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Peaceful Bill wrote in news:wepWk.12247
:

What's the date on that letter from the gov?

Bush declared a state of emerggency on 27 Aug. Hurricane didn't hit
N.O. until 29 Aug. So how could Bush or anyone else know the extent of
the devastation along the coast?

You're getting a bit circular. There was a claim that the local folks
didn't authorize a federal role. The State of Emergency was declared in
reponse to the letter I cited above, and was sufficient to allow the feds
to take whatever actions they wanted in response to the emergency.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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riverman wrote:
On Nov 24, 11:31 am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
Scott Seidman wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in
m:
When did the Governor and Nagin the incompetant mayor ask for Federal
help? The Fed's could not go in without an invitation. Seems as if
part of the Constitution and laws were followedInvestigation of State
of Emergency declaration
WIKPEDIA
In a September 26, 2005 hearing, former FEMA chief Michael Brown
testified before a U.S. House subcommittee about FEMA's response. During
that hearing, Representative Stephen Buyer (R-IN) inquired as to why
president Bush's declaration of state of emergency of August 27 had not
included the coastal parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines.[16]
(In fact, the declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal
parishes, whereas the coastal counties were included in the declarations
for Mississippi[17] and Alabama.[18]) Brown testified that this was
because Louisiana Governor Blanco had not included those parishes in her
initial request for aid, a decision that he found "shocking." After the
hearing, though, Blanco released a copy of her letter, which requested
assistance for "all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans
Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern
parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting [evacuated
citizens]."[19]
What's the date on that letter from the gov?

Bush declared a state of emerggency on 27 Aug. Hurricane didn't hit
N.O. until 29 Aug. So how could Bush or anyone else know the extent of
the devastation along the coast?

So, with the possible exception of a few southern parishes (though that's
up in the air), the Feds were CLEARLY allowed to move in after Aug 27.
Nothing ambiguous about that.
Move in for what? Why move in when you're gonna get pounded and flooded
with the likely loss of whatever aid was brought in?

You're just regurgitating more partisan arguments. There was no way to
anticipate the N.O. disaster much less prepare for it. If it had been a
Democrat pres, it would only classified as a natural disaster of
unpredicted magnitude. One that nobody had foreseen.

But since it was Bush, it was the worst failure in history. And Only
because it was Bush.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You gotta keep your story straight, Bill. First you insist that Bush
was not asked to go in on time, so the fault lie with Nagin, et al,
for delaying their request for help:

Now you change your story and say there's no way he could have known
the extent of the damage because the request came too early.

Face it: Bush not only mismanaged a whole lot of things during his
tenure, the people he hired (and as a result, he was indirectly
responsible for their actions) also mismanaged a whole lot of things.
And now, to compound things, you are taking on his mantle of crying
"its not my fault!!" Last I saw, he even commissioned a full-length TV
movie to show how the mismanagment of bad Intel was 'not his fault'.

Well guess what; it WAS his fault. The response to Katrina happened
under his watch. The misguided invasion was under his watch. The
economic collapse was under his watch. The largest federal deficit in
the history of mankind was under his watch. And that's just the tip of
the iceberg.

And its not a matter of being 'partisan'....incompetence is not the
same as partisan politics. But of course, Bush (and Rove) were good at
covering their mismanagements up by claiming that opposition folks
were just being 'partisan'. Or "Liberals". Well guess what: try to
write revisionist history all you want...Bush's legacy is written
already.

--riverman

You didn't answer the question. What dat6e did the La. gov ask the Feds
to come in?

(And your posts are extremely partisan.)

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Scott Seidman wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote in news:wepWk.12247
:

What's the date on that letter from the gov?

Bush declared a state of emerggency on 27 Aug. Hurricane didn't hit
N.O. until 29 Aug. So how could Bush or anyone else know the extent of
the devastation along the coast?

You're getting a bit circular. There was a claim that the local folks
didn't authorize a federal role. The State of Emergency was declared in
reponse to the letter I cited above, and was sufficient to allow the feds
to take whatever actions they wanted in response to the emergency.


Not circular at all. What date was the letter?

If before the hurricane, how could the governor assess the magnitude of
the disaster before it hit? How could she have pinpointed the parishes
that were hardest hit?

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Peaceful Bill wrote:
snip
(And your posts are extremely partisan.)

And so it starts. The right-wing nitwits launch their ridiculous
brand of revisionism as a pre-emptive strike against historic
ridicule. Shrub lied us into a disastrous war, tarnished American
prestige with torture, sat idly by as New Orleans drowned, screwed
the Justice Department with political shenanigans, censored science
and let the financial market spiral so far out of control we have
a worldwide crisis of unprecedented proportion. But other than that
he was a pretty good president. LOL !!

