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Dave LaCourse wrote: Most vets I know share my views. It isn';t so much what he did in Nam, but what he did when he returned. None of that was honorable. He threw away his medals and then lied about his brothers who were still fighting in Nam. And all for what -- political recognition. Amazing the company we keep, Most folks I know in NC and Florida voted differently then where their state ended up. No "IF about it, Wayne. His own men have said there was no enemy contact when he got his first scratch. None. NO enemy contact. He fired a grenade launcher and it exploded near enough to him for him to pick up a very small pice of its shrapnel. Even the treating doctor said it was US shrapnel. And, you get rice removed from your ass only because you threw a grenade into the rice pile and didn't get away quick enough. Treating doctor said no such thing according to documentation. The citations are there in plain sight. Or are you saying the military lied? Like that never happens eh? His campaign strategy was based on lies from day one. Oh he based it on security, and invasions of sovereign nations based on faulty intelligence? You don't have to answer that. Apples and oranges. Self inflicted wounds do not count. I believe friendly fire wounds would because you are engaging the enemy and mistakes are made. It is not the fact that he received self inflicted wounds (unintentionally), but the fact that he tried to take advantage of it. It says much about his character. I just wanted to hear what you thought on it. Background more than anything else. Been reading the Washington Post take on that former football player's death in Afghanistan? You have no business assaulting his character based on the garbage you've posted and then claiming character. At least Tim posted a rational explanation for his reasons, not that he had to, you alluded to something with the post war protests, fine and dandy reasons. But you need to quit believing all this bull**** Dave unless you are prepared to state that the US Military lied in it's documentation of Kerry's record. Everything written thus far contradicts everything you've posted. More than 100 pages of Kerry's military records have never been released. He refused to have them released. On the one item that he did release, his discharge, the date is stamped long after he got out, and states he got a discharge after a "review by a board of officers". Uh, it don't work that way. A board of officers has nothing to do with your discharge, and it is dated at the time of your discharge, not two years later. I find it very hard to believe that if in the unreleased documents, there was somethign which contradicted everything else released, someone would have got their hands on it and leaked it to someone. Especially in this presidential election. As if I needed proof of your rapid hatred and spewing of misinformation on this issue, you just gave it. Of the released records you speak of, there is a 1966 enlistment contract for a six year committment. A 1970 letter requesting early release from active duty to run for public office. A 1970 letter releasing him from active duty to run for public office and transferring him to the active reserves for the remainder of his committment. A 1972 Letter discharging him from the active reserves and moving him to inactive reserve and a 1978 letter discharging him from the inactive reserve. Without going back and re-reading, I think you have his 1972 discharge letter and the 1970 correspondence confused. Now i have no knowledge nor looked to see if he did any active reserve duties in that 2 year period but the paper trail is in order. Unlike Tim, RW, and Kenny, I like apologies on ROFF. Show some honor and admit your hatred. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote: Most vets I know share my views. It isn';t so much what he did in Nam, but what he did when he returned. None of that was honorable. He threw away his medals and then lied about his brothers who were still fighting in Nam. And all for what -- political recognition. Amazing the company we keep, Most folks I know in NC and Florida voted differently then where their state ended up. No "IF about it, Wayne. His own men have said there was no enemy contact when he got his first scratch. None. NO enemy contact. He fired a grenade launcher and it exploded near enough to him for him to pick up a very small pice of its shrapnel. Even the treating doctor said it was US shrapnel. And, you get rice removed from your ass only because you threw a grenade into the rice pile and didn't get away quick enough. Treating doctor said no such thing according to documentation. The citations are there in plain sight. Or are you saying the military lied? Like that never happens eh? His campaign strategy was based on lies from day one. Oh he based it on security, and invasions of sovereign nations based on faulty intelligence? You don't have to answer that. Apples and oranges. Self inflicted wounds do not count. I believe friendly fire wounds would because you are engaging the enemy and mistakes are made. It is not the fact that he received self inflicted wounds (unintentionally), but the fact