Tiny screws
 

On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:
On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:





On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.
However, the key piece of the mechanism is a tiny little left-hand
thread stainless screw that I seem to have lost...I have all the other
parts in pristine condition.

I've contacted the manufacturer, and he does not make this reel any
more, nor does he have any parts lying around and did not have (or was
unwilling to locate) records of who made this part for him. I've also
been to about a half-dozen hardware stores and I always get the same
frustrating conversation:
"Don't have that. What's it for?"
"Its a drag mechanism off a fly reel."
"Oh, go to a fishing shop, then."

As if a fishing shop will have a random left hand stainless screw
lying about (I've checked about 10 fishing shops, and they tell me to
go to a hardware store.

So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this? I am imagining a shop that sells electronic parts, or maybe a
manufacturer of screws. But this is all a bit mysterious to me. The
screw is probably about 1mm across, about 3mm long, and left hand
thread. I don't even know the thread size...I need a shop that can
help me sort all this out. Ideas?

--riverman

It's going to be pretty hard to find a screw unless you know what size it is.
Based on your general description, I'd look for a 1.4mm, 0-80, and 1-72 (all
should be pretty easy to find) and see if they look about right, diameter-wise.
If they do, then you'll need to find them LH thread. *While the corner store
won't have them, a 'net search ought to turn them up. *The other alternative is
to find someone with a really complete set of taps (or a gauge set) and size the
hole. *And if they have the tap, likely as not, they'll have the die and can
make the screw. *They also may be able to retap the hole and supply a screw of
that size. *What they'll charge to do any of that is another matter. *If is
aluminum and you can easily get to it with a standard tap, you can probably do
it yourself - just get a slightly larger screw and matching tap. *I doubt that
Rolex will have such a large (in watchmaker's terms) screw, but a
watch/clockmaker (a repair shop, not a manufacturer) might. *If you want to try,
start out with a "calendar gear screw" (it's LH). *And even if that will work
and Rolex can supply it, you'd have to go through a dealer and I think the price
might, um, well, surprise you - it might be well over $50USD by the time you
have it sitting in front of you.

But here's the thing, IMO. *You've got an odd-ball reel by what amounts to a
no-name company who can't supply parts on something that apparently isn't all
that old OR even give the specs. *The only "Stealth" reel I'd ever heard of was
an Abu, so I Googled them. *If this:

WXW.stealth.co.za *(note munging on addy)

is the company, well, frankly, they seem like George's S. African cousins
(although I doubt they'll be carrying the Black *******...at least for very
long...). *Anyhoo, I'd say either keep the reel and use it, considering it a
lesson learned, or, sell the thing with full disclosure, and again, consider it
lesson learned. *Frankly, what's this thing worth on the market, even complete?
I mean, why spend $100USD in time and even $10USD in parts/work to fix a 50USD
reel that does work as-is, even if not quite as it left whatever low-bidding
factory made it?

TC,
R

Hmm, lots of points to consider. You have the right website, and yes,
there is a great degree of self-promotion and arrogance associated
with the company, but nonetheless, Stealth rods and reels are actually
quite acclaimed in South Africa, which (granted) represents a rather
closed and isolated market. That particular 'We are the Universe'
attitude is quite prevalent there. As is (with the drag mechanism in a
baggie and full disclosure), and to someone who knows the product, its
probably worth about $75, with the drag reattached about $25 or $30
more. To someone who doesn't know the product...I'm sure the value
would be about $75 or $100 less. Some people are hard to separate from
the affliction of brand name recognition. But its a tight little well-
made reel. I just don't have much use for it any more.

I see that Stealth now makes a "CAS-1" reel that looks to have the
same drag mechanism...at least from the pictures, so I've asked for
them to send me the center screw for that. Probably run me about 10
cents plus a stamp...we'll see. If that doesn't work, I might ask them
to just look in their records and send me the specs. Or maybe even
post on a SA fishing website and ask someone else who has this reel to
measure the thread count and tell me the specs. I am fairly certain
that this will be a standard LHT screw...it just makes no sense for
them to have custom-made something as straightforward as this for
their reel. My problem was mostly in finding a supply of tiny screws
to use for comparisons.