Mr. Jelly, you are one stupid moron, a laughably ignorant, hard core
partisan from the far right wing. Enjoy your stay in the political
wilderness, dumbass idiots like you are history.

Buh bye.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Don Quixote, waving his sword at windmills and ****ting through his
fingers wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
snip
(And your posts are extremely partisan.)

And so it starts. The right-wing nitwits launch their ridiculous
brand of revisionism as a pre-emptive strike against historic
ridicule. Shrub lied us into a disastrous war,

Prove he lied. So far nobody can do that.

tarnished American
prestige with torture,

In your opinion and the opinion of his opponents. But not in the
opinion of all the courts.

BTW, I don't agree that those prisoners should have been kept jailed.
They should have been deported to Israel or Turkey.


sat idly by as New Orleans drowned,

Yeah, he seeded the clouds and personally blew up the levees. Used
Chaney's black helicopters to aim the storm right at N.O.

You're a complete imbecile.

screwed
the Justice Department with political shenanigans,

But that kind of action was OK under the previous administrations of
Clinton, Bush 1, and esapecially Carter who cleaned out the FBI every
time any of their investigations started to implicate him or his family.

censored science

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

and let the financial market spiral so far out of control we have
a worldwide crisis of unprecedented proportion.

He certainly inherited a mortgage crisis in its infancy and didn't do
anything about it. But the economic problems were already in place 10
months BEFORE he was sworn in. He just didn't do much about them.


But other than that
he was a pretty good president. LOL !!


No, I didn't say that. As usual, you're putting your own descriptions
in and attributing them to someone else.



Mr. Jelly, you are one stupid moron, a laughably ignorant, hard core
partisan from the far right wing. Enjoy your stay in the political
wilderness, dumbass idiots like you are history.

Buh bye.


Clearly not as partisan as you (who can't make a truly objective
assessment.)

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Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
And so it starts. The right-wing nitwits launch their ridiculous
brand of revisionism as a pre-emptive strike against historic
ridicule. Shrub lied us into a disastrous war,

Prove he lied. So far nobody can do that.

Did Saddam Hussein have anything to with 9-11 ? No. Was
Saddam Hussein's government conspiring with Al Qaeda ? No.
Did Saddam Hussein posses WMD's which could be a threat to
the US ? No. Did Saddam Hussein pose any threat at all to
the US ? No. Bush lied and only a partisan nitwit could
claim otherwise.

tarnished American
prestige with torture,

In your opinion and the opinion of his opponents. But not in the
opinion of all the courts.

Gawd, you're an idiot. Courts don't issue opinions on American
prestige, you ****ing moron.

sat idly by as New Orleans drowned,

Yeah, he seeded the clouds ...

No nitwit, he sat idly by after the storm when his government
should have been there to help.

screwed
the Justice Department with political shenanigans,

But that kind of action was OK under the previous administrations of
Clinton, ...

BWAHAHAHAHA !! You right-wing nitwit dimbulbs are so predictable
it's hilarious.

censored science

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

You think that's *funny* ? Man, you're dumber than you look and
I wouldn't have thought that possible.

and let the financial market spiral so far out of control we have
a worldwide crisis of unprecedented proportion.

He certainly inherited a mortgage crisis in its infancy and didn't do
anything about it. But the economic problems were already in place 10
months BEFORE he was sworn in. He just didn't do much about them.

There you go again, it's all Clinton's fault. Hilarious, well
mostly it's pathetic but there's no sense looking backwards so
let's just go with hilarious.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Obama's gone and done it
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
And so it starts. The right-wing nitwits launch their ridiculous
brand of revisionism as a pre-emptive strike against historic
ridicule. Shrub lied us into a disastrous war,

Prove he lied. So far nobody can do that.

Did Saddam Hussein have anything to with 9-11 ? No. Was
Saddam Hussein's government conspiring with Al Qaeda ? No.
Did Saddam Hussein posses WMD's which could be a threat to
the US ? No. Did Saddam Hussein pose any threat at all to
the US ? No. Bush lied and only a partisan nitwit could
claim otherwise.

But you supply no proof of ANY of your statements. How do you know
Hussein was not part of any of that?



tarnished American
prestige with torture,

In your opinion and the opinion of his opponents. But not in the
opinion of all the courts.

Gawd, you're an idiot. Courts don't issue opinions on American
prestige, you ****ing moron.

