15th, 2008 01:49 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:03:49 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

W. D. Grey typed:
In article , Dave LaCourse
writes
Dave, who still thinks PC is bull****. d;o)


A lot of it certainly /IS/

To ask for a Black Coffee is non PC...????


Yes. Especially is you ask for black coffee with brown sugar.


under your Christmas tree on Christmas morning.

(Home for a couple of days to do some business, then back to Lakewood
for another week. Fishing was still good when I left, even though the
flow was 2700 cfs.)

Dave



[email protected] June 15th, 2008 04:38 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 

On 14-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:

Tim:

FYI - I can move my arms think, speak and amazingly even play my
fiddle as I type
In the current political climate It did not take a lot of thinking or
feeling with what to do w Bush and Cheney

Just some plain common sense!
Does the federal government care more for Americans ? or for global
world policy and $$$$ in their own pockets?


I'm not questioning your politics - hell, opinions are like ass holes,
right?
Let's look at what you wrote, shall we?

If you vote and (I personally believe it to be useless) at least
vote the current ****bags out -



1) If voting is useless, then it would be impossible for anyone's vote to
"vote the current ****bags out" simply because the vote is useless.
2) (For the tenth freakin' time) I don't recall a YES/NO checkbox next to
anyone's name on the ballot. You vote someone IN, not OUT.
3) Fred, you ignorant slut. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim


You calling me an Ignorant slut - That is like the pot calling the kettle
black!
BTW I am old enough to have also seen SNL

First of all in case you did not know that you can vote the ****bags out by
voting non republican - DUHHH!!!!!!


And

#1 Whether it is useless or not to vote - there are obviously many here who
believe that it does matter
Tho' I am surely not one
So - I am imploring them to at least vote for some other ****ball besides
McCain
A vote for McCain = endorsement of the incumbents

#2

Bush and Cheney are Rupublicans and they are the incumbents- DDDUHHHHH!
A vote for some other party is certainly a no to them!
There may be no checkbox fopr a yes and no but there should be one!

#3 Duhhh!!! Again see my opening line

Is there any other thing that you do not, will not or do not want to
comprehend about my posts
They are really not that cryptic.
Do you really need to understand anything else
or do you just like to pull people's chains?

If so
Pls go elsewhere pull LaCourse's chain or Wofgang's
They like it and need it.

I do not!

Fred

Dave LaCourse June 15th, 2008 12:15 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:38:08 GMT, wrote:

First of all in case you did not know that you can vote the ****bags out by
voting non republican - DUHHH!!!!!!


Fred, you should take a civics class or two. Our system is not
parliamentary. There is no "voting them out". Bush was twice elected
by the people, to serve a total of 8 years. His term will end on
01-20-09, and NOT because he was "voted out". If you wanted him
"out", you should have impeached him.......oh, but wait, there is no
evidence to impeach him, is there? d;o)

Take your blood pressure pills, Fred.

Dave



Tom Littleton June 15th, 2008 01:56 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
.......oh, but wait, there is no
evidence to impeach him, is there? d;o)


geez, David...there is ample evidence to impeach him twice over. It's just
that no one wants to see Cheney in charge, with Pelosi next in line.
Tom



Tim J. June 15th, 2008 03:05 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
wrote:
snipped slobbering rebuttal and stuttering duhs
Is there any other thing that you do not, will not or do not want to
comprehend about my posts
They are really not that cryptic.
Do you really need to understand anything else
or do you just like to pull people's chains?


I'd just appreciate it if YOU would read your posts before you hit the send
button. It is a bit rude to gush nonsensical crap all over Usenet. Someone
has to clean up, you know. ;-)

If so
Pls go elsewhere


Thanks, but I like it here. It's all kinda fuzzy and warm.

pull LaCourse's chain or Wofgang's
They like it and need it.


Dave? Wolfgang? Is this true? I'm always the last to know. :(

I do not!


Like it or not, it seems to be there for the pulling.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Dave LaCourse June 15th, 2008 03:59 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:56:43 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

geez, David...there is ample evidence to impeach him twice over. It's just
that no one wants to see Cheney in charge, with Pelosi next in line.
Tom


Impeach Cheney too, AND Pelosi.

Simple. Got the evidence? Impeach!



