ON TOPIC: Connetquot River Cleanup , New York
 

DaveS wrote in news:9a3b6ed5-9392-4bdd-912f-
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On Sep 19, 1:00*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Scott
What ever did you find out?
Dave


My DEC contact was too busy dealing w/ the fallout to attend the meeting,
but I did find out they lost their license to operate the hatchery-- I
thought they lost their stocking permit. They can still stock, and plan
to, from certified sources. My understanding is that the park is at no
risk, as substantial NY legislation needs to be rewritten and passed to
change its status.

I expect to see this guy on Nov 7. There was a story this week in NY
Outdoor News, but nothing really new.



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Connetquot
 

Scott Seidman wrote in
. 1.4:

Connetquot fish hatchery to close for 5 years


By way of follow-up, I saw the guy that signs the hatchery permits this
weekend, and he is spending a ton of time on this in communication with
the Parks Department. It's a real problem. By NY State regs, this IVP
is one of seven diseases which prevent fish from being stockable. I also
spoke w/ some Long Islanders.

Connetquot is not the Connetquot I fished 30 years ago, or even ten years
ago. It is overstocked to hell and back, to the point of being far from
a wild fishery. The LI'ers tell me that they put 30-50 thousand fish in
a 1.8 mile stretch of the stream. They stock so heavily that the insect
life is not sufficient to feed the fish. If you hook a brookie, all the
other brookies swarm it to fight it for the pellet they think it found!
"You can walk across their backs", and "this isn't a real fishing
experience" were phrases I heard over and over.

This far-from-natural environment, of course, turns this stream into a
disease factory.

My DEC contact tells me he is getting enormous pressure from many
directions to allow the stocking, including all the State Senators from
that region, but he's digging his heels in. He says that there are
hatchery managers who have wiped out year classes for smaller problems
than what's going on in this hatchery to stay in compliance, and PA
hatchery managers just dying to be allowed to sell IVP infected stockies
in NY. This guy heads the DEC hatcheries, and he says (and in fact has)
killed year classes in infected hatcheries in the DEC system.
Unfortunately, this Parks hatchery is on the river itself, and using
contaminated water--- it would be a major project to rectify this. They
are, however, perfectly free to stock healthy fish. I hope they would
choose to stock less, though.


The local's fear is that this is physically close to a naturally
reproducing native brookie population on the Carman's, and those "in the
know" hope that the DEC can continue honor their state mandate to protect
that population.


At the moment, I believe the park manager has lifted the 2-fish creel
limit.


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Connetquot
 

On Nov 10, 5:11*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:

Thank you Scott.
Dave

Connetquot
 

How sad to read this.

I also fished that river over 30 years ago. If it is the same river I
am thinking of, it was private property for quite some time, owned by
some south shore sportsmans club. When it first opened to the public,
it was truly a quality fishery.

Richard F.

On 11 Nov 2008 01:11:13 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote in
.1.4:

Connetquot fish hatchery to close for 5 years


By way of follow-up, I saw the guy that signs the hatchery permits this
weekend, and he is spending a ton of time on this in communication with
the Parks Department. It's a real problem. By NY State regs, this IVP
is one of seven diseases which prevent fish from being stockable. I also
spoke w/ some Long Islanders.

Connetquot is not the Connetquot I fished 30 years ago, or even ten years
ago. It is overstocked to hell and back, to the point of being far from
a wild fishery. The LI'ers tell me that they put 30-50 thousand fish in
a 1.8 mile stretch of the stream. They stock so heavily that the insect
life is not sufficient to feed the fish. If you hook a brookie, all the
other brookies swarm it to fight it for the pellet they think it found!
"You can walk across their backs", and "this isn't a real fishing
experience" were phrases I heard over and over.

This far-from-natural environment, of course, turns this stream into a
disease factory.

My DEC contact tells me he is getting enormous pressure from many
directions to allow the stocking, including all the State Senators from
that region, but he's digging his heels in. He says that there are
hatchery managers who have wiped out year classes for smaller problems
than what's going on in this hatchery to stay in compliance, and PA
hatchery managers just dying to be allowed to sell IVP infected stockies
in NY. This guy heads the DEC hatcheries, and he says (and in fact has)
killed year classes in infected hatcheries in the DEC system.
Unfortunately, this Parks hatchery is on the river itself, and using
contaminated water--- it would be a major project to rectify this. They
are, however, perfectly free to stock healthy fish. I hope they would
choose to stock less, though.


The local's fear is that this is physically close to a naturally
reproducing native brookie population on the Carman's, and those "in the
know" hope that the DEC can continue honor their state mandate to protect
that population.


At the moment, I believe the park manager has lifted the 2-fish creel
limit.


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