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rw wrote:
wrote:
On 14 Jun 2006 19:44:24 -0700, wrote:



Further, when I asked TU


You (and Willi) seem to naively assume that TU (nationals) is now
anything more than a bunch of fundraising whores currently spreading
their legs for Troutbucks. What they once were is long lost, and
while a few local chapters might actually _do_ something, TU as a
national organization is no better than the NRA, the Red Cross, or
any other for-profit business run under the guise of a non-profit
group, and done so without the expenses, such as taxes, and
headaches of other businesses. Why anyone supports or cares about
the ****ers is less of a mystery as much as a source of sad
bemusement, and can be attributed to little more what those
supporters imagine is the cache of having a silly-assed sticker on
their silly-assed yuppiemobile. If you actually support _real_
conservation, as opposed to self-centered "conservation," you are at
odds with TU nationals.

I actually agree with rdean about this, the saints be praised. I was a
charter member of TU when I was about 15 years old (a member of the
NRA also, after I bought my first rifle -- a .22 pump Winchester).
Now I won't have anything to do with either one of them.

The local chapters of TU probably do some good works.

I know how many hours I put in every year doing cold-water convervation and
I'm pretty proud of what I've gotten done. I work closely with about a
dozen local people and another 2-3 dozen from around the State and I know
how dedicated to the cause they are and how many hours they put in. I'll be
spending the next two days supervising a crane operator who's removing a
rock pile from a collapsed bridge abutment in my favorite river (near the
'secret spot'). Pioneer Valley TU raised the funds for this locally and did
2 years of work to get the permits in line.

You and rdean can kiss my ass.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps
(oh wait, you said 'probably', so I apologize for my harshness)
(and if anybody's interested: http://gula.org/pvtu/swift.pdf)

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wrote in message
oups.com...

While you stretch my patience beyond what is reasonable, I will try
again. Can you please, please try make a coherent comment....

Seriousness? You want seriousness? O.k.

I cannot for the life of me understand why I am the only person here willing
to grant you the insignificant boon you ask for. Selfishness? Laziness? A
profound inability to see the obvious? Who knows. Unfortunately, there is
nothing either of us can do about it and, let's face it, as a crazed desert
ascetic messiah you are......well, let's just say you tend toward the
corpulent end of the spectrum.....and I only have two hands and I'm not
getting any younger. There is just no way I can hold you up AND drive the
nails without making a bit of a mess of the job.

Wolfgang

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
...And by the way, screw you, Wolfgang.

Hee, hee, hee.

I get bonus points every time you cry. :)

Wolfgang

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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:30:08 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

rw wrote:
wrote:
On 14 Jun 2006 19:44:24 -0700, wrote:



Further, when I asked TU


You (and Willi) seem to naively assume that TU (nationals) is now
anything more than a bunch of fundraising whores currently spreading
their legs for Troutbucks. What they once were is long lost, and
while a few local chapters might actually _do_ something, TU as a
national organization is no better than the NRA, the Red Cross, or
any other for-profit business run under the guise of a non-profit
group, and done so without the expenses, such as taxes, and
headaches of other businesses. Why anyone supports or cares about
the ****ers is less of a mystery as much as a source of sad
bemusement, and can be attributed to little more what those
supporters imagine is the cache of having a silly-assed sticker on
their silly-assed yuppiemobile. If you actually support _real_
conservation, as opposed to self-centered "conservation," you are at
odds with TU nationals.

I actually agree with rdean about this, the saints be praised. I was a
charter member of TU when I was about 15 years old (a member of the
NRA also, after I bought my first rifle -- a .22 pump Winchester).
Now I won't have anything to do with either one of them.

The local chapters of TU probably do some good works.

I know how many hours I put in every year doing cold-water convervation and
I'm pretty proud of what I've gotten done. I work closely with about a
dozen local people and another 2-3 dozen from around the State and I know
how dedicated to the cause they are and how many hours they put in. I'll be
spending the next two days supervising a crane operator who's removing a
rock pile from a collapsed bridge abutment in my favorite river (near the
'secret spot'). Pioneer Valley TU raised the funds for this locally and did
2 years of work to get the permits in line.