Dave LaCourse June 15th, 2008 04:03 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:38:08 GMT, wrote:

I do not!


Then you shouldn't expose your chain so much. It is so *easy* to
pull. I have never encountered someone whose skin is so thin. It's
like taking candy from a baby.

Ooooops, I forgot. You don't read my posts, do you? d;o)



[email protected] June 15th, 2008 04:29 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 


On 15-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:

I'd just appreciate it if YOU would read your posts before you hit the
send
button. It is a bit rude to gush nonsensical crap all over Usenet. Someone

has to clean up, you know. ;-)


Timmy my man!

Are you the usenet police again?
If so then go after those who post their politics on ROFF without an OT
'
Otherwise find something better to do than pull my chain
Work on your car?
Paint?
Pull your own chain?
Legthen your acronym list for ROFF or even masturbate.

My posts do make a modicum of sense to many in the English speaking world

Now if you do NOT like my politics, Timmy , or you do not like me or if you
really want to pull my chain - - Don't
waste my time
I do have better things to do than respond to your BS.
so
Instead - put your head in the toilet bowl and flush.

But really behind all the words what I am saying loud and clear is **** off!

Comprende hombre?
Es claro?

Fred

[email protected] June 15th, 2008 05:22 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:56:43 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
.. .
......oh, but wait, there is no
evidence to impeach him, is there? d;o)


geez, David...there is ample evidence to impeach him twice over.


Hmmm...to paraphrase Sol Wachtler, if a halfway decent prosecutor can
get an average grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, it would seem a
bunch of tubesteaks could impeach any President with nothing but
baloney...and as with most tubesteaks and bologna, one would be left
asking, "where's the beef...?"

It's just
that no one wants to see Cheney in charge, with Pelosi next in line.


Well, yeah, there's that, too...

But seriously, I don't think there is enough incontrovertible evidence
to impeach him once, much less twice, and therefore, the bar for
conviction is not merely too high, but non-existent. To seek indictment
while believing that conviction is not supportable is improper.

The area in which it seems those interested in impeachment base their
argument is the invasion of and war in Iraq, or really, the alleged
"manufacturing" of the reason(s) for them. One big problem for the
House is that most members supported it and had access to the same basic
information, and more importantly, there is no way to prove a negative;
the only possible argument would and could be along the general lines of
"the official record before the House indicates there was nothing found
that the H of R would term 'WMDs'." Unfortunately for such an argument,
under various definitions (including those from the UN that the US and
many other nations use, that predate both the invasion and war as well
as the Bush Presidency), "WMDs" were, in fact, found. IAC, even taking
it to the extreme and using "WMDs" to mean only nuked-up ICBMs and
high-tech launch and control systems, not finding something doesn't mean
that it doesn't exist. Also, the official record clearly indicates that
Saddam/Iraq not only had previously possessed them, but used them,
trying to prove that anyone (even Saddam himself) could _know_ what
weapon(s) might be where would be impossible.

And lastly, there's the numerous potential dangers in it - for example,
if something particularly ugly had been found, but kept secret for
security reasons, can you imagine the backlash if the House attempted to
impeach and had their case totally destroyed? Or worse, suppose the
ranking/entitled members already know, yet allow something to move
forward?

TC,
R

Tom


jeff miller[_2_] June 15th, 2008 07:15 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
wrote:
On 15-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:


I'd just appreciate it if YOU would read your posts before you hit the
send
button. It is a bit rude to gush nonsensical crap all over Usenet. Someone

has to clean up, you know. ;-)



Timmy my man!

Are you the usenet police again?
If so then go after those who post their politics on ROFF without an OT
'
Otherwise find something better to do than pull my chain
Work on your car?
Paint?
Pull your own chain?
Legthen your acronym list for ROFF or even masturbate.

My posts do make a modicum of sense to many in the English speaking world

Now if you do NOT like my politics, Timmy , or you do not like me or if you
really want to pull my chain - - Don't
waste my time
I do have better things to do than respond to your BS.
so
Instead - put your head in the toilet bowl and flush.

But really behind all the words what I am saying loud and clear is **** off!

Comprende hombre?
Es claro?

