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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:50:38 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"SnakeFiddler" wrote in message
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...in the last two
weeks I have seen the Return of The King four times, and hope not to be
through with it yet! What I have not told him-for fear he will learn the
truth of my insanity- is that in the last two weeks I have also re-watched
extended versions of the first two LOTR films on dvd twice each! Great
stuff.

So Op- who were you referring to when you said shed not tears for me, for
my
name is not Strider....

the web sites were nice- good commentary on Tolkien and this work.
Tolkien
makes many great statements on the human condition and the condition of
the
social and political world in this story. So, while this stuff is
enormously entertaining, there is much more to taken from it.

Snakefiddler- thinking of joining a 12 step LOTR program

Before you make a habit of introducing yourself to a room full of strangers
and are forced to make a weekly decision about whether you are more bored by
repeating your story ad infinitum or by listening to theirs, you might want
to have a look at "J.R.R. Tolkein's The Lord of the Rings", one of the
"Modern Critical Interpretations" series. This volume, a collection of
scholarly essays, is edited and contains and introduction by Harold Bloom.
I haven't read it myself yet (currently in number six position on the to be
read list), but if you're interested in Tolkien's work as anything more than
a pleasant diversion you'll probably find it illuminating.

2000
Chelsea House Publishers
ISBN 0-7910-5665-1

You might also find an exploration of Tolkien's relationship with C.S Lewis
interesting.

Wolfgang


As much as I liked Tolkien, I always disliked C.S. Lewis. While it was
obvious that Tolkien's world was a conservative one ( Hell, conservative
doesn't come close. Medievalist is more accurate), he didn't cram it down
your throat. With Lewis I always felt I was being force fed his religion.
That and I think Tolkien was a far superior writer.

g.c.

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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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As much as I liked Tolkien, I always disliked C.S. Lewis. While it was
obvious that Tolkien's world was a conservative one ( Hell, conservative
doesn't come close. Medievalist is more accurate), he didn't cram it down
your throat. With Lewis I always felt I was being force fed his religion.
That and I think Tolkien was a far superior writer.

Despite some obvious similarities (not surprising since Lewis and Tolkien
were friends and conversed regularly about their work) The Lord of the Rings
and the Narnia books are also vastly different works in many ways.
Nevertheless, they invite comparison for a number of reasons, the
relationship between their authors looming large among them. Scholars,
again not surprisingly, have not hesitated to take up the gauntlet and, as
Mr. Lincoln said, for those who like that sort of thing, that's just the
sort of thing they like.

Personally, I think you've distilled the argument and the majority
conclusion (as well as mine) about as nicely and succinctly as it can be
done. You will probably burn in hell. :)

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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As much as I liked Tolkien, I always disliked C.S. Lewis. While it was
obvious that Tolkien's world was a conservative one ( Hell, conservative
doesn't come close. Medievalist is more accurate), he didn't cram it
down
your throat. With Lewis I always felt I was being force fed his
religion.
That and I think Tolkien was a far superior writer.

Despite some obvious similarities (not surprising since Lewis and Tolkien
were friends and conversed regularly about their work) The Lord of the
Rings
and the Narnia books are also vastly different works in many ways.
Nevertheless, they invite comparison for a number of reasons, the
relationship between their authors looming large among them. Scholars,
again not surprisingly, have not hesitated to take up the gauntlet and, as
Mr. Lincoln said, for those who like that sort of thing, that's just the
sort of thing they like.

Personally, I think you've distilled the argument and the majority
conclusion (as well as mine) about as nicely and succinctly as it can be
done. You will probably burn in hell. :)

Wolfgang


Wolfgang Wrote:
You will probably burn in Hell. :)

In the fine company of the manipulating Mr. Wormwood, no doubt!

Snake-

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"SnakeFiddler" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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As much as I liked Tolkien, I always disliked C.S. Lewis. While it was
obvious that Tolkien's world was a conservative one ( Hell,
conservative
doesn't come close. Medievalist is more accurate), he didn't cram it
down
your throat. With Lewis I always felt I was being force fed his
religion.
That and I think Tolkien was a far superior writer.

Despite some obvious similarities (not surprising since Lewis and
Tolkien
were friends and conversed regularly about their work) The Lord of the
Rings
and the Narnia books are also vastly different works in many ways.
Nevertheless, they invite comparison for a number of reasons, the
relationship between their authors looming large among them. Scholars,
again not surprisingly, have not hesitated to take up the gauntlet and,
as
Mr. Lincoln said, for those who like that sort of thing, that's just the
sort of thing they like.

