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Oh, Dave knows there is a major difference, for he buys his blanks based on
their quality. He also knows that while a company like St. Croix may use
the same 45-Million Modulus graphite on two different rod series, that each
has its own unique properties based on the other materials used to make the
blank, like its scrim system, the cut, warp, mandrel taper, and curing
process.

Dave is an intelligent individual and knows that the strain rate of a high
end rod is what separates it from its lower quality competitors. He knows a
great deal of engineering goes into perfecting that strain rate, because it
doesn't come naturally from the pan carbon fiber, and that getting all the
right materials together to ensure the blank comes out perfect in the curing
process requires a great deal of R&D (which is about 75% of the cost the
average angler is paying for).

Now what Dave is having a hard time getting his arms around is the idea that
a production rod manufacturer Today, can spline their rods on the fly.
Splining a finished blank is quite easy and a very simple process. What
surprises me, is that it took all this time before they developed the
automatic equipment to do it.

But no matter how good production rod manufacturers get building their rods,
Dave and other custom rod builders never have to worry. Because what makes
a custom rod a step above all the rest is all the fine detail and care they
put into a rod that makes it special. It is the same in all industries.
What would you rather own, a new Porsche 911 Turbo, or a custom chopped 32
Ford 3-window coupe. That Porsche is a top of the line production vehicle,
that is excellent in every way. Men drool in its presents. But can it
really compete with a fine detailed custom 32 Ford coupe. As fine as that
Porsche is, as much as I would love to own it, I would rather own Ford
coupe.

--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

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Warren , if you'd simply read the descriptions you'd notice that the model
numbers are the same. An IMX or Slate blank is still an IMX no matter what
the price tag that they put on it. The only real difference might be in the
guides that they use on a rod. SIC guides will add about $30.00 to a rod
over alconite. But not where large manufacturers are concerned since they
buy guides by the 100's of thousands.

So "you" tell me Warren , how do they "justify"
their different price structures. How can they sell a "Rick Clunn" branded
model for X amount of dollars and advertise the same rod component for
component at a price that is several hundred dollars more just a few pages
further on in a catalog. Where is the justification in that.

It's HYPE Warren, plain and simply. Advertising ploys used to lure the
unsuspecting into buying their rods. Where is the hype in a custom built
rod(please notice that I did not refer to any particular custom)! There is
no hype,
you are told up front exactly what you can expect as far as performance out
of a given rod. If you wish to change the performance of a model ,you are
given options on how to best achieve the results that you desire.

Can you get this from a store or catalog bought rod. I think not! Your lucky
if you get 1/2 the expected performance that you thought you'd get.And yet
with some of these rods you pay as if it were a custom.



--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Ah, that helps me understand why a guy can order a Loomis blank & get
another type instead, because they're exactly the same eh? The
personalization makes all the difference I guess.

Gotcha.

Warren

""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
If you will just read the description of the rods you will for the most
part
find that they use the same components . Surely you can't believe that
they
have one grade of blank for a $49.00 Rick Clunn rod and another grade of
blank for a rod that they have a $270.00 price tag on.

Start by looking at the reelseat , "all" manufactured rods
use the same cheap reelseat. Doesn't matter if it is a Fuji.
I quit using those nasty locking hoods eight yrs.ago.It goes the same
with
all of the components. They buy the cheapest they can at the best price
they
can get. Whereas all rodbuilders I know but only 1st quality cork
grips,reelseats , etc.

Again, when producing thousands of rods a week , you cannot afford the
luxury of checking the spine on each blank . Time is money, the same
goes
for correctly aligning guides in reference to the spine. The most common
trick of the mass producer is when they have a blank with a hook in it
,they
simply put the guides at 90 degrees to the bow. The weight of the guides
offsets the bow and will help straighten the blank. What you wind up
with
is
a rod that corkscrews. A real pleasure to fish with.