Gawd, you're an idiot. Courts do issue opinions on whether treatment of
prisoners or interrogation techniques are torture.

You're a ****ing moromn.


sat idly by as New Orleans drowned,

Yeah, he seeded the clouds ...

No nitwit, he sat idly by after the storm when his government
should have been there to help.


What date did the governor of La. send the letter requesting aid?


screwed
the Justice Department with political shenanigans,

But that kind of action was OK under the previous administrations of
Clinton, ...

BWAHAHAHAHA !! You right-wing nitwit dimbulbs are so predictable
it's hilarious.


You left-wingnuts are all alike. Just spin history whatever way you want.


censored science

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

You think that's *funny* ? Man, you're dumber than you look and
I wouldn't have thought that possible.

and let the financial market spiral so far out of control we have
a worldwide crisis of unprecedented proportion.

He certainly inherited a mortgage crisis in its infancy and didn't do
anything about it. But the economic problems were already in place 10
months BEFORE he was sworn in. He just didn't do much about them.

There you go again, it's all Clinton's fault. Hilarious, well
mostly it's pathetic but there's no sense looking backwards so
let's just go with hilarious.


Did I say its all Clinton's fault or is that you having problems with
comprehension again. But don't look backwards more than 8 years. That
way you can deny that there were ANY problems under Clinton's watch.

Obama's gone and done it
 

Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
And so it starts. The right-wing nitwits launch their ridiculous
brand of revisionism as a pre-emptive strike against historic
ridicule. Shrub lied us into a disastrous war,

Prove he lied. So far nobody can do that.

Did Saddam Hussein have anything to with 9-11 ? No. Was
Saddam Hussein's government conspiring with Al Qaeda ? No.
Did Saddam Hussein posses WMD's which could be a threat to
the US ? No. Did Saddam Hussein pose any threat at all to
the US ? No. Bush lied and only a partisan nitwit could
claim otherwise.

But you supply no proof of ANY of your statements. How do you know
Hussein was not part of any of that? ...

You're just too, too stupid. Like most right-wing nitwits
you're an uneducated, incurious, ill-informed dupe who will
swallow whatever lies and nonsense you're spoon fed by the
Roves and Limbaughs of the GOP.

It is fortunate for our country that more of our citizens are
getting liberal arts educations and learning critical thinking
skills than ever before. The days of the uneducated, old, white
blue collar, grade school grad having great influence in our
politics are thankfully coming to a close. It's a new day
dumbass, change is coming and you aren't a part of it.

Toodle-oo.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Obama's gone and done it
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
And so it starts. The right-wing nitwits launch their ridiculous
brand of revisionism as a pre-emptive strike against historic
ridicule. Shrub lied us into a disastrous war,

Prove he lied. So far nobody can do that.

Did Saddam Hussein have anything to with 9-11 ? No. Was
Saddam Hussein's government conspiring with Al Qaeda ? No.
Did Saddam Hussein posses WMD's which could be a threat to
the US ? No. Did Saddam Hussein pose any threat at all to
the US ? No. Bush lied and only a partisan nitwit could
claim otherwise.

But you supply no proof of ANY of your statements. How do you know
Hussein was not part of any of that? ...

You're just too, too stupid. Like most right-wing nitwits
you're an uneducated, incurious, ill-informed dupe who will
swallow whatever lies and nonsense you're spoon fed by the
Roves and Limbaughs of the GOP.

It is fortunate for our country that more of our citizens are
getting liberal arts educations and learning critical thinking
skills than ever before. The days of the uneducated, old, white
blue collar, grade school grad having great influence in our
politics are thankfully coming to a close. It's a new day
dumbass, change is coming and you aren't a part of it.

Toodle-oo.

You can't hope to intelligently answer the questions.

You're a ****ing liar and a dimwit that defends his actions not by logic
but by personal attacks. You're the worst thing about liberals. You
make mainstream America hate the left. Your way or the highway.

Imbecile.

You poor self-absorbed, misguided wretch. In all seriousness, get some
health to overcome those numerous mental problems that are obviously too
deep and complex for normal treatment.

Obama's gone and done it
 

Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
And so it starts. The right-wing nitwits launch their ridiculous
brand of revisionism as a pre-emptive strike against historic
ridicule. Shrub lied us into a disastrous war,

Prove he lied. So far nobody can do that.

Did Saddam Hussein have anything to with 9-11 ? No. Was
Saddam Hussein's government conspiring with Al Qaeda ? No.
Did Saddam Hussein posses WMD's which could be a threat to
the US ? No. Did Saddam Hussein pose any threat at all to
the US ? No. Bush lied and only a partisan nitwit could
claim otherwise.

But you supply no proof of ANY of your statements. How do you know
Hussein was not part of any of that? ...

You're just too, too stupid. Like most right-wing nitwits
you're an uneducated, incurious, ill-informed dupe who will
swallow whatever lies and nonsense you're spoon fed by the
Roves and Limbaughs of the GOP.

It is fortunate for our country that more of our citizens are
getting liberal arts educations and learning critical thinking
skills than ever before. The days of the uneducated, old, white
blue collar, grade school grad having great influence in our
politics are thankfully coming to a close. It's a new day
dumbass, change is coming and you aren't a part of it.

Toodle-oo.

You can't hope to intelligently answer the questions.

The questions you pose have been answered definitively and
intelligently. The fact that you still question those answers
in the face of overwhelming evidence indicates a profound
lack of intellect. In other words, you're stupid. There is
really no way to sugarcoat it.

You are obviously a person of limited education which would
explain your ignorance but ignorance can be cured. Unfortunately
you are also and just as obviously stupid and I'm afraid stupid
is terminal. Too bad for you, but I hope you enjoy your daily
dose of Limbaugh, I'm sure it makes you all warm and fuzzy. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken "Don Quixote" Fortenberry went on an insane and irrational rant that
ended up getting snipped:



Get counseling. Seriously. You're quite disturbed and need all the
help and meds you can get.

For my part, this track of the thread is finished. You'll get the last
word because the voices in your head force you to. But I won't bother
to read it.

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On Nov 24, 2:42*pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
Prove he lied. *So far nobody can do that.

This is likely to be my one and only post for you, so I'll type
slowly. I am of the expectation that the President of the United
States, if he is even moderately competent, has access to and takes
seriously *all* of the available intelligence on any given topic of
global importance. That is to say, if he makes the statement that the
"intelligence indicates" something, that implies to me that he has
seen all of the relevant intelligence or at least a comprehensive
summary thereof, and he is willing to stake his veracity on the next
words that come out of his mouth. Based on that perspective, I offer
the following:

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent." - State of the Union Address, 1/28/2003

"U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000
munitions capable of delivering chemical agents." - State of the
Union Address, 1/28/2003

"We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing
fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to
disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas." - State
of the Union Address, 1/28/2003

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and
statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids
and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida." - State of
the Union Address, 1/28/2003

"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to
purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons
production." - State of the Union Address, 1/28/2003

"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at
[past nuclear] sites." - Bush speech to the nation, 10/7/2002

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently
sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." - State of the
Union Address, 1/28/2003

"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let
them in." - Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003


Now, in some cases above, one might weasel that Bush merely asserted
what he believed the intelligence said; but we now know that Bush knew
that there was substantial intelligence counter to his military
aspirations; but he ignored, obfuscated, or outright lied about what
the "intelligence indicated".

A great deal of Bush's lies follow a similar scenario; it's not so
much what he said as what he intended for us to believe. He lied.

Obama's gone and done it
 

Peaceful Bill wrote:
Ken Fortenberry snipped:

Get counseling. ...

Yeah, yeah, you resent Obama supporters because we think we're
smarter than you. Well guess what, we *are* smarter than you.

Here's a factoid for you, Mr. Jelly:

Vote by Income

$200,000 or More - Obama 52% McCain 46%

So not only are we smarter than you, we make more money than you.

LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

Yeah, yeah, you resent Obama supporters because we think we're
smarter than you. Well guess what, we *are* smarter than you.

Here's a factoid for you, Mr. Jelly:

Vote by Income

$200,000 or More - Obama 52% McCain 46%

So not only are we smarter than you, we make more money than you.

LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Irony meter \................!/ .

Claiming superiority in intelligence while using atrociously faulty logic.
Your conclusion reached from that factoid is virtually in the same league as
"Dogs have 4 legs, therefore all animals with 4 legs are dogs." Not quite
as apparent, but close.

Bob Weinberger


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Yeah, yeah, you resent Obama supporters because we think we're
smarter than you. Well guess what, we *are* smarter than you.

Here's a factoid for you, Mr. Jelly:

Vote by Income

$200,000 or More - Obama 52% McCain 46%

So not only are we smarter than you, we make more money than you.

LOL !!

Irony meter \................!/ .

Claiming superiority in intelligence while using atrociously faulty logic.
Your conclusion reached from that factoid is virtually in the same league as
"Dogs have 4 legs, therefore all animals with 4 legs are dogs." Not quite
as apparent, but close.