Personally, I think you've distilled the argument and the majority
conclusion (as well as mine) about as nicely and succinctly as it can be
done. You will probably burn in hell. :)

Wolfgang


Wolfgang Wrote:
You will probably burn in Hell. :)

In the fine company of the manipulating Mr. Wormwood, no doubt!

Snake-

Snake Wrote:
In the fine company of the manipulating Mr. Wormwood no doubt.

correction- Mr. Screwtape!

Snakefiddler- ooops- wouldn't want to slander poor Wormwood!

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Jonathan Cook wrote:
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BTW, I have never been able to appreciate poetry, and the poems in
LOTR just didn't do anything for me. I'd love to hear comments about
them from those out there who _like_ poetry. Are they "good"? ...

I *love* poetry. Tolkein's "poems" in LOTR are god-awful. IMHO, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
Jonathan Cook wrote:
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BTW, I have never been able to appreciate poetry, and the poems in
LOTR just didn't do anything for me. I'd love to hear comments about
them from those out there who _like_ poetry. Are they "good"? ...

I *love* poetry.

Me too. I especially like the ones about the people from Nantucket.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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As much as I liked Tolkien, I always disliked C.S. Lewis. While it was
obvious that Tolkien's world was a conservative one ( Hell, conservative
doesn't come close. Medievalist is more accurate), he didn't cram it
down
your throat. With Lewis I always felt I was being force fed his
religion.
That and I think Tolkien was a far superior writer.

Despite some obvious similarities (not surprising since Lewis and Tolkien
were friends and conversed regularly about their work) The Lord of the
Rings
and the Narnia books are also vastly different works in many ways.
Nevertheless, they invite comparison for a number of reasons, the
relationship between their authors looming large among them. Scholars,
again not surprisingly, have not hesitated to take up the gauntlet and, as
Mr. Lincoln said, for those who like that sort of thing, that's just the
sort of thing they like.

Personally, I think you've distilled the argument and the majority
conclusion (as well as mine) about as nicely and succinctly as it can be
done. You will probably burn in hell. :)

Wolfgang

Wolfgang Wrote:
The Lord of the Rings and Narnai books.....

Speaking of the Chronicles of Narnia, several years ago I was in a
reataurant in Sarnia, Ontario called Aslan's. I was tickled pink when I
recieved an affirmative answer to my question of whether it was named for
Aslan, the lovable lion in the Narnia books. Pretty cool.

Snakefiddler-

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in message ...
Jonathan Cook wrote:
...
BTW, I have never been able to appreciate poetry, and the poems in
LOTR just didn't do anything for me. I'd love to hear comments about
them from those out there who _like_ poetry. Are they "good"? ...

I *love* poetry. Tolkein's "poems" in LOTR are god-awful. IMHO, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

ditto.

yfitons
wayno

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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
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(George Cleveland) wrote in message
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As much as I liked Tolkien, I always disliked C.S. Lewis. While it was
obvious that Tolkien's world was a conservative one ( Hell, conservative
doesn't come close. Medievalist is more accurate), he didn't cram it
down
your throat. With Lewis I always felt I was being force fed his
religion.
That and I think Tolkien was a far superior writer.

Never got around to _The_Silmarillon_ (sp?), did 'ya? Heavy sleep
inducer...

No doubt about it, CS Lewis was a Christian apologist, and made no
attempt to hide it.

BTW, I have never been able to appreciate poetry, and the poems in
LOTR just didn't do anything for me. I'd love to hear comments about
them from those out there who _like_ poetry. Are they "good"? Did
they add to your appreciation of the story? Anything else?

Jon.

Jonathon Cook Wrote:
Never got around to_The_Silmarillin_ (sp?), did 'ya.
Heavy sleep inducer...

I have not read the Silmarillion-(correct spelling :), but my Aunt and
Uncle -in-law, who are nothing short of Tolkien scholars, have read the
Silmariliion many times and according them , while it is not essential to
have read it to understand The Lord of the Rings, there are numerous
overlaps and connections between the two, therefore a reading of the
Silmarillion would enhance an appreciation for LOTR.

As for the poetry in LOTR, I quite like it. Tolkien has a gift for inducing
visions of grace and beauty, as well as terror and ugliness in the poetry
found in this body of work. Another nice thing about it is that since the
poetry is placed in context, it is easy to understand, and nicely enhances
relative passages.
The songs, which I guess can also be considered poetry, are beautiful as
well.

Snake-