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On Mar 21, 10:19 pm, "rb608" wrote:
SNIP I realize that's an emotional generalization born out of the bull**** that goes on here; but as one of the 95% who fail consistently, I can assure you that it is not due to lack of understanding of the physics of casting or the mechanics of my equipment. I understand all of that perfectly well; what I lack is the magic. SNIP Oh I understand you perfectly, and indeed Tim J. as well. Certainly far better than you realise. When I am fishing, I donīt need to analyse anything, it has become second nature. Furthermore, it is apparently not clear to you and others that I donīt do anything else. I live, eat, breathe and sleep, fishing, a minimum of twelve hours a day, and usually seven days a week, 52 weeks a year, I have nothing else worthwhile to do. I read about it, think about it, and discuss it without pause, with some of the greatest experts on the planet, the same goes for fly-dressing and other related subjects. As I said, this may be of interest; http://www.fish-wild.co.uk/index.php...eatures&pid=69 My apologies if I upset anybody who did not deserve it. TL MC |
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wrote in message oups.com... May well be so with the folks you fish with, but I teach people to avoid trees when casting. teaching, and actually fishing practice are two different things, especially on overgrown New England brooks, and tight mountain streams in the Eastern US. Plus, I was trying to introduce you to the concept of a sense of humor. Seems Wolfgang was indeed right about Dickie, just another pathological ****bag. actually, I think he was trying to inject a bit of his own brand of humor into the situation. My recommendation would be to either chuckle or ignore it. To do otherwise might make you appear pompous, bitter, or both...... Tom |
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wrote in message oups.com... . It beats me why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and be disliked by everybody, but please feel free. c'mon folks, own up to it! I can't be the only one with tears of laughter rolling down my cheeks at this one, can I? Tom |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote in news:ZlhMh.15217
: wrote: This is supposed to be a fly-fishing group, with not a few self- declared experts. People who take the trouble to ask a question here, presumably expect qualified advice, otherwise they would just go to their local fly-shop, plonk down their plastic, and buy the apparently obligatory bling to begin with. That's right, and that's exactly why those who know better should speak up and point out the ignorance of nonsense posts like this: "MOST LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!" (emphasis yours) Ken Obviously, we have stumbled upon a plot by rod manufacturers to underlabel their rods. It has been going on for at least 15 years. If you actually do the research, you'll find that manufacturer's of fishing gear have been secretly shifting their portfolios toward the orthopeadics industry, knowing that the extra effort of casting underrated rods loaded with lines that are too light will cause all sorts of joint and muscle problems, from the shoulder all the way to the fingers. I think the plot really stems from the Illuminati. After all, the worst offenders are probably 3 weights and 2 weights --- 32!! Aha-- got them now. -- Scott Reverse name to reply "John Dillinger Fished For You" |
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wrote in message ... On 21 Mar 2007 10:52:14 -0700, wrote: And even furthermore... And even furthermoreevenmore, you're a loon...four in a row...would the judges determine if that is a new record, please? Doubt it helps, Dickie remember driving down the road as a kid, and they had those series of advertising signs in a sequence? Kinda felt the same as reading that string, except the Barbasol material was more interesting. When is someone going to point out that "casting theory" and practical fishing applications are not one and the same?? Tom |
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When I am fishing, I donīt need to analyse anything, it has become second nature. And if I could roll cast as effortlessly as I can do a Mills' Mess, I'd be a happy man. :-) Joe F. |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in
news:tFhMh.9831$282.7168@trndny04: wrote in message ... On 21 Mar 2007 10:52:14 -0700, wrote: And even furthermore... And even furthermoreevenmore, you're a loon...four in a row...would the judges determine if that is a new record, please? Doubt it helps, Dickie remember driving down the road as a kid, and they had those series of advertising signs in a sequence? Kinda felt the same as reading that string, except the Barbasol material was more interesting. When is someone going to point out that "casting theory" and practical fishing applications are not one and the same?? Tom Burma Shave, Tom. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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wrote in message ups.com... Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid unthinking dumbos who canīt cast, and know virtually nothing about their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish. You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that 95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant as this lot. MC wrong, very much so.......95% simply don't understand the quarry, and don't put the time into learning. I have lobbed flies at trout and bass for a few decades now, and can assure you, and any other damned soul that will listen, that "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish. Stream fisherman(and I am very aware that other skill-sets come into play for flats fishing, float-tube fishing, lake fishing,etc) would be very well served by Tim's advice. Tom |
