Dragons!
 

On 8/30/2010 7:38 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-30 16:02:02 -0400, jeff said:

On 8/30/2010 3:40 PM, Bill Grey wrote:
darning

Never heard of Damsellies bing called darning needles here in the UK.
However to distinguish Dragons from Damsels, Dragonflies hold their
wings
out sideways when they are resting. Damsels wings lie along the
length of
their bodies when at rest - something dragon's can't do.

Bill



damsellies...i like that.

fawn lake in yellowstone is chock-a-block with the damsels.

You're full of it, Miller. Fortenberry *swears* there is NO Fawn Lake in
Yellowstone. grin

Dave



i reckon those tweren't damsellies neither, eh? g

jeff

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On Aug 30, 2:40*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 18, 4:32 pm, D. LaCourse wrote:

There are probably some regional variations, but in my experience,
"darning needles" seems typically to refer not to dragonflies so much
as to damselflies.....a distinction that is probably lost on most
people since they don't seem to be aware of the difference. *The
"blue" ones (which I distinctly remember as "darning needles" from my
childhood) are mostly members of the genus Ischnura, many of whose
common names are one or another kind of "bluet." *Damsels, even as
compared to dragons, have an exceptionally long and slender abdomen,
thus giving rise to comaprison with darning needles (which,
incidentally, are pretty much a thing of the past in Murrica.....and
presumably in the rest of the "developed" world.....most of whose
residents under thirty or so probably have never seen it done and
don't know what the term darning refers to).
darning

Never heard of Damsellies bing called *darning needles here in the UK.

Well, I never heard of darning needles referred to as either
dragonflies OR damselflies back in the days when we younguns were
terrified by them here in Murrica. But my memory, faulty as it may
be, still dredges up images of what I now know to be various members
of the Ischnura tribe when I hear or see "darning needles."

However to distinguish Dragons from Damsels, Dragonflies hold their wings
out sideways when they are resting. Damsels wings lie along the length of
their bodies when at rest - something dragon's can't do.

Most damsels behave that way, not all. See the aptly named
spreadwings (family Lestidae) for examples.

giles

Dragons!
 

On Aug 30, 7:16*pm, jeff wrote:
On 8/30/2010 7:38 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:





On 2010-08-30 16:02:02 -0400, jeff said:

On 8/30/2010 3:40 PM, Bill Grey wrote:
darning

Never heard of Damsellies bing called darning needles here in the UK.
However to distinguish Dragons from Damsels, Dragonflies hold their
wings
out sideways when they are resting. Damsels wings lie along the
length of
their bodies when at rest - something dragon's can't do.

Bill

damsellies...i like that.

fawn lake in yellowstone is chock-a-block with the damsels.

You're full of it, Miller. Fortenberry *swears* there is NO Fawn Lake in
Yellowstone. grin

Dave

i reckon those tweren't damsellies neither, eh? g

jeff

No lakie, no damsellie.

giles

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On 8/31/2010 7:50 AM, Bill Grey wrote:
wrote in message
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On 8/30/2010 5:56 PM, Bill Grey wrote:
wrote in message
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On 8/30/2010 3:40 PM, Bill Grey wrote:
darning

Never heard of Damsellies bing called darning needles here in the UK.
However to distinguish Dragons from Damsels, Dragonflies hold their
wings
out sideways when they are resting. Damsels wings lie along the length
of
their bodies when at rest - something dragon's can't do.

Bill



damsellies...i like that.

Sorry for the typo, I'm not sure if I meant damsels or damsel flies. Put
it
own to old age:-)

Bill


aw hell bill...you had me. i had no idea it was a typo. i figured it was
something uniquely english or welsh. i loved it! anyway, i truly liked
it, and i'm taking it for my own...whenever i see those lovely blue bugs,
"damsellies" it will be from now on. ...and i'll put it down to welch
poetry!

jeff

For what it's worth Jef, Damsellies - the nymphs that is, tied with olive
coloured material such as Marabou then using a old head o get the nymph down
is deadly fished deep and slow.

The marabou tail should be quite long, I forgot ,a hen hackle dyed olive
helps the deception. Finally I use a #10 long shanked hook.

Bill



i don't tie and rarely fish with nymphs when trout fishing, but i'll try
the damsellies. thanks bill.

jeff

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"jeff" wrote in message
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On 8/30/2010 5:56 PM, Bill Grey wrote:
wrote in message
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On 8/30/2010 3:40 PM, Bill Grey wrote:
darning

Never heard of Damsellies bing called darning needles here in the UK.
However to distinguish Dragons from Damsels, Dragonflies hold their
wings
out sideways when they are resting. Damsels wings lie along the length
of
their bodies when at rest - something dragon's can't do.

Bill



damsellies...i like that.

Sorry for the typo, I'm not sure if I meant damsels or damsel flies. Put
it
own to old age:-)

Bill


aw hell bill...you had me. i had no idea it was a typo. i figured it was
something uniquely english or welsh. i loved it! anyway, i truly liked
it, and i'm taking it for my own...whenever i see those lovely blue bugs,
"damsellies" it will be from now on. ...and i'll put it down to welch
poetry!

jeff

For what it's worth Jef, Damsellies - the nymphs that is, tied with olive
coloured material such as Marabou then using a old head o get the nymph down
is deadly fished deep and slow.

The marabou tail should be quite long, I forgot ,a hen hackle dyed olive
helps the deception. Finally I use a #10 long shanked hook.

Bill

Dragons!
 