that he tried to take advantage of it. It says much about his character. I just wanted to hear what you thought on it. Background more than anything else. Been reading the Washington Post take on that former football player's death in Afghanistan? You have no business assaulting his character based on the garbage you've posted and then claiming character. At least Tim posted a rational explanation for his reasons, not that he had to, you alluded to something with the post war protests, fine and dandy reasons. But you need to quit believing all this bull**** Dave unless you are prepared to state that the US Military lied in it's documentation of Kerry's record. Everything written thus far contradicts everything you've posted. More than 100 pages of Kerry's military records have never been released. He refused to have them released. On the one item that he did release, his discharge, the date is stamped long after he got out, and states he got a discharge after a "review by a board of officers". Uh, it don't work that way. A board of officers has nothing to do with your discharge, and it is dated at the time of your discharge, not two years later. I find it very hard to believe that if in the unreleased documents, there was somethign which contradicted everything else released, someone would have got their hands on it and leaked it to someone. Especially in this presidential election. As if I needed proof of your rapid hatred and spewing of misinformation on this issue, you just gave it. Of the released records you speak of, there is a 1966 enlistment contract for a six year committment. A 1970 letter requesting early release from active duty to run for public office. A 1970 letter releasing him from active duty to run for public office and transferring him to the active reserves for the remainder of his committment. A 1972 Letter discharging him from the active reserves and moving him to inactive reserve and a 1978 letter discharging him from the inactive reserve. Without going back and re-reading, I think you have his 1972 discharge letter and the 1970 correspondence confused. Now i have no knowledge nor looked to see if he did any active reserve duties in that 2 year period but the paper trail is in order. Unlike Tim, RW, and Kenny, I like apologies on ROFF. Show some honor and admit your hatred. |
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Wayne Knight writes:
Unlike Tim, RW, and Kenny, I like apologies on ROFF. Show some honor and admit your hatred I admit to hating Kerry's *actions* both on the field and off the field after he returned home. I owe no one an apology, however. Kerry is no better than George Gehrke claiming he flew F-86 Sabres over the Yaloo River in 1954, the year he graduated from highschool, and a year after the war ended. Can you explain why his discharge has the words "board of officers"? No one I know in the military now or in the past knows what that is about, *except* the possibility of his discharge being changed. That is the only possible reason for the "board of officers". |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: What's to like about apologies on roff ? Hell, if there's anything emptier than a liquor bottle at the end of a 'Clave it's a roff "apology." An empty liquor bottle at the end of a clave could mean a successful clave. Sharing and killing a bottle of liquor amongst fishing companions can be just as satisfying and concillatory as being able to admit one is mistaken on something. |
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What's to like about apologies on roff ? Hell, if there's anything emptier than a liquor bottle at the end of a 'Clave it's a roff "apology." An empty liquor bottle at the end of a clave could mean a successful clave. Sharing and killing a bottle of liquor amongst fishing companions can be just as satisfying and concillatory as being able to admit one is mistaken on something. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote: I owe no one an apology, however. You spread misinformation to prove your point of view. Since the official transcript differs from your view, one of them is lies. Either your military is wrong in this care or you are. Kerry is no better than George Gehrke claiming he flew F-86 Sabres over the Yaloo River in 1954, the year he graduated from highschool, and a year after the war ended. Now Dave, we've already established that the official military record differs from your assertions. We all know that the now departed George was wrong but just a clarification, there was a "police action" in Korea, not a "war" and it did not end, there was/is a truce in place. Can you explain why his discharge has the words "board of officers"? No one I know in the military now or in the past knows what that is about, *except* the possibility of his discharge being changed. That is the only possible reason for the "board of officers". It looks to my civilian untrained eye as a standard form letter for those discharged from the reserves at that time. Maybe Mr. Epps can offer insight? Paragraph 2 refers to the board of officers as a reference for establishing if an officer should be retained in the reserves. Given the 1970 letter, the history post return from Vietnam and the political office I see nothing sinister. If you mean it was changed to honorable from dis-honorable or vice-versa, there's nothing to suggest you're barking up the right tree. You can read it yourself if you've not read it at http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilse...om_Reserve.pdf Regardless as to your accusation of funny stuff on discharges two years after the fact, the paper trail is there. Requested and got approval to end active duty in 1970 with reserve transfer. discharged honorably from the reserves in 1972. And discharged from the inactive reserves in 1978. Another bull**** attack on Mr. Kerry's service record shot down. Sheesh Dave, your side won, get over it. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