Anyway, as always...thanks for your input. The beat goes on...

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't think they Stealth would have had a unique design and
manufacture a reel for that small of a market. Some of the reels on
their website look very familiar. If you look at your reel and start
looking at catalogs you may find the very same reel made by someone
else. One of the reels on their website looked like an Okuma I was
going to buy once. 90%+ of reeks are made in china why not the
Stealth? Stealth probably refers to the way they got into the
country.

Tiny screws
 

On Jul 20, 5:09*pm, BJConner wrote:
On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:



On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.

Tiny screws
 

On Jul 20, 10:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jul 20, 5:09*pm, BJConner wrote:



On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:

On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.
However, the key piece of the mechanism is a tiny little left-hand
thread stainless screw that I seem to have lost...I have all the other
parts in pristine condition.

I've contacted the manufacturer, and he does not make this reel any
more, nor does he have any parts lying around and did not have (or was
unwilling to locate) records of who made this part for him. I've also
been to about a half-dozen hardware stores and I always get the same
frustrating conversation:
"Don't have that. What's it for?"
"Its a drag mechanism off a fly reel."
"Oh, go to a fishing shop, then."

As if a fishing shop will have a random left hand stainless screw
lying about (I've checked about 10 fishing shops, and they tell me to
go to a hardware store.

So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this? I am imagining a shop that sells electronic parts, or maybe a
manufacturer of screws. But this is all a bit mysterious to me. The
screw is probably about 1mm across, about 3mm long, and left hand
thread. I don't even know the thread size...I need a shop that can
help me sort all this out. Ideas?

--riverman

It's going to be pretty hard to find a screw unless you know what size it is.
Based on your general description, I'd look for a 1.4mm, 0-80, and 1-72 (all
should be pretty easy to find) and see if they look about right, diameter-wise.
If they do, then you'll need to find them LH thread. *While the corner store
won't have them, a 'net search ought to turn them up. *The other alternative is
to find someone with a really complete set of taps (or a gauge set) and size the
hole. *And if they have the tap, likely as not, they'll have the die and can
make the screw. *They also may be able to retap the hole and supply a screw of
that size. *What they'll charge to do any of that is another matter. *If is
aluminum and you can easily get to it with a standard tap, you can probably do
it yourself - just get a slightly larger screw and matching tap. *I doubt that
Rolex will have such a large (in watchmaker's terms) screw, but a
watch/clockmaker (a repair shop, not a manufacturer) might. *If you want to try,
start out with a "calendar gear screw" (it's LH). *And even if that will work
and Rolex can supply it, you'd have to go through a dealer and I think the price
might, um, well, surprise you - it might be well over $50USD by the time you
have it sitting in front of you.

But here's the thing, IMO. *You've got an odd-ball reel by what amounts to a
no-name company who can't supply parts on something that apparently isn't all
that old OR even give the specs. *The only "Stealth" reel I'd ever heard of was
an Abu, so I Googled them. *If this:

WXW.stealth.co.za *(note munging on addy)

is the company, well, frankly, they seem like George's S. African cousins
(although I doubt they'll be carrying the Black *******...at least for very
long...). *Anyhoo, I'd say either keep the reel and use it, considering it a
lesson learned, or, sell the thing with full disclosure, and again, consider it
lesson learned. *Frankly, what's this thing worth on the market, even complete?
I mean, why spend $100USD in time and even $10USD in parts/work to fix a 50USD
reel that does work as-is, even if not quite as it left whatever low-bidding
factory made it?

TC,
R

Hmm, lots of points to consider. You have the right website, and yes,
there is a great degree of self-promotion and arrogance associated
with the company, but nonetheless, Stealth rods and reels are actually
quite acclaimed in South Africa, which (granted) represents a rather
closed and isolated market. That particular 'We are the Universe'
attitude is quite prevalent there. As is (with the drag mechanism in a
baggie and full disclosure), and to someone who knows the product, its
probably worth about $75, with the drag reattached about $25 or $30
more. To someone who doesn't know the product...I'm sure the value
would be about $75 or $100 less. Some people are hard to separate from
the affliction of brand name recognition. But its a tight little well-
made reel. I just don't have much use for it any more.