And technically custom builders use the same checks and balances when
building their rods. So yes technically they
will be close to the same. But where custom builders
differ is what they do "AFTER" they assembled the most perfect rod they
can.
It is the personalization of the rod which helps to make it uniquely one
persons. And that you can't always put a dollar value.

Do I expect you to believe any of this Warren, maybe when pigs sprout
wings
!

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"go-bassn" wrote in message
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""The Shadow"" wrote in message
...
G. Loomis production
rods are really no better than any other production rod...

C'mon now Dave, you don't really believe this, do you? You think a
$300
Loomis is no different than a $49 Bionic Blade? That's like saying
that
one
custom builder's rods are just as good as the next custom guy's. You
know
as well as I do that there are vast differences in quality, components
&
craftsmanship involved.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com

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Then why does Dave keep saying it's all HYPE???

WW
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Craig Baugher" wrote in message
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Oh, Dave knows there is a major difference, for he buys his blanks based
on
their quality. He also knows that while a company like St. Croix may use
the same 45-Million Modulus graphite on two different rod series, that
each
has its own unique properties based on the other materials used to make
the
blank, like its scrim system, the cut, warp, mandrel taper, and curing
process.

Dave is an intelligent individual and knows that the strain rate of a high
end rod is what separates it from its lower quality competitors. He knows
a
great deal of engineering goes into perfecting that strain rate, because
it
doesn't come naturally from the pan carbon fiber, and that getting all the
right materials together to ensure the blank comes out perfect in the
curing
process requires a great deal of R&D (which is about 75% of the cost the
average angler is paying for).

Now what Dave is having a hard time getting his arms around is the idea
that
a production rod manufacturer Today, can spline their rods on the fly.
Splining a finished blank is quite easy and a very simple process. What
surprises me, is that it took all this time before they developed the
automatic equipment to do it.

But no matter how good production rod manufacturers get building their
rods,
Dave and other custom rod builders never have to worry. Because what
makes
a custom rod a step above all the rest is all the fine detail and care
they
put into a rod that makes it special. It is the same in all industries.
What would you rather own, a new Porsche 911 Turbo, or a custom chopped 32
Ford 3-window coupe. That Porsche is a top of the line production
vehicle,
that is excellent in every way. Men drool in its presents. But can it
really compete with a fine detailed custom 32 Ford coupe. As fine as that
Porsche is, as much as I would love to own it, I would rather own Ford
coupe.

--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

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.....where've you been?

"Shawn" wrote in message
...
The Clarus, Compre, or the Guide Series from Gander Mountain will be more
than adequate, JP. Either will suit you just fine and spinning gear is
certainly easier to cast in tight quarters. One thing that concerns me is
the heavy vegetation - it can get nasty 'round here in shallow waters, and
that creates a whole new set of problems/questions:

Remember folks, he's fishing from shore with limited room to maneuver -
when
that fish dives he'll have to bring a TON of salad in with him. A MH/H rod
and a super line is in order, right?

Maybe not. That heavy action rod limits casting when you're perched
beneath
the trees and within the bush. The limber tip on a M rod sure makes
flip/skip casting easier to control (as it'll take less effort), but it
might not have enough backbone to bring 'em in.

A lot depends upon what the preferred presentation(s) is, too.

JP, son, ya might consider two rigs.

-- Shawn


"J.P." wrote in message
...
I'm familiar with spinning gear and feel that it would best fit my needs
at
this time. I suppose I should have been more specific with my post. My
apologies.

J.P.

"AJH" wrote in message
...
Do you want a spinning or a baitcasting outfit?

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Craig
There you go confusing me with facts.


Steve
"Craig Baugher" wrote in message
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I.F. wrote: "The Clarus is a decent rod and will give good service. The
graphite material used in the construction is IM7 on that rod, so it has
good sensitivity and a little give."

