"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 6, 7:14*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:



On Jan 5, 10:01*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. *Remember, you're talking to someone
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there..

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years. *
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. *What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 2010-01-06 12:33:02 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 6, 7:14*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:



On Jan 5, 10:01*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. *Remember, you're talking to someo
ne
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there
.

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years. *
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. *What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

I guess. I've given up long ago trying to figure out the little one

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

Welcome aboard the welfare train. There used to be three of us: Frank
Sr., Frank Jr., and me. Frank Sr, eft awhile back. Probably the best
thing he's ever done. d;o)

Dave, CPO, USN, ret.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 6, 9:33*am, MajorOz wrote:

Oz. I am just using your post to respond because its the last. This
post is to all the above.

We can continue this stuff endlessly. Who is to blame society/economy
versus the individual. Fact is its both as far as my personal beliefs/
experience etc.. But that is irrelevant when it comes to helping a
FAMILY member , or a really close friend out of the muck. We on ROFF
can (and will ) go on contrasting our personal beliefs in a
superiority dance cleverly demonstrating "truths" WITHOUT ever DOING
anything long enuf or intensively enuf to effect a change in the lives
of people we care about who ----------------------- (choose one or
mo a. have made bad choices, b. are victims of the recession, c.
voted for the antichrist, d. are pawns in the capitalist game).

Like I said before ... I doubt there is any man here, no matter where
he starts on your or my "scale of proper compassion," who ... could
not do more and start with a down and out family member or close
friend. That's the real choice for most of us.

Dave

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 5, 10:00*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 17:21:22 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:



"David LaCourse" wrote in message
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the only answer you have is
to turn away and ignore them?

no, I'm saying generation to generation poverty has been part of our economy
since this nation started. Nothing 'pathetic' about it, it's built into the
system. It's good that you do something to help. I try to do likewise.

It's not built into the system, you yo-yo. *Every kid in my
neighborhood "made it", even the few the went to jail at 18 yo. *Sure,
there must be someplace, probably in WV or Kentucky where poverty
continues generation to generation, but what I see, the people I see
and try to help, are habitual. *Many of them have become accustomed to
their way of life. *And, like David has noted, there is no male, no
father or grandfather, in their lives. *Many of the woman, as I have
stated, have multiple children by multiple men. *THAT is a decision. *
That is a choise they have made. *That is what makes them pathetic
(sad). *That is only part of the problem. *We have more men and women
(as a % of the over-all population) incarcerated in this country than
any other. *Many of those at the pantry have someone behind bars.



*Shame on you. *I call them pathetic
meaning sad, not *your* usual meaning of the word contemptuous pity. There
are five food banks/pantries available to them once a month. *They visit
all of them and get enough food for an entire month. *That is sad. *A five
year limit on welfare? *There is no limit on how long these sad souls can
live in subsidized housing or visit the food pantries.

no. And, while you might backpedal now and parse your use of pathetic, you
are all too willing to guess about their politics/voting(as if you really
know) and pass judgement elsewhere.

I'm not parsing my use of pathetic. *I have always used it when
describing the people that I have come in contact with, and its meaning
has always been sad, not contempuous pity like you always use. *I may
pity some of these folks, but it is not contempuous. *I have no contemp
for them, just pity and sadness.

We have literally lost three generations of peope because they rely on
government entitlements.

this is where you let politics get in the way of clear thinking.

What politics? *That several generations of poor people have become
reliant on the U.S. Government for their existence? *Sorry, but that's
not politics, Tom. *That pure American history.

We've had
poverty, generation-to-generation poverty, and you apparently only started
noticing it in the past 20 years.

I started noticing it when I was a kid and my father brought home to me
argyle socks, *woolen* argyle socks, that his boss' children wore. *I
started noticing poverty when it dawned on me that I had to get a paper
route if I wanted things. *And if I really wanted things, like my *own*
argyle socks, I had to pick shade grown tobaccoo at age 14. *I noticed
it when we turned on the hot water heater to take a bath. *Don't talk
to me about poverty, Tom. * *But I was more fortunate than many kids in
my neighborhood. *My father wasn't a drunk and worked hard, until dying
at age 67 behind the wheel of his tanker rig. *He and my mom taught me
to fish, both spin and fly, and I was the only kid in the neighborhood
to go on a vacation every summer with his parents.

Hell, the same families that were poor in
VA in 1800 still are today. Sure, there are a few that break the cycle, but
the system is set up to make that a challenge.

Horse caca. *Yeah, there is generation to generation poverty in the
coal country of WV, VA, and Appiliatia in general. *And if those kids
were taught better in school that they too could become someone, if
they were taught that serving in the military is a great way to break
out of the same poverty routine they've seen all their lives, perhaps
they could. *Challenge, smallenge. *Who the hell has NOT been
challenged in life? *All of life is a challenge and if you don't learn
that early in your life, you probably are doomed.

One of the greatest crocks o'
crap ever sold is the Horatio Alger ideal. By and large, our nation just
doesn't work that way.

Another horse caca. *Tell that to Hector, Norman, Ralph, Richard,
Junior, et al. *All kids I grew up with in poverty. *We all made it. *
Tell that to my two nephews who got bad conduct discharges from the
Army and Navy and have grown up to be successful tradesmen. *Tell it to
Bill Gates.

Perhaps, in Obama, they felt they
saw someone who might effect a change in that. In my experiences, most of
the folks who I've encountered receiving welfare, food stamps, going to the
food bank, etc., don't like that situation, and work like the devil to
change it. Sometimes, they get discouraged, but by and large, it is not some
sort of lifestyle choice.

More caca, Tom. *Periodically, maybe three or four times a year for at
least a month, we have to fill out some paperwork for each of our
clients. *One of the questions is, "Do you work." *All answer no. *The
next question is "Are you capable of working?" *Some say yes, most say
no. *Yes, some break out of the system and become self reliant, but as
a whole, most do not (not including elderly in that). *That's why we
see them week, month, year after year.

And, it is going to get worse, Tom. *Count on it. *Unemployment is
going to rise because nothing is being done to check it. *You do not
raise taxes in hard times. *You lower them. *The best Dem in my life,
JFK, was aware of that little economic tid bit. *Perhaps that is why I
voted for the man.

Dave

Has it ever occurred to you to wonder whether is anything at all in
this world that you understand? Have you ever wanted to understand
something......anything?

Moron.

Pig.

g.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 5, 10:44*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 5, 4:21*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:





"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010508470016807-dplacourse@aolcom...
the only answer you have is

to turn away and ignore them?

no, I'm saying generation to generation poverty has been part of our economy
since this nation started. Nothing 'pathetic' about it, it's built into the
system. It's good that you do something to help. I try to do likewise.

*Shame on you. *I call them pathetic

meaning sad, not *your* usual meaning of the word contemptuous pity. There
are five food banks/pantries available to them once a month. *They visit
all of them and get enough food for an entire month. *That is sad. *A five
year limit on welfare? *There is no limit on how long these sad souls can
live in subsidized housing or visit the food pantries.

no. And, while you might backpedal now and parse your use of pathetic, you
are all too willing to guess about their politics/voting(as if you really
know) and pass judgement elsewhere.

We have literally lost three generations of peope because they rely on
government entitlements.

this is where you let politics get in the way of clear thinking. We've had
poverty, generation-to-generation poverty, and you apparently only started
noticing it in the past 20 years. Hell, the same families that were poor in
VA in 1800 still are today. Sure, there are a few that break the cycle, but
the system is set up to make that a challenge.

Well........DUH..........LIFE is a challenge.

One of the greatest crocks o'
crap ever sold is the Horatio Alger ideal.

Almost all those achievers I know came from loooowwwww beginnings.
They did so by working hard and recognizing what is important and what
is not.

By and large, our nation just
doesn't work that way. Perhaps, in Obama, they felt they
saw someone who might effect a change in that. In my experiences, most of
the folks who I've encountered receiving welfare, food stamps, going to the
food bank, etc., don't like that situation, and work like the devil to
change it.

Then they chose the wrong devil. *Working hard doesn't help. *You must
work smart.
Working hard to make a great mud pie gives you a..........mud pie.

Sometimes, they get discouraged, but by and large, it is not some
sort of lifestyle choice.

With few exceptions (physical impairment, etc.) is IS a choice.

cheers

oz, who makes choices

Tut tut......your humility is exceeded only by your modesty. In fact,
as is obvious, you make GOOD choices. You and davie are a lot alike.

g.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 5, 10:01*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. *Remember, you're talking to someone
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there.

Davey

Really?

I'm pretty sure Frank has a job.

giles

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 6, 7:14*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:





On Jan 5, 10:01*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. *Remember, you're talking to someone
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there..

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years.

Nogt quite that long, I think. Maybe.

He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

Nah, I refer to your life as a life on welfare. I've known many a
career military veteran who earned a pension. You, on the other hand,
are a pig.....and a liar.....and an idiot.....and a welfare queen with
a very bad perm.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

The one thing I've never been able to hide from the keenest wits in
all of ROFFdom.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military.

Well, that's true enough, according to what I've heard.

What is good for me must also apply to my friend Frank.

You would doubtless benefit from a two by four upside the head.....or,
at least it wouldn't do you any harm. Frank, on the other hand, has
already been there and, if we are to believe him (I do) it hasn't done
him all that much good in the long run.

By the way, yes, I think Frank is your friend. But you are not his.

Dave

pig

idiot

liar

g.
hey Frank! aren't you glad you got invited into this by the one
person in roff who vilifies, excoriates, defames, impunes and just
generally spits on military veterans (of which, if memory still
serves, I am one myself) more than all the rest combined? :)

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 6, 11:33*am, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 6, 7:14*am, David LaCourse wrote:





On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 5, 10:01*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. *Remember, you're talking to someone
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there.

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years. *
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. *What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

Oh? You've met Frank? Interesting. Most of us who know him (and
there are many) would not characterize him as "a wanna-be who never
was." I don't think anyone who knows him could ever doubt that, in
fact, he most certainly IS. Well, for the time being anyway. If we
were an insurance company....... :(

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

Imbecile.

g.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 6, 12:36*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-06 12:33:02 -0500, MajorOz said:





On Jan 6, 7:14 am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 5, 10:01 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39 am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. Remember, you're talking to someo
ne
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there
.

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years.
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

I guess. *I've given up long ago trying to figure out the little one

You're a liar.

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

Welcome aboard the welfare train. *There used to be three of us: *Frank
Sr., Frank Jr., and me. *Frank Sr, eft awhile back.

"us"?? Hee, hee, hee. :)

Probably the best
thing he's ever done. *d;o)

Better than twenty or more years of service to his country?

Dave, CPO, USN, ret, IDIOT, PIG, LIAR, QUEEN notret.

g.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 5, 9:54*pm, "Fred" wrote:
*question of what do group members really share. In
the wide sense, everyone associated with this group, including
Beanster, M---, bummed out formers, etc everyone shares a raft of
beliefs about the natural world, wild things, and the performance of
the fishing ritual. That's a lot, not everything but allot. Maybe
that's as good as it gets for testosterone friendly groups. But it
doesn't answer the question of why so much effort and ego goes into
the political stuff.(?)

Dave
Meaculpa

When youi find the answer to this please let me know

And if he does......how will you know?

Perhaps the flame wars on ROFF answer your question re political feud and
others as a microcosm

Flame wars? In ROFF? God bless the children and the idiots. :)

They are definitely ego related

Ego? In ROFF? :)

An isolated group w/ similar interests and there are ridiculous wars

Which someone with your acumen would never be tricked into
participating in.......right? :)

I guess that Humans fight politically for ego & testosterone driven
ideals???

No. They fight for stupidity.

In the real world

Oh? You've visited?

*- Sometimes they kill ea other and a whole lot of effort, lives *$$$ ,ego
*and testerone is devoted and spent on these real wars

Funny no one but you has noticed till now, huh?

It's nuts

Nah. It's the ebb and flow of life. It's doing the right thing
because you know it's right.....cuz somebody said so. It's the
inability to refrain from reading and responding to what you loath in
yourself. It's a superiority that manifests itself in reviling what
one disagrees with and wishing it would go away.....so that one could
ignore it.....which one can't.

*So again if you get the answer please lemme' know

And how will you know when someone lets you know?

Mea culpa tambien

Youa cupla cardsshort.

Soren Kierkegaard

Funny, you don't LOOK Irish.

g.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 5, 10:09*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 18:51:02 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:



"David LaCourse" wrote in message
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*They truly need help, but many have made
bad decisions and continue to make more bad decisions, and ride the system
for all it's worth. They are happy with their lives, afaik, and wouldn't
change if it meant working for what they get.

and, if you wonder, THIS is the absolute piece of stupidity that drew my
ire. You dare to call yourself a Christian?? Judge not, lest......etc, etc.

Get off your high horse, Rev. Tom. *They *have* made bad decisions, and
*continue* to make bad decisions. *And they seem happy. *I talk at
length with many of them and they seem like happy people. *But the U.S.
Government has supported them for years and years. *It has become a way
of life. *I am not, nor do I mean, to judge anyone of these people. *
Their choices in life were bad. *If that is judging them, then I am
guilty. *But, your words come right back at you, Tom. *You're judging
me. *No mistaking that!

Ah! They're happy! Happy, happy, happy! :)

g.
who has never before wished so strenuously to be a welfare
queen.....with a bad perm.

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On Jan 5, 10:45*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 5, 5:51*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:201001041720588930-dplacourse@aolcom...
*They truly need help, but many have made

bad decisions and continue to make more bad decisions, and ride the system
for all it's worth. They are happy with their lives, afaik, and wouldn't
change if it meant working for what they get.

and, if you wonder, THIS is the absolute piece of stupidity that drew my
ire. You dare to call yourself a Christian?? Judge not, lest......etc, etc.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Observations are not judgments.

cheers

oz

And judgments are not observations.

On the other hand, an idiot is pretty much a moron.

Imbecile.

g.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

hell, Giles. My one exchange with David got you enough material for a string
of posts. I suppose, at the root of it, I should neither be surprised that
Dave will stretch the truth, or make suppositions, to make some supposed
political point. It's probably my mistake to bother pointing them out.
Still, little in these sorts of exchanges irks me more than the old chestnut
of, "The Poor like being poor and getting handouts. It's a lifestyle
choice." More patent bull**** cannot be slung, and yet, so many seemingly
otherwise decent people entertain themselves(or assuage their dwindling
consciences) with this very notion.
Tom

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 2010-01-06 12:33:02 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 6, 7:14*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:



On Jan 5, 10:01*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. *Remember, you're talking to someo
ne
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there
.

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years. *
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. *What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

Yeah, a wanna-be sumtin or other.

Hey, ain't it grand to get that retirement check every month. wink
wink Free medical with TriCare for Life. PX/commissary privs. big
G

I retired when I was 38, so there was plenty of time for a civilian
career. I retired from GTE (now Verizon) after 19 years with one of
those golden parachute buy-outs. I was still young enough for yet
another career teaching cops (State Police in VT and MA) high
performance driving/pursuit training. It was one of those jobs were
you say to yourself, "They are actually *paying* me $400/day plus
expenses to do this?" Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Joanne and I are on the road, on our way to a new winter home in
Georgia. We are in Roanoke, VA (697 miles from Mass. in 10 hours) at
bro-in-law. We'll finish the rest of the trip tomorrow. Supposed to
snow!

Be well

Dave

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 2010-01-07 17:24:07 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:

hell, Giles. My one exchange with David got you enough material for a string
of posts. I suppose, at the root of it, I should neither be surprised that
Dave will stretch the truth, or make suppositions, to make some supposed
political point. It's probably my mistake to bother pointing them out.
Still, little in these sorts of exchanges irks me more than the old chestnut
of, "The Poor like being poor and getting handouts. It's a lifestyle
choice." More patent bull**** cannot be slung, and yet, so many seemingly
otherwise decent people entertain themselves(or assuage their dwindling
consciences) with this very notion.
Tom

What a crock of ****, Littleton. Get off your high horse and do
something besides talk liberal ****. Get out there. Meet and serve
those less fortunate than you. Many of the men and women I meet two or
three times a week at the pantry *are* satisfied with their lives, or
at least do not complain about their lot in life. Thanks to your
savior Obama, the unemployment rolls are getting higher, and more and
more people are using any services they can find. These people are NOT
happy. They are down right discouraged, and VERY ANGRY at the fools in
Washington. But the street person who hasn't worked in gawdknowswhen,
you know the one that smells and hasn't bathed in awhile, seems
content. He/she is good natured, quick to be your friend, and is more
than overjoyed for anything you can do for him/her. Ya ever hugged
someone like that, Tom? Ever shake their hand? You probably couldn't
without wanting to wash their filth off of you. You are the one that
is pathetic, Tom. You hide behind your politics saying to yourself, "I
voted for The Man, The Big O. He'll fix everything. I don't have to
look at, serve, or touch these unwashed people. Obama will do it for
me." Horse puckies.

Get out and do it yourself, Tom. Biden, your hero (who makes Dan
Quayle look like a genius) will help you I am sure. Not all the people
are as I have described them above, but they are out there. And there
are others, Tom, the ANGRY ones. You will hear more from them very
soon.

David
(And you kiss ass better than anyone I've ever met. You disappoint me, Thomas)

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 7-Jan-2010, David LaCourse wrote:

?" Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Sounds good to me except for the golf.
You have my congratulations and wishes for best of luck.

I am on the brink of retirement myself right now.

Fred
I

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 7, 8:25*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-07 17:24:07 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:

hell, Giles. My one exchange with David got you enough material for a string
of posts. I suppose, at the root of it, I should neither be surprised that
Dave will stretch the truth, or make suppositions, to make some supposed
political point. It's probably my mistake to bother pointing them out.
Still, little in these sorts of exchanges irks me more than the old chestnut
of, "The Poor like being poor and getting handouts. It's a lifestyle
choice." More patent bull**** cannot be slung, and yet, so many seemingly
otherwise decent people entertain themselves(or assuage their dwindling
consciences) with this very notion.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

What a crock of ****, Littleton. *Get off your high horse and do
something besides talk liberal ****. *Get out there. *Meet and serve
those less fortunate than you. *Many of the men and women I meet two or
three times a week at the pantry *are* satisfied with their lives, or
at least do not complain about their lot in life. *Thanks to your
savior Obama, the unemployment rolls are getting higher, and more and
more people are using any services they can find. *These people are NOT
happy. *They are down right discouraged, and VERY ANGRY at the fools in
Washington. *But the street person who hasn't worked in gawdknowswhen,
you know the one that smells and hasn't bathed in awhile, seems
content. *He/she is good natured, quick to be your friend, and is more
than overjoyed for anything you can do for him/her. *Ya ever hugged
someone like that, Tom? *Ever shake their hand? *You probably couldn't
without wanting to wash their filth off of you. *You are the one that
is pathetic, Tom. *You hide behind your politics saying to yourself, "I
voted for The Man, The Big O. *He'll fix everything. *I don't have to
look at, serve, or touch these unwashed people. *Obama will do it for
me." *Horse puckies.

Get out and do it yourself, Tom. *Biden, your hero (who makes Dan
Quayle look like a genius) will help you I am sure. *Not all the people
are as I have described them above, but they are out there. *And there
are others, Tom, the ANGRY ones. *You will hear more from them very
soon.

David
(And you kiss ass better than anyone I've ever met. *You disappoint me, Thomas)

Moron.

g.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 7, 8:25*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-07 17:24:07 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:

hell, Giles. My one exchange with David got you enough material for a string
of posts. I suppose, at the root of it, I should neither be surprised that
Dave will stretch the truth, or make suppositions, to make some supposed
political point. It's probably my mistake to bother pointing them out.
Still, little in these sorts of exchanges irks me more than the old chestnut
of, "The Poor like being poor and getting handouts. It's a lifestyle
choice." More patent bull**** cannot be slung, and yet, so many seemingly
otherwise decent people entertain themselves(or assuage their dwindling
consciences) with this very notion.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

What a crock of ****, Littleton. *Get off your high horse and do
something besides talk liberal ****. *Get out there. *Meet and serve
those less fortunate than you. *Many of the men and women I meet two or
three times a week at the pantry *are* satisfied with their lives, or
at least do not complain about their lot in life. *Thanks to your
savior Obama, the unemployment rolls are getting higher, and more and
more people are using any services they can find. *These people are NOT
happy. *They are down right discouraged, and VERY ANGRY at the fools in
Washington. *But the street person who hasn't worked in gawdknowswhen,
you know the one that smells and hasn't bathed in awhile, seems
content. *He/she is good natured, quick to be your friend, and is more
than overjoyed for anything you can do for him/her. *Ya ever hugged
someone like that, Tom? *Ever shake their hand? *You probably couldn't
without wanting to wash their filth off of you. *You are the one that
is pathetic, Tom. *You hide behind your politics saying to yourself, "I
voted for The Man, The Big O. *He'll fix everything. *I don't have to
look at, serve, or touch these unwashed people. *Obama will do it for
me." *Horse puckies.

Get out and do it yourself, Tom. *Biden, your hero (who makes Dan
Quayle look like a genius) ...

Interesting you should bring him up. Regardless of the gotcha games
aimed at DQ, he was respected, by one and all, as a senator. His
primary accomplishment in Congress, the Job Training and Partnership
Act (JTPA) probably did more for unemployed and underemployed people
in this nation than any federal program since the GI Bill. It also
created many of the thousands of technically qualified workers at
exactly the time they were needed.

But........that doesn't fit with the late nite wisdom one sees on TV.

cheers

oz, watching the temp drop......

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 7, 7:55*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-06 12:33:02 -0500, MajorOz said:



On Jan 6, 7:14 am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 5, 10:01 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39 am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. Remember, you're talking to someo
ne
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out there
.

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years.
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

Yeah, a wanna-be sumtin or other.

Hey, ain't it grand to get that retirement check every month. *wink
wink *Free medical with TriCare for Life. *PX/commissary privs. *big
G

I retired when I was 38, so there was plenty of time for a civilian
career. *I retired from GTE (now Verizon) after 19 years with one of
those golden parachute buy-outs. *I was still young enough for yet
another career teaching cops (State Police in VT and MA) high
performance driving/pursuit training. *It was one of those jobs were
you say to yourself, "They are actually *paying* me $400/day plus
expenses to do this?" *Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Joanne and I are on the road, on our way to a new winter home in
Georgia. *We are in Roanoke, VA (697 miles *from Mass. in 10 hours) at
bro-in-law. *We'll finish the rest of the trip tomorrow. *Supposed to
snow!

Be well

Dave

You have / had more ambition than I have / had. I taught at uni. for
six years, went back for GI Bill (gotta suck up every dollar), and
then decided work was a four letter word, and prowled the world for
the next 15 years, with a rice-burner 4X4 in North America and a back
pack on three other continents. Just send the retirement check to
Chas. Schwab and watch it grow (with a bit of active management here
and there).

Settled here ten years ago, simply as a base for more travel, and
found music, more fishing, and the love of my life.

Life is good

cheers

oz

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 7, 9:31*pm, "Fred" wrote:
On *7-Jan-2010, David LaCourse wrote:

?" *Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Sounds good to me except for the golf.
You have my congratulations and wishes for best of luck.

I am on the brink of retirement myself right now.

Fred
I

Recommendation: In addition to doing more of what you like, LEARN NEW
STUFF -- LOTS OF NEW STUFF.

cheers

oz

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

"David LaCourse" wrote in message
news:2010010721250975249-dplacourse@aolcom...
Ya ever hugged
someone like that, Tom? Ever shake their hand? You probably couldn't
without wanting to wash their filth off of you. You are the one that is
pathetic, Tom.

this paragraph makes, as I pointed out is your want, such bizarre
assumptions that anyone who knows me, knows where I help out, would be
laughing until peeing themselves. Content yourself with your ignornance,
Dave, it must be comforting.


..

the rest of your statement is equally ignorant of reality.
Tom

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 2010-01-08 00:15:15 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 7, 9:31*pm, "Fred" wrote:
On *7-Jan-2010, David LaCourse wrote:

?" *Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Sounds good to me except for the golf.
You have my congratulations and wishes for best of luck.

I am on the brink of retirement myself right now.

Fred
I

Recommendation: In addition to doing more of what you like, LEARN NEW
STUFF -- LOTS OF NEW STUFF.

cheers

oz

d;o) If you watched me play golf, you'd know that is new. Bought a
kayak for the lake, so that will be a new experience. And I have
discovered antique shops. My lovely bride will always keep me busy. A
friend suggested art lessons, and the area has more than a few art
shops.

Dave

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 2010-01-08 00:13:16 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 7, 7:55*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-06 12:33:02 -0500, MajorOz said:



On Jan 6, 7:14 am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 5, 10:01 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39 am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. Remember, you're talking to someo
ne
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out the
re
.

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years.
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

Yeah, a wanna-be sumtin or other.

Hey, ain't it grand to get that retirement check every month. *wink
wink *Free medical with TriCare for Life. *PX/commissary privs. *
big
G

I retired when I was 38, so there was plenty of time for a civilian
career. *I retired from GTE (now Verizon) after 19 years with one of
those golden parachute buy-outs. *I was still young enough for yet
another career teaching cops (State Police in VT and MA) high
performance driving/pursuit training. *It was one of those jobs were
you say to yourself, "They are actually *paying* me $400/day plus
expenses to do this?" *Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Joanne and I are on the road, on our way to a new winter home in
Georgia. *We are in Roanoke, VA (697 miles *from Mass. in 10 hours) a
t
bro-in-law. *We'll finish the rest of the trip tomorrow. *Supposed to
snow!

Be well

Dave

You have / had more ambition than I have / had. I taught at uni. for
six years, went back for GI Bill (gotta suck up every dollar), and
then decided work was a four letter word, and prowled the world for
the next 15 years, with a rice-burner 4X4 in North America and a back
pack on three other continents. Just send the retirement check to
Chas. Schwab and watch it grow (with a bit of active management here
and there).

Settled here ten years ago, simply as a base for more travel, and
found music, more fishing, and the love of my life.

Life is good

cheers

oz

Sounds great. The GI Bill is one of the best programs for our vets. I
hope it doesn't suffer because of lack of funds.

Dave

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 8, 8:10*am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-08 00:13:16 -0500, MajorOz said:



On Jan 7, 7:55*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-06 12:33:02 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 6, 7:14 am, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 5, 10:01 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 -0500, Giles said:

On Jan 5, 4:39 am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. Remember, you're talking to someo
ne
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along with Frank Reid and every retired military person out the
re
.

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, aka Giles, has called me a welfare queen for several years..
He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

Frank Reid is also retired from the military. What is good for me must
also apply to my friend Frank.

Thank you.

It fits his general demeanor -- a wanna-be who never was.

cheers

oz, USAF (BSC), ret.

Yeah, a wanna-be sumtin or other.

Hey, ain't it grand to get that retirement check every month. *wink
wink *Free medical with TriCare for Life. *PX/commissary privs. *
big
G

I retired when I was 38, so there was plenty of time for a civilian
career. *I retired from GTE (now Verizon) after 19 years with one of
those golden parachute buy-outs. *I was still young enough for yet
another career teaching cops (State Police in VT and MA) high
performance driving/pursuit training. *It was one of those jobs were
you say to yourself, "They are actually *paying* me $400/day plus
expenses to do this?" *Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Joanne and I are on the road, on our way to a new winter home in
Georgia. *We are in Roanoke, VA (697 miles *from Mass. in 10 hours) a
t
bro-in-law. *We'll finish the rest of the trip tomorrow. *Supposed to
snow!

Be well

Dave

You have / had more ambition than I have / had. *I taught at uni. for
six years, went back for GI Bill (gotta suck up every dollar), and
then decided work was a four letter word, and prowled the world for
the next 15 years, with a rice-burner 4X4 in North America and a back
pack on three other continents. *Just send the retirement check to
Chas. Schwab and watch it grow (with a bit of active management here
and there).

Settled here ten years ago, simply as a base for more travel, and
found music, more fishing, and the love of my life.

Life is good

cheers

oz

Sounds great. *The GI Bill is one of the best programs for our vets. *I
hope it doesn't suffer because of lack of funds.

Dave

I think, though have no information on it, but based on periodic
increases, it may be tied, legislatively, to some form of average
tuition. It is, currently, in the $49K limit area.

cheers

oz

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 7, 9:06*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:25*pm, David LaCourse wrote:





On 2010-01-07 17:24:07 -0500, "Tom Littleton" said:

hell, Giles. My one exchange with David got you enough material for a string
of posts. I suppose, at the root of it, I should neither be surprised that
Dave will stretch the truth, or make suppositions, to make some supposed
political point. It's probably my mistake to bother pointing them out..
Still, little in these sorts of exchanges irks me more than the old chestnut
of, "The Poor like being poor and getting handouts. It's a lifestyle
choice." More patent bull**** cannot be slung, and yet, so many seemingly
otherwise decent people entertain themselves(or assuage their dwindling
consciences) with this very notion.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

What a crock of ****, Littleton. *Get off your high horse and do
something besides talk liberal ****. *Get out there. *Meet and serve
those less fortunate than you. *Many of the men and women I meet two or
three times a week at the pantry *are* satisfied with their lives, or
at least do not complain about their lot in life. *Thanks to your
savior Obama, the unemployment rolls are getting higher, and more and
more people are using any services they can find. *These people are NOT
happy. *They are down right discouraged, and VERY ANGRY at the fools in
Washington. *But the street person who hasn't worked in gawdknowswhen,
you know the one that smells and hasn't bathed in awhile, seems
content. *He/she is good natured, quick to be your friend, and is more
than overjoyed for anything you can do for him/her. *Ya ever hugged
someone like that, Tom? *Ever shake their hand? *You probably couldn't
without wanting to wash their filth off of you. *You are the one that
is pathetic, Tom. *You hide behind your politics saying to yourself, "I
voted for The Man, The Big O. *He'll fix everything. *I don't have to
look at, serve, or touch these unwashed people. *Obama will do it for
me." *Horse puckies.

Get out and do it yourself, Tom. *Biden, your hero (who makes Dan
Quayle look like a genius) ...

Interesting you should bring him up. *Regardless of the gotcha games
aimed at DQ, he was respected, by one and all, as a senator. *His
primary accomplishment in Congress, the Job Training and Partnership
Act (JTPA) probably did more for unemployed and underemployed people
in this nation than any federal program since the GI Bill. *It also
created many of the thousands of technically qualified workers at
exactly the time they were needed.

But........that doesn't fit with the late nite wisdom one sees on TV.

cheers

oz, watching the temp drop......- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found interesting your comments about DQ and JTPA. Yes, DQ did have
allot to do with employment and training legislation and policy. I
never particularly liked him but he does deserve credit for that.
Thats the Republican party before the whackjobs knawed thru their
straight jackets and pushed radical ideology over stewardship of
resources and good governance..

Not that many years ago Republicans could pair with Democrats to
produce programs with both high cost effectiveness and opportunity for
occupational upward mobility. Republican leadership understood then
what investment in skill training did to make real the promise of free
labor markets for working people. IMHO, Capitalism seems to work
better in a democracy when more and more working people have a real
stake in future economic success.

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

"DaveS" wrote in message
...
Not that many years ago Republicans could pair with Democrats to
produce programs with both high cost effectiveness and opportunity for
occupational upward mobility. Republican leadership understood then
what investment in skill training did to make real the promise of free
labor markets for working people. IMHO, Capitalism seems to work
better in a democracy when more and more working people have a real
stake in future economic success.



well put, Dave. Well put.
Tom

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 8, 2:59*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"DaveS" wrote in message

...
Not that many years ago Republicans could pair with Democrats to
produce programs with both high cost effectiveness and opportunity for
occupational upward mobility. Republican leadership understood then
what investment in skill training did to make real the promise of free
labor markets for working people. IMHO, Capitalism seems to work
better in a democracy when more and more working people have a real
stake in future economic success.

well put, Dave. Well put.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

Well thank you Tom
Dave

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

n Jan 7, 9:31*pm, "Fred" wrote:
On *7-Jan-2010, David LaCourse wrote:

?" *Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Sounds good to me except for the golf.
You have my congratulations and wishes for best of luck.

I am on the brink of retirement myself right now.

Fred
I

Recommendation: In addition to doing more of what you like, LEARN NEW
STUFF -- LOTS OF NEW STUFF.

cheers

oz



Thanks
Finding something new to learn is easy - I don't have to search too far.
Old time fiddle and celtic music will keep me going for years learning new
stuff

but

What really ****es me of , even more so than the political stuff in a
fishing forum, is that
My old soggy brain does not take things in as easily as it used to - nor
does my body .

I went to a fiddle camp last summer and there were 12 yr old kids picking up
new stuff easily after a few hours
Me I had to go home and practice for 3-4 mos

Luckily I can read water and cast fairly well
and
Playing w the grandkids is definitely a good thing to do

Fred

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 9, 1:09*am, "Fred" wrote:
n Jan 7, 9:31 pm, "Fred" wrote:
On 7-Jan-2010, David LaCourse wrote:

?" Anyway, I retired from doing that while in my
60s and do nothing now, at age 72, except collect three different
pensions, play with the grand kids, fish and play golf.

Sounds good to me except for the golf.
You have my congratulations and wishes for best of luck.

I am on the brink of retirement myself right now.

Fred
I

Recommendation: In addition to doing more of what you like, LEARN NEW
STUFF -- LOTS OF NEW STUFF.

cheers

oz

Thanks
Finding something new to learn is easy - I don't have to search too far.
Old time fiddle and celtic music will keep me going for years learning new
stuff

but

What really ****es me of , even more so than the political stuff in a
fishing forum, is that
My old soggy brain does not take things in as easily as it used to - nor
does my body .

I went to a fiddle camp last summer and there were 12 yr old kids picking up
new stuff easily after a few hours
Me I had to go home and practice for 3-4 mos

Luckily I can read water and cast fairly well
and
Playing *w the grandkids is definitely a good thing to do

Fred

Let me tell you where you can do both VEEEEEERY enjoyably.

Mountain View Arkansas

From 17 April till 31 Oct, and every other day it ain't too cold to
move fingers, MV is the music jammin' center of the galaxy. On, and
near, the square, 24/7 are dozens -- sometimes hundreds -- of groups
pickin' and grinnin'.
Starts out as Bluegrass and Mountain Music, but groups wander off into
almost everything: classic country, gospel, blues, etc, with
amalgamation of types the norm, rather than the exception. Pickin'
circles consist of all levels of skill. Often there will be someone
who picked up a guitar last week sitting next to a headliner at the
Opry for the last 20 years. They each politely take their turn.
Nobody will tell you how to play, but everybody will help, if asked.
Acoustic instruments only -- amplifier and microphone users are
bundled up, run out of town, and dropped off a cliff. [ when the
Cajuns show up with squeeze boxes and washboard aprons, it is a
special treat ]
The place is loaded with motels, RV parks ($16 for everything,
including cable TV), B&B's, etc. (google it up)
Nearby are the tailwater fisheries of Norfork Lake and Bull Shoals
Lake, plus many limestone smallmouth and trout streams in the area.
HUUUGE browns, and the biggest brookies I have caught since Leech Lake
in Washington.
It is the lowest cost of living in the nation (with the exception,
perhaps, of the MS delta), with some of the best eating.
I spend much of my "retirement" there.
Give it a try.

cheers

oz, who will be found with a dobro in town and wading wet in jeans
with ratty home-built graphite rods on the rivers

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

"MajorOz" wrote in message
...
cheers

oz, who will be found with a dobro in town and wading wet in jeans
with ratty home-built graphite rods on the rivers

sounds just wonderful, Major!
Tom

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 9-Jan-2010, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Major!
Tom

Wasn't that a David Bowie song
It is a nice song but I do nor recall the exact title

Fred

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappy shoes
 

On 9-Jan-2010, MajorOz wrote:

Recommendation: In addition to doing more of what you like, LEARN NEW
STUFF -- LOTS OF NEW STUFF.

cheers

oz

Thanks
Finding something new to learn is easy - I don't have to search too far.
Old time fiddle and Celtic music will keep me going for years learning
new
stuff

but

What really ****es me of , even more so than the political stuff in a
fishing forum, is that
My old soggy brain does not take things in as easily as it used to - nor
does my body .

