Willi wrote:
Jeff wrote:

hell steve...2 weeks in Montana at the Slide Inn including airfare and
car rental (cost shared with Indian Joe)was less expensive. g



And I can spend the whole summer camping out in Colorado and not spend
what you did in Montana for a two week trip........ Seems meaningless to
me.


Willi



steve touted the trip as relatively inexpensive..."not including
airfare". i thought it sounded relatively expensive for a fishing "trip"
that requires airfare. my trip out to montana is more comparable to your
trip to alaska...relatively speaking...than to your camping in your home
state. i can "camp out" in nc and spend less too. my point was that the
trip to alaska "on the cheap" would be more expensive than the 2 weeks
in montana. i know it's not the same...but, if expense is gonna be "the"
(or "a") measuring stick, it has meaning.

jeff

Jeff Miller wrote:

steve touted the trip as relatively inexpensive..."not including
airfare".

I didn't "tout" anything, Jeff. "Tout" has a distinctly negative
connotation. Webster's definitions are 1. "to canvass for customers, 2.
to spy on racehorse trials or stable secrets for betting purposes, 3.
to solicit or peddle importunately. Other definitions a

- someone who buys tickets to an event in order to resell them at a
profit
- advertize in strongly positive terms; "This product was touted as a
revolutionary invention"
- someone who advertises for customers in an especially brazen way
- tipster: one who sells advice about gambling or speculation
(especially at the racetrack)
- boast: show off

I merely stated a fact in response to a question. The trip cost $1571
each plus airfare to Bethel. If no one in ROFF ever fishes the Kanektok
I'll be more than pleased, so please lay off the "touting" crap.

We chose to spend our money on the fly-in and the fly-out and renting
the rafts. We didn't spend it on guides and fancy lodge accomodations.
That choice paid off in a remarkably inexpensive trip, despite your
fond recollections of the Slide Inn.

Willi and I were fortunate that Chas and Andy were along, because they
knew how to target and fish for silvers and we didn't. Andy, in
particular (and with all due respect to Chas), is an incredibly good
salmon fisherman -- it's almost spooky. He can also cast a mile and
he's a fine young man. Chas must be proud.

i thought it sounded relatively expensive for a fishing "trip"
that requires airfare. my trip out to montana is more comparable to your
trip to alaska...relatively speaking...than to your camping in your home
state. i can "camp out" in nc and spend less too. my point was that the
trip to alaska "on the cheap" would be more expensive than the 2 weeks
in montana. i know it's not the same...but, if expense is gonna be "the"
(or "a") measuring stick, it has meaning.

I'm pretty sure I've fished in Montana and in the Rocky Mountain West a
lot more than you have, Jeff. Montana has nothing to compare to the
Kanektok float we did.

"rw" wrote:

I merely stated a fact in response to a question. The trip cost $1571
each plus airfare to Bethel.

That might be minus food, license, and a couple extras, but under $1800 for
sure, for 12 days, that's $150 per day.

If no one in ROFF ever fishes the Kanektok
I'll be more than pleased, so please lay off the "touting" crap.

Amen


We chose to spend our money on the fly-in and the fly-out and renting
the rafts. We didn't spend it on guides and fancy lodge accomodations.
That choice paid off in a remarkably inexpensive trip, despite your
fond recollections of the Slide Inn.

Consider that we saw 9 other fishermen total, and that we only saw someone else
fishing for a total of 30 minutes or so. There was absolutely no competition
for a place to fish, and total piece and quiet until the last 3 days when we
had 2 or 3 power boats go by each day. No place in the lower 48 has this kind
of quiet and fish unless it's a three day hike, and even then it's tough to
find.


Willi and I were fortunate that Chas and Andy were along, because they
knew how to target and fish for silvers and we didn't. Andy, in
particular (and with all due respect to Chas), is an incredibly good
salmon fisherman -- it's almost spooky. He can also cast a mile and
he's a fine young man. Chas must be proud.

Thanks Steve, as his "instructor", I'll accept this as the height of respect,
and you can bet I'm as proud as can be. And more recently as his "student",
I've learned a lot about nymphing and steelhead and salmon.


i thought it sounded relatively expensive for a fishing "trip"
that requires airfare. my trip out to montana is more comparable to your
trip to alaska...relatively speaking...than to your camping in your home
state. i can "camp out" in nc and spend less too. my point was that the
trip to alaska "on the cheap" would be more expensive than the 2 weeks
in montana. i know it's not the same...but, if expense is gonna be "the"
(or "a") measuring stick, it has meaning.

I'm pretty sure I've fished in Montana and in the Rocky Mountain West a
lot more than you have, Jeff. Montana has nothing to compare to the
Kanektok float we did.


Let me add a point about Alaska on the cheap. This trip was inexpensive
relative to the fancy lodges, but not "on the cheap." "On the cheap" means no
float planes. There is some great fishing to be had up there within reasonable
car range of Anchorage, Juneau, Haines, Sitka, Petersburg, and Ketchican. If
you want to rent a car and drive to fish, you can fish Alaska for about the
same cost as the clave in Montana, and you'll find more and bigger fish, and
smaller crowds.


Chas
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Willi wrote:

Steve summed that up, but a big difference between Alaska and Colorado,
at least in the summer, is that day and night temps in Alaska vary very
little. Although it felt cold during the day when the blowing rain was
happening, at night in the tent, it was warm. I don't think the day and
nightime temps varied by more than 10 degrees. I disagree with Steve
about the temps getting to freezing at night. I think the upper thirties
was as cold as it got.

Actually, one night there was ice on the tent when I went out to relieve
myself, but that night was colder than the rest. By 6:00 when we got up, the
fog had settled in and the temperature was above 40 again.


For me the blowing rain felt VERY cold. The prevailing wind was directly
upstream and was strong enough at times to blow the raft upstream
against the current. I'm not used to rain. Give me 20 degrees and a
heavy snow over the 40/50 degree weather with cold rain driving into
your face as you're floating down the river. Based on advice from Chas
(who knows something about rain)I bought some quality raingear which I'm
VERY glad I did. That combined with fleece and wool made things
tolerable even during the worst conditions.

It would be easy to say this was just standard winter weather in Washington,
but it wouldn't be true. My hands were colder than Willi's, and that wind was
really mean.

Chas
remove fly fish to e mail directly

rw wrote:
Jeff Miller wrote:

steve touted the trip as relatively inexpensive..."not including
airfare".


I didn't "tout" anything, Jeff. "Tout" has a distinctly negative
connotation. Webster's definitions are 1. "to canvass for customers, 2.
to spy on racehorse trials or stable secrets for betting purposes, 3.
to solicit or peddle importunately. Other definitions a

- someone who buys tickets to an event in order to resell them at a
profit
- advertize in strongly positive terms; "This product was touted as a
revolutionary invention"
- someone who advertises for customers in an especially brazen way
- tipster: one who sells advice about gambling or speculation
(especially at the racetrack)
- boast: show off

I merely stated a fact in response to a question. The trip cost $1571
each plus airfare to Bethel. If no one in ROFF ever fishes the Kanektok
I'll be more than pleased, so please lay off the "touting" crap.

We chose to spend our money on the fly-in and the fly-out and renting
the rafts. We didn't spend it on guides and fancy lodge accomodations.
That choice paid off in a remarkably inexpensive trip, despite your
fond recollections of the Slide Inn.

Willi and I were fortunate that Chas and Andy were along, because they
knew how to target and fish for silvers and we didn't. Andy, in
particular (and with all due respect to Chas), is an incredibly good
salmon fisherman -- it's almost spooky. He can also cast a mile and
he's a fine young man. Chas must be proud.


i thought it sounded relatively expensive for a fishing "trip"
that requires airfare. my trip out to montana is more comparable to your
trip to alaska...relatively speaking...than to your camping in your home
state. i can "camp out" in nc and spend less too. my point was that the
trip to alaska "on the cheap" would be more expensive than the 2 weeks
in montana. i know it's not the same...but, if expense is gonna be "the"
(or "a") measuring stick, it has meaning.


I'm pretty sure I've fished in Montana and in the Rocky Mountain West a
lot more than you have, Jeff. Montana has nothing to compare to the
Kanektok float we did.


"tout" was evidently a bad word choice. sorry it was offensive as i
didn't mean it to be.

i've no doubt alaska would be the superior fishing trip, or that your
experience and knowledge of fishing such places out west (hell, in the
world) far exceeds mine. but, i wasn't trying to compare anything other
than the entry fee. it appears i'll pay more to fly out to alaska for an
unguided, but supplies provided, fishing adventure than for the more
comfortable and satisfying montana experience i've had venturing out
from the slide inn.

i'm still taking small steps in my western fishing adventures, and i'm
clearly an ingenue at the camping/rafting stuff, but i hope to see some
of the alaska waters one day.

jeff

After crashing with 'tout', it was pretty ballsy to use 'ingenue' in
the same post.
LOL You might want to look it up.

--riverman

riverman wrote:
After crashing with 'tout', it was pretty ballsy to use 'ingenue' in
the same post.
LOL You might want to look it up.

--riverman


:)

riverman wrote:

After crashing with 'tout', it was pretty ballsy to use 'ingenue' in
the same post.
LOL You might want to look it up.

--riverman

(forgot to include this response with my smiley... imprecision abounds!)

granted, this seems silly, but here's my explanation of the whole
thing...all without any intention of stepping on toes, ruffling
feathers, or causing any ill will or need for response...(which, of
course, is damned impossible here)

steve's initial post did seem to mention in (as perceived perhaps only
by me, corectly or incorrectly) a strong and prominant way how
inexpensive his alaska trip was. as many posts of such adventures, it
did seem to have a tone of recommendation to it for this reading
audience... for which i am grateful because i value and trust most all
of steve's suggestions and comments about fishing.

my use of "tout" was imprecise to be sure, but well within the normal
conversational convention in my area. i meant no negative inference to
be taken from it, and for any that was, i have apologized.

As i recall, after steve's initial "inexpensive" post, someone asked
for the particulars on the dollar figures, which Steve and Chas later
described. I have no doubt their trip was inexpensive in relative terms
as alaskan adventures go...and, knowing them, i am also certain it was
much better and more interesting than any guided trip most other folks
would be considering.

finally, alas, i'm very familiar with the meaning of "ingenue". my good
friend pj throws it at me frequently (along with something about feedin
strawberries to a jackass). anyway, in the context of manly roff banter,
it seemed appropriate to me. and, it is probably as descriptive of my
camping and rafting experience and skill as any other word. g glad
you enjoyed it... figured steve would as well.

jeff (and, uh, you've no idea how accurately it describes my rafting or
camping experience, now do you?)

jeff (and, uh, you've no idea how accurately it describes my rafting or
camping experience, now do you?)

Damn, I can hear the banjos all the way up here.

--
Frank Reid
Euthanize to respond

:)

Frank Reid wrote:

jeff (and, uh, you've no idea how accurately it describes my rafting or
camping experience, now do you?)


Damn, I can hear the banjos all the way up here.