I see that Stealth now makes a "CAS-1" reel that looks to have the
same drag mechanism...at least from the pictures, so I've asked for
them to send me the center screw for that. Probably run me about 10
cents plus a stamp...we'll see. If that doesn't work, I might ask them
to just look in their records and send me the specs. Or maybe even
post on a SA fishing website and ask someone else who has this reel to
measure the thread count and tell me the specs. I am fairly certain
that this will be a standard LHT screw...it just makes no sense for
them to have custom-made something as straightforward as this for
their reel. My problem was mostly in finding a supply of tiny screws
to use for comparisons.

Anyway, as always...thanks for your input. The beat goes on...

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you know what kind of screw it is your looking for? *IE: *Round
head, flat head, pan head socket head, slotted, phillips or torqx?
If the hole is deep enough you can use a flat piece of nylon or other
plastic and thread it down the hole and accurately determine the pitch
and outside thread diameter. Cut the flat piece wih a truncated point
so it will start down the hole. Go as far as you can and then back it
out.
Metric threads are designate MXX-YY *where XX is the outside diameter
of the threads and YY is the pitch ( distance between threads. *If you
can identify for certain what it is you may have to order only once.
That is if you can find a source.
Then again it could be a Whitworth thread or even a Panzer thread.

...or screw a toothppick down and back and find one of those guys that
plays with the teeny-tiny metal working tools and have him make you
some.

cheers

oz

Any machine shops in your area? They should be able to very quickly
tell you the exact size of the screw, and tell you where you can get
one. As was mentioned, McMaster-Carr would be the first place I would
look. If you have to get one made, it will cost you more than the reel
is worth, unless you have a buddy who is a machinist/toolmaker.

Tiny screws
 

On Jul 21, 7:07*am, george9219 wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:





On Jul 20, 5:09*pm, BJConner wrote:

On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:

On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.
However, the key piece of the mechanism is a tiny little left-hand
thread stainless screw that I seem to have lost...I have all the other
parts in pristine condition.

I've contacted the manufacturer, and he does not make this reel any
more, nor does he have any parts lying around and did not have (or was
unwilling to locate) records of who made this part for him. I've also
been to about a half-dozen hardware stores and I always get the same
frustrating conversation:
"Don't have that. What's it for?"
"Its a drag mechanism off a fly reel."
"Oh, go to a fishing shop, then."

As if a fishing shop will have a random left hand stainless screw
lying about (I've checked about 10 fishing shops, and they tell me to
go to a hardware store.

So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this? I am imagining a shop that sells electronic parts, or maybe a
manufacturer of screws. But this is all a bit mysterious to me. The
screw is probably about 1mm across, about 3mm long, and left hand
thread. I don't even know the thread size...I need a shop that can
help me sort all this out. Ideas?

--riverman

It's going to be pretty hard to find a screw unless you know what size it is.
Based on your general description, I'd look for a 1.4mm, 0-80, and 1-72 (all
should be pretty easy to find) and see if they look about right, diameter-wise.
If they do, then you'll need to find them LH thread. *While the corner store
won't have them, a 'net search ought to turn them up. *The other alternative is
to find someone with a really complete set of taps (or a gauge set) and size the
hole. *And if they have the tap, likely as not, they'll have the die and can
make the screw. *They also may be able to retap the hole and supply a screw of
that size. *What they'll charge to do any of that is another matter. *If is
aluminum and you can easily get to it with a standard tap, you can probably do
it yourself - just get a slightly larger screw and matching tap. *I doubt that
Rolex will have such a large (in watchmaker's terms) screw, but a
watch/clockmaker (a repair shop, not a manufacturer) might. *If you want to try,
start out with a "calendar gear screw" (it's LH). *And even if that will work
and Rolex can supply it, you'd have to go through a dealer and I think the price
might, um, well, surprise you - it might be well over $50USD by the time you
have it sitting in front of you.

