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"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
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In article , B J Conner
wrote:

Well that wasn't good, amusing or intellectual - now wonder people
report
you to your ISP
Another drunk irishman with a rhyming dictionary, boring at best.

This is the umpteenth piece of abuse from a roffian aimed at someone's
nationality. Sadly, I think, all of it has come from Americans, aimed
at other nationalities.


Here in the U.S. you can tell a lot about the social standing of various
ethnic, national, economic, religious and other groups by common reactions
to stereotypes and, more particularly, humor based on stereotypes
concerning
the members of such groups. Swedes and Norwegians (remember Ole and
Lena?)
are the butt of a lot of jokes in Minnesota.....Finns in Michigan's upper
peninsula.....etc. The Irish were an especially large immigrant group who
dispersed more widely in the U.S. than most others. Interestingly, the
odds
are typically very good that persons telling such jokes include the butts
among their ancestors. There are exceptions of course. When the common
reaction to such humor among the population as a whole is disapproving
it's
a safe bet that the group in question has not yet "arrived" at social
equality. Disparaging jokes about groups lumped together as "Arabic" are
common these days. Regardless of the body of evidence suggesting that
such
are met with near universal approval, this is simply not so. Most of us
are
a lot more tolerant and thoughtful than the vocal minority make apparent.

Every year at about this time, tens of millions of people in America.....a
great many more than immigration records would support.....suddenly
rediscover (if only for a few days) their Irish roots. The Irish suffered
horrible discrimination due to prejudice here during the years of their
great diaspora. Today, nobody much gives a ****. Meanwhile, most of
those
millions find St. Patrick's Day celebrations sufficient reason to go out
and
get drunk. Whatever.

Anyway......Conner......hm......what the hell kinda name is that, anyway?

Wolfgang
pretzel bender to the stars.



"I don't care who calls who a sonofabitch, but I won't stand for anyone
calling someone an English sonofabitch or an American sonofabitch."
(Ike)

Lazarus

--
Remover the rock from the email address

It would be nother irish or soctch -irush, It doesn't matter unless your
overly senstiive.

An Irishman walking along the shore notices an old lamp lying among the
rocks. He picks it up, rubs the dirt off of it and a genie comes out of the
lamp. The genie tells the Irishman he
will grant him three wishes. The Irishman says "Well first off, I'd like a
bottle of Guiness that never goes dry". "Done" says the genie, and the
Irishman is holding a bottle of Guiness.
The Irishman promptly drinks it down and watches in delight as it magically
fills back up. Again he drinks it down and watches it fill up. A third time
he drinks it down, and by now the
genie is becoming impatient. "So what do you want for your other two
wishes"? askes the irritated genie. "Oh", replies the Irishman, "Just give
me another two bottles like this one".







IT must m

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She, surprised, responded that she had finished that in
her freshman year.

High School?

It's been a lot of years since I read that anecdote. I can't be
certain,
but I don't think that question was answered. At any rate, I'd venture
to
guess that Mr. Einstein was more surprised and impressed by being in the
presence of such a prodigy than either Myron or Ken would be.

Possibly so, however I had heard it that Mr. Einstein stated that he
studied
Physics. In any case, a quick google search didn't verify it.

In the version I read it was most definitely algebra. That is specifically
why I remembered it and, I think, an important consideration in the point of
the anecdote......the co-ed, the reader is left to suppose, was vapid, and
Einstein was being wry. This works well with something as mundane and
accessible to EVERYONE as algebra, but is a bit more abstruse when something
as formidable (in the public eye) as physics is substituted. Not to put too
fine a point on it, but I think your reaction and Ken's bear this out. Also
present (perhaps....and however subtle) is the suggestion that the great man
himself saw algebra as something worthy of a lifetime of study even by one
so presumably well versed in the subject as he himself must surely have
been.....a position probably shared by many professional mathemeticians if
not, necessarily, by math teachers and free lance writers. Moreover, many
thousands of high school and college freshmen (as well as your humble
narrator) consider algebra to be as worthy and formidable as anything they
wish to encounter, not excluding composition, physical education, civics,
philosophy or logic.

Meanwhile, in my 13 year career as a math teacher, I have only encountered
two students astute enough to have completed Advanced Algebra in or before
their freshman year (in high school),

The Einstein story, as I read it, made no mention of what level of algebra
either of the principals was working on. The reader is left to surmise that
they weren't quite talking about the same critter......or that's the
impression I came away with, anyway.

and neither of them was particularly impressive.