Fred


....and herein is the conundrum. of all the folks i know or have
experienced here, and despite his evenly-tempered republican affiliation
(which i attribute solely to some cosmic anomaly and for which i forgive
him easily), Tim is as fine and welcome a personality and individual on
this group as one is likely to find on the internet or anywhere else for
that matter. folks i've met, and whose opinion i value and who have
spent time with him in person, speak well of him. my own e-mail
communications with him also prove to me the incomparable balance and
worth of his opinions. frankly, if he said i was full of ****, i'd
trust his opinion and reassess my own conduct. based on your writings
fred, and only on your writings here (a very, very poor indicator, in my
personal experience...but all i have), you're full of **** fred. think
about it...or don't. comprendre indeed...

jeff

Ken Fortenberry[_2_] June 15th, 2008 09:54 PM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
wrote:
"Tim J." wrote:
I'd just appreciate it if YOU would read your posts before you hit the
send button. It is a bit rude to gush nonsensical crap all over Usenet.
...


Timmy my man!

Are you the usenet police again? ...


Usenet is self-policing which means anyone named "SELF" can
police Usenet including Timmmmmay his ownSELF and mySELF.
And Timmmmmmmay is right, your posts are rude. The only
quibble I have is that he calls your posts a "bit rude".
I disagree. I think your posts are extraordinarily rude.

Posting the way you do, (nonsensical gibberish), shows that
you have no respect for the readers of your posts. If you have
so little respect for the readers of your posts why in the hell
should they respect you ?

Timmmay gave you some good advice. My advice is to take it to
heart.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] June 15th, 2008 11:37 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:15:05 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

wrote:
On 15-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:


I'd just appreciate it if YOU would read your posts before you hit the
send
button. It is a bit rude to gush nonsensical crap all over Usenet. Someone

has to clean up, you know. ;-)



Timmy my man!

Are you the usenet police again?
If so then go after those who post their politics on ROFF without an OT
'
Otherwise find something better to do than pull my chain
Work on your car?
Paint?
Pull your own chain?
Legthen your acronym list for ROFF or even masturbate.

My posts do make a modicum of sense to many in the English speaking world

Now if you do NOT like my politics, Timmy , or you do not like me or if you
really want to pull my chain - - Don't
waste my time
I do have better things to do than respond to your BS.
so
Instead - put your head in the toilet bowl and flush.

But really behind all the words what I am saying loud and clear is **** off!

Comprende hombre?
Es claro?

Fred


...and herein is the conundrum. of all the folks i know or have
experienced here, and despite his evenly-tempered republican affiliation
(which i attribute solely to some cosmic anomaly and for which i forgive
him easily), Tim is as fine and welcome a personality and individual on
this group as one is likely to find on the internet or anywhere else for
that matter. folks i've met, and whose opinion i value and who have
spent time with him in person, speak well of him. my own e-mail
communications with him also prove to me the incomparable balance and
worth of his opinions. frankly, if he said i was full of ****, i'd
trust his opinion and reassess my own conduct.


Um...if he were to declare you as being full of ****, then your opinion
of the folks whose opinions you value would be suspect...further, their
opinions would be suspect as they choose to not only associate with, but
opine to persons who acknowledge their own full-of-****ness, albeit via
proxy...therefore, it would seem that given the above you being full
of **** and all, the fact that you trust Tim's opinion based on the
afore-demonstrable suspect opinions of others, wouldn't mean ****
because Tim's opinion of your full-of-****ness might be full of ****...

That said, I don't need to know other folks' opinion(s) about Tim to
come right out and say that if he said you were full of ****, well,
****, I'd say that he knew his ****, too...oh, OK...G...

based on your writings
fred, and only on your writings here (a very, very poor indicator, in my
personal experience...but all i have), you're full of **** fred.


Yeah, OK, so there is THAT...

think
about it...or don't. comprendre indeed...


PIE A LA MODE! CAFE SIN LECHE! MANGIA, MANGIA!

TC,
R

jeff



Tim J. June 16th, 2008 02:29 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
wrote:
On 15-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:

I'd just appreciate it if YOU would read your posts before you hit
the send button. It is a bit rude to gush nonsensical crap all over
Usenet. Someone has to clean up, you know. ;-)


Timmy my man!

Are you the usenet police again?