But here's the thing, IMO. *You've got an odd-ball reel by what amounts to a
no-name company who can't supply parts on something that apparently isn't all
that old OR even give the specs. *The only "Stealth" reel I'd ever heard of was
an Abu, so I Googled them. *If this:

WXW.stealth.co.za *(note munging on addy)

is the company, well, frankly, they seem like George's S. African cousins
(although I doubt they'll be carrying the Black *******...at least for very
long...). *Anyhoo, I'd say either keep the reel and use it, considering it a
lesson learned, or, sell the thing with full disclosure, and again, consider it
lesson learned. *Frankly, what's this thing worth on the market, even complete?
I mean, why spend $100USD in time and even $10USD in parts/work to fix a 50USD
reel that does work as-is, even if not quite as it left whatever low-bidding
factory made it?

TC,
R

Hmm, lots of points to consider. You have the right website, and yes,
there is a great degree of self-promotion and arrogance associated
with the company, but nonetheless, Stealth rods and reels are actually
quite acclaimed in South Africa, which (granted) represents a rather
closed and isolated market. That particular 'We are the Universe'
attitude is quite prevalent there. As is (with the drag mechanism in a
baggie and full disclosure), and to someone who knows the product, its
probably worth about $75, with the drag reattached about $25 or $30
more. To someone who doesn't know the product...I'm sure the value
would be about $75 or $100 less. Some people are hard to separate from
the affliction of brand name recognition. But its a tight little well-
made reel. I just don't have much use for it any more.

I see that Stealth now makes a "CAS-1" reel that looks to have the
same drag mechanism...at least from the pictures, so I've asked for
them to send me the center screw for that. Probably run me about 10
cents plus a stamp...we'll see. If that doesn't work, I might ask them
to just look in their records and send me the specs. Or maybe even
post on a SA fishing website and ask someone else who has this reel to
measure the thread count and tell me the specs. I am fairly certain
that this will be a standard LHT screw...it just makes no sense for
them to have custom-made something as straightforward as this for
their reel. My problem was mostly in finding a supply of tiny screws
to use for comparisons.

Anyway, as always...thanks for your input. The beat goes on...

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you know what kind of screw it is your looking for? *IE: *Round
head, flat head, pan head socket head, slotted, phillips or torqx?
If the hole is deep enough you can use a flat piece of nylon or other
plastic and thread it down the hole and accurately determine the pitch
and outside thread diameter. Cut the flat piece wih a truncated point
so it will start down the hole. Go as far as you can and then back it
out.
Metric threads are designate MXX-YY *where XX is the outside diameter
of the threads and YY is the pitch ( distance between threads. *If you
can identify for certain what it is you may have to order only once.
That is if you can find a source.
Then again it could be a Whitworth thread or even a Panzer thread.

...or screw a toothppick down and back and find one of those guys that
plays with the teeny-tiny metal working tools and have him make you
some.

cheers

oz

Any machine shops in your area? They should be able to very quickly
tell you the exact size of the screw, and tell you where you can get
one. As was mentioned, McMaster-Carr would be the first place I would
look. If you have to get one made, it will cost you more than the reel
is worth, unless you have a buddy who is a machinist/toolmaker.

All great ideas! I like the 'screw a piece of plastic or toothpick
into the hole' idea. Once I know the exact size of the screw, getting
a replacement will be an easy task. Thanks all...hadn't throught of
those ideas for sizing it.

--riverman

Tiny screws
 

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:48:20 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:

On Jul 21, 7:07*am, george9219 wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:





On Jul 20, 5:09*pm, BJConner wrote:

On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:

On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.
However, the key piece of the mechanism is a tiny little left-hand
thread stainless screw that I seem to have lost...I have all the other
parts in pristine condition.

I've contacted the manufacturer, and he does not make this reel any
more, nor does he have any parts lying around and did not have (or was
unwilling to locate) records of who made this part for him. I've also
been to about a half-dozen hardware stores and I always get the same
frustrating conversation:
"Don't have that. What's it for?"
"Its a drag mechanism off a fly reel."
"Oh, go to a fishing shop, then."

As if a fishing shop will have a random left hand stainless screw
lying about (I've checked about 10 fishing shops, and they tell me to
go to a hardware store.

So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this? I am imagining a shop that sells electronic parts, or maybe a
manufacturer of screws. But this is all a bit mysterious to me. The
screw is probably about 1mm across, about 3mm long, and left hand
thread. I don't even know the thread size...I need a shop that can
help me sort all this out. Ideas?