It has been my experience that teachers of mathematics more than any other
subject tend to be confounded by the notion that students have not mastered
the course material by the time they show up for the first session.

A bit arrogant and pretentious was more like it.

There's a lot of that going around, I hear.

Wolfgang
so, snake, how's about them lit courses?

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Everyone missed the obvious. 0%. If you have three socks, you don't
have
a
pair.

Uh, uh. I've got a male Hershey bar. Give me four dollars, a red sock,
a
ticket to Portland, a female Hershey bar, a green sock, another male
Hershey
bar, two more green socks, all the amputated letters in the state of
Florida, a battle cry, a digital camera, and I've STILL got a male
Hershey
bar. Go further, and give me all the male Hershey bars in the world,
and......SURPRISE!.....I've STILL got a male Hershey bar.


Yeah, but theres that old 'inclusive, exclusive' defintion going on. Or
are
you proposing that two pairs of threes doesn't beat three of a kind, since
its only two pairs....

--riverman
(could be a bluff, though)

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"riverman" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Everyone missed the obvious. 0%. If you have three socks, you don't
have
a
pair.

Uh, uh. I've got a male Hershey bar. Give me four dollars, a red sock,
a
ticket to Portland, a female Hershey bar, a green sock, another male
Hershey
bar, two more green socks, all the amputated letters in the state of
Florida, a battle cry, a digital camera, and I've STILL got a male
Hershey
bar. Go further, and give me all the male Hershey bars in the world,
and......SURPRISE!.....I've STILL got a male Hershey bar.


Yeah, but theres that old 'inclusive, exclusive' defintion going on. Or
are
you proposing that two pairs of threes doesn't beat three of a kind, since
its only two pairs....

--riverman
(could be a bluff, though)

Call. I got a pair of socks......and a sock. You?

Wolfgang

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Nowadays how can you tell? How many people do you know with "Scot" as a
first
name taht are not Scotish?
Lou T

Given names? Most likely all of them.

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Lat705" wrote in message
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She, surprised, responded that she had finished that in
her freshman year.

High School?

It's been a lot of years since I read that anecdote. I can't be
certain,
but I don't think that question was answered. At any rate, I'd
venture
to
guess that Mr. Einstein was more surprised and impressed by being in
the
presence of such a prodigy than either Myron or Ken would be.

Possibly so, however I had heard it that Mr. Einstein stated that he
studied
Physics. In any case, a quick google search didn't verify it.

In the version I read it was most definitely algebra. That is
specifically
why I remembered it and, I think, an important consideration in the point
of
the anecdote......the co-ed, the reader is left to suppose, was vapid, and
Einstein was being wry. This works well with something as mundane and
accessible to EVERYONE as algebra, but is a bit more abstruse when
something
as formidable (in the public eye) as physics is substituted. Not to put
too
fine a point on it, but I think your reaction and Ken's bear this out.
Also
present (perhaps....and however subtle) is the suggestion that the great
man
himself saw algebra as something worthy of a lifetime of study even by one
so presumably well versed in the subject as he himself must surely have
been.....a position probably shared by many professional mathemeticians if
not, necessarily, by math teachers and free lance writers. Moreover, many
thousands of high school and college freshmen (as well as your humble
narrator) consider algebra to be as worthy and formidable as anything they
wish to encounter, not excluding composition, physical education, civics,
philosophy or logic.

Meanwhile, in my 13 year career as a math teacher, I have only
encountered
two students astute enough to have completed Advanced Algebra in or
before
their freshman year (in high school),

The Einstein story, as I read it, made no mention of what level of algebra
either of the principals was working on. The reader is left to surmise
that
they weren't quite talking about the same critter......or that's the
impression I came away with, anyway.

and neither of them was particularly impressive.

It has been my experience that teachers of mathematics more than any other
subject tend to be confounded by the notion that students have not
mastered
the course material by the time they show up for the first session.

A bit arrogant and pretentious was more like it.

There's a lot of that going around, I hear.

