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just a quick note on the bass event on PIR: it was NOT a TU event; the
main sponsor and organizer was www.flyfishinginmaine.com, essentially
a board very similar to this, with just as diverse a group of members.
FFIM pulled together TU, FFIM, SAM (sportsman's alliance of
maine....essentially the hook & cook, bullet & spin crowd), Maine
IF&W, the Rangeley Region Guides and Sportsman's Association and
Rangeley Lakes Heritage Trust. 35+ fisherman harvested 85 bass under
very windy conditions. All bass were taken by IF&W biologists to do
scale sampling, aging, egg sampling, etc to further understand the
Rapid bass issue. Other issues with the Rapid aside, this was a
monumental occasion. While 85 bass may be a drop in the bucket, for
once diverse sporting groups in Maine came together with a common
goal, working for the common good, rather than fighting for their own
interests. A problem exists, and many folks are finally stepping up to
do something about it, rather than watching it slide by the wayside.
Many other problems exist within the state of maine; your TU
complaints are valid; i would personally like to see them establish a
sub-group to handle the education of young people and return the main
focus of the group to protection and restoration of Maine's coldwater
fisheries (not that education isn't important, but it seems to have
become the main focus). TU Maine needs to take a more active,
agressive approach IMHO. I also am not sure restoration of Atlantic
Salmon is possible in Maine with so many other limiting factors; we
can't even get paper companies on the Kennebec & Andro to moderately
raise dissolved 02 content (that was shot down recently) to simply
imrove the viability of holdover stocked trout, how can we expect to
restore AS. I digress, however. The Bass Event was a success on the
Rapid; we generated positive publicity to the issue, a diverse groups
of folks came together to help protect a valued resource, and at the
end of Saturday night's conclave festivities, Don Palmer, head of the
Save the Rapid coalition, was presented with a check for over $7000.
to help out Maine's most historic fishery. Not bad out of a bunch of
knuckleheads who post on a Maine fly fishing website, myself included.

Not disagreeing or agreeing with your views on Maine TU, FPL,
development (don't get me started on Plum Creek, they are in the
process of destroying the Roach fishery as we speak), but don't
discount this past weekend's actions. Don't view it as a solution, but
a beggining to helping out one of maine's most treasured resources,
and perhaps a start at helping them all.

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"tim_s" wrote

.. 35+ fisherman harvested 85 bass under
very windy conditions. All bass were taken by IF&W biologists to do
scale sampling, aging, egg sampling, etc to further understand the
Rapid bass issue. Other issues with the Rapid aside, this was a
monumental occasion. While 85 bass may be a drop in the bucket, for
once diverse sporting groups in Maine came together with a common
goal, working for the common good, rather than fighting for their own
interests. A problem exists, and many folks are finally stepping up to
do something about it, rather than watching it slide by the wayside.

\ i'm sorry, but anyone who has ever caught a smallie the same length as
a trout or landlocked salmon will tell you that he *loves* to catch
smallmouth bass. what's the big deal?

wayno

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
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"tim_s" wrote

. 35+ fisherman harvested 85 bass under
very windy conditions. All bass were taken by IF&W biologists to do
scale sampling, aging, egg sampling, etc to further understand the
Rapid bass issue. Other issues with the Rapid aside, this was a
monumental occasion. While 85 bass may be a drop in the bucket, for
once diverse sporting groups in Maine came together with a common
goal, working for the common good, rather than fighting for their own
interests. A problem exists, and many folks are finally stepping up to
do something about it, rather than watching it slide by the wayside.

\ i'm sorry, but anyone who has ever caught a smallie the same length
as
a trout or landlocked salmon will tell you that he *loves* to catch
smallmouth bass. what's the big deal?

Still, ya gotta love that egalité, fraternité, common good ****. It ain't
every day that the vast majority of humanity that is trout fans speak with a
single voice.

Wolfgang

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wayno writes:

i'm sorry, but anyone who has ever caught a smallie the same length as
a trout or landlocked salmon will tell you that he *loves* to catch
smallmouth bass. what's the big deal?

I can't believe you don't know. Bass are a warm water fish and will eat a
fishery to death of all its trout/salman. The Rapid *was* a cold water fishery
without bass. They were illegally introduced to Umbagog in the mid 80s. Maine
has a problem with Bubbuhs who think that bass and pike are more important than
the native fish. Nothing wrong with fishing for bass using any rig you want,
but there is a problem when you try to protect one of the greatest Brook Trout
streams in the country and some asshole introduces bass. You have your
unspoiled Hazel. I have my Rapid which is quickly becoming spoiled. Imagine
bass and pike in Hazel eating all those rainbows and browns. Would you stand
for it? Fish for the bass instead?
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

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Tim S. writes:

just a quick note on the bass event on PIR: it was NOT a TU event;

I know it wasn't. Hope I didn't give anyone that idea. I *am* disgusted,
however, with TU's support of FPL's water flow on the Rapid. We never had
troubles with the bass before because the Rapid was cold water for all of the
summer. Last year the water temp at PIR was approaching 70 during the 3rd week
in June, making it a *warm water* fishery.

