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George Adams December 11th, 2003 03:25 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
From:

My last entry didn't work so I'll try again.

It would appear there is more than this that Mr. Perez is telling. It
seems that Tom Kirkman and Dick French both own rod building
magazines.


snip

Who are these people and why are they living in our basement?


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller


Tom Littleton December 11th, 2003 03:28 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
rodcrafter writes:
Since then Tom did allow Dick on his board at rodbuilding.org as a
sponsor but Dick kept badmouthing Tom and his magazine and so finally
Tom got fed up and kicked him off. So now Dick sends people in to
advertise for him.


what about Jane? And Spot? I love when they update those reading primers!
Thank you for the update. Remind me again why we are discussing,ad nauseum, a
rodbuilding board in a fly tying newsgroup?
Tom

Tom Littleton December 11th, 2003 03:32 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
oops. That should read "fly fishing" newsgroup. The point remains the same.
Online moderated boards and their issues don't seem to relate in any way to
this or any other newsgroups. It has been a fun ****ing match to watch, fwiw.
Thanks.
Tom

Tim Carter December 11th, 2003 03:50 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Bluestone" wrote in message
om...
Rodbuilding.org is not a public site. Somebody owns the name. Somebody
pays to have the site hosted, Somebody puts the time into keeping it
running. That person has signed no contract guaranteeing you any
services. That site owes you nothing.


~~~~The site owes the Rod Builder the chance to share ***within*** each
other,


Eh? I naively thought the rod building referred to fishing. This *really*
is OT.

that is why it was put there to begin with! public, "REALLY SOMEONE
OWNS IT"
My email isn't public and i do not own it, rodbuilding.org is for the
public Rod Builder, one doesn't need a password.


Since you obviously have no clue about property rights, maybe you should
talk to a lawyer about your theory that this board was somehow *put* in
existence for the public to do what it wishes. Maybe, just maybe, if you
actually listen, you might hear the sound of something making sense.

And hell, even truly public property has rules one must abide to.



Tim J. December 11th, 2003 03:57 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From:


My last entry didn't work so I'll try again.

It would appear there is more than this that Mr. Perez is telling. It
seems that Tom Kirkman and Dick French both own rod building
magazines.


snip

Who are these people and why are they living in our basement?


No kidding. I guess if you get bounced/moderated out of one group, you can
always go off and clutter up roff. You must admit, they are amusing pets.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



George Adams December 11th, 2003 04:03 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
From: "Tim J."

"George Adams"


Who are these people and why are they living in our basement?


No kidding. I guess if you get bounced/moderated out of one group, you can
always go off and clutter up roff. You must admit, they are amusing pets.


OK, but you're in charge of the litter box. G


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller


daytripper December 11th, 2003 04:08 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
On 10 Dec 2003 18:43:28 -0800, (rodcrafter1967)
wrote:

My last entry didn't work so I'll try again.

It would appear there is more than this that Mr. Perez is telling. It
seems that Tom Kirkman and Dick French both own rod building
magazines. Tom has Rodmaker Magazine and Dick has something called
Rodcrafter Journal So a few years back Dick French who I think is the
guy operating C&G had published or stated false circulation figures
for Tom's magazine. You would assume this was done in order to harm
the other publication and maybe drive advetisers away. So it then
appears that Tom had to take legal action to get Dick to print a
retraction and say he was wrong.

Since then Tom did allow Dick on his board at rodbuilding.org as a
sponsor but Dick kept badmouthing Tom and his magazine and so finally
Tom got fed up and kicked him off. So now Dick sends people in to
advertise for him. They get removed and you get people like Mr.Perez
upset and trying to do more harm to Tom.

I'm not taking sides here and no one likes to read others dirty
laundry but there is more to this story than Mr. Perez is telling. Tom
seems like he went out of his way to accomodate somebody who was
trying to do harm to his business and just finally said enough is
enough. Plus he does have rules there on his board that were violated.
What's the beef???

John


Aw, that's ****ah! I just love cloak and dagger espionage movies.
Don't anyone tell me how this one ends 'til we get there.

Then you can explain it to me...

/daytripper (you just can't make this stuff up! or can you? ;-)

[email protected] December 11th, 2003 04:22 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:04:06 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

.do people who are severely brain damaged
know that they are .......well, severely brain damaged?


No, they don't. There was an actual study some shrink type once did.
The more intelligent people are, the more likely they are to judge
their own intelligence and knowledge of a subject properly. The less
most often goof and adjudge themselves to be 'as good as anyone else.'
or to be superior to many people they are proven not to be.

Doesn't speak directly to your point, as he was studying intelligence
and testable knowledge in college students, but one (or at least this
one) can make the leap to from brain damage to IQ with little in the
way of pitfalls being a worry.

Now if we go to common sense, we've got a whole different thing going.
I've met some people on SSI who were so low IQ that it was astounding
they could dress themselves who showed a decent amount of common
sense. And we all know the converse. People of high IQ who think
that that's the whole story, so they must be making good decisions.
Or who are so immersed in their thoughts that they don't watch out for
traffic.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

[email protected] December 11th, 2003 04:39 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
On 10 Dec 2003 16:25:07 -0800, (Bluestone) wrote:

Rodbuilding.org is not a public site. Somebody owns the name. Somebody
pays to have the site hosted, Somebody puts the time into keeping it
running. That person has signed no contract guaranteeing you any
services. That site owes you nothing.


