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On 30 Jan 2004 17:39:21 GMT, Scott Seidman
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On 30 Jan 2004 16:53:54 GMT, Scott Seidman
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:05:58 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
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JR wrote:
gary wrote [sic]:

Don't like the pressure on our natural resourse? Then write and
demand immigratiion reform. Not Bushes either.

Thanks, Gary, but I've already written and demanded that
troglodyte racist ****heads not be allowed to fish, hunt, pick
their noses, defecate, or breathe anywhere near any of our natural
resources.

I figure that should leave LOTS of room for the rest of us.

Wouldn't it be pretty to think so, but I'm afraid there are more
racist scum like gary than you'd imagine. They don't crawl out from
under their rocks very often, but still they lie buried in the filth
of the American psyche festering and oozing in the pus of their
hate-filled ignorance.


how is asking for immgration reform racist?

Asking for immigration reform is not, in itself, racists. Linking it
to natural resource use, though, is an interesting link.

The more problems a person tends to blame on "them", the more
questionable the motivation

Scott


Of what "race" are "them"?


Pick your favorite. It makes little difference, so long as "them" is not
"us". It's just too easy to pass the buck, and blame your situation on
others.

Scott

OK........ all illegal immagrants... how is that racist ?

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rw wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:

Asking for immigration reform is not, in itself, racists. Linking it to
natural resource use, though, is an interesting link.

It's a natural and appropriate link. Natural resource use is directly
related to population growth. Immigration (legal and illegal) is the
major source of population growth in the US.

Waste and selfishness are directly related to natural resource use too,
and immigration is not the only source (or even the only "major" source)
of population growth.

What's not racist is: "Don't like pressure on natural resources?
Combating ignorance, waste, corporate greed, government policies that
discourage conservation, and population growth is the answer."

"Don't like pressure on natural resources? Write and demand immigration
reform!" is code, pure and simple. It means exactly the same thing as:

"Don't like crowded classrooms? Demand immigration reform!"

"Don't like people using government services but not paying their
taxes? Demand immigration reform!"

"Don't like crime and drugs? Demand immigration reform!"

It's disingenuous BS spewn by those racists who haven't got the balls to
speak what's really on their minds.

JR

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In article , JR wrote:

gary wrote [sic]:

Don't like the pressure on our natural resourse? Then write and demand
immigratiion reform. Not Bushes either.


Thanks, Gary, but I've already written and demanded that troglodyte
racist ****heads not be allowed to fish, hunt, pick their noses,
defecate, or breathe anywhere near any of our natural resources.

I figure that should leave LOTS of room for the rest of us.

Please explain how immigration reform is racist? If you are from mexico
and have a green card and are working legally, great. If you are from
England and working illegally, you should be sent back to England. I
never understand how Mexican oranizations are for illegal immigrants to
flagrantly disregard the law.

Do you see people against Mexican's who have legally followed the law
and have a green card working here? I havent. It all about those who
break the law.

--
"Those that would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor
security." T. Jefferson
"Those who are ready to sacrifice freedom for security
ultimately will lose both" - Abraham Lincoln

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steve sullivan wrote:

Do you see people against Mexican's who have legally followed the law
and have a green card working here? I havent. It all about those who
break the law.

Friend, if you believe there aren't millions of people "against"
Mexicans with legal green cards, and even against legal immigrants who
are now U.S. citizens, then your grasp on reality is as shaky as your
understanding of the use of the apostrophe.

JR

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Scott Seidman wrote:

Census bureau estimates show that the natural increase (births-deaths)
exceeds the net migration by more than 50%, at least between 2000 and 2001.
Immigration is certainly a major player, but not --the-- major player.
Given the current birth rates, the US tops the list of developed nations at
2.1 births per woman.

U.S. fertility is slightly less than replacement level and has not
exceeded replacement level since 1972. In fact, immigration is BY FAR
the most important factor in US population growth.

This web site presents what I think is a fair and responsible overview
of the problem:

http://www.susps.org/overview/immigration.html


In addition, I'm not sure that Natural resource use is directly related to
population growth in the US in this global economy. Think about how much
of our forests get exported. You might be able to better link natural
resource use and world population, but it might not make that much of a
difference where the people are actually located. I might be able to float
the argument that its the rich people and corporations in the world that
use much of the resources, and that poor illegals contribute more to food
production than food and resource consumption.

Just because I'm concerned about population growth in the US, that
doesn't mean I think that world-wide population growth isn't a problem.

I think population growth is a problem as well. I have no kids. How many
do you have?

I have two children. Does that make me less qualified than you to have
an opinion?

Clearly, immigration is a hot-button issue. Some racists use
"immigration reform" as a code word for a racist agenda. That doesn't
mean that everyone who is concerned about immigration policy a racist.
It seems like even the mention of immigration as a problem has become an
offense to political correctness. That sucks.

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Wow is there nothing you guys won't bite on?

I posted the link as a little penence for driving my F250 diesel the
whopping 1.3 miles to my place of work.
like it or not everybody plays on both sides of the energy debate

I guess I can take comfort in the fact that you guys are stuck inside typing
and not out clogging a river somewhere

gone fishin'
t.

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rw wrote:

This web site presents what I think is a fair and responsible overview
of the problem:

http://www.susps.org/overview/immigration.html

A fair and responsible (and impartial) overview of the *situation* is
more likely to be had--and less likely to be based on skewed
"statistics"--from a group that hasn't already decided that the
situation, whatever it is, is a *problem* to be labeled (as in their
graphic on the site you posted) "Our lost future".

JR
(who nevertheless admires the fair and responsible color scheme of said
graphic)

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rw wrote:

I have two children. Does that make me less qualified than you to have
an opinion?

Heavens no. But like being a Californian muttering "I got mine" all the
way to the Idaho idyll, it's got a certain trout-in-the-milk quality to
it.

JR

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:


"Immigration Reform" on the face of it, is no more racist than
"State's Rights" but both are codewords for a racist agenda and
I don't make a distinction between those who espouse a racist
agenda and racists.

When you conflate "Immigration Reform" with overpopulation, you're
a racist. Period, end of paragraph.


That's an illogical statement. Although racists can and do make
statements linking immigration to our population growth, it's illogical
to assume the converse - that someone linking immigration to population
growth is a racist.


Willi

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rw wrote:
...
This web site presents what I think is a fair and responsible overview
of the problem:

http://www.susps.org/overview/immigration.html
...

Nobody within twenty miles of a clue has cited the thoroughly discredited
Paul Ehrlich for years now. Your "fair and responsible overview" is crap.
Try here instead:

http://www.overpopulation.com/

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Ken Fortenberry