Please folks, IM6, IM7, IM8 materials, made by the Hexcel Corporation have
not been produced in over 10 years. The labels rods manufacturers are
putting on rods, such as IM6, IM7, and IM8 are just that, LABELS. They
are
MEANINGLESS! A rod identified as IM8 is not better or worse than one
identified as an IM6, because these identifiers are not identifying
anything, they are MEANINGLESS!

Modulus ratings by themselves tell you very little to nothing about the
rod's overall construction, the material, and its quality. A manufacturer
can tell you they are using 58-Million Modulus material. Ok, what does
that
say about the quality of that material used or the quality of the rod, or
its sensitivity. Absolutely Nothing! Now, if the rod said 54 or even
33-million Hexcel Corporation's Hercules fibers material used, at least
you
would know the raw graphite (really known as pan carbon fiber) was top
notch.

But even then, you don't really know, because G.Loomis is known to sell
their rejected materials to other rod manufacturers. Now what does that
say
about labels and identifiers, because Hexcel's Hercules fibers is the
standard all other companies strive to match. So, G.Loomis rejects a
batch
of Hexcel's material, and then sells this rejected material to another
rod
company who can now say they are using Hexcel's Hercules fiber without
lying. Rejected material, but the legal right to say they are using the
world's best material.

High end rods cost so much, because the companies or individuals producing
them have very high quality standards, which means they pay more for all
the
raw materials, and spend a great deal of money developing a rod series
(R&D)
to ensure the rod will perform well for years to come.

--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

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Sorry. . . . . .

--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

A Quick Intro & Rod/Reel Question
 

Up in the frozen Tundra?


"Huck Palmatier" wrote in message
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....where've you been?

"Shawn" wrote in message
...

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Yer right about one thing for sure Craig . And that is that no-one can
convince me that mass producers go to the same lengths that a custom builder
does. And that includes correctly locating the "spine" on each blank they
use. It's just not cost effective. Especially since they know that the
average angler that buys there rods would not know the difference.

--
"The Shadow"
Millennium Rods
"Craig Baugher" wrote in message
news:lDr8c.85544$1p.1285816@attbi_s54...
Oh, Dave knows there is a major difference, for he buys his blanks based
on
their quality. He also knows that while a company like St. Croix may use
the same 45-Million Modulus graphite on two different rod series, that
each
has its own unique properties based on the other materials used to make
the
blank, like its scrim system, the cut, warp, mandrel taper, and curing
process.

Dave is an intelligent individual and knows that the strain rate of a high
end rod is what separates it from its lower quality competitors. He knows
a
great deal of engineering goes into perfecting that strain rate, because
it
doesn't come naturally from the pan carbon fiber, and that getting all the
right materials together to ensure the blank comes out perfect in the
curing
process requires a great deal of R&D (which is about 75% of the cost the
average angler is paying for).

Now what Dave is having a hard time getting his arms around is the idea
that
a production rod manufacturer Today, can spline their rods on the fly.
Splining a finished blank is quite easy and a very simple process. What
surprises me, is that it took all this time before they developed the
automatic equipment to do it.

But no matter how good production rod manufacturers get building their
rods,
Dave and other custom rod builders never have to worry. Because what
makes
a custom rod a step above all the rest is all the fine detail and care
they
put into a rod that makes it special. It is the same in all industries.
What would you rather own, a new Porsche 911 Turbo, or a custom chopped 32
Ford 3-window coupe. That Porsche is a top of the line production
vehicle,
that is excellent in every way. Men drool in its presents. But can it
really compete with a fine detailed custom 32 Ford coupe. As fine as that
Porsche is, as much as I would love to own it, I would rather own Ford
coupe.

--
Craig Baugher
Be Confident, Focused, but most of all Have FUN!

A Quick Intro & Rod/Reel Question
 

"Huck Palmatier" wrote ...
....where've you been?


I've been chasing down cops and running from women...or...errr..

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IS THAT YOU KEMMER!?!?

WW

"Shawn" wrote in message
...

"Huck Palmatier" wrote ...
....where've you been?


I've been chasing down cops and running from women...or...errr..