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On Jan 27, 9:21*pm, Kevin Vang wrote:

I know how you feel, but here's a more positive way to look at it:
This dude clearly had at least $400,000 more than he needed, and he
just transferred all that wealth to a large group of caterers, chefs,
waiters, musicians, parking valets, photographers, seamstresses and
taylors, florists, bartenders, and probably a lot more that I can't
think of off the top of my head. *Not to mention the farmers, ranchers,
fishermen, and brewers, vintners, and distillers that produced all of
the ingredients for the food and drink, and so on and on and on...
A lot of people probably had food and medicine _because_ he was
willing to blow all his dough.

This is objectionable not because the money was spent, but that it was
spent so conspiculously, on television no less! This crass display of
materialism is like the potlach ceremonies of the Native Americans in
the Pacific Northwest. They would actually destroy valuable goods to
show how rich and powerful they were.

As a counterexample, Warren Buffett is widely admired not because he
is wealthy and knows so well how to make more money, but because
despite that he lives unostentatiously.

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So far the U.S. government has allocated $700 billion to bail
out our banks. It turns out that total could amount to merely
drops in the ocean of red ink.


“The amount of working capital you'd expect the government to
take into this would be around $3 trillion to $4 trillion,” Simon
Johnson, former chief economist of the International Monetary
Fund, tells Fortune magazine.

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In 6 years, Bush borrowed about $780 billion for the Iraq war. Obama
proposes to borrow a trillion dollars EACH YEAR for the forseeable
future on top of the existing budget. There is an enormous diff
tween
borrowing 780 billion over 6 years and borrowing a TRILLION MORE EACH
YEAR. I realize Libs cannot do math but at least try

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way to go Hussein...nice work

-----news snip-----------------------
A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that
the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would
provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the
left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation
for massive voter fraud.

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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
way to go Hussein...nice work

-----news snip-----------------------
A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that
the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would
provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the
left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation
for massive voter fraud.

way to go Beancounter, for repeating an obvious flat-out lie. I must be a
nice role, serving as our house idiot.
Tom

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love is blind .... ea tom?





On Jan 28, 2:38*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ...

way to go Hussein...nice work

-----news snip-----------------------
A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that
the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would
provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the
left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation
for massive voter fraud.

way to go Beancounter, for repeating an obvious flat-out lie. I must be a
nice role, serving as our house idiot.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
love is blind .... ea tom?

Idiot, what you claimed simply is not true. Please provide link to the
actual wording of the proposed legislation to prove otherwise. Pure and
simple: you are a liar.
Tom

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Larry L" wrote


Well in the Arnold case,




FWIW, Arnold has proven to be a better governor than I would have ever
guessed and it' interesting that his "own' party is the main reason he
can't govern better ... ah, in the opinion of many observers from the
extreme middle, not just me


Larry L ( who also will point out that he thinks that at the national
level, the Dem congress are being foolish in many ways... at least enough
so to equal the 'other side' )


Being a California social liberal and fiscal conservative. Sort of old
style Democrat. I will state Arnold is a disaster. He has a line item veto
and did not use it enough. The budget was $69 Billion dollars 8 years ago.
Now we are talking a $40 billion deficit. If the budget had grown at the
rate of inflation and population growth, we would be talking about the $10
billion surplus. The Teachers union convinced the idiots to vote that 1/2
the budget went to education. No strings attached, no guarantee of
improvement in teaching results. So they now get $40 billion more than 8
years ago and the schools still suck. But we do have state unions that
contributed to the election funds of the correct politician (can you say
bribe?) and now get way more money than they deserve! Average prison guard
starts at $80k and goes up from there. Just one of the examples. We need
to toss all the overpaid legislators in this state and go back to a part
time, citizen legislature. Maybe they would be responsive to the people.
Why can not the state cut spending? Just like every person in the country
does when they run short on money. Renegotiate the overpaid contracts.
Where has the money gone the last 8 years? The last 4 years? It has not
been on infrastructure. Not on game wardens. DF&G is a prime example.
Davis put in his political crony as the head. Then they hired about 60
highpaid attorneys. They had more legal staff than wardens in the field.
go back to the budget of 1997 before the dot.com boom and use that as a base
and allow inflation and population growth for all facits of the budget.
That is the amount of money they get to squander.

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On Jan 29, 9:23*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
love is blind *.... * ea *tom?

Not as blind as hatred, apparently.

FWIW, yes, ARRA2009 does include monies for neighborhood political
advocacy groups, but its not limited to ACORN. Right-wingers are
welcome to access the funds. Its called 'democracy'...unless what you
want is the money banned from anyone who disagrees with your political
POV. There are names for that process, too...and strangely enough,
those are the same names that you call people who you oppose. You are
your own enemy...funny, eh?

But to accuse ACORN of being the big recipient is quite misleading.
For starters, why don't you define who 'ACORN' is for us? Hint: it's a
they.

--riverman

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On Jan 29, 9:26*pm, riverman wrote:
On Jan 29, 9:23*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:

love is blind *.... * ea *tom?

Not as blind as hatred, apparently.

Oh, and here's ACORN's response to your drivel.

From the ACORN website:

"Statement from ACORN Chief Organizer Bertha Lewis in Response to
Statement from U.S. Rep. John Boehner
January 28, 2009

Earlier this week, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) released
a statement inveighing against the developing economic recovery bill
and using ACORN as the poster child for his opposition. "Incredibly,
the Democrats' bill makes groups like ACORN eligible for a $4.19
billion pot of money for 'neighborhood stabilization activities'," the
press release rather breathlessly stated. This obfuscation was picked
up across the right-wing echo chamber and has been used as a fig leaf
by conservatives in their attempts to justify their opposition to
progressive economic policies.

In response to Mr. Boehner's statement, ACORN CEO and Chief Organizer
Bertha Lewis said:

"We are disappointed to see that Representative Boehner is
uninterested in helping President Obama and Congress create or save 3
to 4 million jobs. The Economic Recovery Package focuses on
investments that create jobs, and ACORN's 400,000 member families
think that is the right focus. Rep. Boehner's accusations are, as with
anything he says about ACORN, divorced from reality.

"In fact, ACORN has worked for years to open access to working class
homeownership on fair terms and warned against predatory lending long
before the issue made headlines. We watch with bemusement as he tries
to gin up opposition to progressive solutions to America's deep
economic crisis by accusing ACORN of doing something we have never
done. We have not received neighborhood stabilization funds, have no
plans to apply for such funds, and didn't weigh in on the pending rule
changes.

"Rep. Boehner would do better to focus on the very real issues facing
working families in his district."