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slenon wrote:

The convention for separating the .sig from the body of a post is
dash, dash, space, return. Try it, you'll like it. A lot of newsreaders,
mine included, auotmagically ignore everything under the dash, dash,
space, return, which is why I'm replying to an empty post.

To answer your question, the educational ideal that you attribute to
me and the British actually originated with the Ancient Greeks, and
what you have missed is a well-rounded, liberal arts education. Same
thing happens here at Illinois, one of the better engineering schools
in the world. The students want a trade school, hell they don't even
have a foreign language requirement in the Engineering College here.
We graduate skilled tradesmen without critical thinking skills and
that's a crime, a far worse crime than Big 10 football, although being
force to watch this year's Illini could be called felonious assault.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Wolfgang" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote...
"slenon" wrote...
See what I mean?
Wolfgang

Well, I see that if you, Wolfgang, apply yourself just a bit more,
you can
achieve true schmuck status.

Let me know when you're through ****ing in the sandbox.

Stev, you're really making this too easy for him.
Grandma always said, "An unchallenged Wolfgang is an unhappy
Wolfgang."

One could wait for a more resonant cranium upon which to beat a
sonorous tattoo, but then one would be left wondering what to do in
the long dreary intervals and, as we all know, idle hands are the tool
of the Devil......who knows what sort of mischief one might fall prey
to while waiting for better opportunities to do good works.

Wolfgang
who, as can be seen from the above, has already been reduced by ennui
to the rather embarrassing expedient of killing time by making a
pastiche of haphazardly tossed metaphors. :(

Stev - Whatever you do, do NOT respond to this! It's a trap! An evil curse of a
trap with the bait of them thar big fancy dikshunairy words with the intent only
to further entangle. . . . er, never mind. Too late. Sorry, I couldn't get to
it sooner.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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Ken Fortenberry:

convention for separating the .sig from the body of a post

So noted.

To answer your question, the educational ideal that you attribute to
me and the British actually originated with the Ancient Greeks, and
what you have missed is a well-rounded, liberal arts education.

I can't address what is happening on today's campus. Perhaps it is as you
say. I no longer live in a collegiate community. My undergrad program
required a full dose of liberal arts to go along with the technical classes.
I still see no benefit in a professional athletics program. I don't see it
as mind broadening. And certainly, as such programs exist today, I would
see no case for any argument that they teach ethics or sportsmanship.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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"slenon" wrote in message
...


I can't address what is happening on today's campus.

That's o.k. I'm sure I speak for all of ROFFdom in acknowledging that
keeping a finger on the pulse of everything else in the world hardly
allows time enough to do such a frivolous topic what little justice it
deserves.

Perhaps it is as you say.

Have a care, sirrah! Such a concession is inevitably a first step
onto the slippery slope of mortality and its consequent fallibility.
I seen it happen to lots of guys.

I no longer live in a collegiate community.

Which, when you think about it, might go a long way toward explaining
your abject failure to apprehend the rudiments of dealing with a
collegial one.

Wolfgang

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
Wolfgang wrote:
"slenon" wrote in message

Perhaps it is as you say.


Have a care, sirrah! Such a concession is inevitably a first step
onto the slippery slope of mortality and its consequent
fallibility.
I seen it happen to lots of guys.

But not you! No, sirrah! :-)

Whatever Wolfgang's faults, he doesn't suffer from self doubt.

The common chub, while lacking from a sporting perspective and
unpleasing to the eye, is palatable enough when properly smoked, is
available throughout the year, and it's reckless assault on virtually
anything presented, albeit with another quarry in mind, has saved many
a humble neophyte from returning homeward, dignity and aspirations
crushed, with an empty creel.

Wolfgang

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...

That is one hell of a sentence.

The punishment should fit the crime.

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:
"slenon" wrote in message

Perhaps it is as you say.


Have a care, sirrah! Such a concession is inevitably a first step
onto the slippery slope of mortality and its consequent fallibility.
I seen it happen to lots of guys.

But not you! No, sirrah! :-)

Whatever Wolfgang's faults, he doesn't suffer from self doubt.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..

Typical Wolfgang -- prose just this side of the purple part of the
spectrum, intended to show his erudition, so superior to everyone
else's. It's a cheap trick.


You are certain of the authorship, then? :)

Wolfgang

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0700, rw
wrote:

It's a cheap trick.

Maybe, but even if so it is a well-executed cheap trick.

Too kind. It was certainly not in the same league as Charlie's
penetrating riposte.

Wolfgang

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Greg Pavlov wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:53:14 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


The common chub, while lacking from a sporting perspective and
unpleasing to the eye, is palatable enough when properly smoked, is
available throughout the year, and it's reckless assault on virtually
anything presented, albeit with another quarry in mind, has saved many
a humble neophyte from returning homeward, dignity and aspirations
crushed, with an empty creel.



That is one hell of a sentence.

Typical Wolfgang -- prose just this side of the purple part of the
spectrum, intended to show his erudition, so superior to everyone
else's. It's a cheap trick.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Stev
Don't take him too seriously, its hard to ignore but he is basically
cyclical. ie disassembles in a heap of word salad about every six months or
so. Some say he's not too bad to fish with. On a day-to-day basis he's more
like an annoying fly you can't quite swat. Cold weather coming in the rust
belt should slow him down a bit.

Dave

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slenon wrote in message ...
Curious. . . the Darkstar you refer to... is that Darkstar as in Alan
Furst, the writer?
Dave

No, Dave. Darkstar in this context refers to an improvisational musical
platform used by the Grateful Dead.

Oh. Well If you like finely detailed East Europe/France intrigue novels set
in pre-WWII, Furst is great and currently hot.
Dave

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Oh. Well If you like finely detailed East Europe/France intrigue novels
set
in pre-WWII, Furst is great and currently hot.
Dave

Thank you for the recommendation. Any particular title you'd suggest?
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
I was commenting on form, not content: I sure as
heck am not going to step in between you and rw.


All that would accomplish is getting your shoes wet.

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slenon wrote in message ...
Oh. Well If you like finely detailed East Europe/France intrigue novels
set
in pre-WWII, Furst is great and currently hot.
Dave

Thank you for the recommendation. Any particular title you'd suggest?
--
Latest is "The World at Night"

But all are in Random House trade paperback editions.
"Night Soldiers"
"The Polish Officer"
and of course . . . "Dark Star"

Not for everybody, the genius of Furst is in his ability to transport his
reader to pre-war Europe, into the Fascist and communist circles of the
time, etc.. Alan is a former co-islander, mentored somewhat by the late Jack
Olsen (genre.true crime) Furst relocated to Paris 10+ years ago. Now back in
the US, he is hot.

Dave

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...
Stev
Don't take him too seriously, its hard to ignore but he is basically
cyclical. ie disassembles in a heap of word salad about every six months
or
so. Some say he's not too bad to fish with. On a day-to-day basis he's
more
like an annoying fly you can't quite swat. Cold weather coming in the rust
belt should slow him down a bit.

Dave

Well, there ya go, Ste! Altogether, as sound an analysis and as good a bit
of advice as you are likely to get from anyone on this group. Now, I know
what you're thinking.....given his recent......um.....indiscretions.....with
regard to immigrants in general, and Jews in particular, you have
reservations about his judgment, am I right? I mean, we all know that I AM
an immigrant (and German, at that!) and therefore unpredictable and
inherently dangerous in the extreme, while you, by your own admission, are a
Jew. And thus, Dave, the Only Patriotic Man in America would be not only
perfectly within his rights, but actually performing a public service, if he
were to lull you into a false sense of security anent my intentions and
levels of public toxicity. What could be sweeter (from the point of view of
the Only Moral Man in America, that is) than to set us off on that same
old......um.....indelicate..... trail our not so distant ancestors trod to
the world's everlasting shame a few years back.......right? Well, set your
mind at ease. Go back to Dave's post and look closely at your
monitor.....go ahead, I'll wait. O.K., no spittle on the screen, right? No
foam, right? See, Dave got the meds straightened out......he'll be o.k.,
for a few days now.....no, really! Um......well now, wait a minute......we
gotta think this through carefully......I mean, a lot depends on
it......um.....o.k., so IF he's lucid now....and he certainly gives that
appearance.....then maybe....just maybe....he wants us to THINK that all the
anti-Semitic **** and the rabid bigotry is purely a result of the voices and
the secret codes embedded in "Tiger Beat" that he can only decipher when he
self-doses......and then.....and THEN......um......let's
se.....um.....um......um.....****, my brain hurts. :(

Anyway, if I were you I'd watch out for one of us! Hope this helps!
:)

Wolfgang
hey dave.............BOO!
hee, hee, hee.

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:36:21 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Maybe, but even if so it is a well-executed cheap trick.

Too kind. It was certainly not in the same league as Charlie's
penetrating riposte.


I was commenting on form, not content:

Yeah, so was I.

I sure as
heck am not going to step in between you and rw.

Well, suit yourself, but history suggests that between two warring ROFFians
is about as safe a place to stand as you can find on this planet. :)

Wolfgang

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"Stan Gula" wrote in message
...

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
...
I was commenting on form, not content: I sure as
heck am not going to step in between you and rw.


All that would accomplish is getting your shoes wet.

Well, if he wants to lend his shoes to Steve, who are we to interfere?

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote in message ...

SNIP DEVIL SPAWN CRAP

You throw around the terms "racist and anti-Semite, like someone trying to
over compensate for something. You deserve a really good verbal crack on the
snout. But I'll just say, You really ought to look into the Employee
Assistance Program at work.

To others reading this thread, Im no racist and Im no anti-Semite. Like
those in the Israeli Peace Now Movement, I do oppose Sharon's policies
against the Palestinians. I also do oppose Bush administration officials who
flirt with radical Zionism, and I do want past and present American
officials who have passed US secrets to foreign powers, punished. People can
disagree without hatred.

Dave

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
...

Wolfgang wrote in message ...

SNIP DEVIL SPAWN CRAP

You throw around the terms "racist and anti-Semite, like someone trying to
over compensate for something. You deserve a really good verbal crack on
the
snout. But I'll just say, You really ought to look into the Employee
Assistance Program at work.

To others reading this thread, Im no racist and Im no anti-Semite. Like
those in the Israeli Peace Now Movement, I do oppose Sharon's policies
against the Palestinians. I also do oppose Bush administration officials
who
flirt with radical Zionism, and I do want past and present American
officials who have passed US secrets to foreign powers, punished. People
can
disagree without hatred.

Dave

You want to play.....or you don't. Doesn't mean **** to me, really.
However, for your own piece of mind.....or what passes there for....I would
suggest you make up your mind before coming out on the floor. Or.......if
someone MADE you participate in this thread, I think you should report the
******* to the Trilateral Commission, the Masons, the (non-existent) Mosad,
and whoever else the voices tell you to. Then you should check into the
feasibility of dropping a thermonuclear device covering a wide geographic
area more or less including that in which the naughty offender resides.

Anyway, the common chub, while lacking from a sporting perspe......um, stop
me if you've heard this one....o.k.?

BOO! :)

Wolfgang
your move.

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
. ..


Typical Wolfgang -- prose just this side of the purple part of the
spectrum, intended to show his erudition, so superior to everyone
else's. It's a cheap trick.



You are certain of the authorship, then? :)

You've resorted to plagarism in the past,

Now, I ask you, how the **** would someone who doesn't read this tripe know
that? Huh?

so I wouldn't be surprised if you've nicked it from someone.

And that would be your idea of a cutting remark, would it? Not quite up to
the standard of "I'd vote for the bitch being drawn and quartered by those
self-same mules", either in taste or in literary quality, but I suppose
it'll have to do for now.

I also wouldn't be surprised at your taste in writing

Nor would you have anything resembling a clue as to what my tastes might be.

(with apologies to Greg).

Don't buy it, Greg. As I'm sure you have guessed long before now, this
piece of **** has never offerred a sincere apology to anyone in his life.
By the way, I hope you appreciate the fact that Stevie has seen fit to
include you in this little tea party. :)

Wolfgang
um.....p.s.
who do you suppose DID write that sorta violetish prose, huh,
steve?.....anything vaguely familiar about that style.....the syntax,
perhaps......peculiarities of punctuation....idiosyncratic tone.....notable
voice.....quirky mood?

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rw wrote:


Whatever Wolfgang's faults, he doesn't suffer from self doubt.


indeed...nor do those who've actually met and spent time with him doubt
his self, nor his doubtless suffering.

jeff (who is suckling at the nipple that used to be his elbow)

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Greg Pavlov wrote:

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:53:14 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


The common chub, while lacking from a sporting perspective and
unpleasing to the eye, is palatable enough when properly smoked, is
available throughout the year, and it's reckless assault on virtually
anything presented, albeit with another quarry in mind, has saved many
a humble neophyte from returning homeward, dignity and aspirations
crushed, with an empty creel.



That is one hell of a sentence.

obviously costructed after too many pasties, cheese toast with garlic.
and fine wine, while gazing longingly at the beauty of becky...

jeff (who admires the weakness in a man's soul)

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rw wrote:

It's a cheap trick.


um... well, i disagree on the "cheap" bit...but, as far as the magic
part, well, ok, i agree...

jeff (who knows art and pornography when he sees it)

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Wolfgang wrote:


pastiche of haphazardly tossed metaphors. :(



damn...i knew it...is that what i ate in michigan you *******!

jeff (still digestin it all)

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Jeff Miller wrote:


rw wrote:


Whatever Wolfgang's faults, he doesn't suffer from self doubt.


indeed...nor do those who've actually met and spent time with him doubt
his self, nor his doubtless suffering.

jeff (who is suckling at the nipple that used to be his elbow)

WHOA!!!!
You're suckling Wolfgang's elbow?

Man, this is getting weird......


Tom

n4tab at earthlink dot net

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oh jeezus dave... have you ever actually met and spent a moment with
wolfgang? for someone who seems to be driven by concrete data, logic,
and substance, this post reveals more about superficial qualities than
one would expect of an artist like yourself... perhaps you should visit
the rust belt more often, eh?

jeff

David Snedeker wrote:

Stev
Don't take him too seriously, its hard to ignore but he is basically
cyclical. ie disassembles in a heap of word salad about every six months or
so. Some say he's not too bad to fish with. On a day-to-day basis he's more
like an annoying fly you can't quite swat. Cold weather coming in the rust
belt should slow him down a bit.

Dave

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Jeff Miller wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:

pastiche of haphazardly tossed metaphors. :(

damn...i knew it...is that what i ate in michigan you *******!

Nah, that was probably the dangling participle bruschetta. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
. ..


Typical Wolfgang -- prose just this side of the purple part of the
spectrum, intended to show his erudition, so superior to everyone
else's. It's a cheap trick.



You are certain of the authorship, then? :)

You've resorted to plagarism in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised if
you've nicked it from someone. I also wouldn't be surprised at your
taste in writing (with apologies to Greg).

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:FDjmb.101242$AH4.52444@lakeread06...


.......gazing longingly at the beauty of becky...

Who, upon gazing at the above, says, "Awwwwww.......I just KNEW there was
something I liked about that boy! :) "

Wolfgang
well, they say there is no accounting for taste.

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"a-happy-up-yours" wrote in
message nk.net...
Jeff Miller wrote:


rw wrote:


Whatever Wolfgang's faults, he doesn't suffer from self doubt.


indeed...nor do those who've actually met and spent time with him doubt
his self, nor his doubtless suffering.

jeff (who is suckling at the nipple that used to be his elbow)

WHOA!!!!
You're suckling Wolfgang's elbow?

Man, this is getting weird......


Tom

Yeah, who'da thunk his lips were THAT long?!

Wolfgang
FEELS kinda weird too. :(

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ok...that coulda been a bit clearer writ for the drunk reader...
"suckling at the nipple of his own elbow"...will that do? i mean, you
have seen and appreciated my elbow, aint ya? g

jeff

a-happy-up-yours wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:



rw wrote:


Whatever Wolfgang's faults, he doesn't suffer from self doubt.


indeed...nor do those who've actually met and spent time with him
doubt his self, nor his doubtless suffering.

jeff (who is suckling at the nipple that used to be his elbow)

WHOA!!!!
You're suckling Wolfgang's elbow?