I owe no one an apology, however. You spread misinformation to prove your point of view. Since the official transcript differs from your view, one of them is lies. Either your military is wrong in this care or you are. Kerry is no better than George Gehrke claiming he flew F-86 Sabres over the Yaloo River in 1954, the year he graduated from highschool, and a year after the war ended. Now Dave, we've already established that the official military record differs from your assertions. We all know that the now departed George was wrong but just a clarification, there was a "police action" in Korea, not a "war" and it did not end, there was/is a truce in place. Can you explain why his discharge has the words "board of officers"? No one I know in the military now or in the past knows what that is about, *except* the possibility of his discharge being changed. That is the only possible reason for the "board of officers". It looks to my civilian untrained eye as a standard form letter for those discharged from the reserves at that time. Maybe Mr. Epps can offer insight? Paragraph 2 refers to the board of officers as a reference for establishing if an officer should be retained in the reserves. Given the 1970 letter, the history post return from Vietnam and the political office I see nothing sinister. If you mean it was changed to honorable from dis-honorable or vice-versa, there's nothing to suggest you're barking up the right tree. You can read it yourself if you've not read it at http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilse...om_Reserve.pdf Regardless as to your accusation of funny stuff on discharges two years after the fact, the paper trail is there. Requested and got approval to end active duty in 1970 with reserve transfer. discharged honorably from the reserves in 1972. And discharged from the inactive reserves in 1978. Another bull**** attack on Mr. Kerry's service record shot down. Sheesh Dave, your side won, get over it. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
I owe no one an apology, however. You spread misinformation to prove your point of view. Since the official transcript differs from your view, one of them is lies. Either your military is wrong in this care or you are. Kerry is no better than George Gehrke claiming he flew F-86 Sabres over the Yaloo River in 1954, the year he graduated from highschool, and a year after the war ended. Now Dave, we've already established that the official military record differs from your assertions. We all know that the now departed George was wrong but just a clarification, there was a "police action" in Korea, not a "war" and it did not end, there was/is a truce in place. Can you explain why his discharge has the words "board of officers"? No one I know in the military now or in the past knows what that is about, *except* the possibility of his discharge being changed. That is the only possible reason for the "board of officers". It looks to my civilian untrained eye as a standard form letter for those discharged from the reserves at that time. Maybe Mr. Epps can offer insight? Paragraph 2 refers to the board of officers as a reference for establishing if an officer should be retained in the reserves. Given the 1970 letter, the history post return from Vietnam and the political office I see nothing sinister. If you mean it was changed to honorable from dis-honorable or vice-versa, there's nothing to suggest you're barking up the right tree. You can read it yourself if you've not read it at http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilse...om_Reserve.pdf Regardless as to your accusation of funny stuff on discharges two years after the fact, the paper trail is there. Requested and got approval to end active duty in 1970 with reserve transfer. discharged honorably from the reserves in 1972. And discharged from the inactive reserves in 1978. Another bull**** attack on Mr. Kerry's service record shot down. Sheesh Dave, your side won, get over it. |
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Tim J. wrote: Richie can speak for himself, but Tim is on Tim's side. ;-) I'm tired of all the vitriol from either/both sides of the political aisle, and probably just worn down from a pretty intense political year. \ [snip] But, hey, if it makes you happy then carry on. I thought I typed a response to you on this but not showing up on the google server. Sheesh I try and use a reasoned post of a postive example to a like minded voter and you shoot my fat ass off. See if I do that again. BTW, picked up a new set of fly tying tools yesterday ;) Wayne |
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Wayne Knight wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: What's to like about apologies on roff ? Hell, if there's anything emptier than a liquor bottle at the end of a 'Clave it's a roff "apology." An empty liquor bottle at the end of a clave could mean a successful clave. ... And a big load of crap on your living room carpet could mean someone had a wonderful meal. Not sure I get your point. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Wayne Knight wrote: you need to quit believing all this bull**** Dave unless you are should be spewing not believing. You can believe anything you want. |
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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message ups.com... You usin' BellSouth, or is postin' in triplicate Usenet protocol for "Emphasis Added?" Mark |
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Wayne Knight wrote:
Tim J. wrote: Richie can speak for himself, but Tim is on Tim's side. ;-) I'm tired of all the vitriol from either/both sides of the political aisle, and probably just worn down from a pretty intense political year. \ [snip] But, hey, if it makes you happy then carry on. I thought I typed a response to you on this but not showing up on the google server. Sheesh I try and use a reasoned post of a postive example to a like minded voter and you shoot my fat ass off. See if I do that again. BTW, picked up a new set of fly tying tools yesterday ;) Gear whore. -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wayne Knight wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: What's to like about apologies on roff ? Hell, if there's anything emptier than a liquor bottle at the end of a 'Clave it's a roff "apology." An empty liquor bottle at the end of a clave could mean a successful clave. ... And a big load of crap on your living room carpet could mean someone had a wonderful meal. Not sure I get your point. Now THAT'S funny! -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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I just know this isn't the last word, ( I am at the end of the line at the
moment) but FWIW: The election is over; Let our diferences pass. I'll kiss your donkey and You can kiss my....... .....Elephant... Mark --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.806 / Virus Database: 548 - Release Date: 12/5/2004 |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Gear whore. That would be bleeding heart liberal gear whore to you. |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . com... And a big load of crap on your living room carpet could mean someone had a wonderful meal. That would mean I emptied the bottle, fell asleep and forgot to let the golden out. Not sure I get your point. It's pointless |
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so...um, have you set the the date for the next u.p. carnivale?
post-skeeter and black-fly season i hope, if i may be so bold as to make a request. my blood isn't pulsing with the vigor that allows for the interruption or loss occasioned by wrestling with those critters during their period of strength. past weekend, i went out in pursuit of speckled trout (salt water variety)...caught a solitary too-small flounder, but in the effort i saw pelicans sky-diving for fish and observed a gaggle/pride/herd, or lotsa, porpoise chasing bait fish into the shore of a salt marsh. amazing. sometimes the lookin is every bit as much fun a part of fishing as the catching. i'm looking forward to the u.p. and gettin cross with bruce again...that's a fun part of fishin too. might even like to visit that oxymoron, uh, octagon, un, onemoregone...well, i know there's a stream nearabouts with a funny name we can abuse... "it's all touch and go" jeff Wolfgang wrote: (and both of you ought to go fishing!) Well, *I* probably should. |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . com... Wayne Knight wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: What's to like about apologies on roff ? Hell, if there's anything emptier than a liquor bottle at the end of a 'Clave it's a roff "apology." An empty liquor bottle at the end of a clave could mean a successful clave. ... And a big load of crap on your living room carpet could mean someone had a wonderful meal. Not sure I get your point. You don't. Wolfgang yeah, not everything is news. |
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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message ... "Guyz-N-Flyz" wrote in message ...... You usin' BellSouth, or is postin' in triplicate Usenet protocol for "Emphasis Added?" Nah that would be google sending a message, "your post did not go through try again" or some such, while the post(s) did in fact go through ****in' spellcheckers. :( HEY, STEVIE! Wolfgang watch this. :) |
