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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:49:08 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message .. . Aw, well, you know us sausage scions, we presume as to the meat of the matter... TC, R .....that, and the fact that no one likes seeing the stuff made, are all one really needs to know about sausages. Ah, yes...transparency, but only so much of it...you know, opacity...behind a black-out curtain... Sheesh, R ....and for extra credit, cite a coupla-three "outsiders" above the rank of Junior Deputy Assistant to the Junior Assistant Deputy that Da Messiah has named thus far.... HTH, R Tom |
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On Feb 5, 6:37*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... wrote: ... *The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. *Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... wrote: ... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. You would prefer a USSR managed economy, or a China type from your writings. As to torture, they are both good at that. As well as real torture of killing the prisoners. Where am I saying to torture Daschle? He is a tax cheat! You seem to feel cheating on taxes is ok. You a politician? I do not care what he did with his money, he did a job and got paid. Legally in this country the job he did required him to register as a lobbyist. So he also broke that law. I feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay the penalty. The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. They can serve as a good example. As to stupid, you take the prize. |
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On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .. . wrote: ... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners. Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize. You donīt have the slightest idea what I would prefer, but that doesn't stop you posting a load of total bull**** on the matter. There is no reason to assume you know any more about the political claptrap you are posting. You already won the prize for being stupid, you elected Bush, and let him railroad you into a lot of trouble. Alexis de Tocqueville said, in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve". .... so what does that say about you? You got the newsgroup you deserve as well, a load of total ****e. Who are you going to put in prison for that? |
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On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .. . wrote: ... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners. Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize. Oh, and I'm not a politician, I'm an angler, for whom this group was created. Not for a load of lily livered bull****ters, assholes, and dumbos. |
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On Feb 5, 10:16*am, wrote:
On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message .... On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .. . wrote: ... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners. Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize. You donīt have the slightest idea what I would prefer, but that doesn't stop you posting a load of total bull**** on the matter. There is no reason to assume you know any more about the political claptrap you are posting. You already won the prize for being stupid, you elected Bush, and let him railroad you into a lot of trouble. Alexis de Tocqueville said, in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve". .... so what does that say about you? You got the newsgroup you deserve as well, a load of total ****e. Who are you going to put in prison for that? Just in case you have no idea who he is, which is not unlikely, considering the absolutely abysmal level of education some of you display with obvious pride; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville He had you mediocre idiots pegged in 1835. |
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On Feb 5, 9:12*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .. . wrote: ... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? *Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. *Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. *You would prefer a USSR managed economy, or a China type from your writings. *As to torture, they are both good at that. * As well as real torture of killing the prisoners. Where am I saying to torture Daschle? *He is a tax cheat! *You seem to feel cheating on taxes is ok. *You a politician? *I do not care what he did with his money, he did a job and got paid. *Legally in this country the job he did required him to register as a lobbyist. *So he also broke that law. *I feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay the penalty. *The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. *They can serve as a good example. *As to stupid, you take the prize. Oh, and another relatively minor point dumbo, the USSR was dissolved in 1991. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union If you and your idiot compatriots here were a little less ethnocentric, and a good deal less stupid, you might be aware of such things. As it is..................... I donīt suppose you know much about China either. |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 9:12 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .. . wrote: ... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. You would prefer a USSR managed economy, or a China type from your writings. As to torture, they are both good at that. As well as real torture of killing the prisoners. Where am I saying to torture Daschle? He is a tax cheat! You seem to feel cheating on taxes is ok. You a politician? I do not care what he did with his money, he did a job and got paid. Legally in this country the job he did required him to register as a lobbyist. So he also broke that law. I feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay the penalty. The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. They can serve as a good example. As to stupid, you take the prize. You donīt have the slightest idea what I would prefer, but that doesn't stop you posting a load of total bull**** on the matter. There is no reason to assume you know any more about the political claptrap you are posting. You already won the prize for being stupid, you elected Bush, and let him railroad you into a lot of trouble. Alexis de Tocqueville said, in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve". .... so what does that say about you? You got the newsgroup you deserve as well, a load of total ****e. Who are you going to put in prison for that? Dip****s like you? plonk! |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. ... Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. The law should be the same for everyone. I screwed up my taxes one year, a $13K mistake that the IRS caught. Contrary to conventional wisdom the IRS was a joy to work with. They were polite, understanding and accommodating. I paid off my error, plus interest, over two years and criminal prosecution was never even mentioned. Mr. Snipes and the Survivor guy must have tried to cheat. Daschle and me, we screwed up. Big difference. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Feb 5, 8:42*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 9:12 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message .... On Feb 5, 6:37 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .. . wrote: ... The whole idea that supposedly responsible people such as Geithner, Daschle, etc., etc., have folks making excuses for them (and are making excuses themselves) on stuff like taxes and the like is ridiculous and IMO, a large part of the problem. The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. Where is the line between, "borrow my car when you're in town" and "this is salary, here's a W-2, don't forget to change the oil" ? The bigger problem is that Daschle earned $5 million influence peddling two days after being ousted from the Senate. And he wasn't even a lobbyist. I don't know how to fix that "problem". I think Daschle is eminently qualified to be health czar, probably one of the most qualified people in the country. In some ways lobbyists get a bad rap. The Sierra Club hires a lobbyist and I hope they hire a good one and pay whatever a good one costs. What is lobbying other than having a voice ? The problem as I see it is Republican lobbyists. We ought to allow lobbying only for liberals and not fat cat Republicans. That'll fix it. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. Why not torture him a bit to find out what he did with the money, what tax tricks he knows, and then imprison him without trial? Maybe overseas so you can claim he is outside your law? Seems you lot are pretty good at that. You never learn much it seems. Your and similar philosophies have plunged much of the world into chaos, financial and otherwise, and still you dumbos come along advocating all sorts of crazy, illegal, and generally contemptible ****e. Seems you have no shame at all either. ANYBODY who condones or supports the majority of the ****e that goes down on this newsgroup is not only an idiot, but already basically a criminal. In a few cases, they obviously only lack the means top do far worse things than spout ****e on a public newsgroup. You political system is an even bigger joke than your portrayal of it here, and your arrogance and stupidity is simply breathtaking. I wonder if you even realise how many people are waiting to see the USA go right down the pipe, quite apart from those, including some here, and of course elsewhere, who are actively working towards it? Looks like you are not a fan of free markets. You would prefer a USSR managed economy, or a China type from your writings. As to torture, they are both good at that. As well as real torture of killing the prisoners.. Where am I saying to torture Daschle? He is a tax cheat! You seem to feel cheating on taxes is ok. You a politician? I do not care what he did with his money, he did a job and got paid. Legally in this country the job he did required him to register as a lobbyist. So he also broke that law. I feel that people should not cheat on taxes, and if they do they should pay the penalty. The penalty should be greater for elected leaders. They can serve as a good example. As to stupid, you take the prize. You donīt have the slightest idea what I would prefer, but that doesn't stop you posting a load of total bull**** on the matter. There is no reason to assume you know any more about the political claptrap you are posting. You already won the prize for being stupid, you elected Bush, and let him railroad you into a lot of trouble. Alexis de Tocqueville said, in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve". .... so what does that say about you? You got the newsgroup you deserve as well, a load of total ****e. Who are you going to put in prison for that? Dip****s like you? *plonk! Now there's a surprise. |
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On Feb 5, 3:05*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: I screwed up my taxes one year, a $13K mistake that the IRS caught. Contrary to conventional wisdom the IRS was a joy to work with. They were polite, understanding and accommodating. I paid off my error, plus interest, over two years and criminal prosecution was never even mentioned. +1 here. My error was less significant, but I did face a disheartening sum owed. As with your experience, everyone I dealt with at IRS were quite pleasant and helpful. (I'll stop a bit short of "joy", however.) In that I know how easy it is for even a smart guy to overlook something, I'm a bit surprised that having a lily white past with the IRS is the new litmus test for public service. Joe F. |