Wolfgang
so, snake, how's about them lit courses?



i'm kickin their ass! "A"s on all my papers -
special bibliography projects included ;-)

Snake- thanks for askin

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i'm kickin their ass! "A"s on all my papers -
special bibliography projects included ;-)

In the 70's and early 80's, if you were in a school that graded on the curve
and you walked into a class that was full of asians, many folks would bail.
The asians were kicking everyones butt (damn, doncha hate those folks with a
work ethic?). Now a days, same curve but you have to watch out for those
adults returning to school. They're not there to party, 'cause they know
that their future depends on what they can learn.
--
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Wolfgang wrote:


Call. I got a pair of socks......and a sock. You?


hmmm... knew i shoulda kept those socks.

jeff

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Wolfgang:
Don't look now, Sparky,

Sparky? Barney Google's horse or perhaps some radio operator from your Coast
Guard days?

Pretty much the only comic strips or books I ever gave much consideration
to originated behind the green door in a place called "The Shack." That'd
allow you one from each of six columns if you bring a Dragon Lady to dinner.


you haven't got a clue

Mr. Green, in the library, with the lead pipe.

Were you, perhaps, looking for Mr. Goodbar?

Nope, I prefer almonds.

OK, since repetition can be instructive.......I'm going to assume that you
had a point. Would you like to share it with the rest of us?

No! This is a thread at least touching on things mathematical. Go figure!


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"slenon" wrote in message
m...

...This is a thread at least touching on things mathematical...

From the moment you stepped in through that door, I just KNEW we were going
to have fun together! :)

Wolfgang
whew!

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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so, snake, how's about them lit courses?

i'm kickin their ass! "A"s on all my papers -
special bibliography projects included ;-)

Most excellent!

In the beginning was the word........that's important.......never forget it.

Snake- thanks for askin

De nada.

Wolfgang
class dismissed. :)

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Would have been interesting to hear Eistein's answer to the sockk probability
since he did not wear socks.

Lou T

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:


Call. I got a pair of socks......and a sock. You?


hmmm... knew i shoulda kept those socks.

Never, EVER, discard a pair.

Wolfgang
sheesh!

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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SNIP
At any rate, I suspect Mr. Cooke would be a great deal more interested
in
your forbearance than I have any reason (beyond my somewhat suspicious
name
[assuming that really IS my name], that is) to be. Wot? :)


Does one add the brackets first, and then multiply? Algebraically speaking
of course.

Well, the truth is that I've been looking at that hideous amalgamation of
scavenged parts for some time now and all I can think of is that, for the
first time in my life, I really believe I have a good idea of what Victor
Frankenstein felt like. :(

Just to flesh it out, as it were?

See?! See what I mean?! :(

Wolfgang
who probably won't get any sleep at all tonight. :(

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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so, snake, how's about them lit courses?

i'm kickin their ass! "A"s on all my papers -
special bibliography projects included ;-)

Most excellent!

In the beginning was the word........that's important.......never forget
it.

Snake- thanks for askin

De nada.

Wolfgang
class dismissed. :)

why, thank you for the kind words, mr. wolfgang ;)

snakefiddler- givin it my best...

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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
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i'm kickin their ass! "A"s on all my papers -
special bibliography projects included ;-)

In the 70's and early 80's, if you were in a school that graded on the
curve
and you walked into a class that was full of asians, many folks would
bail.
The asians were kicking everyones butt (damn, doncha hate those folks with
a
work ethic?). Now a days, same curve but you have to watch out for those
adults returning to school. They're not there to party, 'cause they know
that their future depends on what they can learn.
--
Frank Reid
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Yep, party days are over-I have raised two children, and left my 18 year
career, and taken out a ****load of student loans, so I can't mess up! Most
of these young kids don't have that to motivate them, but then, it isn't
their fault they are young.......

Thanks Frank ;-)
Snake

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From the moment you stepped in through that door, I just KNEW we were going
to have fun together! :)
Wolfgang

Now all we have to do is arrange a meeting time and place without anyone
else finding out. Your state or mine?

You bring the comestibles, I'll bring the antidotes, bandaids, and surgical
implements. I would expect you have such tools as well but I prefer to work
with my own.
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69

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riverman wrote:
"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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after sweating blood in my algebra class all semester- i don't even want

to

LOOK AT THAT ****!!!



Sweating blood....in ALGEBRA???

Algebra can been made as difficult as you like, or dare.

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Lazarus Cooke wrote:

In article , B J Conner
wrote:


Well that wasn't good, amusing or intellectual - now wonder people report
you to your ISP
Another drunk irishman with a rhyming dictionary, boring at best.


This is the umpteenth piece of abuse from a roffian aimed at someone's
nationality. Sadly, I think, all of it has come from Americans, aimed
at other nationalities.