Yeah, I know that there are a few dozen McCain supporters who make
more money than Croesus, Zeus and all the Obama supporters combined
but I dumbed down the rhetoric to suit the audience. Call it poetic
license. And I did add the LOL !!

Now why don't you go swiftboat somebody.

Obama's gone and done it
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

Yeah, I know that there are a few dozen McCain supporters who make
more money than Croesus, Zeus and all the Obama supporters combined
but I dumbed down the rhetoric to suit the audience. Call it poetic
license. And I did add the LOL !!


Nice rationalization to cover the flaw in your "superior intelligence"
claim. BTW its interesting that by implication you included yourself in the
high income group with the statement "we make more money than you". I hade
no idea that librarians make over $200,000/yr (your wife). Its unlikely that
you, as an unemployed computer weenie, bring much income to the household.

Bob Weinberger


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Yeah, I know that there are a few dozen McCain supporters who make
more money than Croesus, Zeus and all the Obama supporters combined
but I dumbed down the rhetoric to suit the audience. Call it poetic
license. And I did add the LOL !!

Nice rationalization to cover the flaw in your "superior intelligence"
claim. BTW its interesting that by implication you included yourself in the
high income group with the statement "we make more money than you". I hade
no idea that librarians make over $200,000/yr (your wife).

The only "we" including myself in that statement was in relation to
Obama supporters. Reading anything else into that is fairly typical
of your predisposition to lie, distort and mischaracterize. In other
words, once a swiftboater always a swiftboater. On the other hand,
you might be surprised at what a director of a statewide consortium
of academic libraries in Illinois earns per annum. But by law her
salary is a part of the public record if you want to look it up.

Its unlikely that
you, as an unemployed computer weenie, bring much income to the household.

Highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
The only "we" including myself in that statement was in relation to
Obama supporters. Reading anything else into that is fairly typical
of your predisposition to lie, distort and mischaracterize. In other
words, once a swiftboater always a swiftboater. On the other hand,
you might be surprised at what a director of a statewide consortium
of academic libraries in Illinois earns per annum. But by law her
salary is a part of the public record if you want to look it up.

Its unlikely that you, as an unemployed computer weenie, bring much
income to the household.

Highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

--
Ken Fortenberry

WOW another shining example of your superior intelligence. Yes my saying
that your stating that "...we make more money than you." IMPLIES that you
are including yourself in the group that makes the big bucks is an
absolutely outstanding example of my predisposition to lying, distorting,
and micharacterization. LOL. BTW if your wife is Executive Director of
CARLI, yes that's a decent salary, but still not sufficient to categorically
state that "...we make more money than you."

Bob Weinberger


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Obama's gone and done it
 

Bob Weinberger wrote:
... Yes my saying
that your stating that "...we make more money than you." IMPLIES that you
are including yourself in the group that makes the big bucks is an
absolutely outstanding example of my predisposition to lying, distorting,
and micharacterization. ...

Excellent, confession they say is good for the soul. And, finally
we've found common ground.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Obama's gone and done it
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Bob Weinberger wrote:
... Yes my saying that your stating that "...we make more money than
you." IMPLIES that you are including yourself in the group that makes
the big bucks is an absolutely outstanding example of my predisposition
to lying, distorting, and micharacterization. ...

Excellent, confession they say is good for the soul. And, finally
we've found common ground.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Well if if I believed you were being serious with that statement rather than
just continuing to proudly uphold your status as an asshole, it would
confirm that those of you who hold themselves to be smarter than most are
seriously deluding themselves and just don't get sarcasm.


Bob Weinberger


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Obama's gone and done it
 

Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Bob Weinberger wrote:
... Yes my saying that your stating that "...we make more money than
you." IMPLIES that you are including yourself in the group that makes
the big bucks is an absolutely outstanding example of my predisposition
to lying, distorting, and micharacterization. ...
Excellent, confession they say is good for the soul. And, finally
we've found common ground.

Well if if I believed you were being serious with that statement rather than
just continuing to proudly uphold your status as an asshole, it would
confirm that those of you who hold themselves to be smarter than most are
seriously deluding themselves and just don't get sarcasm.

Yeah, it's awfully hard to recognize sarcasm when it comes from
swiftboaters. I mean you guys have to practice lying to be that
damn good at it, don't you ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Obama's gone and done it
 

On Nov 24, 11:26*pm, Peaceful Bill
wrote:


You didn't answer the question. *What dat6e did the La. gov ask the Feds
to come in?


Fair enough. According to cnn.com (http://tinyurl.com/5pd8rd) and
factcheck.org (http://tinyurl.com/6peqf5) it was on Aug 27, two days
before Katrina hit.