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On Feb 5, 3:05*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. ... Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. *Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. The law should be the same for everyone. I screwed up my taxes one year, a $13K mistake that the IRS caught. Contrary to conventional wisdom the IRS was a joy to work with. They were polite, understanding and accommodating. I paid off my error, plus interest, over two years and criminal prosecution was never even mentioned. Mr. Snipes and the Survivor guy must have tried to cheat. Daschle and me, we screwed up. Big difference. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Mr. Snipes and the Survivor guy must have tried to cheat. Daschle and me, we screwed up. Big difference. .....and Willie was just plain stoned. Tom |
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"rb608" wrote in message ... I'm a bit surprised that having a lily white past with the IRS is the new litmus test for public service. It's not merely the errors, it's the not paying up until you hit the limelight part. As you both must have noticed, as did I when I made an error, the IRS is pretty prompt to alert you about the issue. I too, found them completely cooperative, but then again, I paid up readily, when asked. Tom |
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On Feb 5, 5:29*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
It's not merely the errors, it's the not paying up until you hit the limelight part. That certainly applies to Daschle, but I've heard others have been "in trouble" because they (or even their spouses) have owed the IRS some minor dough. Speaking for myself, once I was notified of the amount owed, it still took me years to pay the full amount due. I have a lot of empathy for folks in a similar situation. Joe F. |
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"rb608" wrote in message ... That certainly applies to Daschle, but I've heard others have been "in trouble" because they (or even their spouses) have owed the IRS some minor dough. Certainly, that one woman with a $900 tax lien for some local tax falls into that catagory. Still, this is politics, and appearances count for a lot. Tom |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:29:30 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: "rb608" wrote in message ... I'm a bit surprised that having a lily white past with the IRS is the new litmus test for public service. It's not merely the errors, it's the not paying up until you hit the limelight part. As you both must have noticed, as did I when I made an error, the IRS is pretty prompt to alert you about the issue. I too, found them completely cooperative, but then again, I paid up readily, when asked. Tom Seems like Obama's choice for Labor Sec is also having some tax problems - well, to be more correct, her husband owed money on a tax lein, but just paid it off when she was selected as a candidate for the office. Who is doing the vetting of these people? Good ol' J.F. Kerry also had some tax problems concerning some free cars he received from a Buick dealer on the North Shore. Seems he "forgot" to claim the free use of the cars for several years, and also "forgot" to report the free use of a friend's townhouse in Boston. That was the year he claimed $300 to charity on his tax return. I know, I know, it's not just a Dem problem. I say let every state have 1 Senator and a maximum of 5 Reps. Kick the rest out. It would save a helluva lot of money and require the remaining *******s to actually to some work. Also, as it now stands (thanks to Jimmy Carter, I believe), all you need to do is serve one term and you get retirement/privileges for the rest of your life. The military, the rest of government, and most of the private sector require at least 20 years of service before you get retirement. I don't believe that the framers of our Constitution meant for the lawyers/farmers/merchants serving in Congress to be professional politicians. Corruption, cheating, stealing, influence peddling are bound to happen when someone serves in Congress for most, if not all, of their adult life. The power that these people yield is unbelievable, AND worth lots of money. Many of them have been in positions that would have led to jail for the rest of us. Vehicular homicide by Ted Kennedy comes to mind, as well as the recent tax problems, sex scandals, etc. I don't mean this as a slam, but so far, I am not impressed with Obama. He seems to be allowing Pelosi and Reed to do their normal spending without addressing such things as banks/loan institutions, housing, and unemployment. Instead the socalled Stimulous Package seems to be nothing more than a lot of pork. Dave |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Seems like Obama's choice for Labor Sec is also having some tax problems - well, to be more correct, her husband owed money on a tax lein, but just paid it off when she was selected as a candidate for the office. I never have had much interest in the spouse's problems in past, similar situations. Personally, I am not going to start getting worked up now. I don't mean this as a slam, but so far, I am not impressed with Obama. He seems to be allowing Pelosi and Reed to do their normal spending without addressing such things as banks/loan institutions, housing, and unemployment. Instead the socalled Stimulous Package seems to be nothing more than a lot of pork. I concur about part of that. So far, Obama is bending over backward to be 'bipartisan' and 'cooperative', and he was elected to bring radical change. He needs to take the gloves off, and start riding herd on some folks(Pelosi, Reid and many on the GOP side). Folks gave him the political capital, now he needs to use it. As for any stimulus package, you are going to be able to point to various projects as pork, but certainly, the final bill looks like it will attempt to address