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SimRacer January 21st, 2004 05:29 PM

Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
 

"Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in message
...
Hey Charles, my opinions are inline below:

Questions:

1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline?


I've used both and like PP better myself. The Fireline IMO nicked and broke
too easily. I lost several spinnerbaits this way on casts and changed away
from Fireline straightaway and didn't lose another bait all the rest of the
year in this manner.

2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)?


Heck no, big reason #2 for my switch. Fireline makes so much noise to me I
thought it was scaring the fish. And I ain't talking cheap POS rods either,
this was on all 3 of my St Croix trigger stick rods and my Fenwick pistol
grip. Even after the *coating* appears to start wearing and the color starts
to fade, it is still a ton quieter IMHO.

3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses

it.

As PP ages, it losses its color (moss green to pale green in my case). I
assume you could use a marker to breakup the line and camo it a little
better. I didn't do it this year and after switching to PP in April, was
still using it on the reels in November (dont get to fish a lot, wasn't too
bad worn out) and it still caught fish for me. If I fished really clear
water at all, I would prolly pick brains here about doing the marker thing
to breakup the line's appearance tho.

4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have broken
rods with superlines.


I haven't broken anything with hook sets or trying to break loose of a snag.
I HAVE however, pulled up some significant pine branches from lake bottoms
with it... :-) The first time I did this I thought I had foul hooked
something big or had snagged a big cat sulking around the bottom.

5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser?


I set mine a little looser just because of the lack of stretch in PP.
Honestly, I am more worried about the fish's jaw/lips tearing than I am
anything else. Of course I don't fish *big fish* holes (our state record,
NC, is only around 15# afterall) so I don't fish the big stuff. I have 20#
on my pistol grip and 30# on everything else. Prior to that I used to fish
10# mono for the most part and find the line diameters of these two
weight/lines agreeable to my established fishing routine.

6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right?


I use a backing line as the *directions* in the box call for it. Mike
Iaconelli gave me a tip at a Dick's (Cary, NC) last year at an appearance he
made the weekend prior to the Santee-Cooper SC tourney and said that he
recommends it, but you don't have to tie line-to-line as laid out in most
superline box directions. He said he just spools on a layer or so of mono
and ties it off to itself/the spool. The he threads in the superline just
like it were on a bare spool. Superline cuts into the mono and voila, you
have gription (the ability for the superline to hold). I've also heard that
one can simply tape the superline to the bare spool, but I've never tried
that. I spooled up all my reels in April with the PP and haven't done a
respool yet (that would be happening this weekend thought), tied the line
together on a couple and did Mike's advice on the other 3-4 and honestly
can't tell a difference in performance. Not having to tie the lines directly
together is easier for me as I didn't have any mono the same diameter to
back spool it with anyway.

7. Ok for fishing plastics?


Heck yeah. I fish everything with it and have produced with every type of
bait using it. Not necessarily all in the same day, but over the bulk of
this past season which was my first with superlines. (Fireline
January-April, Power Pro April-current). I had been strictly mono the prior
30 years. The only thing I would even think about would be in a situation
where you wanted a sinking leader, I don't think PP is as negatively bouyant
as flouro. This is no scientific finding here, simply my opinion.

Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before, but

I
tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my
server.


I don't think anyone semi-regular to this group minds your questions
Charles, as you've helped us (me) a lot in the past with info, I'm just glad
I know something well enough to try and help you out for a change.



SimRacer January 21st, 2004 05:40 PM

Power Pro... are you Sure?
 

"Charles B. Summers" (Comcast) wrote in
message ...
BPS line has way too much stretch for my liking...

Funny thing is, when you go to BPS's website and look for line, you have

to
go to the sal****er section to find the PowerPro. It's not listed in the
freshwater options.


That's ok Charles, before they started carrying it at the Dick's Sporting
Goods stores around here (Raleigh/Cary/Fayetteville, NC) the only place I
had ever seen PP on the shelf was at the tackle shop down at the coast where
I put out for flounder, King/Spanish Mackeral fishing.