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wrote in message oups.com... It further occurred to me, that you might find this of interest, http://www.fish-wild.co.uk/index.php...eatures&pid=69 MC .....and, it occurs to me to wonder WHY that article, in which you deign yourself important enough to decide what makes an "angler" would interest ANYONE. Yeesh, Mike, and you wonder why you draw barbs and ridicule like **** draws flies? Tom |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Burma Shave, Tom. -- Scott Reverse name to reply I stand corrected by one with a functional memory!! ......and, you did see my analogy, did you not? Tom |
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On Mar 21, 10:35 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... May well be so with the folks you fish with, but I teach people to avoid trees when casting. teaching, and actually fishing practice are two different things, especially on overgrown New England brooks, and tight mountain streams in the Eastern US. Plus, I was trying to introduce you to the concept of a sense of humor. Seems Wolfgang was indeed right about Dickie, just another pathological ****bag. actually, I think he was trying to inject a bit of his own brand of humor into the situation. My recommendation would be to either chuckle or ignore it. To do otherwise might make you appear pompous, bitter, or both...... Tom Good teaching automatically results in good pupils. When it is possible to give people a set of basic skills before they set off on their angling/life journey, they tend to enjoy it more and also become better and better at it, the better they become, the more they enjoy it. I have taught hundreds, in fact it is certainly thousands now, to cast and angle, and quite a few to dress flies as well. This also brings a great deal of satisfaction. Not quite the same as fishing, but rewarding nonetheless. Obviously I appear pompous here, quite a few people have said so, and I have no reason to doubt them. Unfortunately, I have not the slightest idea what I might do about it....................... Bitter? I donīt think so. TL MC |
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Scott Seidman wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: wrote: This is supposed to be a fly-fishing group, with not a few self- declared experts. People who take the trouble to ask a question here, presumably expect qualified advice, otherwise they would just go to their local fly-shop, plonk down their plastic, and buy the apparently obligatory bling to begin with. That's right, and that's exactly why those who know better should speak up and point out the ignorance of nonsense posts like this: "MOST LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!" (emphasis yours) Ken Obviously, we have stumbled upon a plot by rod manufacturers to underlabel their rods. It has been going on for at least 15 years. If you actually do the research, you'll find that manufacturer's of fishing gear have been secretly shifting their portfolios toward the orthopeadics industry, knowing that the extra effort of casting underrated rods loaded with lines that are too light will cause all sorts of joint and muscle problems, from the shoulder all the way to the fingers. I think the plot really stems from the Illuminati. After all, the worst offenders are probably 3 weights and 2 weights --- 32!! Aha-- got them now. Just you wait, as soon as Shrub's approval ratings drop another 3 points somebody will confess to this heinous conspiracy. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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wrote in message s.com... Furthermore, it is apparently not clear to you and others that I donīt do anything else. I live, eat, breathe and sleep, fishing, a minimum of twelve hours a day, and usually seven days a week, 52 weeks a year .....furthermore, I am unaware that anyone, outside yourself, cares..........nice of you to keep track of it for us, though. I have nothing else worthwhile to do. keep thinking that way, and you will turn into a one- sided, pedantic bore..........um, oh, nevermind. I read about it, think about it, and discuss it without pause, with some of the greatest experts on the planet, the same goes for fly-dressing and other related subjects. how DO you find the time to expound on homosexuality? As I said, this may be of interest; http://www.fish-wild.co.uk/index.php...eatures&pid=69 and, as I thought when I first read your link, and passed on responding......WHY? If anything, it spotlights why people respond here the way they do. Geez, Mike, an article wherein the Great Man Himself deigns to define for us, the unwashed freaking masses, what constitutes an angler. May I please be the first of many to respond: Bull****! Tom |
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On Mar 21, 10:41 pm, Scott Seidman
wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote in news:ZlhMh.15217 : wrote: This is supposed to be a fly-fishing group, with not a few self- declared experts. People who take the trouble to ask a question here, presumably expect qualified advice, otherwise they would just go to their local fly-shop, plonk down their plastic, and buy the apparently obligatory bling to begin with. That's right, and that's exactly why those who know better should speak up and point out the ignorance of nonsense posts like this: "MOST LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!" (emphasis yours) Ken Obviously, we have stumbled upon a plot by rod manufacturers to underlabel their rods. It has been going on for at least 15 years. If you actually do the research, you'll find that manufacturer's of fishing gear have been secretly shifting their portfolios toward the orthopeadics industry, knowing that the extra effort of casting underrated rods loaded with lines that are too light will cause all sorts of joint and muscle problems, from the shoulder all the way to the fingers. I think the plot really stems from the Illuminati. After all, the worst offenders are probably 3 weights and 2 weights --- 32!! Aha-- got them now. -- Scott Reverse name to reply "John Dillinger Fished For You" Well, if you ask quite a number of top casters, you will discover that they think exactly that. The trend to more powerful, faster rods has continued unabated, so much so, that the vast majority of beginners and intermediate casters are quite incapable of loading a rod using the rated line. This also causes physical problems. Using a heavier line also slows things down quite a bit, and makes everything easier. TL MC |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in news:xShMh.12188$zx.6014
@trndny05: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Burma Shave, Tom. -- Scott Reverse name to reply I stand corrected by one with a functional memory!! .....and, you did see my analogy, did you not? Tom As we get older, we learn to take those lucid moments when we can get them! Well, now that I have clarification of the shaving cream ads, I can look toward the analogy ;) I think, now, that it's apt. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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On Mar 21, 10:48 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid unthinking dumbos who canīt cast, and know virtually nothing about their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish. You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that 95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant as this lot. MC wrong, very much so.......95% simply don't understand the quarry, and don't put the time into learning. I have lobbed flies at trout and bass for a few decades now, and can assure you, and any other damned soul that will listen, that "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish. Stream fisherman(and I am very aware that other skill-sets come into play for flats fishing, float-tube fishing, lake fishing,etc) would be very well served by Tim's advice. Tom Oh I agree with that entirely. The point is, using matched heads makes casting a lot easier, not more difficult. Nor is it necessary to know anything at all about it.My pupils are not given any casting theory at all until after they have passed their mandatory casting tests. And even then only if they ask for it. I am the only instructor who has never had a pupil fail the test, in over twenty years. I did not mention distance casting here. I concentrated on specific techniques which specifically do not require distance. Whatever.............. TL MC |
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On Mar 21, 11:03 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
wrote in message s.com... Furthermore, it is apparently not clear to you and others that I donīt do anything else. I live, eat, breathe and sleep, fishing, a minimum of twelve hours a day, and usually seven days a week, 52 weeks a year ....furthermore, I am unaware that anyone, outside yourself, cares..........nice of you to keep track of it for us, though. I have nothing else worthwhile to do. keep thinking that way, and you will turn into a one- sided, pedantic bore..........um, oh, nevermind. I read about it, think about it, and discuss it without pause, with some of the greatest experts on the planet, the same goes for fly-dressing and other related subjects. how DO you find the time to expound on homosexuality? As I said, this may be of interest; http://www.fish-wild.co.uk/index.php...eatures&pid=69 and, as I thought when I first read your link, and passed on responding......WHY? If anything, it spotlights why people respond here the way they do. Geez, Mike, an article wherein the Great Man Himself deigns to define for us, the unwashed freaking masses, what constitutes an angler. May I please be the first of many to respond: Bull****! Tom Oh I did not imagine that anybody cared, I was merely pointing out that it is indeed so. I donīt expound on homosexuality at all. An interesting response. Quite different to many others As I already wrote, whatever............................. TL MC |
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On Mar 21, 11:03 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
and, as I thought when I first read your link, and passed on responding......WHY? If anything, it spotlights why people respond here the way they do. Geez, Mike, an article wherein the Great Man Himself deigns to define for us, the unwashed freaking masses, what constitutes an angler. May I please be the first of many to respond: Bull****! Tom Well, I must admit that response puzzles me somewhat, but I can accept it as your opinion. There was no intention to "define" anything at all, it was in fact an actual attempt to explain what an angler is, in response to a question on a private UK board. It elicited considerable response, and the Editor of that magazine asked if he could use it. I had no objections. Once again, whatever....................... TL MC |
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It is quite impossible to hand somebody here a rod with a matched head
