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On 2010-04-13 19:16:20 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said:

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010041217585150878-dplacourse@aolcom...

like I said, Dave, I've seen both of you up close and personal. I've talked
and shared meals with both of you. I 've talked politics and world affairs
with both of you. You don't come close, either intellectually or
in terms of ethics and character. No Kool Aid here, dude,
just personal experience and sound judgement.
Tom

What the hell are you smoking? I'm not the veep, nor am I running FOR
veep. I'm not qualified (nor are you) for ANY office. You are
comparing me to the veep. Wow. I should feel flattered, I guess, but
I'm not. You have no where to go with this, so you are attacking my
intelligence as compared to the veep. Wow.

No one gets to his old age and expects to be ok unless he plans. I
planned. And I planned well. You will probably go down the road that
another fool has travelled .... bringing up my lovely and intellegent
wife. Don't bother. That won't work either. If she and I split
today, we would split our pensions - she gets hers and I get mine. I'd
still be successful, Tom, with millions saved. I always have been. I
was very successful in the military and extremely successful at my
civilian job. A stupid person doesn't succeed. A stupid person doesn't
plan. A stupid person doesn't excel as his work. I have planned,
excelled, and succeeded. I'm no more stupid than you are. Different
politics, maybe, but I didn't have any leftwing profs brainwashing me
in some lib arts school.

Bottom line: Your hero has always wanted to be in the WH but could
never make it, OR even come close. Why? Because of his presentations.
He's an idiot. He'll always be the "wooda, cooda, shooda" guy and
people like you will support the putz. Wake up

Dave

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010041320021577923-dplacourse@aolcom...
You will probably go down the road that
another fool has travelled .... bringing up my lovely and intellegent
wife.

never occurred to me. You were disrespecting a man I happen to know. I
called you on it. What on earth would Joanne have to do with it?

I'd still be successful, Tom, with millions saved.

funny how you equate money with success. Sad, too, but you'll never get why.

Bottom line: Your hero has always wanted to be in the WH but could never
make it, OR even come close. Why? Because of his presentations. He's an
idiot. He'll always be the "wooda, cooda, shooda" guy and people like you
will support the putz. Wake up

actually, Joe has my utmost respect for a few reasons. First, he has served
honestly, and with dignity, the State of Delaware for years. He never did it
to get rich, get famous or aggrandize himself in any way. Unlike a lot of
politicians I've encountered, the man is self-effacing in a true and honest
manner, and that counts for something with me. He's never really been driven
to be President, but sort of got talked into running(twice) by others with
some clout, to counter less sincere candidates, more divisive candidates(ok,
I'm talking about Ms Clinton and
Mr Dean, primarily). I really think his selection by Obama astounded him as
much as anyone else. A discussion with him reveals a keen mind, which
understands the complexities and nuance of international relations, and a
deep overall grasp of the nation's issues and empathy for everyday
Americans. It goes beyond politics....Joe is a real guy. And, yes, he shoots
his damn mouth off at times like a real guy. He's gotten my votes and my
support since I was 18, and I could give a rat's ass if you agree. To
dismiss him as an idiot demonstrates a lack of character and level of
stupidity all the money you can muster won't help you overcome, David. Sad,
like I said.....
Tom

Riiiight.

This guy's track record is so gawd damned awful it's beyond the pale.
A few minutes perusing Google leads one to realize he is one totally
****ed-in-the-head "person" with more hate than ten thousand combined
souls on their very worst day.

Doesn't sound like "success" from here - sounds more like someone who
glommed onto a "sugar momma" and realizes everyone around him knows
it.

If this bag o' crap keeps spewing at this rate everyone here will have
to wear scuba gear soon.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:36:57 -0400, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010041320021577923-dplacourse@aolcom...
You will probably go down the road that
another fool has travelled .... bringing up my lovely and intellegent
wife.

never occurred to me. You were disrespecting a man I happen to know. I
called you on it. What on earth would Joanne have to do with it?

I'd still be successful, Tom, with millions saved.

funny how you equate money with success. Sad, too, but you'll never get why.

Bottom line: Your hero has always wanted to be in the WH but could never
make it, OR even come close. Why? Because of his presentations. He's an
idiot. He'll always be the "wooda, cooda, shooda" guy and people like you
will support the putz. Wake up

actually, Joe has my utmost respect for a few reasons. First, he has served
honestly, and with dignity, the State of Delaware for years. He never did it
to get rich, get famous or aggrandize himself in any way. Unlike a lot of
politicians I've encountered, the man is self-effacing in a true and honest
manner, and that counts for something with me. He's never really been driven
to be President, but sort of got talked into running(twice) by others with
some clout, to counter less sincere candidates, more divisive candidates(ok,
I'm talking about Ms Clinton and
Mr Dean, primarily). I really think his selection by Obama astounded him as
much as anyone else. A discussion with him reveals a keen mind, which
understands the complexities and nuance of international relations, and a
deep overall grasp of the nation's issues and empathy for everyday
Americans. It goes beyond politics....Joe is a real guy. And, yes, he shoots
his damn mouth off at times like a real guy. He's gotten my votes and my
support since I was 18, and I could give a rat's ass if you agree. To
dismiss him as an idiot demonstrates a lack of character and level of
stupidity all the money you can muster won't help you overcome, David. Sad,
like I said.....
Tom

As sort of a joint reply to you both...