housing, try to stimulate job growth and also keep a lot of businesses afloat. Whether it will work, or be enough, or in time, is a guess at best. As to addressing the financial community, there is an example of where Obama might well exercise less universally popular, decisive actions. Time will tell. Tom |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: The taxes don't bother me much. The tax code *is* complicated and byzantine. ... Personally I think Daschle should be the next prison inmate. Wesley Snipes gets 3 years for failing to cough up taxes, the Survivor guy getss 4 years. A former Congressman should be held to a higher standard. The law should be the same for everyone. I screwed up my taxes one year, a $13K mistake that the IRS caught. Contrary to conventional wisdom the IRS was a joy to work with. They were polite, understanding and accommodating. I paid off my error, plus interest, over two years and criminal prosecution was never even mentioned. Mr. Snipes and the Survivor guy must have tried to cheat. Daschle and me, we screwed up. Big difference. -- Ken Fortenberry You screwed up and worked with the IRS. Daschle did not even try to pay up until the appointment. As to working with the IRS, not always sensible. I got tagged for underpayment of estimated taxes. $230 penalty. I paid an extreme lot more that year than I ever paid before, and they took 28% of the options money before I even saw any of it. They waive the penalty in this case if you retire. The underpayment was not supposed to be for cases where you paid more than the year before. So sometimes it is OK in working with the IRS, others not. I can a letter about undocumented mortgage deduction. They were good to work with on that as was the interest on an RV loan. Told them what it was and they said OK, and corrected the paperwork. As to equal under the law. Yes, but a former elected official, who makes $5,000,000 for 2 years in consulting fees, and has his taxes done, should not make $100,000++ mistakes. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: I screwed up my taxes one year, ... You screwed up and worked with the IRS. Daschle did not even try to pay up until the appointment. ... The IRS told me of my error. Daschle told the IRS of his error. And he payed up. No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned. But of course it doesn't play that way on the news. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
... As for any stimulus package, you are going to be able to point to various projects as pork, but certainly, the final bill looks like it will attempt to address housing, try to stimulate job growth and also keep a lot of businesses afloat. Whether it will work, or be enough, or in time, is a guess at best. As to addressing the financial community, there is an example of where Obama might well exercise less universally popular, decisive actions. Time will tell. It's a given in our political system that all spending bills come out of the House. The stimulus package was put together by House Dems. Now it moves to the Senate where they will translate it from the crayon to an actual typewritten package. If Obama is half the leader I believe him to be the final version will make sense. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:26:21 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: I screwed up my taxes one year, ... You screwed up and worked with the IRS. Daschle did not even try to pay up until the appointment. ... The IRS told me of my error. Daschle told the IRS of his error. Er, no. And how do you explain the unreported income, hinkey charitable contributions, his personal auto misreporting, etc.? Or did you not realize that the limo and driver "perq" wasn't the only thing on which he got nailed? And he payed up. Yeah, when he was all but forced to do so. No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned. Then you are so partisan as to be ridiculous. But of course it doesn't play that way on the news. Actually, "the news" has somewhat soft-pedaled it. HTH, R |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:04:15 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Really ? I wouldn't know, I don't have access to "the news" from your home planet. Man, you really have turned into a one trick pony. Is it your meds, Ken, or what? You've changed, and I don't like what I see. Dave |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:04:15 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: The IRS told me of my error. Daschle told the IRS of his error. Er, no. ... Well, all the reports I've seen on this planet say that Daschle self-reported his tax errors. Ah...I had no idea that the Plutonian News Network got its feed from the DNC... No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned. Then you are so partisan as to be ridiculous. I fully admit to being a partisan Democrat. What's ridiculous to me is the partisans who deny that they're partisan. But of course it doesn't play that way on the news. Actually, "the news" has somewhat soft-pedaled it. Really ? I wouldn't know, I don't have access to "the news" from your home planet. Well, when you fly back on your magic carpet ride from Pluto, do a little looksee into the news here on Earth... HTH (or however you say it Klingon...), R |