and let him cast it, and so the only reasonable alternative is to explain as carefully as possible what is involved and why. Simply stating that it is as it is would be quite pointless, as nobody would believe it. This is the result of many things, not least industry propaganda, and the constant drive to sell "new improved" rods etc etc. This is not a "conspiracy", but the result is the same. Loads of extremely fast powerful rods which hardly anybody can load using the rated line. Certainly not at close range. The whole thing with a matched head is designed to make casting easier. It has nothing to do with distance per se. My pupils donīt know anything at all about casting as a rule. I give them a rod set up with a matched head, and simply show them how to cast it. Most are casting reasonably within an hour. After a maximum six hours communal tuition, they can easily perform the accuracy and distance tests required for the mandatory casting test with the set-up I have given them. Other instructors, using different methods and different set-ups always have trouble. Indeed, I often get sent "hopeless" pupils from other courses. I never have any trouble, and neither do they. Quite a few take my "build-on" courses, after passing the test, usually dependent on what type of fishing they want to do, and whether they need to learn a double haul or not. Lastly, if you donīt want information about fly-fishing on a fly- fishing newsgroup, what is the point of it? TL MC |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:34:18 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote: Ken Fortenberry typed: Tim J. wrote: typed: snip The more you post, the more people learn to detest you. It beats me why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and be disliked by everybody, but please feel free. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If you'd come to me in friendship, then this scum that ruins our roff would be suffering this very day. And if by chance an honest man like yourself should make enemies, then they would become my enemies. And then they would fear you. I suppose this means I get to kiss the ring. ;-) Nope. I ain't gonna say it - wouldn't be prudent - not even with a straight-line opener like that one, Tim ;-) /daytripper (who swore he'd stay well away from this cluster ****....) |
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wrote in message s.com... On Mar 21, 10:19 pm, "rb608" wrote: SNIP I realize that's an emotional generalization born out of the bull**** that goes on here; but as one of the 95% who fail consistently, I can assure you that it is not due to lack of understanding of the physics of casting or the mechanics of my equipment. I understand all of that perfectly well; what I lack is the magic. SNIP Oh I understand you perfectly, and indeed Tim J. as well. Certainly far better than you realise. When I am fishing, I donīt need to analyse anything, it has become second nature. Furthermore, it is apparently not clear to you and others that I donīt do anything else. I live, eat, breathe and sleep, fishing, a minimum of twelve hours a day, and usually seven days a week, 52 weeks a year, I have nothing else worthwhile to do. I read about it, think about it, and discuss it without pause, with some of the greatest experts on the planet, the same goes for fly-dressing and other related subjects. As I said, this may be of interest; http://www.fish-wild.co.uk/index.php...eatures&pid=69 My apologies if I upset anybody who did not deserve it. TL MC Jesus H. Christ, if the above initials were GG, I'd have thought George had come back from the far beyond! Op |
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daytripper typed: On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:34:18 -0400, "Tim J." wrote: Ken Fortenberry typed: Tim J. wrote: typed: snip The more you post, the more people learn to detest you. It beats me why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and be disliked by everybody, but please feel free. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If you'd come to me in friendship, then this scum that ruins our roff would be suffering this very day. And if by chance an honest man like yourself should make enemies, then they would become my enemies. And then they would fear you. I suppose this means I get to kiss the ring. ;-) Nope. I ain't gonna say it - wouldn't be prudent - not even with a straight-line opener like that one, Tim ;-) It was unethical bait - just for you. /daytripper (who swore he'd stay well away from this cluster ****....) You did pretty damned well, up until now. BTW, I was thinking about my best fishing memory of last year. It happened that day we were above Rt.9 and I "created" a hatch for those two nice rainbows. I know you probably caught more fish that I that day, but I can't say with any confidence you had more satisfaction. :) -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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"daytripper" wrote in message ... fine angling story snipped .....and what year can we hope to see a display of this angling prowess unleashed upon the hapless Penn's Creek brown trout(I am referring to you and Tim, who seems to fall a few hundred miles short each May himself)?? Tom |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message news:5RkMh.13890$dG.263@trndny08... (I am referring to you and Tim, who seems to fall a few hundred miles short each May himself)? I think Tripper and his driver are a bit on the outs right now. Wayne (thinking about crashing the Penn's thing on Monday....how far is that place from Knoxville?) |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:42:17 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote: daytripper typed: Nope. I ain't gonna say it - wouldn't be prudent - not even with a straight-line opener like that one, Tim ;-) It was unethical bait - just for you. /daytripper (who swore he'd stay well away from this cluster ****....) You did pretty damned well, up until now. BTW, I was thinking about my best fishing memory of last year. It happened that day we were above Rt.9 and I "created" a hatch for those two nice rainbows. I know you probably caught more fish that I that day, but I can't say with any confidence you had more satisfaction. :) I had to parse that last sentence a couple of times :-) It's a cool thing to be included with someone's good memories. I've been blessed to have been with quite a few folks who had a memorable day on the water. Anyway, you were due ;-) But if you want unethical - and on-topic, to boot: Late this fall I was at that spot you caught the two 'bows, rigging up for my first cast of the afternoon, while watching a guy fishing downstream from the wing dams toward me. As he got closer I overheard him talking to someone pacing him down the road way, and it sounded like they'd both been skunked. I had already taken a good look at the water and spotted one of your 18" cruisers, and he was still planted in the same spot. As the two guys got close I made a couple of soft practice casts straight up stream, then right when the two guys were about a cast away, turned and dropped that fly four feet in front of Mr. Rainbow, right in his feeding lane. Got that heart poundin' feeling right up in my ears, watching, waiting... ....waiting...then saw the take and did a line-hand set so quick I surprised myself. Up comes the rod, in goes a fine bend, and I turned around and said to the guys: "First cast of the afternoon!" with a ****-eating grin. It was wired all the way, but it was still classic. Those two poor *******s never knew what hit them on their way out ;-) /daytripper |
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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message . .. (thinking about crashing the Penn's thing on Monday....how far is that place from Knoxville?) Iowa or Tenn? From the latter, about 425 miles, I would guess. If the former, Reid will swing by and pick you up.... Tom |
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:20:01 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"daytripper" wrote in message .. . fine angling story snipped ....and what year can we hope to see a display of this angling prowess unleashed upon the hapless Penn's Creek brown trout(I am referring to you and Tim, who seems to fall a few hundred miles short each May himself)?? Tom Well, probably not this year anyway. There is just so much water up here to fish in May - not only is the trout season hitting stride, the annual striper migration comes through the North Shore at the same time. It's hard to get motivated to get in the car and drive away at that time of the year with all that going on. I won't even let the spousal unit book Caribbean vacations during May - we go in March or April instead - and if I ended up in Penn's in May, I'd have to deal with the thermo-nuclear blow-back on *that*, too ;-) But thanks for asking. /daytripper |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:17:04 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Tim J. wrote: typed: snip The more you post, the more people learn to detest you. It beats me why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and be disliked by everybody, but please feel free. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. What have I ever done to make you treat me so disrespectfully? If you'd come to me in friendship, then this scum that ruins our roff would be suffering this very day. And if by chance an honest man like yourself should make enemies, then they would become my enemies. And then they would fear you. Yeah, OK, Don...Knotts... |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:03:19 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Furthermore, it is apparently not clear to you and others that I donīt do anything else. I live, eat, breathe and sleep, fishing, a minimum of twelve hours a day, and usually seven days a week, 52 weeks a year ....furthermore, I am unaware that anyone, outside yourself, cares..........nice of you to keep track of it for us, though. I have nothing else worthwhile to do. keep thinking that way, and you will turn into a one- sided, pedantic bore..........um, oh, nevermind. I read about it, think about it, and discuss it without pause, with some of the greatest experts on the planet, the same goes for fly-dressing and other related subjects. how DO you find the time to expound on homosexuality? Oh, man, I had to go up and read his original reply...when I read yours, I sorta figured he WAS talking about homosexuality... |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:39:41 -0600, rw
wrote: wrote: Furthermore, it is apparently not clear to you and others that I donīt do anything else. I live, eat, breathe and sleep, fishing, a minimum of twelve hours a day, and usually seven days a week, 52 weeks a year, I have nothing else worthwhile to do. I read about it, think about it, and discuss it without pause, with some of the greatest experts on the planet, the same goes for fly-dressing and other related subjects. Gosh. That doesn't leave much time for lengthy treatises in ROFF and other worthless forums. As I said, this may be of interest; http://www.fish-wild.co.uk/index.php...eatures&pid=69 Quote from the link above (an article by Mike Conner): "What many people completely fail to understand is that the number or size of fish is basically irrelevant to a true angler." Quote from a Mike Connor post dated 12:30 PM today: "Good advice, if you want to be just like all the other stupid unthinking dumbos who canīt cast, and know virtually nothing about their equipment or how to use it, much less how to catch fish. "You know why 5% of the anglers catch 95% of the fish? Because that 95% of anglers who consistently fail are just as stupid and ignorant as this lot." My apologies if I upset anybody who did not deserve it. Yours is one of the worst cases of monomaniacal cognitive dissonance I've ever seen. Oh, goody...yet another numbnuts with a degree in psychobabble...well, have it your way, Wizard of Id... HTH, Dickie ....