First, Louie...Joe Biden has become a modern public figure and the VPOTUS, so
his every word, letter, email, phone call and fart is subjected to "sound bite
scrutiny" by every dip**** who managed to get a press pass and further
"analyzed" by every dingleberry with a blog or other 'net outlet who managed to
read the aforementioned "scrutiny." And no, no real reporter/journalist has any
interest in the minutiae of his every utterance and move. So, um, big ****in'
deal - he's human and occasionally makes human mistakes.

That said, Tom...I haven't bothered in the past, nor do I intend at this point
to do any in-depth research into Joe Biden's entire life. I'll take your word
that he is a more-or-less honest pol (at least as pols generally go). And from
what I've seen, he seems to be basically that as well as reasonably sharp guy.
That said, one particular issue I have with him is that _he_ said - not a
"surrogate"/shill/"spokesperson" - that _he_ didn't think Obama was qualified to
be Prez, as well as other statements in a similar vein. He also said,
basically, that he and John McCain were the only two people running that were
fit to be elected. Yet, when Obama called, he joined up. We can debate the
accuracy of those statements Obama being qualified (or "ready," IIRC), but I
think we can agree that assuming Biden was correct/accurate/knew of what he was
speaking and Obama wasn't ready to be Prez in mid-to-late 2007, a few more
months of technically being a first-term US Senator while mostly campaigning for
the job he wasn't ready for wouldn't likely make him (or anyone else) ready. I
have no idea of why he decided to join with Obama - personal ambition, a genuine
desire to help, or whatever reason, nor will I make guesses in this context.

And really, I don't care why anymore than I care about him occasionally letting
a clanger drop. It's done - he's VP, Obama is Prez, and if Obama wasn't ready
before, he will be as "ready" as any person in 2012 - the job may not "lend
itself to on-the-job training," (IIRC, pretty close to Biden's words) but he'll
have gotten it regardless. At that point, the only question will be, "does he
deserve/merit another term?" And I'd hope we would agree that it is simply too
early to tell.

TC,
R

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:54:58 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:

Another thing that argues against Chuchillian authorship.....Churchill
wasn't in the habit of making vacuous proclamations.

It's a shame your intimate familiarity with Sir Winston didn't provide a better
example...but fair's fair - it must have been hard for a young lil' orphan goat
to pay strict attention to each and every of his host's proclamations while
tottering around Chartwell and Blenheim with Churchill in the last of his years,
all the while making an exhaustive study of each and every past proclamation
made before his new young shadow was present to personally note such
proclamation-making...

giles

Sheesh,
R

to RDean:
nothing in your reply strikes me as anything I'd disagree with, especially
the 'too early to tell' stuff.

to David:
I didn't even bother with the matter of working through personal tragedy,
nor the fact that Joe served in the Senate for about 30 years while
returning many evenings and most all weekends, to his family in Delaware.
Once again, it's about personal character.

Tom

On 2010-04-14 05:31:05 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said:

I didn't even bother with the matter of working through personal tragedy,
nor the fact that Joe served in the Senate for about 30 years while
returning many evenings and most all weekends, to his family in Delaware.
Once again, it's about personal character.

RDean brought up what I was about to: Biden said at one of the debates
between the Dem canidates that Obama was not ready to be president,
that he lacked the necessary experience. When Obama was selected as
the Dem's candidate, Biden accepted the offer to run as veep. THAT
showed lack of character.

Yeah, Biden was fortunate that DC isn't too far from Delaware and could
return during personal tragedy. I couldn't do that for 20 years. I
had an uncle die, the man that taught me hunting and gun safety. I was
in Japan. He was like a father. I had to grieve alone and not with my
parents and aunt. My first wife's dad died while I was in the Azores
during the Cuban missle crisis. We were short handed and had to go to
a three section watch. I couldn't escort my wife and daughter to his
funeral. I had to grieve alone.

During Clinton's years, wasn't it you and others that said character
doesn't matter? BTW, I'd druther Clinton than any other Dem.

Dave

On 2010-04-13 21:36:57 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said:

funny how you equate money with success. Sad, too, but you'll never get why.

Money is only part of it, Tom. A stupid man does not get rich
honestly, unless it is by the lottery. I won no lottery. I worked
hard and invested.

I think I have had a very successful life, first and foremost because
of my children. A man could not have two finer kids than my girls.
They in turn have become very successful and have raised some kids with
the potential to also be successful. I leave this world far better
than I found it knowing that they will flourish and help others.

Biden acts like an idiot, Tom. He makes Quayle look like a genius.
What was it he said recently about the veep office......"It's like
being a grandfather. I don't have anything to do." Really?

Dave

Here's but one opinion, Tom, before I head out for work:

"In my humble opinion, success cannot be measured in the material
things that I have, nor can it be measured by my job title (and I have
a lot of those). To me, success is an inside job. To be successful you
must FEEL successful on the INSIDE.

"You can have all the money, houses and status that you like, but if
you do not FEEL successful on the inside, then you will feel like a
hamster running on itâ€™s wheel in a cage. Youâ€™ll be chasing success all
your life and will never achieve it.

"Easy for me to say right?

"Listen, Iâ€™ve been in your shoes and have been on the brink of despair
many times. I have been in the eye of the storm more times that I care
to count. I have lived through a dark childhood, I have seen negative
numbers in my bank account, and I have seen the loss of both my parents
to name a few. I made it through to the other side because I never gave
up, and I decided to change how I felt about it all.

"You see when life gets you down and throws you to the ground, you have
two choices â€¦ you can lie down there and wallow in it and feel sorry
for yourself, or you can get up. I chose to get up."

Well said, Katherine Giovanni.

And I intend to continue to rise inspite of all the stones thrown at me
on this forum.

Dave