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:05:52 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote: so...um, have you set the the date for the next u.p. carnivale? post-skeeter and black-fly season i hope, if i may be so bold as to make a request. my blood isn't pulsing with the vigor that allows for the interruption or loss occasioned by wrestling with those critters during their period of strength. past weekend, i went out in pursuit of speckled trout (salt water variety)...caught a solitary too-small flounder, but in the effort i saw pelicans sky-diving for fish and observed a gaggle/pride/herd, or lotsa, porpoise chasing bait fish into the shore of a salt marsh. amazing. sometimes the lookin is every bit as much fun a part of fishing as the catching. i'm looking forward to the u.p. and gettin cross with bruce again...that's a fun part of fishin too. might even like to visit that oxymoron, uh, octagon, un, onemoregone...well, i know there's a stream nearabouts with a funny name we can abuse... "it's all touch and go" jeff Finally some discussion of fly fishing! This is a fly fishing NG you know. Who starts these political self abuse orgies anyway? Let me know when things firm up about any Auntienoggin forays. g.c. Does this make me a middle-poster? Wolfgang wrote: (and both of you ought to go fishing!) Well, *I* probably should. |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:ck8td.1405$MC.1183@lakeread04... so...um, have you set the the date for the next u.p. carnivale? post-skeeter and black-fly season i hope, if i may be so bold as to make a request. my blood isn't pulsing with the vigor that allows for the interruption or loss occasioned by wrestling with those critters during their period of strength. past weekend, i went out in pursuit of speckled trout (salt water variety)...caught a solitary too-small flounder, but in the effort i saw pelicans sky-diving for fish and observed a gaggle/pride/herd, or lotsa, porpoise chasing bait fish into the shore of a salt marsh. amazing. sometimes the lookin is every bit as much fun a part of fishing as the catching. i'm looking forward to the u.p. and gettin cross with bruce again...that's a fun part of fishin too. might even like to visit that oxymoron, uh, octagon, un, onemoregone...well, i know there's a stream nearabouts with a funny name we can abuse... "it's all touch and go" jeff It's a pity you didn't meet Jay while you were here last time. As you probably remember, Jay is one of the brothers who owns the shack we stayed in up in the UP. As a matter of fact, Becky and I had dinner with Jay and his girlfriend night before last. You wouldn't ****in' believe the house she's got out in Elm Grove. I mean, this place has got THREE zip codes! And on a teacher's salary? Uh huh. I don't get it. She's got the place up for sale.......it's too big. No ****. This place is too big for the Ringling brothers. The HD TV is kick ass though. And the pool table......in the billiard room......above the garage. Anyway, we did a sort of Thai thing. Jay made some kind of beef (well, venison, actually) and green bean thingy that was just WAY too bland till I mashed up some ginger, garlic, and black pepper in the mortar and pestle (BIG new mortar and pestle from Chu Hai, the local Asian market) and threw it in. Turned out pretty good. I was going to make Tung Tong, but what with the wine flowing and the muse kicking in, I did a soup instead......mushrooms, lemon grass, galangal, ginger, lime leaves, lime juice, coconut milk, lotus seeds, cilantro.......you know. Becky says that Patty just sort of pushed all the meat and veggies out of the way and ate what was left. What was left? I dunno. Anyway......um......... Oh yeah, I taught Jay pretty much everything he knows about fly fishing (well, and cooking and woodworking and brewing and.......well, never mind) but he sort of went nuts and started fishing all over the western UP. Well, he might as well be fishing because when he's not, he and his idiot brothers are taking the barrel stove out of the shack and putting in a propane heater (what the **** is THAT about, asks I ......to no avail) and now they're talking about putting in a ****ing CEILING! Honest to God, I don't make this **** up! Next thing you know they'll be putting in electric lights and taking out the gas refrigerator. Whattaworld! :( O.k., so, Jay doesn't know much about fishing, but he IS enthusiastic, and he knows the streams up there better than I do because there's no point in him staying in one place long enough to catch a fish cuz it ain't gonna happen anyway, but we should definitely consult with him about where to go if we were to make another trip up that way......and I think we should......whew! SO, whatever, yeah, there's lots of streams we haven't fished up there yet, and I think we should do it......ALL of them.....what the hell.! May is a good time. September is good too. No bugs to speak of and the fish are grand. However......... Wayne and Bill have been talking about a Troll clave (you know.....the lower peninsula.....BELOW the bridge.....the big mac) on the holy waters sometime this coming season. If I was in the business of giving advice, and you of taking it, I'd suggest we get together on the notion of exploring this possibility. The Au Sable, so I'm told, is big enough to float a Baker AND it holds trout! :) Wolfgang |