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On Feb 6, 4:48*am, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:04:15 -0600, Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: The IRS told me of my error. Daschle told the IRS of his error. Er, no. *... Well, all the reports I've seen on this planet say that Daschle self-reported his tax errors. Ah...I had no idea that the Plutonian News Network got its feed from the DNC... No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned. Then you are so partisan as to be ridiculous. I fully admit to being a partisan Democrat. What's ridiculous to me is the partisans who deny that they're partisan. But of course it doesn't play that way on the news. Actually, "the news" has somewhat soft-pedaled it. Really ? I wouldn't know, I don't have access to "the news" from your home planet. Well, when you fly back on your magic carpet ride from Pluto, do a little looksee into the news here on Earth... HTH (or however you say it Klingon...), R http://translate.klingonreference.com/ |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:29:30 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote: "rb608" wrote in message ... I'm a bit surprised that having a lily white past with the IRS is the new litmus test for public service. It's not merely the errors, it's the not paying up until you hit the limelight part. As you both must have noticed, as did I when I made an error, the IRS is pretty prompt to alert you about the issue. I too, found them completely cooperative, but then again, I paid up readily, when asked. Tom Seems like Obama's choice for Labor Sec is also having some tax problems - well, to be more correct, her husband owed money on a tax lein, but just paid it off when she was selected as a candidate for the office. Who is doing the vetting of these people? Good ol' J.F. Kerry also had some tax problems concerning some free cars he received from a Buick dealer on the North Shore. Seems he "forgot" to claim the free use of the cars for several years, and also "forgot" to report the free use of a friend's townhouse in Boston. That was the year he claimed $300 to charity on his tax return. I know, I know, it's not just a Dem problem. I say let every state have 1 Senator and a maximum of 5 Reps. Kick the rest out. It would save a helluva lot of money and require the remaining *******s to actually to some work. Also, as it now stands (thanks to Jimmy Carter, I believe), all you need to do is serve one term and you get retirement/privileges for the rest of your life. The military, the rest of government, and most of the private sector require at least 20 years of service before you get retirement. I don't believe that the framers of our Constitution meant for the lawyers/farmers/merchants serving in Congress to be professional politicians. Corruption, cheating, stealing, influence peddling are bound to happen when someone serves in Congress for most, if not all, of their adult life. The power that these people yield is unbelievable, AND worth lots of money. Many of them have been in positions that would have led to jail for the rest of us. Vehicular homicide by Ted Kennedy comes to mind, as well as the recent tax problems, sex scandals, etc. I don't mean this as a slam, but so far, I am not impressed with Obama. He seems to be allowing Pelosi and Reed to do their normal spending without addressing such things as banks/loan institutions, housing, and unemployment. Instead the socalled Stimulous Package seems to be nothing more than a lot of pork. Dave uh...that separation of powers thing...why do you think Obama controls anyone in Congress? He's doing his job, and he's done it in a commendable and bipartisan manner. I'm satisfied with his efforts. I have mixed feelings about the stimulus...of course, i don't recall the hue and cry when the last administration created this mess with it's ridiculous tax rebates and its squandering of budget surplus in a phony war. jeff |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:30:09 -0500, jeff wrote:
I have mixed feelings about the stimulus... Yeah, me, too - I can't decide whether it's stupid, moronic, or idiotic... of course, i don't recall the hue and cry when the last administration created this mess Probably for the same reason you don't recall the celebrations when the last administration put men on Pluto - because it didn't happen...Forty excepted, of course, but Kenny done did that hisownself... with it's ridiculous tax rebates Uh, you think tax rebates created the current economic cycle...? and its squandering of budget surplus in a phony war. Or any of the current wars? But hey, even it did create the current cycle, fair's fair - a phony surplus on a phony war...well, except that for a "phony" war, lots of folks seem to be really dead and injured... TC, R jeff |
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On Feb 4, 10:05*pm, wrote:
Um...iis the soap tax-deductible...? To the extent that it is used in a medicinal content and the total medicinal expenditures in the Dean household exceed 7% of AGI, yes |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: The IRS told me of my error. Daschle told the IRS of his error. Er, no. ... Well, all the reports I've seen on this planet say that Daschle self-reported his tax errors. No harm no foul as far as I'm concerned. Then you are so partisan as to be ridiculous. I fully admit to being a partisan Democrat. What's ridiculous to me is the partisans who deny that they're partisan. But of course it doesn't play that way on the news. Actually, "the news" has somewhat soft-pedaled it. Really ? I wouldn't know, I don't have access to "the news" from your home planet. -- Ken Fortenberry Seems like the partisan's here see no evil, hear no evil from their side of the aisle. I am a registered Democrat and did not vote for Bush or Kerry or Gore. They are all so bad I voted Libertarian. And what we have for a stimulus bill is mostly pork. Extreme pork. A 900 page bill that no one that is voting on it has read, or understands. That will not stimulate and will cost my great grandchildren gobs of money for the sins of my generation and childrens generation. |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Tom Littleton wrote: ... As for any stimulus package, you are going to be able to point to various projects as pork, but certainly, the final bill looks like it will attempt to address housing, try to stimulate job growth and also keep a lot of businesses afloat. Whether it will work, or be enough, or in time, is a guess at best. As to addressing the financial community, there is an example of where Obama might well exercise less universally popular, decisive actions. Time will tell. It's a given in our political system that all spending bills come out of the House. The stimulus package was put together by House Dems. Now it moves to the Senate where they will translate it from the crayon to an actual typewritten package. If Obama is half the leader I believe him to be the final version will make sense. -- Ken Fortenberry I have seen no leadership from the messiah. He is supporting the bill as it came out of the House. very little stimulation and gobs of cost. |