****, I took that there whatchacall Horshack test, and all of them pitchers looked like nekked wimmen...with Martini shakers...the doc said something he thought was real profound...I said, "aw, hell, boy, you ain't gotta get all worked up or nothin...I just REALLY like to drink and ****...and besides, I ain't the one tryin' to show another guy the sorry-assed porn..." |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:38:35 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... . It beats me why anybody would want to make such a complete prat of himself, and be disliked by everybody, but please feel free. c'mon folks, own up to it! I can't be the only one with tears of laughter rolling down my cheeks at this one, can I? Tom I don't have enough of that kind of sense of humour. I was just staring and then shaking my head. -- r.bc: vixen Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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Tom Littleton typed:
"daytripper" wrote in message ... fine angling story snipped ....and what year can we hope to see a display of this angling prowess unleashed upon the hapless Penn's Creek brown trout(I am referring to you and Tim, who seems to fall a few hundred miles short each May himself)?? This year won't be any different. I get really cranky during that week, 'cause I sure wish I could be there again. -- TL, Tim ------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote and can assure you, and any other damned soul that will listen, that "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish. Now, I haven't read any of this thread since I posted in it a couple days ago and WAY up there G Curious how anything could go on so long and noticing a few names of folks usually reasonable, I picked the name of a poster that has a history of being worth reading and opened Tom's offering WAY down here. Imagine my surprise to find thought of value in these murky depths !! I post, again having read only 3 or 4 entries in this thread ( I quit following when I see certain names more than twice in a thread ), only to say that MY experience is exactly what the quoted passage above says. A FEW times each year I wish for better casting skills, and even then almost always better accuracy not distance, I'd kill for better approach and wading ability and need them every single day of fishing. I guess I could check a few other posts further up to see if there is more of value .... nah, the odds just seem too great against it ... have "fun" ya'll |
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On 19 Mar 2007 07:45:13 -0700, wrote:
What is a "shooting head"? What can I do with it? Do I really need one? Mike, I think you're the right person here to whom I can ask my question. And the question is what would be the best combination of rod-reel-backing-line-tippet-fly for fishing with fast sinking shooting head? I mean in terms of rod length/weight, shoting head length/weight, backing length/diameter etc. And could you name a couple of brand names for the sinking shooting head line? I visited the Bass Pro shop but it's too confusing to me to find the right combination from the specs they provided. Thank you in advance. Vladimir L. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Larry L wrote:
( I quit following when I see certain names more than twice in a thread ), Which names in particular? -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Larry L wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote ... "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish. ... Imagine my surprise to find thought of value in these murky depths !! I post, again having read only 3 or 4 entries in this thread ( I quit following when I see certain names more than twice in a thread ), only to say that MY experience is exactly what the quoted passage above says. A FEW times each year I wish for better casting skills, and even then almost always better accuracy not distance, I'd kill for better approach and wading ability and need them every single day of fishing. ... Well, in Mike's defense he's talking about a whole different ballgame. I'd imagine when you're standing waist deep in the Baltic casting big streamers to small sea trout distance is more important than it is in the kind of fishing me and you Tom usually do. Stealth isn't an issue and wading ability means being able to stay on your feet when a wave hits. Not my cup of tea, I prefer little trout streams, but different strokes ... literally. -- Ken Fortenberry |
How much fly line?
On Mar 22, 5:24 pm, Vladimir L. wrote:
On 19 Mar 2007 07:45:13 -0700, wrote: What is a "shooting head"? What can I do with it? Do I really need one? Mike, I think you're the right person here to whom I can ask my question. And the question is what would be the best combination of rod-reel-backing-line-tippet-fly for fishing with fast sinking shooting head? I mean in terms of rod length/weight, shoting head length/weight, backing length/diameter etc. And could you name a couple of brand names for the sinking shooting head line? I visited the Bass Pro shop but it's too confusing to me to find the right combination from the specs they provided. Thank you in advance. Vladimir L. -- What do you want to use it for? What is your target quarry?. I need that information to give you a sensible answer. TL MC |
How much fly line?