My questions to you:
1) When was the White House and FEMA notified that a hurricane of this
intensity could cause this level of destruction? (and as a
supplement, what did FEMA do about it in advance to prepare the city
for a hurricane of this intensity?)
2) When did FEMA learn of the people stranded in the Convention
Center?
3) When did FEMA learn that the levees had been breached?
4) When did FEMA actually send assistance in?

--riverman
(Who wishes he could be generous enough to claim your posts are merely
partisan.)

Obama's gone and done it
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Bob Weinberger wrote:
... Yes my saying that your stating that "...we make more money than
you." IMPLIES that you are including yourself in the group that makes
the big bucks is an absolutely outstanding example of my predisposition
to lying, distorting, and micharacterization. ...

Excellent, confession they say is good for the soul. And, finally
we've found common ground.

--
Ken Fortenberry

George Soros has more money than most Republicans. So that shoots your
statement full of holes to start with.

Obama's gone and done it
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

Yeah, it's awfully hard to recognize sarcasm when it comes from
swiftboaters. I mean you guys have to practice lying to be that
damn good at it, don't you ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Oh, lets see if we can follow the logic of your "superior intelligence".

1. You assume that I am a liar (though I defy you to find even one instance
where I oughtright lied. You can find instances where I admitted that my
rememberance of things that happened 30+years ago may be colored by my
disdain for a certain politician, but no instances of outright lying. On the
other hand I can easily find at least one instance where you outright lied
and, despite ample evidence from many sources that you lied, you continue to
repeat that lie.)

2. I make a sarcastic statement , that despite you considering me to be a
liar, you readily accept at face value as a true statement, thus not
recognizing it as sarcasm. After all in the view of you smarter than average
types (at least in your own minds), if the statement happens to fit your
narrow view of the world it must be the truth, even if it comes from someone
you consider to be an inveterate liar.

Yeah that's an excellent example of the flawless logic of "superior
intelligence". And in case you didn't get it that last sentence was
sarcastic.

Bob Weinberger


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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Yeah, it's awfully hard to recognize sarcasm when it comes from
swiftboaters. I mean you guys have to practice lying to be that
damn good at it, don't you ?

Oh, lets see if we can follow the logic of your "superior intelligence".

1. You assume that I am a liar (though I defy you to find even one instance
where I oughtright lied. You can find instances where I admitted that my
rememberance of things that happened 30+years ago may be colored by my
disdain for a certain politician, but no instances of outright lying.

Instances of colored remembrance ? Oh that's good, real good.
Obviously the work of a practiced prevaricator. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

Instances of colored remembrance ? Oh that's good, real good.
Obviously the work of a practiced prevaricator. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Well as you are the resident expert on prevarication and the practice
thereof, and a shining example of proper application of logic, I guess I
will have to accept your astute analysis and retire from the field bloodied
but unbowed. BTW, feel free to interpret the foregoing as your "superior
intellect" allows.

Bob Weinberger


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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Instances of colored remembrance ? Oh that's good, real good.
Obviously the work of a practiced prevaricator. LOL !!

Well as you are the resident expert on prevarication and the practice
thereof, and a shining example of proper application of logic, I guess I
will have to accept your astute analysis and retire from the field bloodied
but unbowed.

Your first mistake was in assuming that I was attempting to make
a logical argument. I clearly was not. The facts are the facts,
Obama supporters are better educated and more affluent than the
McCain voters. If you're looking for logic you'll have to supply
your own, my posts to Mr. Jelly on that subject were more of the
"neener, neener, neener" variety than attempts at logical discourse.
You knew that, of course, you were just being a prick.

BTW, feel free to interpret the foregoing as your "superior
intellect" allows.

Obama won and it just frosts your ass. And you're still smarting
because I caught you lying through your teeth and called you and
your swiftboat pals a despicable cancer on our body politic. But
it doesn't take a lot of "intellect" to figure that out.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Nov 20, 10:24*am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
SNIP

You are just one of those folks who cannot admit you've made a
mistake. Here we've got one damn mess and instead of adapting, bozos
like you keep ****ing into the wind, searching and stretching common
sense and twisting new info in some pathetic and endless insistence
that you were right all along and isn't it just like you say it is.

