Arolik River Alaska (questions)
 

Wolfgang typed:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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...Do you think ****ing off a bear is worst than ****ing of a fellow
ROFFian?

Hm......

Typically, a bear will only maul you once......and (assuming you live
through it) you've got a pretty good idea of what's been done to you.

Now THAT'S funny.
--
TL,
Tim
who has lived through the roffian mauling on more than one occasion.
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:54:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Do you think ****ing off a bear is worst than ****ing of a fellow ROFFian?

d;o)
I have made a science of ****ing off fellow roffians. 'Tis a sport,
dontchaknow? d;o)

Arolik River Alaska (questions)
 

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:04:30 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

No guides that I know of in the Absaroka-Beartooth
Wilderness would venture out without a shotgun.
The weapon of choice was a 12 gauge loaded with
alternating shells of 00 buckshot and deer slugs.

Don't leave camp without it.

The bears I've seen in Alaska (100+ in 04, and about 80 last year) are
used to seeing humans. Most were juveniles (3-4 years old). The
guides even scared a sow and her 3 cubs off of a sand bar island that
we used for a rest/meal stop on the Moraine. This year, a lard ass
male came within 30 feet of me and walked past without giving me a nod
or a how-do-you-do. He weighed in at about 700 pounds. Big ass sob.
No juvie there.

The lodge that I stay at has never had a bear incident in all the
years they have been there. The thickest I have seen them was on
Margot Creek at the beginning of the Valley of 10,000 Smokes. Almost
every time I caught a rainbow or dolly, a bear would come and take
over the hole. They were after the Sockeye who were on the spawn.
All spawning salmon are prey for the Alaskan Brown. Silver, Chum,
Kings, Sockey, Humpies are all consumed during their spawn. They eat
only the skin, brain, and sex organs during the summer, but as the
fall begins to set in, they eat the entire fish.

Dave

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Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:34:45 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:


No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly
fishing.

Forgot to add: In 2004, someone killed a bear on Funnel Creek. Fish
and Wildlife, as well as the Alaskan State Police began a search for
the person(s). If caught, they will probably spend time in jail.




Think I rather get eaten by a bear then reamed in an Alaskan jail cell,
heard the state had the greatest Male to Female ratio.
Better call Jim to pack the hollow points and a picnic basket.
-tom




I think that there's a BIG difference in how the grizzlies act depending
on whether or not they are in an area that gets hunted. In areas where
they aren't hunted, they aren't afraid of people and in areas where they
are hunted, they're likely to be afraid of people. Before I went on our
float last year on the Kanektok, I was troubled by the images I had seen
on TV, in movies, magazines, etc. that commonly show Grizzlies in close
proximity to anglers. I thought I would be comfortable dealing with
them during the day but felt that every noise I heard at night would
freak me out and keep me awake. I brought along earplugs for that
reason. Although we saw LOTS of fresh bear sign at virtually every place
we stopped to fish, the only bear we saw on our float last year ran off
as soon as it saw us. The bears in the area of the Kanektok avoided
contact with people.

The area where Dave saw all the bears is an area that isn't hunted. The
Arolik area is hunted both by natives and licensed hunters.


Willi

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:04:30 GMT, Ken Fortenberry

The bears I've seen in Alaska (100+ in 04, and about 80 last year) are
used to seeing humans. Most were juveniles (3-4 years old). The
guides even scared a sow and her 3 cubs off of a sand bar island that
we used for a rest/meal stop on the Moraine. This year, a lard ass
male came within 30 feet of me and walked past without giving me a nod
or a how-do-you-do. He weighed in at about 700 pounds. Big ass sob.
No juvie there.

The lodge that I stay at has never had a bear incident in all the
years they have been there.

Other than the fact that bear are generally afraid of humans, they have
plenty to eat in the river. If they didn't have the fish to eat, I
personally wouldn't be so cavalier about fishing next to a 700 lb. brown
bear.

YMMV,
JT

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:51:25 -0800, "Jeff Taylor"
wrote:

If they didn't have the fish to eat, I
personally wouldn't be so cavalier about fishing next to a 700 lb. brown
bear.

Believe me, I was not cavalier with *any* of the hundreds of bears I
saw. The big male that I spoke of was across the river from us, saw
that we were catching silvers (BIG silvers fresh from the sea, with
green backs) and swam across to investigate. As he came toward us, we
talked to him and retreated up the bank.

The last thing you want to do, btw, is to panic and run. That could
set them off, and you'll lose. Talk to them, give way and let them
pass (or fish). There have been very few bear/angler incidents where
the angler was attacked.

MMAV

Dave

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:04:54 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

There have been very few bear/angler incidents where
the angler was attacked.

How many where the bear was attacked?

Arolik River Alaska (questions)
 

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:07:20 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:04:54 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

There have been very few bear/angler incidents where
the angler was attacked.

How many where the bear was attacked?

One that I know of. A bear was illegally shot on Funnel Creek. All
four paws were removed, as well as his head. Funnel flows into
Moraine which flows into Kukaklek Lake, all within Katmai National
Preserve.

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:51:25 -0800, "Jeff Taylor"
wrote:

If they didn't have the fish to eat, I
personally wouldn't be so cavalier about fishing next to a 700 lb. brown
bear.

Believe me, I was not cavalier with *any* of the hundreds of bears I
saw. The big male that I spoke of was across the river from us, saw
that we were catching silvers (BIG silvers fresh from the sea, with
green backs) and swam across to investigate. As he came toward us, we
talked to him and retreated up the bank.

I kind of figured that was the case, however in you posts, you make is sound
like a walk in the park when you were surrounded by bears... and you also
didn't mention that you were moving away from the 700 lber when he walked
within 30 ft. of you...

So does mine,
JT

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:15:04 -0800, "Jeff Taylor"
wrote:

So does mine,

d;o)