Well, the umpteenth-plus-one is aimed at Americans, so let's call it
even. :-)

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Lazarus Cooke wrote:

... This is the umpteenth piece of abuse from a roffian aimed at
someone's
nationality. Sadly, I think, all of it has come from Americans, aimed
at other nationalities.


In the last two incidents BJ and rw are the miscreants.

Was that the time I called myself a Yankee? Does that make me a
miscreant? YES!!!! HIGH FIVE!!!! Or was it the time I called Lazarus a
pommie twit? The second was a joke, but the first was serious and
accurate. Yankees are practical above all else, and that applies to
retrieving a fly stuck in an unreachable snag. Benjamin Franklin must
have written about this, but I can't find the apropos quote.

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snakefiddler wrote:

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Wolfgang
class dismissed. :)


why, thank you for the kind words, mr. wolfgang ;)

snakefiddler- givin it my best...

You two should get a room.

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"rw" wrote in message
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You two should get a room.

Men who like women and vice versa really creep you out, huh?

Wolfgang
don't let it worry you, snake......he's even more pitiable in person than he
is here. :)

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"rw" wrote in message
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You two should get a room.

Men who like women and vice versa really creep you out, huh?

Wolfgang
don't let it worry you, snake......he's even more pitiable in person than
he
is here. :)

At the risk of attracting further ridicule for the dislplay of courtesy, I
thank you once agan, Wolfgang.

Ya know, I would be interested in what some of ya'll really are like in
person- (pitiable or not)- strictly from an anthropological point of view,
of course (hee-hee) ;)

Snakefiddler- as for me, what you see is what you get!

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Wolfgang wrote:
I have actually checked my birth record, and it
looks exactly the same today as it did the day someone inscribed it (albeit
it in an abominably difficult script) on that document.

When I was moving my Mom and packing up and sorting through her things,
I came across a number of old documents. I was struck by the beauty of
the penmanship. It was an art form for some of the writers.

Willi

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"Willi" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
I have actually checked my birth record, and it
looks exactly the same today as it did the day someone inscribed
it (albeit
it in an abominably difficult script) on that document.

When I was moving my Mom and packing up and sorting through her
things,
I came across a number of old documents. I was struck by the beauty
of
the penmanship. It was an art form for some of the writers.

The history of writing.....the mechanical aspects, as opposed to
content, that is.....is a fascinating study in its own right. The
Germans of a generation or two back were still very much Gothic in
their tastes. It shows up not only in cursive writing, but also in
print. Even back in the day when I felt I had a reasonable mastery of
the language, I found some of the books we had around....books
published as late as the 30s and 40s....almost completely illegible,
largely due to the minim problem.

Wolfgang

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Willi wrote:

When I was moving my Mom and packing up and sorting through her things,
I came across a number of old documents. I was struck by the beauty of
the penmanship. It was an art form for some of the writers.

My mother wrote with a beautiful hand. She credited it to the Palmer
Method of penmanship, which was drilled into her by sadistic nuns.

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"rw" wrote

My mother wrote with a beautiful hand. She credited it to the Palmer
Method of penmanship, which was drilled into her by sadistic nuns.

so, you knew the nuns, did you, steve?

wayno

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Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote


My mother wrote with a beautiful hand. She credited it to the Palmer
Method of penmanship, which was drilled into her by sadistic nuns.


so, you knew the nuns, did you, steve?

Nope. I was raised a Missouri Synod Lutheran -- private school, altar
boy, Luther League, the whole ball of wax. That's a different kind of
hell altogether.

My mother was dead-set against the Catholic Church, mostly because of
those sadistic nuns, but she kept her rosary until the day she died.

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rw:
Nope. I was raised a Missouri Synod Lutheran

Can you explain how this particular Lutheran group differs from any other?
I've heard of the affiliation all my life buy have no real concept of what
distinguishes the MO Synod from any other Synod.

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slenon wrote in message ...
rw:
Nope. I was raised a Missouri Synod Lutheran

Can you explain how this particular Lutheran group differs from any other?
I've heard of the affiliation all my life buy have no real concept of what
distinguishes the MO Synod from any other Synod.

they all have to be shown.

yfitons
wayno

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snakefiddler notes:
Ya know, I would be interested in what some of ya'll really are like in
person- (pitiable or not)- strictly from an anthropological point of view,
of course (hee-hee) ;)

Penn's Clave, May....not only fly fishing instruction, but some ugly-ass
anthopological points-of-view!! Several folks down your way know the
directions, although they seem so unsure of themselves they always seem to
leave for Coburn a day or two earlyg.
Tom

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slenon wrote:
rw:

Nope. I was raised a Missouri Synod Lutheran


Can you explain how this particular Lutheran group differs from any other?
I've heard of the affiliation all my life buy have no real concept of what
distinguishes the MO Synod from any other Synod.