I went to a fiddle camp last summer and there were 12 yr old kids
picking up
new stuff easily after a few hours
Me I had to go home and practice for 3-4 mos

Luckily I can read water and cast fairly well
and
Playing *w the grandkids is definitely a good thing to do

Fred

Let me tell you where you can do both VEEEEEERY enjoyably.

Mountain View Arkansas

From 17 April till 31 Oct, and every other day it ain't too cold to
move fingers, MV is the music jammin' center of the galaxy. On, and
near, the square, 24/7 are dozens -- sometimes hundreds -- of groups
pickin' and grinnin'.
Starts out as Bluegrass and Mountain Music, but groups wander off into
almost everything: classic country, gospel, blues, etc, with
amalgamation of types the norm, rather than the exception. Pickin'
circles consist of all levels of skill. Often there will be someone
who picked up a guitar last week sitting next to a headliner at the
Opry for the last 20 years. They each politely take their turn.
Nobody will tell you how to play, but everybody will help, if asked.
Acoustic instruments only -- amplifier and microphone users are
bundled up, run out of town, and dropped off a cliff. [ when the
Cajuns show up with squeeze boxes and washboard aprons, it is a
special treat ]
The place is loaded with motels, RV parks ($16 for everything,
including cable TV), B&B's, etc. (google it up)
Nearby are the tailwater fisheries of Norfork Lake and Bull Shoals
Lake, plus many limestone smallmouth and trout streams in the area.
HUUUGE browns, and the biggest brookies I have caught since Leech Lake
in Washington.
It is the lowest cost of living in the nation (with the exception,
perhaps, of the MS delta), with some of the best eating.
I spend much of my "retirement" there.
Give it a try.

cheers

oz, who will be found with a dobro in town and wading wet in jeans
with ratty home-built graphite rods on the rivers

Sounds great If its warm I am leaving tomorrow


nobody will tell you how to play, but everybody will help, if asked"

That is the way it usually goes at good events
Show people how to play something, note progressions or fingerings or
helping them cast a fly rod better.
Why not?


Acoustic instruments only -- amplifier and microphone users are
bundled up, run out of town, and dropped off a cliff.

er ... ah... but on second thought ... I only play acoustic at low levels??
and only on the third Tues of ea month?

Cajuns show up with squeeze boxes"
Accordions -I love Cajun squeeze box - Newfoundland and Celtic tunes on
them can bring me to tears.


HUUUGE browns, and the biggest brookies - I am leaving for there tonight
It has to be warmer than here?


oz, who will be found with a dobro in town.

Sounds great to me
I have passed on this info to my boss..SWMBO
Perhaps a ROFFian duet or clave?
Room for other participants and players.

Thanks for the info

Fred

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

Arkansas clave? Hundreds of miles of tailwaters with monster browns
and some of the best smallie water in the world. Yeah, I could do
that.
Frank Reid

"No surprise that life's road can feel different . . . in crappyshoes
 

On Jan 6, 8:06*pm, Giles wrote:
On Jan 6, 7:14*am, David LaCourse wrote:





On 2010-01-05 23:53:06 -0500, MajorOz said:

On Jan 5, 10:01*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-01-05 21:34:54 said:

On Jan 5, 4:39*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message

news:2010010422410250878-dplacourse@aolcom...

hmmm.....we have a 5 year limit on welfare, since the '90s
and they're 3rd generation??

Depends on what kind of welfare. *Remember, you're talking to someone
with a lifetime of first hand experience.

Yes, along withFrank Reidand every retired military person out there..

Could you expand, somewhat, on your intended meaning, please?

Wolfgang, akaGiles, has called me a welfare queen for several years.

Nogt quite that long, I think. *Maybe.

He refers to my military retirement as welfare.

Nah, I refer to your life as a life on welfare. *I've known many a
career military veteran who earned a pension. You, on the other hand,
are a pig.....and a liar.....and an idiot.....and a welfare queen with
a very bad perm.

And, yes, he is bitter about it.

The one thing I've never been able to hide from the keenest wits in
all of ROFFdom.

Frank Reidis also retired from the military.

Well, that's true enough, according to what I've heard.

What is good for me must also apply to my friend Frank.

You would doubtless benefit from a two by four upside the head.....or,
at least it wouldn't do you any harm. * Frank, on the other hand, has
already been there and, if we are to believe him (I do) it hasn't done
him all that much good in the long run.

By the way, yes, I think Frank is your friend. *But you are not his.

Dave

pig

idiot

liar

g.
hey Frank! *aren't you glad you got invited into this by the one
person in roff who vilifies, excoriates, defames, impunes and just
generally spits on military veterans (of which, if memory still
serves, I am one myself) more than all the rest combined? * * * *:)- Hide quoted text -

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No one determines my friendships but me. Friendships extend from
shared experiences and trust. I have been able to be friends with
multiple people who are diamentrically opposed as you two both know
and are examples.
I write humor because I've seen so much pain, more than some, less
than others. Its a coping mechinism. Senseless pain reminds me of
past wrongs I've seen and been in the middle of. That's why I avoid
the flame wars.
I am proud of my time in the military. It gave me discipline,
experience and an education, but it does not define me. One thing I
learned with 16 moves in 23 years was that no one knows about or cares
what you did at your last base. Its what you can and are doing now.
That goes for jobs and relationships.
Frank Reid