I am glad they got so many bass. That surprises me. I hope they did not catch
very many brookies or landlocks.

I have a serendipity trip there next week. A friend was supposed to go last
week but his sister-in-law died. He had to cancel. He won't go alone, so I
"volunteered" to go for a few days. The flow is still 390, but the weather has
been cool. The river will heat up very quickly at that flow rate.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

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(tim_s) wrote in
m:

just a quick note on the bass event on PIR: it was NOT a TU event; the
main sponsor and organizer was www.flyfishinginmaine.com, essentially
a board very similar to this, with just as diverse a group of members.
FFIM pulled together TU, FFIM, SAM (sportsman's alliance of
maine....essentially the hook & cook, bullet & spin crowd), Maine
IF&W, the Rangeley Region Guides and Sportsman's Association and
Rangeley Lakes Heritage Trust.

A good post, and some good news. I wasn't trying to put down the event but
it is remniscent of ****ing into the wind, if the biologists can make some
sense of it that's better news.

TU has lost it, lost it years ago IMHO. YMMV

Flyfish

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Wayne Harrison wrote:

"tim_s" wrote

. 35+ fisherman harvested 85 bass under

very windy conditions. All bass were taken by IF&W biologists to do
scale sampling, aging, egg sampling, etc to further understand the
Rapid bass issue. Other issues with the Rapid aside, this was a
monumental occasion. While 85 bass may be a drop in the bucket, for
once diverse sporting groups in Maine came together with a common
goal, working for the common good, rather than fighting for their own
interests. A problem exists, and many folks are finally stepping up to
do something about it, rather than watching it slide by the wayside.


\ i'm sorry, but anyone who has ever caught a smallie the same length as
a trout or landlocked salmon will tell you that he *loves* to catch
smallmouth bass. what's the big deal?



Our environment isn't managed only for sport fishermen or more
specifically only for the fish you may prefer.

Willi

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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wayno writes:

i'm sorry, but anyone who has ever caught a smallie the same length as
a trout or landlocked salmon will tell you that he *loves* to catch
smallmouth bass. what's the big deal?

I can't believe you don't know. Bass are a warm water fish and will eat a
fishery to death of all its trout/salman. The Rapid *was* a cold water
fishery
without bass. They were illegally introduced to Umbagog in the mid 80s.
Maine
has a problem with Bubbuhs who think that bass and pike are more important
than
the native fish. Nothing wrong with fishing for bass using any rig you
want,
but there is a problem when you try to protect one of the greatest Brook
Trout
streams in the country and some asshole introduces bass. You have your
unspoiled Hazel. I have my Rapid which is quickly becoming spoiled.
Imagine
bass and pike in Hazel eating all those rainbows and browns. Would you
stand
for it? Fish for the bass instead?
Dave

Wanna restore North America to a pristine state? Well, you could start by
getting your murderous fat white evil welfare ass off of it. :)

Oh, and lest anyone should feign shock over the simple truth, allow me to
point out that:

A: Dave has explicitly stated support for an illegal action in which a lot
of people's grandchildren have been sent to occupy another sovereign nation
and in the process kill thousands of the grandchildren of many thousands of
other people. Now, I'm no legal expert, but I'm fairly certain that here in
the US, any willful and premeditated illegal action with a high probability
of mortality among the victims and which indisputably results in such
mortality is murder.

B: Dave is most certainly fat. I know.....I've met him.

C: Dave is most certainly white (in the vernacular sense). I know.....I've
met him.

D: Dave has assured me (as well as an individual who once wished him simply
"Peace", and to whom he responded with a hearty "**** your peace") that
human beings are inherently evil. Dave is, to a moral certainty, human.
Ergo, Dave is evil. Incidentally, it necessarily follows that
grandchildren, too, are evil.

E. Dave has been on welfare for virtually all of his adult life.

F: Dave wishes for things to be the way they were.

So, who's got a problem with that? :)

Wolfgang

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wrote:

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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E. Dave has been on welfare for virtually all of his adult life.

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So, who's got a problem with that? :)

Wolfgang

Wolfie,
I'm pretty sure a 20 + year career in the Navy doing SIGINT ain't
welfare.

The other stuff we'll just disagree on and leave it that as I've
decided it's futile to try a persons politics, operating system or
taste in beer.

Allen

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"Allen Epps" wrote in message
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In article , Wolfgang
wrote:

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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E. Dave has been on welfare for virtually all of his adult life.

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So, who's got a problem with that? :)

Wolfgang

Wolfie,
I'm pretty sure a 20 + year career in the Navy doing SIGINT ain't
welfare.

Hm......I guess we just disagree on that one.

The other stuff we'll just disagree on and leave it that as I've
decided it's futile to try a persons politics, operating system or
taste in beer.

Well, if I didn't know better, I'd believe that's about what I've been
saying for the last five years or so. Some of us are just a bit more
verbose about it than others.....um......not that there's anything wrong
with that! Carry on. :)

Wolfgang
with all due respect.....seriously.