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Ken Fortenberry wrote in message
Couple snips:
There's not a thing in the world wrong with being an elitist
fisherman.

If you value 'self-proclaimed' titles, I guess it's O.K. One of the
things I teach youngsters wanting to learn to fly fish is that, no
fisherman who enjoys the sport and doesn't break the law is 'better'
than another.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:36:57 -0400, "snakefiddler"
wrote:

o.k., let me say a few things about my post.
first- i may have set a false tone by accidentally omitting my intended
question mark in the subject heading. i was "asking a question" purely in
fun-related to joking around that took place at work.

secondly, i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject,
even with the few responses i have seen thus far.
certainly it was not my intention to offend anyone, and i hope i haven't.

happy fly fishin-
snake

No we are not elitists. Elitists *think* they're better than other
people. Flyfishers *know* we're better than other fishermen.

Insufferable pricks is probably a more acurate description.

hth


g.c.


I.P. and proud of it.

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cruxgems wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in message
Couple snips:

There's not a thing in the world wrong with being an elitist
fisherman.


If you value 'self-proclaimed' titles, I guess it's O.K. One of the
things I teach youngsters wanting to learn to fly fish is that, no
fisherman who enjoys the sport and doesn't break the law is 'better'
than another.

That's sweet, and I appreciate the egalitarian sentiment, but
those fishermen who have mastered many fishing techniques ARE
better fishermen than those who have mastered but one or two.
They're not better people, but they ARE better fishermen. And
most of the pre-"Movie" American fly fishermen I've met,
including myself and many on this newsgroup, can fish with bait,
spinners, plugs, with many different rigs in addition to being
accomplished fly fishermen.

People WANT to consider fly fishermen elite fishermen, people
like to denigrate that which they've never accomplished as
snobbery and elitism. Fine by me, I'll play the part and be a
snobbish elitist.

(Don't worry, it's not THAT much of a stretch. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Sadly, you weren't quite ELITE enough to take your rightful place among the skull and
boners :~^(

Mark --dues payin' member of the not-so-elite White Trash Flyfishers of America--

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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cruxgems wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in message
Couple snips:

There's not a thing in the world wrong with being an elitist
fisherman.


If you value 'self-proclaimed' titles, I guess it's O.K. One of the
things I teach youngsters wanting to learn to fly fish is that, no
fisherman who enjoys the sport and doesn't break the law is 'better'
than another.

That's sweet, and I appreciate the egalitarian sentiment, but
those fishermen who have mastered many fishing techniques ARE
better fishermen than those who have mastered but one or two.
They're not better people, but they ARE better fishermen. And
most of the pre-"Movie" American fly fishermen I've met,
including myself and many on this newsgroup, can fish with bait,
spinners, plugs, with many different rigs in addition to being
accomplished fly fishermen.

People WANT to consider fly fishermen elite fishermen, people
like to denigrate that which they've never accomplished as
snobbery and elitism. Fine by me, I'll play the part and be a
snobbish elitist.

(Don't worry, it's not THAT much of a stretch. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry



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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:36:57 -0400, "snakefiddler"
wrote:

o.k., let me say a few things about my post.
first- i may have set a false tone by accidentally omitting my intended
question mark in the subject heading. i was "asking a question" purely
in
fun-related to joking around that took place at work.

secondly, i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject,
even with the few responses i have seen thus far.
certainly it was not my intention to offend anyone, and i hope i haven't.

happy fly fishin-
snake

No we are not elitists. Elitists *think* they're better than other
people. Flyfishers *know* we're better than other fishermen.

Insufferable pricks is probably a more acurate description.


I'n not even sure what 'elitist' means in this context. I know that, when
I'm going flyfishing, and loading up my gear, I secretly hope someone seees
me and that they think "wow, he's a flyfisherman! That's something!" I
know that I feel that way when I'm loading up, and I feel it even more
when I'm gearing up. Putting on the vest with all those doo-dads that I know
the use of, assembling the rod and stringing it up the right way, tying on
a fly using one of those special knots that I had to learn. I posted once
about watching a salmon fisherman in northern Norway tying on his salmon
fly, and watching the care and pride he displayed as he tied on a surgeon's
knot, then cut it off because it wasn't *just perfect*...I know he was
feeling that 'special feeling' that I get when I'm fishing. I remember
feeling it in another context: when I'm rigging my raft in the Grand Canyon,
knowing where every single strap and buckle is, where every single orange,
bandaid, hex key, carabiner and raisin is in the boat. Knowing all the moves
in all the rapids, all the places to camp and hike, being able to accurately
predict the water levels the next day as well as the temperatures that
night. It's not elitism, its just a definate, warm, innate pride in knowing
how to do something a little bit technical, something that takes a touch of
skill, a touch of luck, and a touch of perseverence. It's not elitist,
because anyone is welcome to be there with me.