"Giles" wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 2:40 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 18, 4:32 pm, D. LaCourse wrote:

There are probably some regional variations, but in my experience,
"darning needles" seems typically to refer not to dragonflies so much
as to damselflies.....a distinction that is probably lost on most
people since they don't seem to be aware of the difference. The
"blue" ones (which I distinctly remember as "darning needles" from my
childhood) are mostly members of the genus Ischnura, many of whose
common names are one or another kind of "bluet." Damsels, even as
compared to dragons, have an exceptionally long and slender abdomen,
thus giving rise to comaprison with darning needles (which,
incidentally, are pretty much a thing of the past in Murrica.....and
presumably in the rest of the "developed" world.....most of whose
residents under thirty or so probably have never seen it done and
don't know what the term darning refers to).
darning

Never heard of Damsellies bing called darning needles here in the UK.

Well, I never heard of darning needles referred to as either
dragonflies OR damselflies back in the days when we younguns were
terrified by them here in Murrica. But my memory, faulty as it may
be, still dredges up images of what I now know to be various members
of the Ischnura tribe when I hear or see "darning needles."

However to distinguish Dragons from Damsels, Dragonflies hold their wings
out sideways when they are resting. Damsels wings lie along the length of
their bodies when at rest - something dragon's can't do.

Most damsels behave that way, not all. See the aptly named
spreadwings (family Lestidae) for examples.

giles

Thanks - interesting

Bill

Dragons!
 

On Aug 31, 12:54*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 30, 2:40 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:





"Giles" wrote in message

...
On Aug 18, 4:32 pm, D. LaCourse wrote:

There are probably some regional variations, but in my experience,
"darning needles" seems typically to refer not to dragonflies so much
as to damselflies.....a distinction that is probably lost on most
people since they don't seem to be aware of the difference. The
"blue" ones (which I distinctly remember as "darning needles" from my
childhood) are mostly members of the genus Ischnura, many of whose
common names are one or another kind of "bluet." Damsels, even as
compared to dragons, have an exceptionally long and slender abdomen,
thus giving rise to comaprison with darning needles (which,
incidentally, are pretty much a thing of the past in Murrica.....and
presumably in the rest of the "developed" world.....most of whose
residents under thirty or so probably have never seen it done and
don't know what the term darning refers to).
darning

Never heard of Damsellies bing called darning needles here in the UK.

Well, I never heard of darning needles referred to as either
dragonflies OR damselflies back in the days when we younguns were
terrified by them here in Murrica. *But my memory, faulty as it may
be, still dredges up images of what I now know to be various members
of the Ischnura tribe when I hear or see "darning needles."

However to distinguish Dragons from Damsels, Dragonflies hold their wings
out sideways when they are resting. Damsels wings lie along the length of
their bodies when at rest - something dragon's can't do.

Most damsels behave that way, not all. *See the aptly named
spreadwings (family Lestidae) for examples.

giles

Thanks - interesting

Bill

You're welcome.

Incidentally, Becky and I have quite naturally concentrated our
attention and efforts on local species. I have no idea whether or not
the Lestidae are widely distributed.. They could be worldwide, or
strictly North American, for all I know.

giles

Dragons!
 

"Giles" wrote in message
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On Aug 31, 12:54 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 30, 2:40 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
You're welcome.

Incidentally, Becky and I have quite naturally concentrated our
attention and efforts on local species. I have no idea whether or not
the Lestidae are widely distributed.. They could be worldwide, or
strictly North American, for all I know.

giles

I found this web-site

http://www.dragonflysoc.org.uk/species.html

Bill

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On Sep 8, 12:33*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 31, 12:54 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 30, 2:40 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:

You're welcome.

Incidentally, Becky and I have quite naturally concentrated our
attention and efforts on local species. *I have no idea whether or not
the Lestidae are widely distributed.. *They could be worldwide, or
strictly North American, for all I know.

giles

I found this web-site

http://www.dragonflysoc.org.uk/species.html

Bill

Working strictly from memory, most of the family names are familiar,
as are a few of the genera. Only two species, Anax junius and Pantala
flavescens ring a bell. The latter is not surprising.....I believe it
is considered to the the most widespread dragonfly in the world. Anax
junius, listed as a vagrant from the USA is a bit of a surprise. Even
more surprising is the relative paucity of species. I believe we have
something like 400 species of dragonflies and damselflies here in the
upper Great Lakes region. I would have guessed that the British Isles
would match or exceed that number.

Interesting stuff. Thanks, Bill

giles

Dragons!
 

On Sep 10, 4:02*pm, Giles wrote:
On Sep 8, 12:33*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:





"Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 31, 12:54 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Giles" wrote in message

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On Aug 30, 2:40 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:

You're welcome.

Incidentally, Becky and I have quite naturally concentrated our
attention and efforts on local species. *I have no idea whether or not
the Lestidae are widely distributed.. *They could be worldwide, or
strictly North American, for all I know.

giles

I found this web-site

http://www.dragonflysoc.org.uk/species.html

Bill

Working strictly from memory, most of the family names are familiar,
as are a few of the genera. *Only two species, Anax junius and Pantala
flavescens ring a bell. *The latter is not surprising.....I believe it
is considered to the the most widespread dragonfly in the world. *Anax
junius, listed as a vagrant from the USA is a bit of a surprise. *Even
more surprising is the relative paucity of species. *I believe we have
something like 400 species of dragonflies and damselflies here in the
upper Great Lakes region. *I would have guessed that the British Isles
would match or exceed that number.

Interesting stuff. *Thanks, Bill

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For the Good of the Order: A bit o Biblio

"Nymphs," Schwiebert, Ernest, Winchester Press, 1973. An insanely
obsessive fly fisher's aquatic entomology, w/ realistic illustrations
of the natural, and pattern recipes.

"Aquatic Entomology," McCafferty, W. Patrick, "The fishermen's and
ecologists' illustrated guide to insects and their relatives," Jones
and Bartlett, 1981

Maybe some others here can flesh-out/update this short list.
Additions?

Dave