A practical application, an extract form an article on Grayling
fishing. OK, we've all done it. read a book or a magazine article about some clever-****e who wanders around getting paid for catching fish. Often large ones, in interesting and exotic places, which we will never ever see. Wonderful pictures of various stream and river-scapes, and fantastic fish are depicted, perhaps a re-hash of some tactic or other we have all heard a hundred times before, a list of flies, some technical information on lines or rods etc, and that was it. Always disappoints the hell out of me in the end! Although I keep reading them all, or at least as many as I can afford! Long ago, I decided that if I could not visit all these places, then I must find a way of catching such fish and enjoying myself close to home. The reason I explain this, is that anybody reading this can do exactly the same. It requires some application and knowledge, but once you have this, you can not fail. The result is inevitable. After all we are only trying to fool a fish, this is not quantum mechanics. As I mentioned in a previous article, in my opinion #6 weight rods are far too heavy for most of this type of fishing, especially small stream fishing, and most especially for grayling fishing. "Oh of course", everybody doubtless thought at the time, and continued reading avidly, as they would also like to catch lovely fish on light gear, and then went on to wonder how I manage to cast a size six long shank weighted Woolly bugger, green tailed or otherwise, with such a rod. This is the monstrosity under discussion; Well, I will let you into a little secret. Just like all the other clever-****es, I cheat! There is no way you are going to be able to cast such a heavily weighted and wind resistant fly using a standard #3 weight set-up. It is pointless even trying, you will cry tears of frustration, and if the rod does not shatter the first time the heavy fly hits it, then you will doubtless break it across your knee, and curse the fool who ever suggested such a thing to oblivion and worse. There is however an extremely simple and effective trick which will allow you to cast such a monstrosity, in the manner I will presently describe, without any trouble at all, to the everlasting amazement of your angling companions, (who don't know the trick yet), and hopefully the inevitable downfall of large numbers of nice fish. This trick is absolutely germane to many of the techniques I use, I could not possibly do without it, and if forced to, I would probably not catch very much, certainly not many very large Grayling. So, enough suspense building, what do I actually do? Quite simple, I use a heavier line. I never need to cast more than thirty feet, and so I simply use a thirty-foot piece of #6 weight fly-line. I have no trouble at all hurling leaden monstrosities with such a line, and as I never have more than thirty feet of line out, the rod has no trouble handling it either. I have even used a piece of #8 weight line on a #3 weight rod without any problems at all. So why not use a #6 weight rod to start with? I hear you asking. Because that is not the same thing at all. If one fishes heavy flies on light tippets, then one must perforce use a light rod, as otherwise the rod will simply not provide enough cushioning effect, and the fish will break you. One may use 2 lb tippet on size six long shank woolly buggers with impunity, as long as the rod is light enough to cushion the fight of the fish. One must indeed constantly check the knots on such a leader, and also change the tippet at the slightest sign of abrasion, or after a hang- up etc. But it works perfectly well. Standard tapered leaders are useless for this type of fishing. One may use the butt of such a leader, but it must be modified, usually by adding a much heavier butt. We need a good length of light line in order to get down deep quickly, notwithstanding the very heavy fly, in order to stay in the "strike zone" as our American friends say, and a normal leader will not allow this. "Oh dear!", I hear some of you mumbling, "That does not sound much like the fly-fishing I know and love". At this particular point in time, one is bound to decide, does one wish to fish? Or does one wish to catch a few as well? Preferably large ones! For those of you already sickened by this philistine approach, then cease at once I beg you. Because it gets worse! Smile Most people go and buy a fishing rod somewhere, for any number of reasons, and then start trying to get the rest of the tackle they are of course then also obliged to buy, to match it in some way. This very rarely works, and is the main reason why many have awful trouble catching fish. In this particular instance, we require absolutely specific flies and leaders, in order to attain our objectives. All the other gear used is a direct result of this. If you want to try these methods on a #6 weight rod, then go ahead, but they will not work anywhere near as well. So, we have our fly, preferably the size six long shank weighted green tailed woolly bugger already mentioned. Other flies may be used, but this one works perfectly, and is easy to tie. There are no Grayling in the Baltic. I catch them in small rivers and streams. TL MC |
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