Apparently this is a sal****er item that has crossed over to us bassin'
types.



Charles B. Summers January 21st, 2004 07:01 PM

Power Pro... are you Sure?
 
It's just a feeling, I guess. But compared to other lines that I've used, I
can tell when a line has more stretch than I like.

Here's an idea. Tied about 2 foot of two different lines to a stationalry
object, tie the other ends to a handle and pull. Which one stretches
farther? I'm not talking about breaking points, but just pulls.


"AJH" wrote in message
...
How do you test for stretch?





I fish therefore I lie




Charles B. Summers January 21st, 2004 07:04 PM

Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
 
Thank Sim... I just hope that I don't end up respooling with mono before
giving PP it's fair chance.


"SimRacer" -spam wrote in message
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"Charles B. Summers" charles-summers@(comcast)(dot)(net) wrote in

message
...
Hey Charles, my opinions are inline below:

Questions:

1. How different is this line going to be compared to Fireline?


I've used both and like PP better myself. The Fireline IMO nicked and

broke
too easily. I lost several spinnerbaits this way on casts and changed away
from Fireline straightaway and didn't lose another bait all the rest of

the
year in this manner.

2. Is it going to be noisy through the guides (like Fireline)?


Heck no, big reason #2 for my switch. Fireline makes so much noise to me I
thought it was scaring the fish. And I ain't talking cheap POS rods

either,
this was on all 3 of my St Croix trigger stick rods and my Fenwick pistol
grip. Even after the *coating* appears to start wearing and the color

starts
to fade, it is still a ton quieter IMHO.

3. Remind me of the black magic marker... I forgot why Rich says he uses

it.

As PP ages, it losses its color (moss green to pale green in my case). I
assume you could use a marker to breakup the line and camo it a little
better. I didn't do it this year and after switching to PP in April, was
still using it on the reels in November (dont get to fish a lot, wasn't

too
bad worn out) and it still caught fish for me. If I fished really clear
water at all, I would prolly pick brains here about doing the marker thing
to breakup the line's appearance tho.

4. Do I need to modify my hookset? I've heard that some people have

broken
rods with superlines.


I haven't broken anything with hook sets or trying to break loose of a

snag.
I HAVE however, pulled up some significant pine branches from lake bottoms
with it... :-) The first time I did this I thought I had foul hooked
something big or had snagged a big cat sulking around the bottom.

5. Drag setting? Tighter, looser?


I set mine a little looser just because of the lack of stretch in PP.
Honestly, I am more worried about the fish's jaw/lips tearing than I am
anything else. Of course I don't fish *big fish* holes (our state record,
NC, is only around 15# afterall) so I don't fish the big stuff. I have 20#
on my pistol grip and 30# on everything else. Prior to that I used to fish
10# mono for the most part and find the line diameters of these two
weight/lines agreeable to my established fishing routine.

6. Not really a question, but a backing line is recommended, right?


I use a backing line as the *directions* in the box call for it. Mike
Iaconelli gave me a tip at a Dick's (Cary, NC) last year at an appearance

he
made the weekend prior to the Santee-Cooper SC tourney and said that he
recommends it, but you don't have to tie line-to-line as laid out in most
superline box directions. He said he just spools on a layer or so of mono
and ties it off to itself/the spool. The he threads in the superline just
like it were on a bare spool. Superline cuts into the mono and voila, you
have gription (the ability for the superline to hold). I've also heard

that
one can simply tape the superline to the bare spool, but I've never tried
that. I spooled up all my reels in April with the PP and haven't done a
respool yet (that would be happening this weekend thought), tied the line
together on a couple and did Mike's advice on the other 3-4 and honestly
can't tell a difference in performance. Not having to tie the lines

directly
together is easier for me as I didn't have any mono the same diameter to
back spool it with anyway.

7. Ok for fishing plastics?


Heck yeah. I fish everything with it and have produced with every type of
bait using it. Not necessarily all in the same day, but over the bulk of
this past season which was my first with superlines. (Fireline
January-April, Power Pro April-current). I had been strictly mono the

prior
30 years. The only thing I would even think about would be in a situation
where you wanted a sinking leader, I don't think PP is as negatively

bouyant
as flouro. This is no scientific finding here, simply my opinion.