--riverman
(Heineken #3....)

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Mark H. Bowen wrote:
Damn Kenny, does this mean we ain't gonna get to do any bonding in Oct.?

Oh, btw, neither Jeff nor Charlie really likes to be in the presence of my company,
but they ain't got a lot of choice when I just show up. Unlike yourself, they ain't
afraid to attend 'claves.


Mark, practice up on these lyrics for this weekend:
http://www.apgar.net/music/#wt

Drew

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"riverman" wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:36:57 -0400, "snakefiddler"
wrote:

o.k., let me say a few things about my post.
first- i may have set a false tone by accidentally omitting my intended
question mark in the subject heading. i was "asking a question" purely
in
fun-related to joking around that took place at work.

secondly, i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive
subject,
even with the few responses i have seen thus far.
certainly it was not my intention to offend anyone, and i hope i
haven't.

happy fly fishin-
snake

No we are not elitists. Elitists *think* they're better than other
people. Flyfishers *know* we're better than other fishermen.

Insufferable pricks is probably a more acurate description.


I'n not even sure what 'elitist' means in this context. I know that, when
I'm going flyfishing, and loading up my gear, I secretly hope someone
seees
me and that they think "wow, he's a flyfisherman! That's something!" I
know that I feel that way when I'm loading up, and I feel it even more
when I'm gearing up. Putting on the vest with all those doo-dads that I
know
the use of, assembling the rod and stringing it up the right way, tying
on
a fly using one of those special knots that I had to learn. I posted
once
about watching a salmon fisherman in northern Norway tying on his salmon
fly, and watching the care and pride he displayed as he tied on a
surgeon's
knot, then cut it off because it wasn't *just perfect*...I know he was
feeling that 'special feeling' that I get when I'm fishing. I remember
feeling it in another context: when I'm rigging my raft in the Grand
Canyon,
knowing where every single strap and buckle is, where every single orange,
bandaid, hex key, carabiner and raisin is in the boat. Knowing all the
moves
in all the rapids, all the places to camp and hike, being able to
accurately
predict the water levels the next day as well as the temperatures that
night. It's not elitism, its just a definate, warm, innate pride in
knowing
how to do something a little bit technical, something that takes a touch
of
skill, a touch of luck, and a touch of perseverence. It's not elitist,
because anyone is welcome to be there with me.

--riverman
(Heineken #3....)



i can dig it....
snake

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"riverman" wrote in message ...
I'n not even sure what 'elitist' means in this context. I know that, when
I'm going flyfishing, and loading up my gear, I secretly hope someone seees
me and that they think "wow, he's a flyfisherman! That's something!" I
know that I feel that way when I'm loading up, and I feel it even more
when I'm gearing up. Putting on the vest with all those doo-dads that I know
the use of, assembling the rod and stringing it up the right way, tying on
a fly using one of those special knots that I had to learn. I posted once
about watching a salmon fisherman in northern Norway tying on his salmon
fly, and watching the care and pride he displayed as he tied on a surgeon's
knot, then cut it off because it wasn't *just perfect*...I know he was
feeling that 'special feeling' that I get when I'm fishing.

Thing is, most of we 'run-of-the-mill' flyfisherman don't know if
you're using a $50.00 flyrod or a $500.00 flyrod. So what it boils
down to is; one elitist flyfisherman trying to impress another
elitiest flyfisherman. I guess you could, like Minnie Pearl, (you
probably don't remember her.) leave the price tags on.

feeling it in another context: when I'm rigging my raft in the Grand Canyon,
knowing where every single strap and buckle is, where every single orange,
bandaid, hex key, carabiner and raisin is in the boat. Knowing all the moves
in all the rapids, all the places to camp and hike, being able to accurately
predict the water levels the next day as well as the temperatures that
night. It's not elitism, its just a definate, warm, innate pride in knowing
how to do something a little bit technical, something that takes a touch of
skill, a touch of luck, and a touch of perseverence. It's not elitist,
because anyone is welcome to be there with me.

We should all know our gear, inside/out; expensive or inexpensive.
Makes the difference between a good trip and a bad one.

"Good fortune is infatuated with the efficient." (Persian proverb.)

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"cruxgems" wrote in message
m...