--riverman

It's going to be pretty hard to find a screw unless you know what size it is.
Based on your general description, I'd look for a 1.4mm, 0-80, and 1-72 (all
should be pretty easy to find) and see if they look about right, diameter-wise.
If they do, then you'll need to find them LH thread. *While the corner store
won't have them, a 'net search ought to turn them up. *The other alternative is
to find someone with a really complete set of taps (or a gauge set) and size the
hole. *And if they have the tap, likely as not, they'll have the die and can
make the screw. *They also may be able to retap the hole and supply a screw of
that size. *What they'll charge to do any of that is another matter. *If is
aluminum and you can easily get to it with a standard tap, you can probably do
it yourself - just get a slightly larger screw and matching tap. *I doubt that
Rolex will have such a large (in watchmaker's terms) screw, but a
watch/clockmaker (a repair shop, not a manufacturer) might. *If you want to try,
start out with a "calendar gear screw" (it's LH). *And even if that will work
and Rolex can supply it, you'd have to go through a dealer and I think the price
might, um, well, surprise you - it might be well over $50USD by the time you
have it sitting in front of you.

But here's the thing, IMO. *You've got an odd-ball reel by what amounts to a
no-name company who can't supply parts on something that apparently isn't all
that old OR even give the specs. *The only "Stealth" reel I'd ever heard of was
an Abu, so I Googled them. *If this:

WXW.stealth.co.za *(note munging on addy)

is the company, well, frankly, they seem like George's S. African cousins
(although I doubt they'll be carrying the Black *******...at least for very
long...). *Anyhoo, I'd say either keep the reel and use it, considering it a
lesson learned, or, sell the thing with full disclosure, and again, consider it
lesson learned. *Frankly, what's this thing worth on the market, even complete?
I mean, why spend $100USD in time and even $10USD in parts/work to fix a 50USD
reel that does work as-is, even if not quite as it left whatever low-bidding
factory made it?

TC,
R

Hmm, lots of points to consider. You have the right website, and yes,
there is a great degree of self-promotion and arrogance associated
with the company, but nonetheless, Stealth rods and reels are actually
quite acclaimed in South Africa, which (granted) represents a rather
closed and isolated market. That particular 'We are the Universe'
attitude is quite prevalent there. As is (with the drag mechanism in a
baggie and full disclosure), and to someone who knows the product, its
probably worth about $75, with the drag reattached about $25 or $30
more. To someone who doesn't know the product...I'm sure the value
would be about $75 or $100 less. Some people are hard to separate from
the affliction of brand name recognition. But its a tight little well-
made reel. I just don't have much use for it any more.

I see that Stealth now makes a "CAS-1" reel that looks to have the
same drag mechanism...at least from the pictures, so I've asked for
them to send me the center screw for that. Probably run me about 10
cents plus a stamp...we'll see. If that doesn't work, I might ask them
to just look in their records and send me the specs. Or maybe even
post on a SA fishing website and ask someone else who has this reel to
measure the thread count and tell me the specs. I am fairly certain
that this will be a standard LHT screw...it just makes no sense for
them to have custom-made something as straightforward as this for
their reel. My problem was mostly in finding a supply of tiny screws
to use for comparisons.

Anyway, as always...thanks for your input. The beat goes on...

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you know what kind of screw it is your looking for? *IE: *Round
head, flat head, pan head socket head, slotted, phillips or torqx?
If the hole is deep enough you can use a flat piece of nylon or other
plastic and thread it down the hole and accurately determine the pitch
and outside thread diameter. Cut the flat piece wih a truncated point
so it will start down the hole. Go as far as you can and then back it
out.
Metric threads are designate MXX-YY *where XX is the outside diameter
of the threads and YY is the pitch ( distance between threads. *If you
can identify for certain what it is you may have to order only once.
That is if you can find a source.
Then again it could be a Whitworth thread or even a Panzer thread.