All I'm saying, Fred, is this place is one where what you write is
important. It is the only means anyone here has to judge your stance or
understand what you're saying. A typo here or there is not the problem with
your posts. Most of the time I have to read them several times before I can
even venture a guess at what you're trying to say. Slow down, read what you
wrote, adjust it so the points are clear, and THEN hit send.

If so then go after those who post their politics on ROFF without an
OT '


Posting politics without OT in the subject isn't that big of a deal, and,
IMHO just stating OT doesn't make it okay to post anything you want. Go back
through all ROFF's posts over the years, and you'll find precious little
regarding my politics. I've made enough forays into some of the political
threads so my politics aren't a secret, and that's about all. The people
here know I dress to the right - so what. I can't help it if all those
left-dressers are dead wrong. ;-)

Otherwise find something better to do than pull my chain
Work on your car?
Paint?
Pull your own chain?
Legthen your acronym list for ROFF


DAMN! I should have known you were writing in acronyms. Can you go back and
explain them to me?

or even masturbate.


Hmmmm . . . got a thing for masturbation today, have we?

My posts do make a modicum of sense to many in the English speaking
world


Shall we take a vote? ;-)

Now if you do NOT like my politics, Timmy , or you do not like me or
if you really want to pull my chain - - Don't waste my time


sigh Once again, this has nothing to do with your politics. If you want to
damn Dick Cheney to a life of boils and pestilence, go ahead (not that you
haven't done this on an almost daily basis), but please make sure I can
understand what you wrote. THEN I can tell you you're full of **** for
something other than your communication skills.

I do have better things to do than respond to your BS. so
Instead - put your head in the toilet bowl and flush.

But really behind all the words what I am saying loud and clear is
**** off!


Nope. I'll be right here waiting for your next set of instructions.

Comprende hombre?
Es claro?


Well, I think you made yourself clear (?) to me, and have probably exposed
some deep nastiness you didn't intend to others here as well.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Tim J. June 16th, 2008 02:35 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
jeff miller wrote:
wrote:
On 15-Jun-2008, "Tim J." wrote:


I'd just appreciate it if YOU would read your posts before you hit
the send
button. It is a bit rude to gush nonsensical crap all over Usenet.
Someone has to clean up, you know. ;-)



Timmy my man!

Are you the usenet police again?
If so then go after those who post their politics on ROFF without
an OT '
Otherwise find something better to do than pull my chain
Work on your car?
Paint?
Pull your own chain?
Legthen your acronym list for ROFF or even masturbate.

My posts do make a modicum of sense to many in the English speaking
world Now if you do NOT like my politics, Timmy , or you do not like me
or
if you really want to pull my chain - - Don't
waste my time
I do have better things to do than respond to your BS.
so
Instead - put your head in the toilet bowl and flush.

But really behind all the words what I am saying loud and clear is
**** off! Comprende hombre?
Es claro?

Fred


...and herein is the conundrum. of all the folks i know or have
experienced here, and despite his evenly-tempered republican
affiliation (which i attribute solely to some cosmic anomaly and for
which i forgive him easily), Tim is as fine and welcome a personality
and individual on this group as one is likely to find on the internet
or anywhere else for that matter. folks i've met, and whose opinion
i value and who have spent time with him in person, speak well of
him. my own e-mail communications with him also prove to me the
incomparable balance and worth of his opinions. frankly, if he said
i was full of ****, i'd trust his opinion and reassess my own
conduct. based on your writings fred, and only on your writings here
(a very, very poor indicator, in my personal experience...but all i
have), you're full of **** fred. think about it...or don't. comprendre
indeed...


Wow. I'm going to have to meet this Tim guy one of these days. He sounds
like a great fella! ;-)

Thanks, Jeff. It may not all be true, but it was nice to read anyway. . .
and, it goes without saying ('tho that never stopped me before) that I've
never found you to be full of ****. Wrong-minded, yes, but not full of ****.
;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



asadi June 16th, 2008 03:57 AM

For my good friend, Ken
 

"salmobytes" wrote in message
. ..
Dave LaCourse wrote:


I spent 20 years in the Navy with blacks, some of them very dear
friends. There are other stories in my life concerning the N word,
but why should I repeat them? You wouldn't believe me, would you?
And the use of African American, or Black, or Negro, or Colored is but
a change in the way we address African Americans. It has nothing to
do with PC and everything to do with how you were brought up and your
own actions as an adult..