Thing is, most of we 'run-of-the-mill' flyfisherman don't know if
you're using a $50.00 flyrod or a $500.00 flyrod. So what it boils
down to is; one elitist flyfisherman trying to impress another
elitiest flyfisherman. I guess you could, like Minnie Pearl, (you
probably don't remember her.) leave the price tags on...

Not that I disagree with your position, but Minnie Pearl was not at all who
most people think she was.

Wolfgang
how-deeeee!......can ya'll say ward-belmont? :)
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smiths...03/object.html

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riverman wrote:
I'n not even sure what 'elitist' means in this context. I know that, when
I'm going flyfishing, and loading up my gear, I secretly hope someone seees
me and that they think "wow, he's a flyfisherman! That's something!" I
know that I feel that way when I'm loading up, and I feel it even more
when I'm gearing up. Putting on the vest with all those doo-dads that I know
the use of, assembling the rod and stringing it up the right way, tying on
a fly using one of those special knots that I had to learn. I posted once
about watching a salmon fisherman in northern Norway tying on his salmon
fly, and watching the care and pride he displayed as he tied on a surgeon's
knot, then cut it off because it wasn't *just perfect*...I know he was
feeling that 'special feeling' that I get when I'm fishing. I remember
feeling it in another context: when I'm rigging my raft in the Grand Canyon,
knowing where every single strap and buckle is, where every single orange,
bandaid, hex key, carabiner and raisin is in the boat. Knowing all the moves
in all the rapids, all the places to camp and hike, being able to accurately
predict the water levels the next day as well as the temperatures that
night. It's not elitism, its just a definate, warm, innate pride in knowing
how to do something a little bit technical, something that takes a touch of
skill, a touch of luck, and a touch of perseverence. It's not elitist,
because anyone is welcome to be there with me.

--riverman
(Heineken #3....)



Looks like Heineken #3 hit the right spot :-).

--
Herman
did you know Heineken is Dutch?

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:03:34 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"cruxgems" wrote in message
om...

Thing is, most of we 'run-of-the-mill' flyfisherman don't know if
you're using a $50.00 flyrod or a $500.00 flyrod. So what it boils
down to is; one elitist flyfisherman trying to impress another
elitiest flyfisherman. I guess you could, like Minnie Pearl, (you
probably don't remember her.) leave the price tags on...

Not that I disagree with your position, but Minnie Pearl was not at all who
most people think she was.


After I was as much grown up as I've ever become, I saw a rerun of
Grand Old Opry and realized that. She was one fine looking woman and
had a good voice once you got by the clothes and the hat and all. But
she had her shtick and played it very well. I'm just a bit ashamed I
was too 'sophisticated' to notice that when the show was alive.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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I have a brother in law that is what I call a "Bass Cranker". He
participates in many tournaments. It seems like from what I've seen is that
they hook the bass....crank as hard as you can(while skimming the fish over
the top of the water) get it in the boat and catch another one. LOL My son
who is going to be age 11 loves to fly fish..he is learning....tyes some of
his own flies...rough looking now, but effective. I took him fishing with
his cousin(same age) the son of my brother-in-law the "Bass Cranker". When
my son and I took our flyrods out of their cases...preceded to tye on our
flys....the cousins says..."Hey...why aren't you useing "real" fishing
poles? You can't catch anything with those long things". I said
"Son....their are many ways to catch a fish. We prefer the flyrod in most
instances....plus....your dad doesn't know everything about fishing....I was
catching fish when your dad was still p--ping yellow." {:O) That shut him
up quick...{:O) MIKE
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
snakefiddler wrote:

... i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, ...

Yes Daisy Mae, this is a sensitive subject.

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Class and talent alway show through. Dollys another one people
underestimate.
wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:03:34 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"cruxgems" wrote in message
om...

Thing is, most of we 'run-of-the-mill' flyfisherman don't know if
you're using a $50.00 flyrod or a $500.00 flyrod. So what it boils
down to is; one elitist flyfisherman trying to impress another
elitiest flyfisherman. I guess you could, like Minnie Pearl, (you
probably don't remember her.) leave the price tags on...

Not that I disagree with your position, but Minnie Pearl was not at all
who
most people think she was.


After I was as much grown up as I've ever become, I saw a rerun of
Grand Old Opry and realized that. She was one fine looking woman and
had a good voice once you got by the clothes and the hat and all. But
she had her shtick and played it very well. I'm just a bit ashamed I
was too 'sophisticated' to notice that when the show was alive.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely
on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli