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"Kiyu" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:31:32 +0100, "Mike SNIPPED.

Kiyu Wrote
Following the origins, myths &
music from the hills of Virginia, North Carolina & Georgia is perhaps
one of the most delightful journeys into the settlement of America one
could have.

Kiyu


couldn't agree with you more- thus *my* pursuance of an education in
Appalachian Studies ;-)

Snakefiddler

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"George Adams" wrote in message
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From: "snakefiddler"

And don't forget the Carter Family.....

Or Gid Tanner and the Skillet Lickers.

I can't remember the name of the guy that recorded "The Prisoner's Song",
("If
I had the wings of an angel"), but I understand that was the first
"crossover"
country/pop hit.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only
dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller


ah, yes, nearly iconic in my opinion, however, the distinction should be
made that gid and his boys are (most excellently) old time music
musicians....

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
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BJ Conner wrote

IF you know so much who recorded the first million selling record and
what was it?
ooh, ooh, can i play?

vern dalhart's rendition of "the wreck of the old '97.

Did your ever see the "Story of Engiish" the Bill Moyers series. He
trace the langeuage from the UK to the US via the scotch-irish
migration.

pity that he didn't seek you out, bj; no doubt you would have enjoyed
more than just 15 minutes of fame.


wayno
But he did. Watch the reruns.

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"a-happy-up-yours" wrote in
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snakefiddler wrote:


..........snipped some stuff...........



All good stuff- and a good start as well, but let me edeecate ya'll on
the
folks that really defined country music. It all started back in the
1920s
with the minstrel shows, which led to the popularity of the hillbilly
string
bands.
Probably ya'll have all heard Jimmie Rodgers, Roy Acuff, Tom Ashley, and
Uncle Dave Macon- all very important in the history of early country
music.
However, the first folks to actually record and popularize country music
were "Fiddlin" John Carson, with his recording of Cluck Old Hen, in
1923,
and Eck Robertson with his recording of Sallie Gooden, in 1922. These
were
the first country music recordings, and Fiddlin John Carson has been
attributed with revolutionizing the role of Old Time fiddling.
We can thank Ralph Peer and Tennessee for givin us these folks
recordings.

And don't forget the Carter Family.....

Also, I agree that today's "country" SUCKS

Snakefiddler- to steal a line from Wolfgang-
class dismissed ;-)




~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"I'm goin' to th' wagon, Ma, these shoes are KILLIN' ME"
"Doctor" Lew Childre

WUNC-TV (Chapel Hill, NC) produced a show in the 1980's "Free Show
Tonight",
wherein they sought and were surprisingly successful in locating some of
the
surviving performers from the "Medicine Show" era. I think it's still
available
on VHS tape.

The show was a bit of an attempt to record a vanishing part of the history
of
that time. I think that they succeded.

BTW, why is it that nobody mentions Riley Puckett when recalling old
timers?
Nobody recalls him, I suppose.

Tom


Well, you could say we sort of mentioned ol riley in a round about sort of
way, as he was once the guitarist for the skillet lickers- also did some
duets with hugh ballard cross

Snakefiddler

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He's trying to enforce the lawlessness here.

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See http://www.particlesalad.com for more info.


"Sierra fisher" wrote in message
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If there are no rules, why are trying to be the Enforcer?

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"Kiyu" wrote in message
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Heard a radio interview with Haggard once and he said he & his co
writer didn't know squat about Muscogee when they they wrote the song
and had never been there. They saw the name & the sound of it just fit
in with the song so they used it.

Perhaps my favorite song of all time. It has always struck me as
heartwarming that as late as 1969 a couple'a millionaire populist good ole
boys could still wave old glory down at the courthouse and have a smash hit
across the American heartland with a song extolling the virtues of one
illegal drug as compared to another. :)

Wolfgang
mah ****ry tisathee.......

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On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:36:24 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Kiyu" wrote in message
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Heard a radio interview with Haggard once and he said he & his co
writer didn't know squat about Muscogee when they they wrote the song
and had never been there. They saw the name & the sound of it just fit
in with the song so they used it.

Perhaps my favorite song of all time. It has always struck me as
heartwarming that as late as 1969 a couple'a millionaire populist good ole
boys could still wave old glory down at the courthouse and have a smash hit
across the American heartland with a song extolling the virtues of one
illegal drug as compared to another. :)

Wolfgang
mah ****ry tisathee.......



What are you, some kind of Bakuninist? ;^)

g.c.

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snakefiddler wrote:

couldn't agree with you more- thus *my* pursuance of an education in
Appalachian Studies ;-)

Now there's a "football major" for ya. Ranks right up there with basket
weaving and finger painting.

You go, girl, but be advised, you're pursuing a degree, not an education.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:36:24 -0600, "Wolfgang"

What are you, some kind of Bakuninist? ;^)

Um......I don't think so......****, I can't even spell that.

Wolfgang
who, it should not be necessary to point out, wouldn't join any movement
that would have him........um......hm...... :(

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
snakefiddler wrote:

couldn't agree with you more- thus *my* pursuance of an education in
Appalachian Studies ;-)

Now there's a "football major" for ya. Ranks right up there with basket
weaving and finger painting.

You go, girl, but be advised, you're pursuing a degree, not an education.

.....as Nisbet and Himmelfarb roll over in their graves. :(

Wolfgang

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Never heard of Gene Autry? You may be the only person on the planet who has
not heard "Rudolph the Red Nosed Raindeer". Not his best but he made enough
money with it to buy a big chunk of Los Angeles.

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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"B J Conner" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
One of Lefty Frizzel biggest hits was "If you got the money honey I got
the
time". I am sure you have heard that.
Have you heard of Hank Snow? "I've Been Everywhere, I'm Moving On, The
Golden Rocket etc",
Hank Williams- "Your Cheating Heart", "Jambalaya", "Cold Cold Heart",
"I
Saw The Light" etc. I have a lot the guys above as well as Tex Ritter
and
Hank Thompson , these guys defined country music as far as I'm
concerened.
They were recording great songs long before some of the disco singer
with
cowboy hats were kicking the slats out of their craddles.
Hank Thompson recorded "Oklahoma Hills" a song that is more of an anthem
than "Okie from Muskogee" is for Okies and Sooners, the best version
was
recorded by Gene Autry.



I have heard of and also heard some of them. Hank Snow of course, Tex
Ritter, Hank Williams, Johnny Russell, Hank Locklin, Jim Reeves, Wink
Martindale, and a host of others. Never heard (of) Hank Thompson, or Gene
Autry (Except as a film star. Was he "the singing cowboy"?), or Lefty
Frizzel, as far as I am aware.

Don´t know the song you mentioned either. I do like some of the Ladies,
most especially Patsy Cline ( Sp?), Tammy Wynette ( Sp), Lynn Anderson,
and
quite a few more, I have a few CD´s of these ( "Best Of´s, Collections,
etc), and quite a few old LP´s which I will probably never listen to
again.
They have been in a cupboard for the last fourteen years, since I moved
house last time. They were not used for quite a while before that either.
I
always meant to get them on to digital media, but never got around to
doing
it. I still have a record player, but don´t use it any more.

Indeed I like quite a large number. Don´t much like much of the modern
stuff I have heard. Don´t much like quite a bit of "modern" music either.
Most of the music I listen to, you will never have heard of, so it is
pointless mentioning it. Many of my CD´s were produced by small obscure
private labels, specialising in various types of folk music.

What are "Sooners"?

TL
MC

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"George Adams" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP
Mike, my comment wasn't intended as a dig regarding your knowledge of
American
music. According to a preceeding post, I didn't know it, but Jimmy Dean
actually did have a hand in writing "Okie From Muskogee".


SNIP

Oh I did not take it as such. My knowledge on the subject is patchy to say
the least. As RW said, I am probably way "behind the curve" on many things
as well. I was actually just guessing when I mentioned Dean, I was not sure
at all, but I seemed to remember his name in connection with the song.

TL
MC

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"B J Conner" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
Never heard of Gene Autry? You may be the only person on the planet who
has
not heard "Rudolph the Red Nosed Raindeer". Not his best but he made
enough
money with it to buy a big chunk of Los Angeles.



I would have guessed Jim Reeves as the author of that! :)

Do you know who wrote " I believe the South is gonna rise again"? I have a
digital recording of this with no other info, I just listened to it on the
way home in the car. Great song, and the lady is a great singer, Tanya
Tucker. Anybody know if she wrote it as well?

TL
MC

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Do you know who wrote " I believe the South is gonna rise again"? I have
a
digital recording of this with no other info, I just listened to it on the
way home in the car.

I believe Charley Daniels is who you are asking about, of the Charley
Daniels Band.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
snakefiddler wrote:

couldn't agree with you more- thus *my* pursuance of an education in
Appalachian Studies ;-)

Now there's a "football major" for ya. Ranks right up there with basket
weaving and finger painting.

You go, girl, but be advised, you're pursuing a degree, not an education.

--
Ken Fortenberry


Hey ya Forty, hadn't heard from ya in a while- thought maybe you didn't
love me anymore...

-Snakefiddler

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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snakefiddler wrote:

couldn't agree with you more- thus *my* pursuance of an education in
Appalachian Studies ;-)

Now there's a "football major" for ya. Ranks right up there with basket
weaving and finger painting.

You go, girl, but be advised, you're pursuing a degree, not an
education.

....as Nisbet and Himmelfarb roll over in their graves. :(

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
....as Nisbet and Himmelfarb roll over in their graves. :(

.....and what would kennedy say, or johnson or all the folks at the
appalachian regional commission, or cratais williams,
or henry david thoreau, or ronald eller,or henry shapiro- i could go on and
on.....

make no mistake ken, appalachian studies is about a whole lot more than
music and folklore- now i'm sure you are an intelligent enough man to know
that ;) -

Snakefiddler- (well, i'm pretty sure......)

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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:45:59 GMT, (Kiyu) wrote:

During our folk craze in the 50's fortunately the
English/Irish/Scottish roots of American folk music were acknowledged
and we have never lost sight of it. Following the origins, myths &
music from the hills of Virginia, North Carolina & Georgia is perhaps
one of the most delightful journeys into the settlement of America one
could have.


I suppose that you've seen 'Songcatcher.'


i've seen the songcatcher- once prior to embarking on my appalachian studies
EDUCATION, and again recently. the story is based on olive dame campbell's
travels through western north carolina in 1908, while on ballad collecting
project. The scenery is gorgeous, and some of the characters are very
likable, however, the character of lily penlyric, (who is a professor of
music, and is supposed to be ms. campbell) gets to be pretty annoying. It
gives an interesting portrayal of the mountain people she comes in contact
with, has great music in it with appearences by Taj mahal and Iris
DeMent, as well as Emmy Rossum, a virtual unknown with an incredible, raw
and honest voice.
the movie itself is only o.k., but worthwhile seeing. and aidan quinn ain't
hard on the eyes, lemmee tell ya.......
oh yea, it contains a good deal of interesting appalachian folklore.

Snakefiddler- does anyone besides me find the name penlyric just a little
*too* contrived for a music professor?

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snakefiddler wrote:

Snakefiddler- does anyone besides me find the name penlyric just a little
*too* contrived for a music professor?

Not me. But then, neither do I assume that Appalachian Studies amounts
to affirmative action for hillbillies. :-)

BTW, Iris Dement grew up in southern California. I like her work. My
favorites are Let the Mystery Be, and her protest song, Wasteland of the
Free.

I put her in the "whiny bitch" category of country music. I like that
genre. Laura Cantrell is one of my favorites.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote

I put her in the "whiny bitch" category of country music.

that assessment alone should place you near the top of any list of those
who lack appreciation of the measure of any artist, in any medium. and it's
not a personal thing. i would say that if jim roberts or jeffie, or...
well, it's just amazing that anyone could call iris dement a "whiny bitch".

wayno

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Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote


I put her in the "whiny bitch" category of country music.


that assessment alone should place you near the top of any list of those
who lack appreciation of the measure of any artist, in any medium. and it's
not a personal thing. i would say that if jim roberts or jeffie, or...
well, it's just amazing that anyone could call iris dement a "whiny bitch".

I like Iris Dement's work. She has this nasal, slightly off-key,
monotone style, much like Laura Cantrell's (whom I also like). Her
lyrics are thoughtful and tough. That's the genre I call "whiny bitch."
I like it. So sue me.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote

.. So sue me.

one of the first things a young lawyer learns is this: you can't get
blood from a turnip.

wayno (let me guess--alison krauss is a "whimpering" bitch--after all, they
are all bitches, aren't they?)

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Wayne Harrison wrote:

wayno (let me guess--alison krauss is a "whimpering" bitch--after all, they
are all bitches, aren't they?

No. Alison Krauss is an angel.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
snakefiddler wrote:

Snakefiddler- does anyone besides me find the name penlyric just a
little
*too* contrived for a music professor?

Not me. But then, neither do I assume that Appalachian Studies amounts
to affirmative action for hillbillies. :-)

i'm assuming you meant that tongue in cheek?

BTW, Iris Dement grew up in southern California. I like her work. My
favorites are Let the Mystery Be, and her protest song, Wasteland of the
Free.

I put her in the "whiny bitch" category of country music. I like that
genre. Laura Cantrell is one of my favorites.

whyya gotta call 'er a bitch? and lemmee tellya- there is no comparison
between the two-imho

Snakefiddler- or maybe not so humble

Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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snakefiddler wrote:

whyya gotta call 'er a bitch?

It's a hip-hop thing. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
.com...

"rw" wrote

I put her in the "whiny bitch" category of country music.

that assessment alone should place you near the top of any list of
those
who lack appreciation of the measure of any artist, in any medium. and
it's
not a personal thing. i would say that if jim roberts or jeffie, or...
well, it's just amazing that anyone could call iris dement a "whiny
bitch".

wayno



OUCH ;}

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"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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...does anyone besides me find the name penlyric just a little
*too* contrived for a music professor?

Sorta gives blunt instruments a bad name.

Wolfgang
who supposes he will pass on anything ever produced, written, directed,
acted, lit, or whatever by anyone with a family member, however remote, who
can be connected in any way, however circumstantially, with anything that
would rely on the name penlyric for anyone with a reputed connection to
anything vaguely literary.....or even literate.

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"rw" wrote in message
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snakefiddler wrote:

whyya gotta call 'er a bitch?

It's a hip-hop thing. :-)

Actually, it's a classic madonna-whore thing.

Wolfgang
who, in this day of instant access to imagination beggaring information, is
not quite sure what to make of someone who can't find the name of his own
pathology.

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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...does anyone besides me find the name penlyric just a little
*too* contrived for a music professor?

Sorta gives blunt instruments a bad name.

Wolfgang
who supposes he will pass on anything ever produced, written, directed,
acted, lit, or whatever by anyone with a family member, however remote,
who
can be connected in any way, however circumstantially, with anything that
would rely on the name penlyric for anyone with a reputed connection to
anything vaguely literary.....or even literate.



LOL
whew- you can catch your breath now- wolfgang ;)

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George Adams wrote:



Or Gid Tanner and the Skillet Lickers.

say what?? there simply can't be two of 'em!? i have a cd by "lavay
smith & her red hot skillet lickers", titled "one hour mama". excellent
music. any relation?

jeff

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Wayne Harrison wrote:

"rw" wrote

. So sue me.

one of the first things a young lawyer learns is this: you can't get
blood from a turnip.

wayno (let me guess--alison krauss is a "whimpering" bitch--after all, they
are all bitches, aren't they?)

ohgoddd...that's "hilarious". thanks for putting a smile on an otherwise
grim night. i'm currently in a thurber war zone...

but, iris' whine suits me just fine, and alison can whimper on my
shoulder anytime. still that oscar/cold mountain performance was a bit
wrenching, even for this fan.

jeff (desperately seeking the bloody turnip)

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"rw" wrote in message
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snakefiddler wrote:

whyya gotta call 'er a bitch?

It's a hip-hop thing. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

hey r dubya- i think you're confusing your genres.....

Snakefiddler

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"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
snakefiddler wrote:

whyya gotta call 'er a bitch?

It's a hip-hop thing. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

hey r dubya- i think you're confusing your genres.....

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think you misspelled "genders".

Wolfgang

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From: Jeff Miller

George Adams wrote:

Or Gid Tanner and the Skillet Lickers.

say what?? there simply can't be two of 'em!? i have a cd by "lavay
smith & her red hot skillet lickers", titled "one hour mama". excellent
music. any relation?

Doubtful, unless it's a *really* old CD. Gid and the boys were an old time
coutry band. Early performers on "The Grand Ole Opry".


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"snakefiddler" wrote in message
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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
snakefiddler wrote:

whyya gotta call 'er a bitch?

It's a hip-hop thing. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

hey r dubya- i think you're confusing your genres.....

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think you misspelled "genders".

Wolfgang



oops- my bad.... ;)

snake

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
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Do you know who wrote " I believe the South is gonna rise again"? I have
a
digital recording of this with no other info, I just listened to it on the
way home in the car.

I believe Charley Daniels is who you are asking about, of the Charley
Daniels Band.

"The South's Gonna Do It" is the one that Charlie Daniels did. Lyrics
at http://makeashorterlink.com/?O2A9110B7

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Hi,

I Believe The South Is Gonna Rise Again
Lyrics and Song by Tanya Tucker


Bill

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In article , hugh_jass_90211
says...
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 19:29:22 +0100, "Mike Connor"
wrote:

Presumably he sang it at least?

I've only heard the Merle Haggard and Grateful Dead versions, but he
probably did.

Well, he was #4 on google..... ;-)
--
Warren