Dave


I do believe you Dave. I believe you hate the n-word the same way I do.
Which means you practice PC. That was my point.


Are you sure you are not confusing PC and non-bigot?

john



salmobytes[_5_] June 16th, 2008 01:26 PM

For my good friend, Ken
 
salmobytes wrote:
salmobytes wrote:

........Too much off topic stuff about the war.

This is pretty hot stuff. I still get smoke coming out of my ears
now, some 40 years later, when ever I think about it. And yet a lot
of readers managed to weigh in and say what they think without resorting
to flames and insults. That part was gratifying.
I respect Dave LaCourse. I don't agree with much he has to say
politically. But I do respect him (redneck mf that he is).


Tom Littleton June 17th, 2008 12:07 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 

wrote in message
...
Hmmm...to paraphrase Sol Wachtler, if a halfway decent prosecutor can
get an average grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, it would seem a
bunch of tubesteaks could impeach any President with nothing but
baloney...and as with most tubesteaks and bologna, one would be left
asking, "where's the beef...?"


that was my thinking.....sort of.

And lastly, there's the numerous potential dangers in it - for example,
if something particularly ugly had been found, but kept secret for
security reasons, can you imagine the backlash if the House attempted to
impeach and had their case totally destroyed? Or worse, suppose the
ranking/entitled members already know, yet allow something to move
forward?


Rick, you're overanalyzing here, I think.....still and all, there certainly
IS a track record for impeaching with a shaky, almost non-existent chance
for conviction. When all is said and done, though, any talk of impeachment 7
1/2 years into an 8 year term is political theater, and all concerned here
know it.
Tom



Tom Littleton June 17th, 2008 12:16 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 

wrote in message
...
Timmy my man!

Are you the usenet police again?
If so then go after those who post their politics on ROFF without an OT
'
Otherwise find something better to do than pull my chain


if there are Usenet rules of ANY type, number 1 might be:
Don't tell others what to do or not do. It's asking for trouble.



My posts do make a modicum of sense to many in the English speaking world



ahh, here's where the problem lies. You believe the above. Sadly, you are
mistaken. Many of your posts are nonsensical gibberish that either annoys,
insults or bores
those attempting to give you the respect required to read it. Sorry if that
statement cuts, but go back and call up your own posts and try to read them
cold.

But really behind all the words what I am saying loud and clear is ****
off!

Comprende hombre?
Es claro?


nice touch. Extra points for gibberish in more than one language!
Tom



[email protected] June 17th, 2008 01:13 AM

OT For my good friend, Ken
 
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:07:30 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
Hmmm...to paraphrase Sol Wachtler, if a halfway decent prosecutor can
get an average grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, it would seem a
bunch of tubesteaks could impeach any President with nothing but
baloney...and as with most tubesteaks and bologna, one would be left
asking, "where's the beef...?"


that was my thinking.....sort of.

And lastly, there's the numerous potential dangers in it - for example,
if something particularly ugly had been found, but kept secret for
security reasons, can you imagine the backlash if the House attempted to
impeach and had their case totally destroyed? Or worse, suppose the
ranking/entitled members already know, yet allow something to move
forward?


Rick, you're overanalyzing here, I think


Maybe, but see below...

.....still and all, there certainly
IS a track record for impeaching with a shaky, almost non-existent chance
for conviction. When all is said and done, though, any talk of impeachment 7
1/2 years into an 8 year term is political theater, and all concerned here
know it.


Talk of impeachment at any point in Bush's time in office thus far would
have been "political theater" (which is not the same thing as me
offering any opinion on Bush's Presidency beyond the evidence required
to impeach). But are you suggesting that most members of the House are
above political theater? I'd offer that if the Dems thought they had a
decent script, they'd have happily struck up the band and began singing
"Springtime for Hussein" (with all the Dem Reps doing the can-can,
forming a big spinning Scud launcher). Unfortunately for them, the
script they have would make "Showgirls Go To Ishtar" (A Bialystock/Bloom
Production, Directed by Roger De Brise) look like "To Kill A
Mockingbird."

TC,
R


Tom



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