...or screw a toothppick down and back and find one of those guys that
plays with the teeny-tiny metal working tools and have him make you
some.

cheers

oz

Any machine shops in your area? They should be able to very quickly
tell you the exact size of the screw, and tell you where you can get
one. As was mentioned, McMaster-Carr would be the first place I would
look. If you have to get one made, it will cost you more than the reel
is worth, unless you have a buddy who is a machinist/toolmaker.

All great ideas! I like the 'screw a piece of plastic or toothpick
into the hole' idea. Once I know the exact size of the screw, getting
a replacement will be an easy task. Thanks all...hadn't throught of
those ideas for sizing it.

--riverman

The only potential drawback to that method is that you're dealing with _very_
small threading that can be easily mismeasured with such, and because the sizes
in that range have very small differences, it won't likely be evident. IOW, for
example, if you took such a "casting" of a larger threading, say an 8-32 (which
is still small, but not THAT small), and the "cast" was imprecise, with the
imprecise measurement indicating it could be anything from a 7.9-29 to an 8.2-34
(both would be custom-made and pointless in the vast majority of applications),
deduction would strongly indicate it was, in fact, the 8-32. But when you get
down to 0-80 or 1-64 (or in the 1.2M-1.4M - metric) sizes, the differences are
in the 1/100 of an inch range (or, obviously, fractions of a mm in metric).

As to McMaster-Carr, I think what's gonna hurt you with places like that is the
combination of sizing AND LH threading, and topped off with the fact even if
they have it, you'll likely have to buy a box of 50-100 or more. And no such
place will be able to more than sell you a range of likely candidates or a shop
assortment box until you know the _exact_ size. Frankly, if it were me and the
price difference was only the 25USD, I'd sell it for the $75.00 as-is with
disclosure and move on. My guess is that you'll have at least half of that in
it even if you knew exactly what you needed and McMaster (or similar) had a box
sitting on the shelf awaiting your order, and at least double or triple that in
time trying to measure it, order it, etc., but hey, YMMV.

If you are determined to fix it, I'd first take it to a clock and watch repair
shop and see what they can figure out, or, simply take a chance and see if you
can find someone with a LH assortment and see if they'll just let you have one
of each in the probable size range (it'll only be one of about 4-6 screws, if
standard size flat head, based on your 1mm x 3mm description). And one last
little spanner in the works - any idea what the head configuration is - flat,
undercut, etc.?

TC,
R

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:54:20 -0700 (PDT), BJConner wrote:



I don't think they Stealth would have had a unique design and
manufacture a reel for that small of a market. Some of the reels on
their website look very familiar. If you look at your reel and start
looking at catalogs you may find the very same reel made by someone
else. One of the reels on their website looked like an Okuma I was
going to buy once. 90%+ of reeks are made in china why not the
Stealth?

Stealth probably refers to the way they got into the
country.

Well, that's one guess - mine would be that Stealth is the mode the company goes
into when asked for a part for something not currently being foisted on
unsuspecting Rivermen...

Geez, it's like Apple - our **** is the best, you can only get parts for about 5
minutes after we **** you with it and then, only from us if we choose to offer
any, and if it doesn't work, it's clearly your fault because you don't know how
to hold it, you idiot...hmmm....I wonder if Jobs and George had a baby and hid
it away in S. Africa - say, Myron, these ****ers don't sell over-priced
computers and MP3 players, silly-assed "reading devices" and crappy phones, too,
do they...?

TC,
R

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On Jul 21, 10:11*am, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:48:20 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Jul 21, 7:07*am, george9219 wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:

On Jul 20, 5:09*pm, BJConner wrote:

On Jul 20, 8:42*am, riverman wrote:

On Jul 20, 4:09*pm, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:46:44 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
In the vein of topic headings with double meanings....

I have a 4wt Stealth reel that I picked up in South Africa a handful
of years back. The drag mechanism was always problematic, so I took it
off and have been palming the reel, which works just fine and has
landed some very large fish (just ask Roger). However, I might want to
sell it, and a prospective owner will certainly want to know about the
little hole where the drag mechanism goes, so I am putting it back on.
However, the key piece of the mechanism is a tiny little left-hand
thread stainless screw that I seem to have lost...I have all the other
parts in pristine condition.

I've contacted the manufacturer, and he does not make this reel any
more, nor does he have any parts lying around and did not have (or was
unwilling to locate) records of who made this part for him. I've also
been to about a half-dozen hardware stores and I always get the same
frustrating conversation:
"Don't have that. What's it for?"
"Its a drag mechanism off a fly reel."
"Oh, go to a fishing shop, then."

As if a fishing shop will have a random left hand stainless screw
lying about (I've checked about 10 fishing shops, and they tell me to
go to a hardware store.

So my question: where does someone go to find a tiny little screw like
this? I am imagining a shop that sells electronic parts, or maybe a
manufacturer of screws. But this is all a bit mysterious to me. The
screw is probably about 1mm across, about 3mm long, and left hand
thread. I don't even know the thread size...I need a shop that can
help me sort all this out. Ideas?

--riverman

It's going to be pretty hard to find a screw unless you know what size it is.
Based on your general description, I'd look for a 1.4mm, 0-80, and 1-72 (all
should be pretty easy to find) and see if they look about right, diameter-wise.
If they do, then you'll need to find them LH thread. *While the corner store
won't have them, a 'net search ought to turn them up. *The other alternative is
to find someone with a really complete set of taps (or a gauge set) and size the
hole. *And if they have the tap, likely as not, they'll have the die and can
make the screw. *They also may be able to retap the hole and supply a screw of
that size. *What they'll charge to do any of that is another matter. *If is
aluminum and you can easily get to it with a standard tap, you can probably do
it yourself - just get a slightly larger screw and matching tap. *I doubt that
Rolex will have such a large (in watchmaker's terms) screw, but a
watch/clockmaker (a repair shop, not a manufacturer) might. *If you want to try,
start out with a "calendar gear screw" (it's LH). *And even if that will work
and Rolex can supply it, you'd have to go through a dealer and I think the price
might, um, well, surprise you - it might be well over $50USD by the time you
have it sitting in front of you.

But here's the thing, IMO. *You've got an odd-ball reel by what amounts to a
no-name company who can't supply parts on something that apparently isn't all
that old OR even give the specs. *The only "Stealth" reel I'd ever heard of was
an Abu, so I Googled them. *If this:

WXW.stealth.co.za *(note munging on addy)

is the company, well, frankly, they seem like George's S. African cousins
(although I doubt they'll be carrying the Black *******...at least for very
long...). *Anyhoo, I'd say either keep the reel and use it, considering it a
lesson learned, or, sell the thing with full disclosure, and again, consider it
lesson learned. *Frankly, what's this thing worth on the market, even complete?
I mean, why spend $100USD in time and even $10USD in parts/work to fix a 50USD
reel that does work as-is, even if not quite as it left whatever low-bidding
factory made it?

TC,
R

Hmm, lots of points to consider. You have the right website, and yes,
there is a great degree of self-promotion and arrogance associated
with the company, but nonetheless, Stealth rods and reels are actually
quite acclaimed in South Africa, which (granted) represents a rather
closed and isolated market. That particular 'We are the Universe'
attitude is quite prevalent there. As is (with the drag mechanism in a
baggie and full disclosure), and to someone who knows the product, its
probably worth about $75, with the drag reattached about $25 or $30
more. To someone who doesn't know the product...I'm sure the value
would be about $75 or $100 less. Some people are hard to separate from
the affliction of brand name recognition. But its a tight little well-
made reel. I just don't have much use for it any more.

I see that Stealth now makes a "CAS-1" reel that looks to have the
same drag mechanism...at least from the pictures, so I've asked for
them to send me the center screw for that. Probably run me about 10
cents plus a stamp...we'll see. If that doesn't work, I might ask them
to just look in their records and send me the specs. Or maybe even
post on a SA fishing website and ask someone else who has this reel to
measure the thread count and tell me the specs. I am fairly certain
that this will be a standard LHT screw...it just makes no sense for
them to have custom-made something as straightforward as this for
their reel. My problem was mostly in finding a supply of tiny screws
to use for comparisons.

Anyway, as always...thanks for your input. The beat goes on...

--riverman- Hide quoted text -

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Do you know what kind of screw it is your looking for? *IE: *Round
head, flat head, pan head socket head, slotted, phillips or torqx?
If the hole is deep enough you can use a flat piece of nylon or other
plastic and thread it down the hole and accurately determine the pitch
and outside thread diameter. Cut the flat piece wih a truncated point
so it will start down the hole. Go as far as you can and then back it
out.
Metric threads are designate MXX-YY *where XX is the outside diameter
of the threads and YY is the pitch ( distance between threads. *If you
can identify for certain what it is you may have to order only once.
That is if you can find a source.
Then again it could be a Whitworth thread or even a Panzer thread.

...or screw a toothppick down and back and find one of those guys that
plays with the teeny-tiny metal working tools and have him make you
some.

cheers

oz

Any machine shops in your area? They should be able to very quickly
tell you the exact size of the screw, and tell you where you can get
one. As was mentioned, McMaster-Carr would be the first place I would
look. If you have to get one made, it will cost you more than the reel
is worth, unless you have a buddy who is a machinist/toolmaker.

All great ideas! I like the 'screw a piece of plastic or toothpick
into the hole' idea. Once I know the exact size of the screw, getting
a replacement will be an easy task. Thanks all...hadn't throught of
those ideas for sizing it.

--riverman

The only potential drawback to that method is that you're dealing with _very_
small threading that can be easily mismeasured with such, and because the sizes
in that range have very small differences, it won't likely be evident. *IOW, for
example, if you took such a "casting" of a larger threading, say an 8-32 (which
is still small, but not THAT small), and the "cast" was imprecise, with the
imprecise measurement indicating it could be anything from a 7.9-29 to an 8.2-34
(both would be custom-made and pointless in the vast majority of applications),
deduction would strongly indicate it was, in fact, the 8-32. *But when you get
down to 0-80 or 1-64 (or in the 1.2M-1.4M - metric) sizes, the differences are
in the 1/100 of an inch range (or, obviously, fractions of a mm in metric).

As to McMaster-Carr, I think what's gonna hurt you with places like that is the
combination of sizing AND LH threading, and topped off with the fact even if
they have it, you'll likely have to buy a box of 50-100 or more. *And no such
place will be able to more than sell you a range of likely candidates or a shop
assortment box until you know the _exact_ size. Frankly, if it were me and the
price difference was only the 25USD, I'd sell it for the $75.00 as-is with
disclosure and move on. *My guess is that you'll have at least half of that in
it even if you knew exactly what you needed and McMaster (or similar) had a box
sitting on the shelf awaiting your order, and at least double or ...

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Exactly right. You need to know the EXACT SIZE and PITCH of the screw.
Basically, I would give up and either keep the reel and use as is, or
sell it for what you can get. The plasic/toothpic method is not
precise enough. A machine shop could make an accurate cast and
determine size and pitch, but, at US hourly rates, that would likely
cost between $100 and $200, and you still wouldn't have the screw. The
cheapest alternative would be to have the hole opened up, retapped to
the next size, and purchase the proper screw. Here again, you're
looking at more than the reel is worth.

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rdean asked:
And one last
little spanner in the works - any idea what the head configuration is - flat,
undercut, etc.?


Not such a big issue. There's nothing for the head of the screw to hit
against, and a washer sits under it. So I'm looking for anything with
a flat bottom and a head wider than its body. (No jokes please)

--riverman

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Did anyone notice that the discussion about the screw is much, much
longer than the screw itself? Kinda like when I was dating.
Frank Reid

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On 2010-07-21 10:58:03 -0400, george9219 said:

Exactly right. You need to know the EXACT SIZE and PITCH of the screw.
Basically, I would give up and either keep the reel and use as is, or
sell it for what you can get. The plasic/toothpic method is not
precise enough. A machine shop could make an accurate cast and
determine size and pitch, but, at US hourly rates, that would likely
cost between $100 and $200, and you still wouldn't have the screw. The
cheapest alternative would be to have the hole opened up, retapped to
the next size, and purchase the proper screw. Here again, you're
looking at more than the reel is worth.

IOW, give the reel, AS IS, to someone who would appreciate it. (One of
your students?)

Lesson learned? d;o(

Dave (ProblemsolvingRus)