Man, this is getting weird......


Tom

n4tab at earthlink dot net

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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oh jeezus dave... have you ever actually met and spent a moment with
wolfgang? for someone who seems to be driven by concrete data, logic,
and substance, this post reveals more about superficial qualities than
one would expect of an artist like yourself... perhaps you should visit
the rust belt more often, eh?

jeff

Wellllll......let's not be hasty, o.k.? I mean, if he's wrong......well,
big deal, right? No harm done, really. BUT, what if he's right?!!

I mean, think of the ramifications, man! Good God! It could mean the end
of civilization as we know i.......um........hmmmm......

Wolfgang
sometimes a boy just don't know which way to jump. :(

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:


pastiche of haphazardly tossed metaphors. :(



damn...i knew it...is that what i ate in michigan you *******!

jeff (still digestin it all)

Nah, that was....like, similes. They looks a lot like metaphors but they's
a different sort of critter altogether. I think you'd like 'em.

Wolfgang
all golden brown in a baked pie crust......mmmm....mmm!

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Wolfgang wrote:


all golden brown in a baked pie crust......mmmm....mmm!



uuuurrrpppp!!!! oh god, it's like a stephen king short story...

jeff

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Jeff Miller wrote:
ok...that coulda been a bit clearer writ for the drunk reader...
"suckling at the nipple of his own elbow"...will that do? i mean, you
have seen and appreciated my elbow, aint ya? g

jeff

a-happy-up-yours wrote:

Jeff Miller wrote:



rw wrote:


Whatever Wolfgang's faults, he doesn't suffer from self doubt.


indeed...nor do those who've actually met and spent time with him
doubt his self, nor his doubtless suffering.

jeff (who is suckling at the nipple that used to be his elbow)

WHOA!!!!
You're suckling Wolfgang's elbow?

Man, this is getting weird......


Tom

n4tab at earthlink dot net



*Seen*, yeah, but "appreciated" is a bit of a reach. I'll admit to
seeing waldo casting a favorable eye toward your elbow, but, somehow, I
never connected.......uh.....well...uhh.....Man this *is* weird.

Just when you thought you'd seen it all.......elbow fetish.........



Tom

n4tab at earthlink dot net

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"a-happy-up-yours" wrote in
message nk.net...

Just when you thought you'd seen it all.......elbow fetish.........

Try thinking of it as a joint of fresh meat.......it helps.

Wolfgang
um.......or maybe not. :(

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In article ,
says...
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:22:37 -0700, rw
wrote:

It's a cheap trick.

Maybe, but even if so it is a well-executed cheap trick.


I was always a fan of cheap trick. "Live at Budokan" was
a masterpiece.

Kevin
non-sequitors-r-us

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Jeff Miller wrote in message ...
oh jeezus dave... have you ever actually met and spent a moment with
wolfgang? for someone who seems to be driven by concrete data, logic,
and substance, this post reveals more about superficial qualities than
one would expect of an artist like yourself... perhaps you should visit
the rust belt more often, eh?



Jeff, Ive met and spent time with at least a dozen or so "Wolfgangs" over
the years. Even had a few for "friends," at least till they blew their
brains out, or I got tired of cleaning up situations their obnoxious
behaviour engendered. I'm retired, and only have a select whacko
"caseload," so help yourself to his whawackneyness and God bless your
tolerance. You're a better man than me McGee.

And who says painters can't be superficial?

Dave

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*Seen*, yeah, but "appreciated" is a bit of a reach. I'll admit to
seeing waldo casting a favorable eye toward your elbow, but, somehow, I
never connected.......uh.....well...uhh.....Man this *is* weird.

Just when you thought you'd seen it all.......elbow fetish.........


Tom

aspersionist *******. i was lookin' at the bottle of vodka he was
holdin'.

btw, package delivered. greg's response was.... "tom must be
hinting that my knives are dull." later, as we were enjoying a
cold brew on his front porch overlooking the stream, he implied
that the tool was going to his adobe, not the lodge. steeles
(bowser) is doing fine and growing.... what a cool puppy.

--wally