Sorry about all the questions that I know's been answered here before,

but
I
tried to look back over the older posts but they've been deleted from my
server.


I don't think anyone semi-regular to this group minds your questions
Charles, as you've helped us (me) a lot in the past with info, I'm just

glad
I know something well enough to try and help you out for a change.





SimRacer January 21st, 2004 08:17 PM

Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
 

"Who Cares" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the great commentary on PP. Yo did a great job. One
question though: Do you ever attach a leader to your line? I fish for
smallmouths and thought it might (PP) present a problem. Thank You in
advance


The only time I use a leader around here (for bass) is in a Carolina Rig
situation. Of course I don't necessarily follow all the correct rules for
fishing so I wouldn't put a lot of faith in my advice on those points. I
fished from the time I was old enough to remember up until I got married in
1990. Started back in earnest about 2000 so there may be techniques out
there that I don't practice due to my absence from the hobby.

That said, I attached the C-rig leader with a swivel. If I were to use a
swiveless leader setup, I'd have to nail down the tactics as to matching up
the right size of mono/flouro to the PP line diameter so the knot couldn't
untie itself or worse, the PP actually cut through the mono, which it can
do. But if you use the correct/matching line diameter, and tie with the
correct knots, I'm sure a leader with PP would work just fine.



Jack Dalzell Jr. January 21st, 2004 08:29 PM

Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
 
I have used a fluorocarbon leader with the superbraided lines. You can
attach the leader by one of two knots. The first and hardest to tie is
the bloodknot, the easiest is the double uni-knot. See:
http://www.marinews.com/fishing/fk_main.htm

Jack
~~
Jack Dalzell
http://secretweaponlures.com/jdbass/jdhome.htm
"Living on the south shore of Lake Erie and loving it!"
~~

Who Cares wrote:
Thanks for the great commentary on PP. Yo did a great job. One
question though: Do you ever attach a leader to your line? I fish for
smallmouths and thought it might (PP) present a problem. Thank You in
advance



SimRacer January 21st, 2004 08:35 PM

Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
 

"Charles B. Summers" (Comcast) wrote in
message ...
Thank Sim... I just hope that I don't end up respooling with mono before
giving PP it's fair chance.



Line is like every other equipment choice in this fishing addiction we're
afflicted with, but I am as finicky as it gets (Fireline was my very first
attempt at using a superline, this past year no less) and I find that I
really like PP. Yes, tying some things with it is a pain, tying it together
with another line can be a pain, yes, it's color fades, BUT it is quieter
through the guides, super strong for its diameter, has no memory that I have
ever observed, and more importantly, once setup and tied properly, has never
broken at a time that would cost me a fish. Honestly, I have NEVER broken my
PP. I can't even break it on a terminal snag, have to cut it with scissors
or a sharp knife. (Standard clippers stand no chance against this braid in
my experience).



AJH January 21st, 2004 09:38 PM

Power Pro... are you Sure?
 
Maybe Warren has a machine for testing the elastic on his BVD's
(boomerang) that would work on mono..g





I fish therefore I lie


J Buck January 21st, 2004 10:49 PM

Power Pro... are you sure it's for me?
 
Yes, tying some things with it is a pain, tying it together with
another line can be a pain

I find tying ANY knots with ANY kind of line to be a pain. That's why I
like to fish with my Dad or nephew LoL


Scott January 21st, 2004 11:05 PM

Power Pro... are you Sure? (SLIM RACER)
 
Who cares,

I've used a leader when going after Pike. I've sense learned that a
leader isn't necessary. I'd go ahead and try fishing for the smallies
without a leader and see how it works for ya.

Scott

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(Who Cares) wrote in message ...
Thanks for the great commentary on PP. Yo did a great job. One
question though: Do you ever attach a leader to your line? I fish for
smallmouths and thought it might (PP) present a problem. Thank You in
advance



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