Fact is after a while I avoid folks with your hangup. If I somehow
need a fix of mule-brain I can always dial up Rush or that other
paragon of under-education and duncedom, Glenn whatis. But I will have
to agree with Scott, this last exercise of your's in arguing nonsense
as a recompense for being 100% off the mark regarding history,
Presidential politics, economics etc.. is definitely plonk-able
enough. You remind me of a lawyer wanna-be friend of mine who would
argue every position of an issue just for the hell of it. like it was
as entertaining for others as it was for him. Kinda like the
masterbating zoo monkey.

There are several folks here who I radically disagree with, some who
also advance some of the same bankrupt nonsense as yourself, but their
contributions on the fishing side and on the comradeship side
constitute a worthwhile package of a person. You may be a great guy
in person, but until you come up with some fishing content to balance
out your bull****, I will resist responding to your stuff. Plonk.

Dave
And I will focus more on the fishing side of ROFF

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

Obama won and it just frosts your ass. And you're still smarting
because I caught you lying through your teeth and called you and
your swiftboat pals a despicable cancer on our body politic. But
it doesn't take a lot of "intellect" to figure that out.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No, it no more frosts my ass that Obama won, than if McCain had won. As I
stated earlier, I think that though Obama has a very thin resume, he is
marginally likely to be a better president than McCain would have been. I
frankly supported neither of them. I pray for Obama's welfare because the
thought of Biden as President scares me almost as much as the thought of
Pallin in that position would have.

As for my Swiftboat pals, yes acouple of my exshipmates and pals did serve
with Swiftboats. One earned a Bronze star while on the ship I served with
him and went on to earn a Silver Star while commanding a squadron of
Swiftboats. The other had command of an LST in the Delta that served as a
Swiftboat base. Both served in those capacities during the time Kerry was in
Nam. Both are lifelong Democratic voters. While neither had any specific
memories of events concerning Kerry, neither supported or had anything good
to say about him, and both remembered him as a glory hound who made no
secret of the fact that he was using his service as a vehicle follow in John
Kennedy's footsteps.

Despite my disdain for Kerry I said nothing about him during the campaign
because as much as I disliked him, I thought Bush would make a terrible
president. It was only after he lost, and it became apparent how bad Bush
really was and partisans like you tried to make Kerry out to be a saint,
that I spoke out. It seems that blind partisans like yourself cannot fathom
the concept that just because someone doesn't support one candidate, they
support the other.

your final sentence: that's probably a good thing in your case.

Bob Weinberger


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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Obama won and it just frosts your ass. And you're still smarting
because I caught you lying through your teeth and called you and
your swiftboat pals a despicable cancer on our body politic. But
it doesn't take a lot of "intellect" to figure that out.
...
Despite my disdain for Kerry I said nothing about him during the campaign
because as much as I disliked him, I thought Bush would make a terrible
president. It was only after he lost, and it became apparent how bad Bush
really was and partisans like you tried to make Kerry out to be a saint,
that I spoke out. It seems that blind partisans like yourself cannot fathom
the concept that just because someone doesn't support one candidate, they
support the other.

That's revisionist crap. Nobody tried to make Kerry out to be a
saint but he didn't deserve, and the country didn't deserve, the
lies, smears and garbage spewed by your well-heeled swiftboat pals.
And you *continue* to spew the same old lies despite being caught
in the act of lying. It wasn't but a few weeks ago you were still
prattling on about Kerry dishonoring a uniform. And *that* is a
ridiculous, stupid lie. There's more "honor" in a big, stinking
pile of John Kerry's **** than in all the ****ing swiftboaters
combined. And as for blind partisanship, I'd say the same damn
thing if a group of scumbags tried to smear John McCain's military
service.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
snip

. There's more "honor" in a big, stinking
pile of John Kerry's **** than in all the ****ing swiftboaters
combined.
Snip

Ken Fortenberry

Yeah, I guess that statements like the above don't quite reach the level of
cannonization.

Bob Weinberger



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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
I'd say the same damn
thing if a group of scumbags tried to smear John McCain's military
service.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Actually many did (including some in ROFF)but you were silent on that issue.
Though because they supported your cause, I guess that you didn't consider
them scumbags.

Bob Weinberger


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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
There's more "honor" in a big, stinking
pile of John Kerry's **** than in all the ****ing swiftboaters
combined.
Snip

Yeah, I guess that statements like the above don't quite reach the level of
cannonization.

That wasn't canonizing Kerry, that was insulting swiftboaters.
You could substitute a big, stinking pile of my own **** and
that too would have more "honor" than all the swiftboaters
combined.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

That wasn't canonizing Kerry, that was insulting swiftboaters.
You could substitute a big, stinking pile of my own **** and
that too would have more "honor" than all the swiftboaters
combined.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Yeah, I guess its some solace to you that your **** tries to make up for
your own deficiencies ;).

