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Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
In other words you're impotent, desperate and grasping at straws.
You do not like the folks on roff laughing at you but there's not
a thing on earth you can do to stop it. All you can do is make it
worse and you're doing a bang-up job of that.

Please, do carry on.

There is nobody else laughing here Kenny boy, they are waiting to see
what happens. ...

Anybody with a modicum of sense already knows what's going to
happen. Remember when you boasted confidently that you were
going to have my ISP yank my account ? The same thing is going
to happen now as happened then, that is nothing. If you really
did file a formal complaint with the FBI your name will be put
in yet another bozo bin. Face it Your Loony Mikeness, you are
a joke and you're in a deep hole of impotent, hysterical rage
digging ever deeper just as fast as you can. What a kook. LOL !!

Please, do carry on.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On 14 Sep, 03:43, "Rick" wrote:


Ken, I don't think those across the big pond understand what you are trying
to say... Releasing small fry into the waters and letting them feed in a
more natural state instead of FORCE feeding the fish at a high cost is
something they just don't know about I guess....

Rick In Wisconsin

Bad guess, he is just being the ****bag he is. He doesn´t know
anything at all about how European fisheries are run, and he doesn´t
care, he just wants to argue and abuse people. Which is basically all
he ever does. He imagines that he is somehow "top dog" here or
something equally silly, and he just has to **** on everything to make
sure it smells like him. He is so frightened that everybody will laugh
at him for his ignorance, that he deliberately provokes ****ing
matches and abuses others to try and cover up his near total ignorance
and inadequacy. Most people don´t say anything because they know the
****bag all too well, and he´ll just behave like the total asshole he
is, and start another ****ing match. I imagine most think it simply is
not worth the effort and bother involved.

It´s high time people started calling a spade a spade around here, and
ostracising those who do nothing else but start arguments and cause
problems. Maintaining all sorts of lies and bull****, taking every
single thread over with crap, and generally behaving like assholes.
Poisoning the atmosphere for everybody, and causing others to get
ratty as a side effect. I am extremely annoyed at having snapped at
Sandy Pittendrigh, he has one of the most useful and interesting
American oriented websites around, and I have once again to thank
Fortenberry for poisoning my genuine enjoyment of it, and ****ing off
somebody I like and respect.

The nasty slimy ******* does it all the time, plays one off against
the other, so he can jump in and **** people about. That´s not normal,
why should any sensible normal person accept it? Many people no longer
post here because of the obnoxious *******, hardly anybody ever does
anything, and those who do get no support. I don´t get along
particularly well with Wolfgang in the meantime, and it is probably
best if we avoid contact, but at least he speaks out against these
assholes who have more or less taken over this group.

I don´t want sympathy, or indeed anything else from any of you, but don
´t any of you want to get this place in order so that it is a pleasant
place to be? Where people can come and simply talk about their common
interest without a **** like Fortenberry screwing it up? If you don´t
do something, you might as well give up now.

Ah well, we shall see what we shall see............................

MC

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Mike wrote:
snip yet another loony tirade
Ah well, we shall see what we shall see............................

Yeah, my guess is you'll eventually discover you really are
the laughingstock of roff and you'll stomp out of here in a
royal hissy fit vowing never to return. But in the meantime,
please, do carry on.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...

It´s high time people started calling a spade a spade around here,

No. It's time we called it a ****ing shovel.

these assholes who have more or less taken over this group.

Seriously, it's just one of many unmoderated usenet newsgroups. No one here
has taken over anything. If there are people you don't like or "respect",
then ignore them. Walk away for a while, or whatever else one would normally
do to wait out frustration. At the end of the day, it's not relevant in
grand scheme of things. And speaking of trying to control things, it seems
to me lately you're the guy who has to post three or four replies to a
single post.

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Um Mister ****ums, I was taking Ken's side on this one not yours.. Get a
clue you pathetic waste of oxygen

Rick

And yes In know I top posted.. Did it on purpose..

"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 14 Sep, 03:43, "Rick" wrote:


Ken, I don't think those across the big pond understand what you are
trying
to say... Releasing small fry into the waters and letting them feed in a
more natural state instead of FORCE feeding the fish at a high cost is
something they just don't know about I guess....

Rick In Wisconsin

Bad guess, he is just being the ****bag he is. He doesn´t know
anything at all about how European fisheries are run, and he doesn´t
care, he just wants to argue and abuse people. Which is basically all
he ever does. He imagines that he is somehow "top dog" here or
something equally silly, and he just has to **** on everything to make
sure it smells like him. He is so frightened that everybody will laugh
at him for his ignorance, that he deliberately provokes ****ing
matches and abuses others to try and cover up his near total ignorance
and inadequacy. Most people don´t say anything because they know the
****bag all too well, and he´ll just behave like the total asshole he
is, and start another ****ing match. I imagine most think it simply is
not worth the effort and bother involved.

It´s high time people started calling a spade a spade around here, and
ostracising those who do nothing else but start arguments and cause
problems. Maintaining all sorts of lies and bull****, taking every
single thread over with crap, and generally behaving like assholes.
Poisoning the atmosphere for everybody, and causing others to get
ratty as a side effect. I am extremely annoyed at having snapped at
Sandy Pittendrigh, he has one of the most useful and interesting
American oriented websites around, and I have once again to thank
Fortenberry for poisoning my genuine enjoyment of it, and ****ing off
somebody I like and respect.

The nasty slimy ******* does it all the time, plays one off against
the other, so he can jump in and **** people about. That´s not normal,
why should any sensible normal person accept it? Many people no longer
post here because of the obnoxious *******, hardly anybody ever does
anything, and those who do get no support. I don´t get along
particularly well with Wolfgang in the meantime, and it is probably
best if we avoid contact, but at least he speaks out against these
assholes who have more or less taken over this group.

I don´t want sympathy, or indeed anything else from any of you, but don
´t any of you want to get this place in order so that it is a pleasant
place to be? Where people can come and simply talk about their common
interest without a **** like Fortenberry screwing it up? If you don´t
do something, you might as well give up now.

Ah well, we shall see what we shall see............................

MC

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On 14 Sep, 04:09, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
In other words you're impotent, desperate and grasping at straws.
You do not like the folks on roff laughing at you but there's not
a thing on earth you can do to stop it. All you can do is make it
worse and you're doing a bang-up job of that.

Please, do carry on.

There is nobody else laughing here Kenny boy, they are waiting to see
what happens. ...

Anybody with a modicum of sense already knows what's going to
happen. Remember when you boasted confidently that you were
going to have my ISP yank my account ? The same thing is going
to happen now as happened then, that is nothing. If you really
did file a formal complaint with the FBI your name will be put
in yet another bozo bin. Face it Your Loony Mikeness, you are
a joke and you're in a deep hole of impotent, hysterical rage
digging ever deeper just as fast as you can. What a kook. LOL !!

Please, do carry on.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wrong again Kenny boy, first of all, you do not possess a modicum of
sense, so you couldn´t possibly know what is going to happen, your
delusions blind you completely to sense, they force you to try and
assert yourself, even when you know it is impossible. You are a nasty
slimy inadequate ****bag, with an extreme inferiority complex, which
forces you to keep writing this **** in the fond hope that what you
write will actually then happen. At which point you would continue to
gloat like the evil delusional troll you are, But as I told you
before you poor tormented *******, you should not project your own
fears and inadequacies on to others. Most simply do not have them. I
certainly do not. Your silly gloating, and nonsensical
pronouncements, merely reflect your imbalanced mind and are premature
in the extreme.

Those with a modicum of sense have learned to stay out of your ****ing
matches, not only because most can doubtless **** further than you
anyway, and have absolutely no need to prove their superiority over an
inadequate little ****bag either, but because they are absolutely
pointless to anybody except you. You are basically just a nuisance,
but an extremely persistent one. They know perfectly well how you
carry on, at least as well as I do, and a couple are doubtless hoping
this one will simply run its course like others have done in the
past.

But it´s not going to happen Kenny boy, I am going to keep on replying
in a sensible, controlled and orderly fashion, while you get madder
and madder, because you cant stop yourself. You have no defences Kenny
boy, you are an inadequate ****bag, you know perfectly well that is
true, and you are just as powerless to change that as you are to
cease running off at the mouth in a completely forlorn and obviously
quite futile attempt to discredit me, and reassert your wrongly
assumed and extremely fragile superiority.

Apart from being rather annoyed with myself for a while for snapping
at Sandy, another thing I have to thank you for, I am quite calm,
and enjoying my coffee, while I carefully consider how to proceed. You
on the other hand are producing even more bull****, because you are
incapable of doing anything else.

I have stripped a few layers off you Kenny boy, and I have you by the
balls. I am in the process of attempting to decide whether to just
squeeze them a little, or cut them off altogether. You have
manoeuvered yourself into the **** Kenny boy, and the more you
struggle, the deeper you sink, and the more preposterous your
proclamations sound. Although you are a totally inadequate little
****bag you are not so stupid as not to realise I am right, and that
is what is causing you the most pain and problems. There is nothing
you can do, because not only am I obviously superior to you in almost
any fashion you care to think of, I am also right, and there is
nothing whatsoever you can do to change that. Everybody here knows it,
although some might not like it, but you are completely unable to
accept it. The charade you have been playing for years wont let you
go. Sorry Kenny boy, neither will I.

Any more ridiculous and completely futile statements to make?

MC

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On 14 Sep, 04:43, "Wayne Knight" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message

oups.com...

It´s high time people started calling a spade a spade around here,

No. It's time we called it a ****ing shovel.

these assholes who have more or less taken over this group.

Seriously, it's just one of many unmoderated usenet newsgroups. No one here
has taken over anything. If there are people you don't like or "respect",
then ignore them. Walk away for a while, or whatever else one would normally
do to wait out frustration. At the end of the day, it's not relevant in
grand scheme of things. And speaking of trying to control things, it seems
to me lately you're the guy who has to post three or four replies to a
single post.

Well, you might have been right, but I am fed up of walking away. It
achieves nothing, and the ****bags of the world think they have
somehow "won". Whatever it is they imagine they will win. I posted
perfectly normal angling posts, and Fortenberry ****ed them up on
purpose.

I don´t want to control anything at all except myself, I don´t mind
when people disagree with anything at all, they have a perfect right
to do so, but whatever I post results in a purposely provoked ****ing
match, and personal attacks, from a nasty inadequate ****bag.

MC

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On 14 Sep, 04:53, "Rick" wrote:
Um Mister ****ums, I was taking Ken's side on this one not yours.. Get a
clue you pathetic waste of oxygen

Rick

And yes In know I top posted.. Did it on purpose..



I am cut to the quick! :) Ken´s side of what? he hasn´t got a side,
just a massive inferiority complex. That your problem too?

MC

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Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Anybody with a modicum of sense already knows what's going to
happen. Remember when you boasted confidently that you were
going to have my ISP yank my account ? The same thing is going
to happen now as happened then, that is nothing. If you really
did file a formal complaint with the FBI your name will be put
in yet another bozo bin. Face it Your Loony Mikeness, you are
a joke and you're in a deep hole of impotent, hysterical rage
digging ever deeper just as fast as you can. What a kook. LOL !!

Please, do carry on.

snip lunatic rant
Any more ridiculous and completely futile statements to make?

Refer to the one above I wrote last night. It's my
one-size-fits-all response to silly threats from
impotent kooks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Muggets
 

Mike wrote:
Well, if you had any sense you would avoid Fortenberry like the plague

I'm going to sign off this (adjective unavailable) thread
now. (Heavenly father, free at last). But it is worth pointing
out that Ken Fortenberry is harmless. All you--or anybody else--have
to do is ignore his (or anybody else's) taunting posts. Think of it
this way:
when somebody insults you, and you react, you've given them
exactly what they wanted. You've already lost the battle.
And when you don't give them what they wanted, you've won,
without doing anything at all. That's called having your cake
and eating it too.

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On Sep 13, 3:58 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:49:44 -0700, Mike
wrote:



Sorry Kenny boy. I very rarely drink at all nowadays and I am
absolutely sober right now. You are going to have to do better than
clutching at hopeless straws like that. I think I might put a nice
page up on my site, linking to some of the choicest posts you ever
made on here, especially the really nasty ones. Might be quite
interesting to see the results.

You are a nasty lying inadequate little ****, with no hope of
concealing that fact, there is no way out, you can´t discredit me
because nobody with any sense, or who knows me, will believe you. You
are just going to end up with more and more people seeing you for what
you are. Every single hopeless and frightened post you send here,
merely serves to confirm what I wrote, simply because otherwise you
would not do it. It is eating at your nasty inadequate guts isn´t it?
You are absolutely powerless to do anything about it, and I haven´t
even started yet. You have caused myself and others a lot of grief in
the past, with your nasty lying sneaky ways. That is never going to
happen again Kenny boy. You are going to have to learn to live with
your hopeless inadequacy, and I am going to remind you of it all the
time.You are going to get more and more hopelessly entangled in your
own web of ****, and you are going to be terrified by it, believe me.
It may even enrage you. Good, because then you will make even more
mistakes, like the lying deceitful nasty inadequate little **** bag
you are. What frightens you is that you know it don´t you?

Calling me a queer, or a drunk, or my family ****s, or any and all of
the really nasty things you have done to me and others, will do you no
good at all.

You can´t win Kenny boy, because you know you are inadequate, and you
are equally aware that I am not.

Come on Kenny boy, what´s the matter? Run out of bull**** and lies
already? It frightens you to know that somebody has you that well
pegged doesn´t it? Others wont be far behind either, when they
realise what you are, and all they have to do is tell you they know,
and you will just fold, simply because you are a nasty inadequate
piece of abusive ****, who is terrified of his own inadequacy.

You aren´t going to abuse anybody on here with impunity ever again
Kenny boy.

MC

Now I'm REALLY reminded of Cartman jacking off a dog...


SPLORK VAN MU! Is anybody still giving out POTW awards?

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On 14 Sep, 14:03, salmobytes wrote:
Mike wrote:
Well, if you had any sense you would avoid Fortenberry like the plague

I'm going to sign off this (adjective unavailable) thread
now. (Heavenly father, free at last). But it is worth pointing
out that Ken Fortenberry is harmless. All you--or anybody else--have
to do is ignore his (or anybody else's) taunting posts. Think of it
this way:
when somebody insults you, and you react, you've given them
exactly what they wanted. You've already lost the battle.
And when you don't give them what they wanted, you've won,
without doing anything at all. That's called having your cake
and eating it too.

That is perfectly true, but the ****bag ruins every discussion. People
avoid any threads he posts to, and that makes the discussion
pointless.

Anyway, sorry I got ratty at you.

TL
MC

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On 14 Sep, 13:10, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Refer to the one above I wrote last night. It's my
one-size-fits-all response to silly threats from
impotent kooks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

You still here ****bag? You already lost whatvever it is you thought
you might win Kenny boy, nobody with any sense will ever take you
seriously, nobody will ever like or respect you. You are completely
wasting your time. Everybody knows you have nothing to say worth
hearing.

MC

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Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Refer to the one above I wrote last night. It's my
one-size-fits-all response to silly threats from
impotent kooks.

You still here ...

Always, but I'm surprised you are. I had considered you
quite loony but at the core rational enough as rational
enough goes. But any person who could post the disgusting
drivel you posted here yesterday and then have the audacity
to come back the next day is not rational. I fully expected
you would disappear in shame, as any rational person would.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On 14 Sep, 19:44, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Refer to the one above I wrote last night. It's my
one-size-fits-all response to silly threats from
impotent kooks.

You still here ...

Always, but I'm surprised you are. I had considered you
quite loony but at the core rational enough as rational
enough goes. But any person who could post the disgusting
drivel you posted here yesterday and then have the audacity
to come back the next day is not rational. I fully expected
you would disappear in shame, as any rational person would.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Everybody knows what you are ****bag. Your posturing and bull****ting
will do you no good whatsoever. When you attack others, you reveal
more and more of yourself. You simply revealed too much Kenny boy, and
people know what you are. Most will now avoid you, some will even
counsel others to avoid you. I suppose the majority will merely
ignore you, because you are the source of many problems, as a result
of your inadequacy and stupidity.

This is not about me Kenny boy, it´s about you.

Telling me I am not rational, or should feel shame, is merely another
face of your delusional inadequacy. You use the same tactics all the
time,to try and bolster your own self esteem, and browbeat others. It
wont work any more Kenny boy.

Although quite a few people are doubtless fed up with reading this
****, none of them thinks I am irrational. They recognise the truth
when they see it. There is nothing you can do to change that Kenny
boy. So you can keep on posting this **** as long as you like, nobody
cares what you post on this matter, least of all I.

Apart form warning people about you, I will now also ignore you,
because there is no good reason to converse with a worthless piece of
**** on anything at all, except to show that he is in fact a worthless
piece of ****.

MC

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On Sep 13, 2:57?am, Mike wrote:
On 13 Sep, 00:54, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:





Mike wrote:
Why would you want to catch plastic, artificially coloured trout, from
an artificial enclosure anyway? Quite apart from the extreme
environmental impact occasioned by the breeding and rearing of such
fish.

If you ever get the chance to eat a piece of fresh run seatrout, then
you should probably avoid it, as it will immediately cure you of any
illusions in respect to the taste of force fed rainbows forever. Then
there would be no point in catching them either.