~~~~The site owes the Rod Builder the chance to share within each
other,
that is why it was put there to begin with! public, "REALLY SOMEONE
OWNS IT"
My email isn't public and i do not own it, rodbuilding.org is for the
public Rod Builder, one doesn't need a password.

You're kind of new to this Web and 'Net stuff, right?

Web is all private property. Just like someone's home or office. And
they can say what they will and will not allow there.

Should his users decide they don't want to play by his rules, he can
do anything he likes to censor them or remove them (electronically.
Physical removal from the world is under different laws.).

Disneyland is open to the public, but the public can't run around
advertising Warner Brothers items. Try selling some Warner Brothers
items sometime at Disneyland. Watch / feel the censorship happen
Notice how quickly the property line approaches and you find yourself
outside it. Possibly being charged with disorderly conduct or
something other thing that'll get the police to help them move you
along.

The 'Net is more truly public. On someone's Web page I probably
couldn't say, "**** you." On many 'public' Web pages, that would be
removed and very likely my use privileges would be, too. On the 'Net
I generally can say that. Of course whoever I say it to on the 'Net
can come back with things I'm far to ladylike to type. Or the whole
newsgroup could turn on me (I've seen it happen. Sometimes been
amused and sometimes saddened when it does.). But I'd be free to say
it.

Read the news.newusers group. Really.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

[email protected] December 11th, 2003 04:44 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:58:39 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:



Here, here! All I've been able to gather from this discourse is that SOMEONE
runs a moderated bulletin board and SOMEONE ELSE is ****ed because he moderated
it. Go figure.

And where's cyli? Isn't this her job? Or were elections held in my absence?


I've been trying to do it gently. It's only been going on a couple of
days, though it does seem longer.

No elections. They're sneaky that way. One day one just finds the
title has been awarded. I'm not sure but what I'd rather not have the
ducktail award, even though I don't feel I've earned that, either.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Mike Connor December 11th, 2003 12:18 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Wolfgang" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
SNIP
I am an inveterate reader. Some, among those who know me well, go so far

as
to say a compulsive, or obsessive reader. There are very few things that

I
have not read something about. There are very few questions that I have

not
seen addressed at one time or another, however well or poorly. And yet,
there is one nagging question that I have never seen, or heard, anyone

deal
with. I have always wondered.....do people who are severely brain damaged
know that they are .......well, severely brain damaged?


Well?


Wolfgang


Purely from personal experience, I would say that most do not. In most
cases they are incapable of making sensible comparisons. This also rather
depends on the damage of course. I know a number of people who suffered from
oxygen deprivation at birth. This resulted in various degrees of brain
damage, causing retardation, and in a number of cases, also loss of sensory
and motor functions, and also in a number of cases, actual physical damage
such as crippled hands, arms, etc.

For the most part, these people think they are normal. Those with physical
disabilities notice that they can not do a lot of things which other people
do, but at least some of them are apparently able to rationalise this to
themselves to some degree, although people with these physical disabilities
are usually far more "discontent", than those with purely mental problems.

Interesting to note also, that one is often quite unable to even discuss
some of these things rationally with those involved, as the "rational" part
of their consciousness is also invariably damaged. This often leads to them
wanting or expecting things far beyond their capabilities, or possibilities.
They of course do not see it so.

Apparently, many are quite simply unable to perceive that they are not
"normal". This is a most peculiar situation, and makes it very difficult to
work with such people, as "normal" argument, discussion, etc. is simply not
possible.

One gentleman I know quite well, who also works with such cases, advanced
the theory that there are perhaps similarities with people who are blind
from birth. They can not know what they can not see, and as a consequence,
not seeing is quite "normal" for them.

TL
MC




Jeff Miller December 11th, 2003 01:30 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
gawdam wolf...i can smell the cigarette smoke. can you mail me a pastie?

jeff (and, yes...i know my brain is severely damaged. drinking heavily
seems to help at times)

lid wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:04:06 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


.do people who are severely brain damaged
know that they are .......well, severely brain damaged?



No, they don't. There was an actual study some shrink type once did.
The more intelligent people are, the more likely they are to judge
their own intelligence and knowledge of a subject properly. The less
most often goof and adjudge themselves to be 'as good as anyone else.'
or to be superior to many people they are proven not to be.

Doesn't speak directly to your point, as he was studying intelligence
and testable knowledge in college students, but one (or at least this
one) can make the leap to from brain damage to IQ with little in the
way of pitfalls being a worry.

Now if we go to common sense, we've got a whole different thing going.
I've met some people on SSI who were so low IQ that it was astounding
they could dress themselves who showed a decent amount of common
sense. And we all know the converse. People of high IQ who think
that that's the whole story, so they must be making good decisions.
Or who are so immersed in their thoughts that they don't watch out for
traffic.



Jeff Miller December 11th, 2003 01:34 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 


George Adams wrote:


snip

Who are these people and why are they living in our basement?




very, very funny....a/k/a "hilarious". thank's for putting a grin on
the start of my day...

jeff (who takes his grins gratefully and wherever they may appear, as
the grimace is near bout everywhere i go these days)


Jeff Miller December 11th, 2003 01:37 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
jeez...the basement thing was good, now this... my day just gets
grinnin-er by the post. can't wait til the next one...

jeff

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Gingercatz wrote:

There is more to the story that what "Mr. Perez" is telling. ...



I'm gonna have to ask for some help with my scorecard here. This
"Mr. Perez", is he Bluestone aka bluestonerod ? And you, are you
Tom, or Mr. Howell, or the Skipper or Gilligan ?

In short, WHO IN THE HELL ARE ALL YOU MORONIC WHINY ASSHOLES and
why do you think we give a good goddamn about an obscure magazine
and an even more obscure tightassed bulletin board ?

Kindly take your puerile and petty little drama somewhere where
someone actually gives a ****.

Try alt.anonymous.whiners.with.stupid.screen.names

HTH



Jeff Miller December 11th, 2003 01:39 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
dammit...stop!! i'm nearing full belly chuckle...

Wolfgang wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
y.com...

Gingercatz wrote:


There is more to the story that what "Mr. Perez" is telling. ...


I'm gonna have to ask for some help with my scorecard here. This
"Mr. Perez", is he Bluestone aka bluestonerod ? And you, are you
Tom, or Mr. Howell, or the Skipper or Gilligan ?

In short, WHO IN THE HELL ARE ALL YOU MORONIC WHINY ASSHOLES and
why do you think we give a good goddamn about an obscure magazine
and an even more obscure tightassed bulletin board ?

Kindly take your puerile and petty little drama somewhere where
someone actually gives a ****.

Try alt.anonymous.whiners.with.stupid.screen.names

HTH

--
Ken Fortenberry



Oh, I don't know about all that. Seems to me it's that perspective thingy
again. I mean, yeah, if you work from the assumption that this is all being
done for our entertainment, then yes, it is a bit of a petty irritation. On
the other hand, if you assume that these halfwits are serious......not as
preposterous a proposition as it may first seem.......then it all becomes
vastly amusing. Um......think Snedeker with a vocabulary and a balanced
medication regimen. :)

Wolfgang




Jeff Miller December 11th, 2003 01:42 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 


Wolfgang wrote:



Sad, but probably true. Many a mutually rewarding relationship has been
utterly ruined by face to face encounter. :(

Wolfgang




ohgod...HAHAHA!!!!... IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT....HAHAHA!!!!... DAY!!!

jeff (laughin out loud is so...uh...medicinal.)


Gingercatz December 11th, 2003 02:38 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
2 observations

1. Gary Perez of Bluestone rod is ****ed because he got moderated or
edited on the rod board. The reason he posted it here is because he
thought he would get back at the board owner and maybe 'ruin' him by
virtue of public opinion. It would appear that he failed.

2. Any of you who aren't interested in this conversation and believe
the participants to be 'halfwits' make an interesting bunch of
halfwits yourself - why are you bothering to read and respond to
anything which you say you have no interest in? I think you actually
relish the 'drama.'

Tim J. December 11th, 2003 02:45 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Gingercatz" wrote...
2 observations


Oh, goody!

1. Gary Perez of Bluestone rod is ****ed because he got moderated or
edited on the rod board. The reason he posted it here is because he
thought he would get back at the board owner and maybe 'ruin' him by
virtue of public opinion. It would appear that he failed.

2. Any of you who aren't interested in this conversation and believe
the participants to be 'halfwits' make an interesting bunch of
halfwits yourself


Hmmmm. This smells of a previous thread. "I know you are, but what am I?"

- why are you bothering to read and respond to
anything which you say you have no interest in? I think you actually
relish the 'drama.'


No doubt about it, but there is a very fine line between comedy and drama. Us
roff-halfwits (and I DO speak for all of us) are just trying to point out that
you and your band of halfwits crossed this line some time ago and are rapidly
approaching slapstick. Hell, we LIVE for this stuff.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Russell December 11th, 2003 02:45 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
Gingercatz wrote:
I think you actually
relish the 'drama.'


New understatement of the year.



Mike Connor December 11th, 2003 05:13 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Gingercatz" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
om...
2 observations

1. Gary Perez of Bluestone rod is ****ed because he got moderated or
edited on the rod board. The reason he posted it here is because he
thought he would get back at the board owner and maybe 'ruin' him by
virtue of public opinion. It would appear that he failed.

2. Any of you who aren't interested in this conversation and believe
the participants to be 'halfwits' make an interesting bunch of
halfwits yourself - why are you bothering to read and respond to
anything which you say you have no interest in? I think you actually
relish the 'drama.'


A little comic relief is always welcome, no matter what the subject or
source. If you wish to construe that as "interest", well then you are
correct. If you actually read the responses to date, you will discover that
most people were merely trying to point out to dear old sapphire that he is
wasting his time posting this stuff here.

His reasons for doing so were quite obvious from the start, as were his
specious arguments. The effect on Mr.Kirkman will likely remain absolutely
zero, apart perhaps from some mild amusement on his part, as based on his
silly posts to date, nobody gives a **** what dear old sapphire has to say
about him. Not even Mr.Kirkman, as the motivation and absolutely ridiculous
basis for the posts is amply clear, and is set out very clearly in the posts
themselves.