You and rdean can kiss my ass.

And you can kiss mine. I specifically said that I realized locals might
actually _do_ something, and you're one of the people I had in mind with
the comment. It's much like the Red Cross, it's not the volunteers in
the trenches that are the problem - even if they do nothing, they are at
least harmless, it's the national business organization. Go back and
reread your post. I don't see a single mention of anything really
related to "Trout Unlimited" as a national org. What I see is local,
locally, local.

TC,
R

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JStraw Being new to this group I am astounded at the hate mongering
JStraw that goes on. ... So as opposed to being incredibly hateful,
JStraw do you think you could stay on point and respond intelligently
JStraw so we can benefit from a good debate.

Having been around for some years, I would strongly recommend the
following strategy: enjoy what is good in here (there is _a lot_ of
expertise in this group), ignore what you don't want to see. Trying to
fight against or teach how to behave would be, among other things,
entertainment for some.

--
Jarmo Hurri

Commercial email countermeasures included in header email
address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

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Scott Seidman wrote:
wrote in news:1150339464.034149.224770
@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Further, when I asked TU about this I received a terse response, and I
quote:

"You are so poorly informed about this activity a response is not worth
my time. Since the DOW, USFS, and numerious public and private
conservation groups were actively involved and supported this activity
your complaint will not get too far."



Can you pop a name and addy to go along with that quote? I'm interested in
determining if it came from the local, state, or national level. Before
you ask, no, TU Chapters are not necessarily consistant with State
Councils, and State Councils are not always entirely in step with National.

Howdy Scott,

I was just responding to the "Media and Promotion" contact link from
which is current.
I'm not really sure who he is except for the information from that
page.

http://www.nationalflyfishingchampio...committee.html

I'm as upset with the CDOW for maintaining two sets of regs but, as
Media and Promotion contact, perhaps TU would be better served with
someone a little more diplomatic. It's one thing for a licensed angler
[with a particular beff] to be grumpy, another thing entirely for the
organizers and sponsors, IMO, to be unsympathetic to that grump.

Best regards,

TBone

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On 6/15/06 10:01 AM, in article
, "JStraw"
wrote:

After all, this about fly fishing right?

What, is this new guy week or something? :-)

Nothing wrong with what you're saying JStraw, but think of it like the first
time you went to your wife's family reunion. (and if you aren't married,
just bear with me :-) You probably didn't barge into Uncle Sam and Grandpa
Joe's annual tete-a-tete about "tastes great" and "less filling", right? I
mean, the argument is meaningless and it is never going to be resolved, but
they go at it anyhow, as they've done since the world began. Some of the
folks here have been doing their own peculiar dance together for many, many,
many years. Most have personalities that are unlikely to change because you
want to stick to "fly fishing only" regs. When it comes to ROFF, think
blackberry jam. You gots to take the seeds with the sweet. After a while,
you forget the seeds are even there.

Bill, running out of metaphors

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"JStraw" wrote in message
oups.com...

Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

While you stretch my patience beyond what is reasonable, I will try
again. Can you please, please try make a coherent comment....

Seriousness? You want seriousness? O.k.

I cannot for the life of me understand why I am the only person here
willing
to grant you the insignificant boon you ask for. Selfishness? Laziness?
A
profound inability to see the obvious? Who knows. Unfortunately, there
is
nothing either of us can do about it and, let's face it, as a crazed
desert
ascetic messiah you are......well, let's just say you tend toward the
corpulent end of the spectrum.....and I only have two hands and I'm not
getting any younger. There is just no way I can hold you up AND drive
the
nails without making a bit of a mess of the job.

Wolfgang

Being new to this group I am astounded at the hate mongering that goes
on. When folks like TBone TRY to stay on topic, regardless of his/her
opinion, dudes like Wolfgang reply with almost anything but substance.
So as opposed to being incredibly hateful, do you think you could stay
on point and respond intelligently so we can benefit from a good
debate. After all, this about fly fishing right?



Wow, this is a red-letter day, it seems.

--riverman
(done packing, waiting for tomorrow....)