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... Finally some discussion of fly fishing! This is a fly fishing NG you know. Who starts these political self abuse orgies anyway? Let me know when things firm up about any Auntienoggin forays. g.c. O.k., here's the plan. The way I see it, Jeffie flies in to Cleveland. He and Bill hitch a ride or hop a freight or something to Dayton. They hook up with John, hook up the trailer and drive to whereveringod'snamewayneisnow, shanghai his ass and head north. You and Joel and me START north, cross the Big Mac, head south and follow the fumes. We all meet somewhere wet. Does this make me a middle-poster? Looks like it from here. :( Wolfgang who, having the last word (well, thus far anyway) would appear to be the bottom poster. p.s no good reason i can see not to stop and wet a line en route. |
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:06:37 -0700, rw
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:37:38 -0500, GregP wrote:
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Wolfgang wrote: O.k., here's the plan. The way I see it, Jeffie flies in to Cleveland. uh...bad plan...last tar heel that visited cleveland described a bad experience. if it's on, i'm flying to marquette. i like that place. i nominate it as our rallying point... but, if asadi is driving the lounge with wheels, well... i know he'd love marquette too. jeff (an upper poster) He and Bill hitch a ride or hop a freight or something to Dayton. They hook up with John, hook up the trailer and drive to whereveringod'snamewayneisnow, shanghai his ass and head north. You and Joel and me START north, cross the Big Mac, head south and follow the fumes. We all meet somewhere wet. Does this make me a middle-poster? Looks like it from here. :( Wolfgang who, having the last word (well, thus far anyway) would appear to be the bottom poster. p.s no good reason i can see not to stop and wet a line en route. |
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as you know, i much prefer the "less traveled" spots far from the
madding crowds. i'm sure the au sable is magnificent, but if it's like all the other "famous" waters i've seen, i'll pass. i really liked those u.p. venues and streams, and it seemed like the critter ratio was just right up there. that's my vote anyway... but, i'm open-minded and tolerant. oh yeah, september would be the month for me. may is penns, july out west, september is open, october is graham county. can't change the rhythm of the woild... so much for the advice, but i look forward to meeting jay one of these days. jeff (up here, in the less posted spot) Wolfgang wrote: Wayne and Bill have been talking about a Troll clave (you know.....the lower peninsula.....BELOW the bridge.....the big mac) on the holy waters sometime this coming season. If I was in the business of giving advice, and you of taking it, I'd suggest we get together on the notion of exploring this possibility. The Au Sable, so I'm told, is big enough to float a Baker AND it holds trout! :) Wolfgang |
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On 12/7/04 7:13 AM, in article rdhtd.1431$MC.4@lakeread04, "Jeff Miller"
wrote: as you know, i much prefer the "less traveled" spots far from the madding crowds. i'm sure the au sable is magnificent, but if it's like all the other "famous" waters i've seen, i'll pass. i really liked those u.p. venues and streams, and it seemed like the critter ratio was just right up there. that's my vote anyway... but, i'm open-minded and tolerant. oh yeah, september would be the month for me. may is penns, july out west, september is open, october is graham county. can't change the rhythm of the woild... so much for the advice, but i look forward to meeting jay one of these days. jeff (up here, in the less posted spot) Wolfgang and I have spoken in the past about a late summer/early fall Yooper experience. Is three a consensus? I'd join you, despite your slander of my fair city. :-) And for what it is worth, I've had the Au Sable to myself both times I've fished it. Neither were during the "best" season (one was late July, the other late August). The Mason Tract especially reminded me quite a bit of a U.P. stream. Very nice brookie fishing. On the river, I saw no other anglers and only one or two kayak/canoe groups float by. That said, you wouldn't have to twist my arm very hard to get me to join a congregation in Iron/Schoolcraft/Baraga/Ontonagan/Gogebic counties for some streamside laying on of hands. Bill Wolfgang wrote: Wayne and Bill have been talking about a Troll clave (you know.....the lower peninsula.....BELOW the bridge.....the big mac) on the holy waters sometime this coming season. If I was in the business of giving advice, and you of taking it, I'd suggest we get together on the notion of exploring this possibility. The Au Sable, so I'm told, is big enough to float a Baker AND it holds trout! :) Wolfgang |