I haven't really kept track of theological disputes within the Lutheran
community over the past forty years, so I don't know where things stand
right now.

When I was a kid, growing up Missouri Synod (also known as German
Lutheran), the other Lutheran sects were considered to be apostates,
more despicable than even the Papists, because they betrayed the
teachings of Martin Luther. The Missouri Synod doctrine was the True
Faith. The history of the world revolved around Luther's Diet of Worms,
which sounded icky to me. :-)

Catholics, with their bleeding crucifictions, their Madonna, their
saints, their scary nuns, and their multitudinous sacraments, were
strangely exotic, like forbidden fruit. We didn't know about pedophile
priests, or even suspect. The other Protestant sects were graded on a
curve, from Baptists (bad) to Presbyterians (good). Jews were completely
under the radar until I went to public high school (City College).

One thing I got from my religious education that was extremely valuable
was an intimate (though growing rusty) familiarity with scripture. I had
to memorize a passage every school day for years, and we were tested. As
an atheist today, I sometimes find myself in philosophical discussions
with believers. It comes in handy.

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She credited it to the Palmer
Method of penmanship, which was drilled into her by sadistic nuns.

I had Sister Atilla the Nun for penmanship and it did me no good.

Lou T

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
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snakefiddler notes:
Ya know, I would be interested in what some of ya'll really are like in
person- (pitiable or not)- strictly from an anthropological point of
view,
of course (hee-hee) ;)

Penn's Clave, May....not only fly fishing instruction, but some ugly-ass
anthopological points-of-view!! Several folks down your way know the
directions, although they seem so unsure of themselves they always seem to
leave for Coburn a day or two earlyg.

I'll second that. A ROFF clave is about as good a lesson in small group
dynamics and non-communicable pathology as any I've ever seen.

Wolfgang
um......well, o.k......SEMI-non-communicable.

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
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slenon wrote in message ...

Can you explain how this particular Lutheran group differs from any
other?
I've heard of the affiliation all my life buy have no real concept of
what
distinguishes the MO Synod from any other Synod.

they all have to be shown.

Well, yeah, that and both the LARRY and CURLY synods tend to be somewhat
less endowed in the charismatic leadership department.

Wolfgang
nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.

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Lat705 wrote:
She credited it to the Palmer

Method of penmanship, which was drilled into her by sadistic nuns.


I had Sister Atilla the Nun for penmanship and it did me no good.

Lou T

I had Sister Assailant. And it did me no good as well.

Tim L

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
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snakefiddler notes:
Ya know, I would be interested in what some of ya'll really are like in
person- (pitiable or not)- strictly from an anthropological point of
view,
of course (hee-hee) ;)

Penn's Clave, May....not only fly fishing instruction, but some ugly-ass
anthopological points-of-view!! Several folks down your way know the
directions, although they seem so unsure of themselves they always seem
to
leave for Coburn a day or two earlyg.

I'll second that. A ROFF clave is about as good a lesson in small group
dynamics and non-communicable pathology as any I've ever seen.

Wolfgang
um......well, o.k......SEMI-non-communicable.

so, does this type of semi-non-communicable gathering require the practice
of *safe claving* ;-)

Snakefiddler- just askin

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snakefiddler asks:
so, does this type of semi-non-communicable gathering require the practice
of *safe claving* ;-)

safe claving, depending on how you look at it, could be an oxymoron.....
ask Waltg
Tom

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In article ,
says...

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
distinguishes the MO Synod from any other Synod.

they all have to be shown.

Well, yeah, that and both the LARRY and CURLY synods tend to be somewhat
less endowed in the charismatic leadership department.

Wolfgang
nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.

Oh my god!!! He *DOES* have a sense of humor.

It must be the end of the world, I actually chuckled at a Wolfgang
post. :-)
- Ken

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
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snakefiddler asks:
so, does this type of semi-non-communicable gathering require the
practice
of *safe claving* ;-)

safe claving, depending on how you look at it, could be an oxymoron.....
ask Waltg
Tom

what's the story walt?

snake