Even supposing that everything old sapphire writes is the absolute and
unadorned truth, this by no means casts a slur on Mr. Kirkman, as he has the
perfect right to do anything he likes on his own board, and nobody with any
sense, either here or elsewhere, will disagree with that basic premise,
which our poor befuddled old sapphire apparently finds impossible to accept.

Our precious stone is obviously more than somewhat misguided regarding
"boards" specifically, and Usenet and the internet in general. He is not the
first, and he wont be the last.

For some, including myself, such behaviour is fascinating, as it gives
insight into abnormal thought processes, which are also based on faulty
reasoning. Observing such behaviour is perversely satisfying, possibly due
to its very abnormality.

The complete inability to grasp or accept obvious facts, although fairly
widespread, is not easy to observe in such glorious completeness. Here we
have a perfect example of it, not the first we have seen here, but
definitely
one of the more shining examples, and are suitably awed and curious as to
its
causes and effects. Indeed, some of us are driven to investigate even
further, in the, probably completely vain, hope of understanding how such a
thing is possible.

Practically the only way to give anybody here the impression that you are a
half-wit, is, to behave like one. In this case, all the relevant criteria
have been fulfilled.

Strange as it may seem, this newsgroup exists for no other purpose than
allowing people to read what others post. Deciding not to read some posts,
requires conscious effort, or action, and this is simply too much trouble to
take.
Many people here read every single post. Even the stupid ones. This even
provides a modicum of amusement on occasion.

Some dramas may benefit from having a large number of players. I donīt think
this one will.

TL
MC




Mu Young Lee December 11th, 2003 07:08 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 lid wrote:

Disneyland is open to the public, but the public can't run around
advertising Warner Brothers items [there].


If that doesn't help bluestonerod understand his situation nothing will.

Mu

George Adams December 11th, 2003 08:54 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
From: Mu Young Lee

If that doesn't help bluestonerod understand his situation nothing will.


Well, if that doesn't work, 'Tripper might still have the clue bat handy.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller


Mu Young Lee December 11th, 2003 09:49 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Tim J. wrote:

No doubt about it, but there is a very fine line between comedy and drama. Us
roff-halfwits (and I DO speak for all of us)


excuse me you ahlf-wit, but I am at least a high-grade moron by Goddard's
standards

Mu

Guyz-N-Flyz December 11th, 2003 10:59 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:as_Bb.5$F22.2@lakeread02...
jeff (who takes his grins gratefully and wherever they may appear, as
the grimace is near bout everywhere i go these days)



That's just 'cause you ain't fish with me lately!

Op --Who loves ya, baby!--



Wolfgang December 11th, 2003 11:01 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:go_Bb.4$F22.1@lakeread02...
gawdam wolf...i can smell the cigarette smoke. can you mail me a pastie?


Hell, I can do better than that.......I'll mail you a recipe......you can
open your own shop! :)

jeff (and, yes...i know my brain is severely damaged. drinking heavily
seems to help at times)


You know, it just occurred to me that that was a loaded
question........um......is there something you guys haven't been telling
me......something I might want to know.....if I could comprehend it, that
is? :(

Wolfgang
who is prepared to take solace in the fact that "severely" is highly
subjective.



Wolfgang December 11th, 2003 11:09 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:mv_Bb.6$F22.4@lakeread02...

jeez...the basement thing was good, now this... my day just gets
grinnin-er by the post. can't wait til the next one...


See why I LOVE crossposted threads? All those lovely ducks all sitting in a
row. :)

Wolfgang
disclaimer: no actual human beings were harmed in the posting of this
message.



Jeff Miller December 12th, 2003 01:04 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 


Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:as_Bb.5$F22.2@lakeread02...

jeff (who takes his grins gratefully and wherever they may appear, as
the grimace is near bout everywhere i go these days)




That's just 'cause you ain't fish with me lately!


so twue...