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Jeff Miller wrote: as you know, i much prefer the "less traveled" spots far from the madding crowds. i'm sure the au sable is magnificent, but if it's like all the other "famous" waters i've seen, i'll pass. The dates are roughly set for the week after father's day. To refresh memories, there are two groups that meet in Grayling every year and join up for dinner on the Saturday after daddy's day. However this particular mini-clave revolved around a possible and promised visit in the UP at a certain dead lawyer's pond. So you would in effect get both. A chance to toss hummingbird sized flies to large brown trout in nothern lower michigan, and a possible chance to toss adams and sulfures at brookies in a pond of literature. And if you stuck around, a chance to fellowship with a hundred folks who would consider you a life long friend and do something good for the rivers in northern michigan. |
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On 12/7/04 7:00 AM, in article J1htd.1430$MC.114@lakeread04, "Jeff Miller"
wrote: Wolfgang wrote: O.k., here's the plan. The way I see it, Jeffie flies in to Cleveland. uh...bad plan...last tar heel that visited cleveland described a bad experience. That's because he didn't know well enough to call me for an airport rescue (if I'm recalling ofitons' Cleveland experience correctly, that is). if it's on, i'm flying to marquette. i like that place. i nominate it as our rallying point... but, if asadi is driving the lounge with wheels, well... i know he'd love marquette too. I don't know Marquette, having merely driven through it, but there sure is some nice water in pretty much every direction. And I know it's only about an hour and a half more to go to my usual stomping grounds when I hit the city limits. :-) I *do* know that several aunts and uncles have lived there, and that a certain barrister-turned-author lived there, and that's just about good enough for me. Bill |
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BTW, picked up a new set of fly tying tools yesterday ;)
Wayne Mazel Tov! I've watched this thread spiral through several layers of vitriol and nonsense. It's over, My candidate lost, someone else's one. To be honest, I didn't, and don't, care for either of them that much. They are both children of privilege who want me to believe that they care about someone in my income bracket as much as they care about their next golf game. I have no desire for endless recounts, lawsuits, or pointless demonstrations for the sake of demonstrating. What I want to see is a field of viable candidates who will run on the issues and concerns that matter to the middle class, not the splinter groups, the illegal alien pressure groups, and the corporate sponsors that paid for this last cluster**** of an election. While I have seen many openings to jump in and attack someone or their position, I'd sooner spend the time reading, tying flies, and scratching my ass when it itches; or taking advantage of the semi-tropical climate of my home and actually go fishing if the weather, tides, and my pain levels allow. OBROFF: To that end, I have purchased a ULA Force 2X LT reel and a TFO TiCr-X 6 wt rod to use and enjoy. I hope to travel into New England this summer and introduce them to trout or even land-locked salmon if opportunity allows. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 When the dawn came up like thunder http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:08:07 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: Wolfgang who's got a shiny new nickel we will so no indication that george has an idea of what we were talking about. Huh? "...shiny new nickel, we will so no indication." What the F%&K are you talking about? Turn the webTV off and get back to Dukes of Hazard reruns. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:08:07 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: Wolfgang who's got a shiny new nickel we will so no indication that george has an idea of what we were talking about. Huh? "...shiny new nickel, we will so no indication." What the F%&K are you talking about? It's code, and if you don't have a ring you can't decode his message. You do have a ring, RIGHT? Mark |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:08:07 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: Wolfgang who's got a shiny new nickel we will so no indication that george has an idea of what we were talking about. Huh? "...shiny new nickel, we will so no indication." What the F%&K are you talking about? It's a literacy test. Take your time. Be sure to check your answer before submitting it. Wolfgang well, this should be fun. :) |
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:57:03 GMT, "B J Conner" wrote:
wrote in message .. . On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:08:07 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: Wolfgang who's got a shiny new nickel we will so no indication that george has an idea of what we were talking about. Huh? "...shiny new nickel, we will so no indication." What the F%&K are you talking about? Turn the webTV off and get back to Dukes of Hazard reruns. Yeah, Beej, either that, or mebbe yall kin larne him sum tyepin in Anglush... ....and besides, "The Dukes of Hazzard" was a classic - I like them...well, not ALL of them, but whosawhatit Duke in those tight little short-shorts - HOOBOY - it's really a shame Denver Pyle is no longer around...YOU know what I mean, lil' fat buddy... |
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