Bob Weinberger


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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
That wasn't canonizing Kerry, that was insulting swiftboaters.
You could substitute a big, stinking pile of my own **** and
that too would have more "honor" than all the swiftboaters
combined.

Yeah, I guess its some solace to you that your **** tries to make up for
your own deficiencies ;).

At least my ****, unlike your own, doesn't find its way to roff. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

At least my ****, unlike your own, doesn't find its way to roff. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry


Lie detector \..............................!/ .

BTW a few posts back you stated "And as for blind partisanship, I'd say the
same damn thing if a group of scumbags tried to smear John McCain's military
service." That is an outright lie. Many (including several right here on
roff ) did exactly that, while your silence in response was deafening. But,
in your defense, I guess that, because they shared your blind partisanship,
you didn't consider them scumbags.

Bob Weinberger


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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
At least my ****, unlike your own, doesn't find its way to roff. ;-)

Lie detector \..............................!/ .

BTW a few posts back you stated "And as for blind partisanship, I'd say the
same damn thing if a group of scumbags tried to smear John McCain's military
service." That is an outright lie. Many (including several right here on
roff ) did exactly that, while your silence in response was deafening.

I don't recall any smears of McCain's military service being posted
to roff. Did someone accuse McCain of being a traitor or a glory
hound or of calling his dress whites a polyester leisure suit from
the '70's ? You know, dishonoring his uniform ? If so, I don't recall
it. There were some questions raised about his competence as a pilot
since he wrecked more than his fair share of airplanes but I don't
recall any smears.

But,
in your defense, I guess that, because they shared your blind partisanship,
you didn't consider them scumbags.

If anybody lied about McCain's military service on roff then they
are scumbags and I was remiss in not saying so, but I don't recall
that happening.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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DaveS wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:24 am, Peaceful Bill
wrote:
SNIP

You are just one of those folks who cannot admit you've made a
mistake. Here we've got one damn mess and instead of adapting, bozos
like you keep ****ing into the wind, searching and stretching common
sense and twisting new info in some pathetic and endless insistence
that you were right all along and isn't it just like you say it is.


Did I ever say that Bush made no mistakes? That Bush is the greatest
president in the history of the U.S.? What I have said is that some of
his mistakes were blown out of proportion and that he gets the blame for
problems created either 1 outside his control, or 2 before he took
office. Bush made some serious blunders. No doubt. Many of the
problems (particularly economic) that we have today were created during
previous administrations (not just Clinton), Bush just didn't take
action to fix them. And that is inexcusable.


[snip of lines of even more ideological disagreement accompanied with demeaning comparisons and stereotyping]


There are several folks here who I radically disagree with, some who
also advance some of the same bankrupt nonsense as yourself, but their
contributions on the fishing side and on the comradeship side
constitute a worthwhile package of a person. You may be a great guy
in person, but until you come up with some fishing content to balance
out your bull****, I will resist responding to your stuff. Plonk.

Dave
And I will focus more on the fishing side of ROFF

Admit I was wrong? Let's look at some of the outrageous statements made
that you seem to find OK:

"Bush drowned a city."

Bush had nothing to do with drowning a city. The levee broke during a
hurricane. That's what drowned N.O. There was a slow response from
FEMA. That does seem to be Bush's responsibility. But he did not bomb
the levee.

"Bush lost an American city."

See above. The city was flooded. Bush did not flood N.O.

"Bush lied."

If that were so, he would have been impeached. And if he did, so did
every one of his predecessors. Was he the worst? Hell, no. Try
Johnson. So why is Bush singled out for this? Ideology.

"Bush is the worst president in history"

Well, that is highly subjective, but its hard to ignore the MASSIVE
failings and corruption under Carter. IMO, Carter holds that position
until someone dethrones him. And even in his worst of days, Bush is not
even close to Carter. More like somewhere between Johnson and Nixon.

"Bankrupt nonsense"

Another ideologically inspired comment as much as if I would say the
same about liberal ideals.


All these exaggerated accusations are simply partisan mush from those
who are ideologically opposed to Bush. I expect to read the same kind
of partisan criticisms about Obama. In fact, its already out there and
he hasn't even taken office yet.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not here to say that Bush was a great
president. Far from it. He was not good at all. But he was not the
worst.


I have posted flyfishing info. You seem to ignore that. I haven't had
as much time fishing as I would have liked. My job, before retirement,
kept me on the road a lot more than I would have preferred, but I still
got out a few times a year (mostly Alaska). I am hoping to increase
on-water time in the future.