Op --Who loves ya, baby!--



careful... after that 16 hours we were together on the stream, some
folks might misunderstand and start callin us liberals or sumthin...


Jeff Miller December 12th, 2003 01:09 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

Mu Young Lee wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Tim J. wrote:

No doubt about it, but there is a very fine line between comedy and drama. Us
roff-halfwits (and I DO speak for all of us)



excuse me you ahlf-wit, but I am at least a high-grade moron by Goddard's
standards

Mu


i was once gonna write a play called "waiting for goddard", but that
fukker beckett went and **** in my garden.

jeff (who has only recently realized, because of a few meager posts in
this ether, he will never be appointed to that coveted superior court
judge's position)


Jeff Miller December 12th, 2003 01:16 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 


Wolfgang wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:mv_Bb.6$F22.4@lakeread02...


jeez...the basement thing was good, now this... my day just gets
grinnin-er by the post. can't wait til the next one...



See why I LOVE crossposted threads? All those lovely ducks all sitting in a
row. :)

Wolfgang
disclaimer: no actual human beings were harmed in the posting of this
message.


i know beyond any doubt that i will live at least 2 days beyond my
otherwise natural moment of "ceasing to be" simply because of the
happiness imparted by some of the things i have read here.

of course, i haven't factored in some of the other stuff that makes me
"bereft of life"...

but...hell...i think the grins are way ahead and it is christmas, after all.

jeff




Guyz-N-Flyz December 12th, 2003 01:23 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:Jy8Cb.1454$hf1.1435@lakeread06...
careful... after that 16 hours we were together on the stream, some
folks might misunderstand and start callin us liberals or sumthin...


It's the " or sumthin..." that scares me.

Op



Bluestone December 12th, 2003 01:37 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
(Tom Littleton) wrote in message ...
rodcrafter writes:
Since then Tom did allow Dick on his board at rodbuilding.org as a
sponsor but Dick kept badmouthing Tom and his magazine and so finally
Tom got fed up and kicked him off. So now Dick sends people in to
advertise for him.


~~~Actually i gave information about a psrt # for Renzetti and C&G
before you know it this will end up being about JFK
bluestonerod



what about Jane? And Spot? I love when they update those reading primers!
Thank you for the update. Remind me again why we are discussing,ad nauseum, a
rodbuilding board in a fly tying newsgroup?
Tom


Bluestone December 12th, 2003 01:42 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
"Wolfgang" wrote in message ...
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
y.com...
Gingercatz wrote:

There is more to the story that what "Mr. Perez" is telling. ...


I'm gonna have to ask for some help with my scorecard here. This
"Mr. Perez", is he Bluestone aka bluestonerod ? And you, are you
Tom, or Mr. Howell, or the Skipper or Gilligan ?

In short, WHO IN THE HELL ARE ALL YOU MORONIC WHINY ASSHOLES and
why do you think we give a good goddamn about an obscure magazine
and an even more obscure tightassed bulletin board ?

Kindly take your puerile and petty little drama somewhere where
someone actually gives a ****.

Try alt.anonymous.whiners.with.stupid.screen.names

HTH

--
Ken Fortenberry


Oh, I don't know about all that. Seems to me it's that perspective thingy
again. I mean, yeah, if you work from the assumption that this is all being
done for our entertainment, then yes, it is a bit of a petty irritation. On
the other hand, if you assume that these halfwits are serious......not as
preposterous a proposition as it may first seem.......then it all becomes
vastly amusing. Um......think Snedeker with a vocabulary and a balanced
medication regimen. :)

Wolfgang


~~~~~Wolfy, seek help.

Bluestone December 12th, 2003 01:43 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
Mu Young Lee wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0312111407280.24993@millipede. gpcc.itd.umich.edu...
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 lid wrote:

Disneyland is open to the public, but the public can't run around
advertising Warner Brothers items [there].


