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Scott Seidman wrote:
rw wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:

rw wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:


I'd have no problem with them if the bead were pegged right at the
hook. Even then, if I guided out of an Alaskan lodge, and the guide
was supposed to provide flies, I'd be very upset if that were the
only fly he had.

The regulation in Alaska is that the bead must be pegged to farther
than two inches above the hook.



... and I don't understand why that would work any better than
pegging it right at the hook. If there is no difference, then why
peg 3" away and not at the hook, and if there is a difference, why
isn't it because you're lining the fish?

I don't know the rationale for the regulation, but IMO pegging the
bead two inches above the hook is better than pegging it at the hook
(or using a conventional egg pattern). The hook sets are usually on
the outside of the mouth, and there's almost no chance the fish will
swallow the hook. Pegging farther than two inches probably results in
more foul hooks on the body. I've never tried it.

Call it snagging if you want. To me, it's using an imitation of a
natural food source, and it's no more harmful and no different in
principle than nymph fishing.





New York defines "foul hooked" as "not hooked IN (emphasis added) the
mouth".

Oooooo! New York! **** New York. Those are the regs in Alaska.

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rw wrote:
Scott Seidman wrote:

New York defines "foul hooked" as "not hooked IN (emphasis added) the
mouth".

Oooooo! New York! **** New York. Those are the regs in Alaska.

Alaska has very few regulations, but I'm not surprised that "****
New York" is one of those few....

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"rb608" wrote in message
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briansfly wrote:
If it's pegged
closer, or on the hook, the bead is more likely to be swallowed, and
deep hook/injure the fish.

Based on my experience w/ Great Lakes salmon, that's unlikely. I've
caught lots of salmon & steelhead on egg patterns tied right on the
hook and never once had a hookup deep in the mouth. On landing the
fish, the fly has always been in the upper or lower jaw. I don't know
how (or why) a salmon eats an egg, but in 12 years of these trips, I've
never caught one that swallowed the fly.

Joe F.


The beaders here in the American River, use a 12' leader. So the odds are
it will float into the open mouth of a fish. Hence the term "flossing".
Maybe the hooked pegged away from the hook, makes for less snags then the
flosser rips the line in. As to salmon and eggs. I have heard that a
salmon will pick up an egg and try to rebury it.

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"briansfly" wrote in message
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rb608 wrote:
briansfly wrote:

If it's pegged
closer, or on the hook, the bead is more likely to be swallowed, and
deep hook/injure the fish.


Based on my experience w/ Great Lakes salmon, that's unlikely. I've
caught lots of salmon & steelhead on egg patterns tied right on the
hook and never once had a hookup deep in the mouth. On landing the
fish, the fly has always been in the upper or lower jaw. I don't know
how (or why) a salmon eats an egg, but in 12 years of these trips, I've
never caught one that swallowed the fly.

Joe F.


Since I have no experience with pegged, or other plastic beads(I have used
yarn glo bugs), I have to defer to you, and others I read. Here's the
other side of the argument. They say, in Alaska, deep hooking a fish on an
egg pattern isn't that uncommon. With pegged beads, the fish are hooked on
the outside of the mouth. They're talking about protecting trout, not
salmon.

I guess one can assume, trout in Alaska take egg patterns more readily,
simply because of the amount of eggs they see. One could also assume the
guides up in Alaska like pegging beads, because it's so effective for
their clients. Is it lining, or flossing fish..........I don't really
know. I guess technically you can say yes, but if it really keeps the
mortality rate down on pressured fish.......

brians


When I was in AK this summer, all the stores said egg sucking leech for
Dollies. Any thing that looks like an egg.

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JR wrote:
rw wrote:
Scott Seidman wrote:

New York defines "foul hooked" as "not hooked IN (emphasis added) the
mouth".

Oooooo! New York! **** New York. Those are the regs in Alaska.

Alaska has very few regulations, but I'm not surprised that "****
New York" is one of those few....

One suspects that watching it being enforced will provide a most
amusing spectacle.

Wolfgang
ey, i gotcher salmon right here!