A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:22:34 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Still don´t know what you mean by "bringing the line in to 9´" . No big
deal.

It could be a big deal if you're rollcasting.
Clearing up the 9' of line in the water.
Here is the diagram of the "D" loop and bringing the line in to 9' as Lefty
described.
If your line is out more than 9' then it's harder to execute the rollcast.
If the line is out to 20' (the line touching the water) you won't be able to
shoot the line.

I saw Lefty roll cast in his talk today, and he didn't mention anything about 9'
(or any other amount) of line on the water. What he emphasized, as he has in the
past when I've seen him, is that if you finish the roll cast in the
'traditional' way by aiming the rod down towards the water, the line will 'roll'
across the water, where if you finish the cast like you would a normal cast
(speed up and stop while the rod tip is heading in an upwards direction) the
line will be picked up off the water and 'cast'. FWIW
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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...What [Lefty] emphasized, as he has in the
past when I've seen him, is that if you finish the roll cast in the
'traditional' way by aiming the rod down towards the water, the line will
'roll'
across the water, where if you finish the cast like you would a normal
cast
(speed up and stop while the rod tip is heading in an upwards direction)
the
line will be picked up off the water and 'cast'. FWIW

True.....but only up to a point. Friction is inexorable, and one encounters
more of it in moving through water than in moving through air. If one can
get a given length of line, say 40 feet for example, up off the water one
can cast it.....and shoot another five feet. On the next cast, if one can
pick up the 45, one can shoot another 5....and so on. Comes a time when one
reaches the limits of one's power and/or one's technique and stopping at the
right point simply won't lift all of the line off the water anymore.
Moreover, one frequently encounters situations....say, standing with one's
back up against a tree or an elevated bank....in which one can do no more
than START the forward motion where one would finish in a normal cast. And
one CAN do this effectively by rolling the line on the surface.

Wolfgang
one knows this because one does it.

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:35:42 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:

And
one CAN do this effectively by rolling the line on the surface.

Wolfgang
one knows this because one does it.

I've done that too. Also, if I have a lot of line out in front of me and want to
make another cast I often 'roll' the line up out of the water rather than trying
to pick it up directly, then I start the back cast.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

A lesson with Lefty/roll casting the D loop
 

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:35:42 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:

And
one CAN do this effectively by rolling the line on the surface.

Wolfgang
one knows this because one does it.

I've done that too. Also, if I have a lot of line out in front of me and
want to
make another cast I often 'roll' the line up out of the water rather than
trying
to pick it up directly, then I start the back cast.

I also use a roll cast pickup frequently......mostly when I intend to cast
back to the same spot as the last time, or at least to some other point at
the same distance. In either case, I simply lift the rod to keep slack out
of the line rather than stripping, thus avoiding the need for false casting
or shooting the excess. Even with my 7 1/2 ft. 3 wt. this allows me an
absolute minimum of fifteen feet of dead drift......much more than enough
for most situations.

Wolfgang

A lesson with Lefty
 

Words can't describe Lefty's impact on the sport and his years of
contributions.

He is "one of a kind".

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"BJ Conner" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
The International Sportsmen Expo this past weekend was pretty darn good
for
me. I finally got to meet Lefty Kreh in person and watch his
demonstration.
He put to rest a lot of questions I've had and some of the questions that
were asked in roff. Lefty is quite a character and for his age of 81, his
senses and skills are still very keen.



Unfortunately Lefty now has rotator cuff (yes got from casting) and has
changed his casting technique from his early days. He told me he doesn't
want to see anyone get this problem as his casting style is almost
sideways
now. I'll have to analyze this more.



During his demonstration Left made a few 70' cast with just half of a 9'
rod, using only the 4 ½' end section, with tight loops. That tells me you
don't need an expensive rod to make good cast. Then he pieces the rod
back
together, gets down on his knees and effortlessly makes another 70' tight
loop cast, so you don't need a long rod or raise the hand up high, or be
7'
tall to make long cast either. Oh, the rod he was using was a fresh off
the
rack TFO TiCr 9', 6wt 4pc which still had the plastic wrap on the cork.



After his lecture he asked for a volunteer from the standing room
audience.
Years ago I remember a local fly-shop paying Left $2000, divided among 20
serious anglers to have him fly out here to CA and give a 1 hour lecture
with a 1 hour hands on class. Since no one wanted to make a fool out of
themselves, I thought this is my chance to volunteer a lesson with one of
the greatest casters in the world for the price of my ticket to the show.
For that I think I could tolerate embarrassment and be the guinea pig.
After
he asked my name and put the rod in my hands, he had me make a cast the
way
I normally do. I made a 60' cast and on the microphone loud and clear
Lefty's
famous line: "Tom didn't listen to anything I was saying!" as the crowd
roared with laughter. Then he corrected me on 2 ever-so-slight
technicalities, keeping the wrist straighter on the backcast, and stop the
rod a touch higher on the forward cast. I'll have to admit, I was a bit
nervous standing in front of everyone with Lefty at my side. I made my
second cast and was ready for more embarrassment, but to my surprise he
blurts out; "Make another cast!" I make another 60' cast as I'm feeling
pretty comfortable now, he then whispers to me, "you got it down?" with
his
warm smile. I nod my head yes, then he gets on the mic and yells; "Anyone
worst than Tom?" I felt pretty relieved thinking it could have been worst.
I
continued to walk around the show, but came out empty-handed except for
something I'll remember for the rest of my life.

-tom

I think I just missed you Saturday morning. I had to sample life in
the big city and ride the train up. I am TDY in the Silcone Valley. I
got to see the usual outfitters and guides that show up in Portland
plus a few from Oregon who are never at the Portland show.
Did you see the guy who had the antique fishing stuff. Makes me feel
old, I have stuff in my closet older than some of his. I bought my
Medalist 1498 in 63, it got more scars than the one he had. I
overheard one guy who wondered if people really caught fish on them.

A lesson with Lefty/120' ???
 

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Mike Connor wrote:
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So you use a nine foot anchor. You might just have said so. Apart from
which, the length of the anchor is basically immaterial, as long as you
have
an anchor, because in the roll cast you only cast the line in the loop,
and
the rest is pulled along behind it.
.........

Wouldn't the longer anchor allow you to put a greater load on the rod
?


It is not sufficient to just load the rod, one must get the line moving.
Nor is it advantageous to load the rod beyond the optimal loading required
for the cast. Even a short anchor can overload a rod, unless the line
movement and rod timing are correct.

Loading a rod does not cast the line, moving the loaded rod correctly is
what casts the line.

If one executes a roll cast incorrectly, it is quite easy to break a rod.
This is also why one must get the line moving, to break the surface
tension which is holding it.

Merely applying a fast power stroke to a length of line lying on the water
will overload the rod immediately, and at the very least, prevent one
casting properly. Worst case is a broken rod.

The length of the anchor in a "static" ( although of course it is not
"static" at all), roll cast, is basically immaterial, as one attempts to
load the rod optimally by thrusting against the line in the D loop, and
also by moving the rod in the correct manner, with the right speed and
power.

TL
MC


Also another important step is the "Stop" I've seen some people jerk the
rod or try to overpower the rod, and drop the rod at the stop. It's
actually a very smooth operation. Try short cast first and make your smooth
stops at 11:00, then increase for distance a little at a time.
-tom