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"jeff" wrote in message . .. Dave LaCourse wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:29:30 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote: "rb608" wrote in message ... I'm a bit surprised that having a lily white past with the IRS is the new litmus test for public service. It's not merely the errors, it's the not paying up until you hit the limelight part. As you both must have noticed, as did I when I made an error, the IRS is pretty prompt to alert you about the issue. I too, found them completely cooperative, but then again, I paid up readily, when asked. Tom Seems like Obama's choice for Labor Sec is also having some tax problems - well, to be more correct, her husband owed money on a tax lein, but just paid it off when she was selected as a candidate for the office. Who is doing the vetting of these people? Good ol' J.F. Kerry also had some tax problems concerning some free cars he received from a Buick dealer on the North Shore. Seems he "forgot" to claim the free use of the cars for several years, and also "forgot" to report the free use of a friend's townhouse in Boston. That was the year he claimed $300 to charity on his tax return. I know, I know, it's not just a Dem problem. I say let every state have 1 Senator and a maximum of 5 Reps. Kick the rest out. It would save a helluva lot of money and require the remaining *******s to actually to some work. Also, as it now stands (thanks to Jimmy Carter, I believe), all you need to do is serve one term and you get retirement/privileges for the rest of your life. The military, the rest of government, and most of the private sector require at least 20 years of service before you get retirement. I don't believe that the framers of our Constitution meant for the lawyers/farmers/merchants serving in Congress to be professional politicians. Corruption, cheating, stealing, influence peddling are bound to happen when someone serves in Congress for most, if not all, of their adult life. The power that these people yield is unbelievable, AND worth lots of money. Many of them have been in positions that would have led to jail for the rest of us. Vehicular homicide by Ted Kennedy comes to mind, as well as the recent tax problems, sex scandals, etc. I don't mean this as a slam, but so far, I am not impressed with Obama. He seems to be allowing Pelosi and Reed to do their normal spending without addressing such things as banks/loan institutions, housing, and unemployment. Instead the socalled Stimulous Package seems to be nothing more than a lot of pork. Dave uh...that separation of powers thing...why do you think Obama controls anyone in Congress? He's doing his job, and he's done it in a commendable and bipartisan manner. I'm satisfied with his efforts. I have mixed feelings about the stimulus...of course, i don't recall the hue and cry when the last administration created this mess with it's ridiculous tax rebates and its squandering of budget surplus in a phony war. jeff Most of the "surplus money" was already going away in the dot.com bubble bursting and the bad part is Congress (and states, especially California) put in permanent spending programs with the bubble of income. As to Middle East War, how much has it really cost? Excess cost to the normal cost of the military. A hell of a lot less than the Congress has increased spending in the last 8 year. And the last stimulus bill, that accomplished no stimulus was also written by a Democrat controlled Congress. We should toss 99.9% of the Congress Critters out the door, and maybe into jail. Without 100% pay lifetime pensions for spending 4 years in office. |
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"jeff" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:30:09 -0500, jeff wrote: I have mixed feelings about the stimulus... Yeah, me, too - I can't decide whether it's stupid, moronic, or idiotic... my mixed feelings have nothing to do with the absolute need for government action, but rather the nature and details of the action that is absolutely necessary. i frankly do not see how we can cut taxes and increase government spending. of course, i don't recall the hue and cry when the last administration created this mess Probably for the same reason you don't recall the celebrations when the last administration put men on Pluto - because it didn't happen...Forty excepted, of course, but Kenny done did that hisownself... so, if there had been no war in iraq and if the govt had kept the two rebates...what? how much money would the government have had available? with it's ridiculous tax rebates Uh, you think tax rebates created the current economic cycle...? no...i think it was unnecessary, did nothing to help the economy, and wasted valuable resources that could have been used to rebuild and create jobs. it depleted govt funds for no good governmental purpose and served no good public purpose...imo. snipped jeff How about government cutting the excess spending? Lots of the liquidity problems are the Government(s) excess borrowing. Takes lots of loan money for private people and business out of circulation. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... How about government cutting the excess spending? what, exactly, do you consider 'excess' spending?? Hell, the vast majority of the budget is for defense spending and established programs such as Medicare, Social Security and the like. Lots of the liquidity problems are the Government(s) excess borrowing. Takes lots of loan money for private people and business out of circulation. um, not really, but I am not going to waste 3 pages explaining it to you. Look it up. Finally, do you(and others) understand: the principle behind an 'economic stimulus' is SPENDING by the government. Now, you can choose to disagree with the principle or theory behind that, but that is what it is. As for jeff's concerns, I share them, but realize that we are facing a situation far more dire than jacking up a federal deficit. Layoff levels of 1/2 million souls per month will lead to a commercial collapse(and thus commercial real estate/commercial loan collapse) that, if nothing else, will make folks forget about the housing loan mess pretty quick, as there is far more dubious paper out there on commercial real estate than there was on housing, I suspect. If something doesn't stabilize both employment levels and public confidence, and very quickly, an ugly downturn could easily become something much worse, IMO. Tom |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... I have seen no leadership from the messiah. He is supporting the bill as it came out of the House. very little stimulation and gobs of cost. actually, exactly wrong, Bill. Obama is quietly supporting the version that is being re-written in the Senate, and urging the House to go along without re-tinkering with it. And, based on the economics experts, the balance of the Senate compromise fit the mold of what is needed. The only questions seemingly remaining a 1) will this approach work, or be timely enough and 2) is it large enough? Many feel, given the current rate of job loss and business losses, a package of double this size is needed. Tom |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Tom Littleton wrote: ... As for any stimulus package, you are going to be able to point to various projects as pork, but certainly, the final bill looks like it will attempt to address housing, try to stimulate job growth and also keep a lot of businesses afloat. Whether it will work, or be enough, or in time, is a guess at best. As to addressing the financial community, there is an example of where Obama might well exercise less universally popular, decisive actions. Time will tell. It's a given in our political system that all spending bills come out of the House. The stimulus package was put together by House Dems. Now it moves to the Senate where they will translate it from the crayon to an actual typewritten package. If Obama is half the leader I believe him to be the final version will make sense. -- Ken Fortenberry I have seen no leadership from the messiah. He is supporting the bill as it came out of the House. very little stimulation and gobs of cost. you are wrong...in fact, his efforts have been to find an acceptable bill that will work. even republican moderates have extolled his efforts. the extremists, and those with an agenda, on both sides of the aisle have been the problem he's tried to deal with. i think there is an urgency many of us haven't felt yet...but i think the view of almost every seasoned economist suggests we need quick action and most approve of the president's goal. herding cats aint easy. ....and compared to what just left the office, i'd say obama is doing exceptional work in a brilliant manner within the constraints of our unique system. jeff |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:30:09 -0500, jeff wrote: I have mixed feelings about the stimulus... Yeah, me, too - I can't decide whether it's stupid, moronic, or idiotic... my mixed feelings have nothing to do with the absolute need for government action, but rather the nature and details of the action that is absolutely necessary. i frankly do not see how we can cut taxes and increase government spending. of course, i don't recall the hue and cry when the last administration created this mess Probably for the same reason you don't recall the celebrations when the last administration put men on Pluto - because it didn't happen...Forty excepted, of course, but Kenny done did that hisownself... so, if there had been no war in iraq and if the govt had kept the two rebates...what? how much money would the government have had available? with it's ridiculous tax rebates Uh, you think tax rebates created the current economic cycle...? no...i think it was unnecessary, did nothing to help the economy, and wasted valuable resources that could have been used to rebuild and create jobs. it depleted govt funds for no good governmental purpose and served no good public purpose...imo. snipped jeff How about government cutting the excess spending? Lots of the liquidity problems are the Government(s) excess borrowing. Takes lots of loan money for private people and business out of circulation. that cat is out of the bag now...but, i agree with the concept and goal. you should check out which administrations increased government spending beginning with carter... we have been driven by stupid labels of conservative and liberal, but i think it's been during the so-called conservative admins that spending increased most dramatically. it's just laughable that we act like such lemmings...i think this election cycle has really been the first to reject old-hat politics, and i'm proud to have lived to see it and to have been a part of it. i really hope folks like the beancounter are pushed to the margins and become vapid whispers in the wind. fair and rational comment and disagreement with a purpose of constructive action is always beneficial and welcome - something, unlike his predecessor, obama has encouraged. ad hominem, disgusting, irrational, senseless, lemming squeaks need to go over the cliff, or be pushed, into a deep dark chasm never to be heard from again. jeff |
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