I'd rather fish for wild fish as opposed to stockers but fishing
for stockers is better than no fishing at all. And to say that
there's no point in catching fish which don't taste like wild
fish is just silly. There are many reasons to catch a fish that
have nothing whatsoever to do with how the fish tastes compared
to wild fish.

The one thing that strikes me about Mr. MacPherson's report is
how lucky I am to be an angler in North America.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ah well, as this is a serious and important subject, I will do my best
to enlighten you on the matter. In order to produce a 3lb stock
rainbow, at least ten pounds, even by extremely conservative
estimates, of wild marine protein is required. Other estimates and
independent studies place this figure much higher. This protein is
obtained by raping the seas, damaging ecosystems beyond hope of
recovery, and decimating the food chain. The result is still far
inferior, both genetically and in the small matter of taste, than any
wild fish.

So people who fish for "stockers" are financing the inevitable
collapse of the oceans. This is already quite far gone in many
regions.

So, "fishing for stockers", is most emphatically not better than no
fishing at all, indeed it contributes significantly to the demise of
wild fish. Which will actually eventually result in there being no
fishing at all, and a lot sooner than many people realise.. The
levels of fish meal being produced for various purposes, already
exceeds the ocean´s capacity to recover form such irresponsible
pillage, and is increasing exponentially, as more and more greedy
salmon and other marine farmers realise that they can make a very
great deal of money by destroying the environment, producing an
inferior result, and incidentally wiping out whole systems of
anadromous fish. Ably assisted by large numbers of blind, ignorant,
and often corrupt politicians, and anglers who fish for such stocked
fish.

The ten or so pounds of evil tasting, genetically inferior, more or
less tame, force fed muck, that Mr.McPherson dragged out of Farmoor,
and then soaked in Grand Marnier, likely cost about forty pounds of
marine protein. The fish meal/oil producer made money on it, the fish
breeder/rearer made money on it, the people who sold Mr.McPherson the
tickets made money on it, and Mr.McPherson still does not know what a
fish tastes like.

The losers were, Mr.Mc.Pherson, and the environment, which wont be
losing for much longer, as it simply can not sustain that level of
damage for long.

This is considerably exacerbated by the fact that despite ongoing
research, there is no substitute for the fish oil in raising and
feeding salmonoids and some other fish.

So it´s not just about the taste.

Mr. Asadi is quite correct, and I agree with him.

MC- Hide quoted text -

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"In order to produce a 3lb stock
rainbow, at least ten pounds, even by extremely conservative
estimates, of wild marine protein is required. "
Time to go back to google. There's a place not far from here that
makes ingredients for fish food. The fish are processed to make
fillets and the guts, feathers fins and tails are used to make "wild
marine protein". In addition to fish they process a lot of Dungeness
crab nearby and the left over parts of the crab are ground up and made
into fish food. Those crab shells along with shrimp shells contain
some strange artifical chemical that cause the flesh of trout to turn
red.

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On 14 Sep, 21:58, BJ Conner wrote:

Time to go back to google. There's a place not far from here that
makes ingredients for fish food. The fish are processed to make
fillets and the guts, feathers fins and tails are used to make "wild
marine protein". In addition to fish they process a lot of Dungeness
crab nearby and the left over parts of the crab are ground up and made
into fish food. Those crab shells along with shrimp shells contain
some strange artifical chemical that cause the flesh of trout to turn
red.

I don´t need Google for that, but you need to learn to read, so here´s
an extract and a link for you;

QUOTE

What Is Fishmeal

Fishmeal is a generic term for a nutrient-rich feed ingredient used
primarily in diets for domestic animals, sometimes used as a high-
quality organic fertilizer. Fishmeal can be made from almost any type
of seafood but is generally manufactured from wild-caught, small
marine fish that contain a high percentage of bones and oil, and
usually deemed not suitable for direct human consumption. These fishes
are considered 'industrial' since most of them are caught for the sole
purpose of fishmeal and fish oil production. A small percentage of
fishmeal is rendered from the by-catch of other fisheries, and by-
products or trimmings created during processing (e.g., fish filleting
and cannery operations) of various seafood products destined for
direct human consumption.

UNQUOTE

http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/...aculture-diets

You might also look up "Industrial fishing" while you are about it.

MC

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wrote in message
...
Soon on the lam,
R

I've got a place for you to hide out. Pack a 5 weight
rod and some fly boxes.
Tom

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"Jeff Marso" wrote in message
ups.com...
SPLORK VAN MU! Is anybody still giving out POTW awards?

I think that trophy was retired a while back after the
same folks win it, sequentially. I may be wrong.....
Tom