If that doesn't help bluestonerod understand his situation nothing will.

Mu


Lee, i'm glad your able to post your views here. carry on

bluestonerod

Wolfgang December 12th, 2003 03:10 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Bluestone" wrote in message
m...

~~~~~Wolfy, seek help.


Oh jeez, man, if you only knew! EVERYBODY in this fukkin place tells me to
get help. And EVERY time somebody says "get help", I go out and get some
more help. It's got to where I can't take a **** in the morning without
some damned helper asking me "Shall I shake, Sir?" I got helpers in my
bedroom.....I got helpers in the kitchen....I got helpers in the laundry
room.....****, I got so many fukkin helpers in the back of the van I can't
even hear Cokie Roberts on the liberal controlled media on the way to work
in the morning for all the fukkin helpers yammering in the back seat! I got
helpers so thick under the living room carpet it looks like some kinda
fukkin James Cameron movie on hallucinogens......the damned dog won't even
come in the house anymore!

Wolfgang
help this! :(



Wolfgang December 12th, 2003 03:15 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:VJ8Cb.1485$hf1.126@lakeread06...


Wolfgang wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:mv_Bb.6$F22.4@lakeread02...


jeez...the basement thing was good, now this... my day just gets
grinnin-er by the post. can't wait til the next one...



See why I LOVE crossposted threads? All those lovely ducks all sitting

in a
row. :)

Wolfgang
disclaimer: no actual human beings were harmed in the posting of this
message.


i know beyond any doubt that i will live at least 2 days beyond my
otherwise natural moment of "ceasing to be" simply because of the
happiness imparted by some of the things i have read here.

of course, i haven't factored in some of the other stuff that makes me
"bereft of life"...


Yeah, it's pretty much a horse apiece.....ya got yer good karma.....and then
ya step in some soft stuff what don't smell so good.

but...hell...i think the grins are way ahead and it is christmas, after

all.

Well, yeah, there is that. But, it IS a bit early to be saying Merry
Christmas and all that, so I think I'll hold off for just now.
Um.....remind me in a couple of weeks though, o.k.? :)

Wolfgang



Kevin Vang December 12th, 2003 04:31 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
In article jD8Cb.1472$hf1.325@lakeread06, d

jeff (who has only recently realized, because of a few meager posts in
this ether, he will never be appointed to that coveted superior court
judge's position)



Ever read Ed Zern's story about how to get appointed to the
Supreme Court?

Kevin

Jeff Miller December 12th, 2003 09:03 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 


Kevin Vang wrote:


Ever read Ed Zern's story about how to get appointed to the
Supreme Court?


nope...but i'm interested in all angles. do tell...

jeff


Charlie Choc December 12th, 2003 11:17 AM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:03:29 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote:



Kevin Vang wrote:


Ever read Ed Zern's story about how to get appointed to the
Supreme Court?


nope...but i'm interested in all angles. do tell...

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/lighterside/part13.html
--
Charlie...

Kevin Vang December 12th, 2003 02:54 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
In article , hugh_jass_90211
lid says...
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:03:29 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote:



Kevin Vang wrote:


Ever read Ed Zern's story about how to get appointed to the
Supreme Court?


nope...but i'm interested in all angles. do tell...

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/lighterside/part13.html



That's the one!

Kevin,
who never woulda thought to look online for it.

Jeff December 12th, 2003 03:12 PM

TOM KIRKMAN, RODBUILDING.ORG BB, MY DECEMBER 1,2003 POST, ETHICS
 
excellent...thanks!

jeff

Kevin Vang wrote:
In article , hugh_jass_90211
lid says...

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:03:29 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote:



Kevin Vang wrote:


Ever read Ed Zern's story about how to get appointed to the
Supreme Court?


nope...but i'm interested in all angles. do tell...


http://www.flyanglersonline.com/lighterside/part13.html




That's the one!

Kevin,
who never woulda thought to look online for it.




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